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2010-08-28 12:04:09 PM  

CrispFlows: and he was the governor of Texas


I didn't vote for him!
 
2010-08-28 12:04:53 PM  
Bashy35

I like you too. You're adorable.
 
2010-08-28 12:09:11 PM  
Some states have laws that require a spouse to be financially responsible for their spouse's "necessaries". As I understand it, however, the provider/supplier of the necessaries has to obtain a judgment against the spouse before they can collect.

But under this administration, it's understandable that people and institutions assume the Constitution doesn't apply any more.

and Honest Bender:

Why not really fark 'em by making them buy your excess energy? 'Course you'd have to be on the grid to do so.
 
2010-08-28 12:09:29 PM  
Yes, it's illegal.

I'd say sue them, but that's pretty expensive.

Send a letter to... someone. They'll get on it.
 
2010-08-28 12:09:33 PM  

Rockdrummer: Well, the almighty leader set the precedent by using my tax money to bail out the banks of people who knowingly lent got into mortgages theyborrowers could not afford.


FTFY
 
2010-08-28 12:10:31 PM  

Theaetetus: Headline: "Since your buddy won't pay his bill..."
Article: "Since your ex-husband won't pay his bill that he accrued at the time you were married and both liable..."

Hearne, who said her monthly bills always come in at less than $100, received a recent bill for $680. After checking, Hearne said the utility claimed it was for a bill left unpaid by her ex-husband. Hearne said the couple divorced in 2002 and that he now lives in another state, but added the utility would not remove the charge.


Elsewhere in TFA:

Tuesday, Sadie Hearne spoke about one of the strategies being used by the utility, in which local residents are having charges added to their bills that their relatives or other close acquaintances have skipped out on.
 
2010-08-28 12:11:33 PM  

T-Luv: hockeychick: Bashy35: Well, considering we already pay for free-housing for Mexicans and low-income Blacks, this is nothing new.

-Bashy35

I'd bite but then I read your profile.

Yeah, you could tell just by his post that he was a troll

-T-Luv


Still got a ignore from me
 
2010-08-28 12:15:21 PM  

silent sunday: There was a brother and sister ordered to pay for the court ordered therapy of their father upon his release from prison. He was in prison for molesting his two children.


There is a guy in Texas that stopped paying child support when he discovered the child was not his and his wife had been 'seeing other people'. The court made him keep paying.
 
2010-08-28 12:17:04 PM  

Karac: Theaetetus: Headline: "Since your buddy won't pay his bill..."
Article: "Since your ex-husband won't pay his bill that he accrued at the time you were married and both liable..."

Hearne, who said her monthly bills always come in at less than $100, received a recent bill for $680. After checking, Hearne said the utility claimed it was for a bill left unpaid by her ex-husband. Hearne said the couple divorced in 2002 and that he now lives in another state, but added the utility would not remove the charge.

The article, including the part you quoted, didn't say if they were married, both liable, or even living at the same address or state when the bill ex didn't pay the bill. Sine it does say they divorced 9 years ago, I kind of think they power company found an old bill from when they were married and just put her name on the new one.


It doesn't say they weren't. It also doesn't say if she neglected to have her name removed from the account after the divorced. If either of those is the case, she owes the money. People often are not aware that your divorce agreement is non-binding on creditors you shared prior to the divorce as they were not party to the agreement.

Honestly, we don't know enough from just this poorly written article to determine if there really is a problem or if this is legal.
 
2010-08-28 12:17:24 PM  
Have a pretty irresponsible sister. She lives 1,500 miles away- different last names. I get calls from her bill collectors, looking for information and money. We were roommates 23 YEARS ago- WTF?

Finally found out she was putting me down in that section for 'relative not living with you' on credit aps. Gee farking thanks!

Don't have any debts myself but I found out that bill collectors will not give up- they will chase your cold ass into the grave. Article doesn't suprise me.
 
2010-08-28 12:18:18 PM  

HempHead: silent sunday: There was a brother and sister ordered to pay for the court ordered therapy of their father upon his release from prison. He was in prison for molesting his two children.

There is a guy in Texas that stopped paying child support when he discovered the child was not his and his wife had been 'seeing other people'. The court made him keep paying.


One time I was in a park and a scoop of ice cream fell off the cone I was eating it from. The ice cream salesman wouldn't give me another one.
 
2010-08-28 12:20:17 PM  

sk8r: Have a pretty irresponsible sister. She lives 1,500 miles away- different last names. I get calls from her bill collectors, looking for information and money. We were roommates 23 YEARS ago- WTF?

Finally found out she was putting me down in that section for 'relative not living with you' on credit aps. Gee farking thanks!

Don't have any debts myself but I found out that bill collectors will not give up- they will chase your cold ass into the grave. Article doesn't suprise me.


When they call, tell them you do not live with her and are have no fiduciary obligations. Also tell them that you will consider any further attempts to collect as harassment and will be recording the phone calls as evidence in the event you need to file a lawsuit. You'll see a big decrease in the number of calls.
 
2010-08-28 12:20:51 PM  
All these posts and no mention of City Attorney Brent Money?

This guy missed his calling, he should be selling get rich quick video as Dr. Money
 
2010-08-28 12:22:19 PM  
I don't see the issue here, at least with the example given. Her ex-husband, whom I assume she was living with prior to their divorce, owed a ton of money. If the bill comes from the time that they were living together, she shouldn't be exempt from paying just because he left town. They together owed the money, whether the bill was in his name or theirs jointly.
 
2010-08-28 12:24:08 PM  

Shaggy_C: I don't see the issue here, at least with the example given. Her ex-husband, whom I assume she was living with prior to their divorce, owed a ton of money. If the bill comes from the time that they were living together, she shouldn't be exempt from paying just because he left town. They together owed the money, whether the bill was in his name or theirs jointly.


Not if it was just in his name. She never entered into a fiduciary relationship with the rental company. You can't just unilaterally decide to enter into a fiduciary relationship with someone.
 
2010-08-28 12:24:43 PM  

T-Luv: Shaggy_C: I don't see the issue here, at least with the example given. Her ex-husband, whom I assume she was living with prior to their divorce, owed a ton of money. If the bill comes from the time that they were living together, she shouldn't be exempt from paying just because he left town. They together owed the money, whether the bill was in his name or theirs jointly.

Not if it was just in his name. She never entered into a fiduciary relationship with the rental company. You can't just unilaterally decide to enter into a fiduciary relationship with someone.


Whoops, electric company, not rental company.
 
2010-08-28 12:24:58 PM  

T-Luv: sk8r: Have a pretty irresponsible sister. She lives 1,500 miles away- different last names. I get calls from her bill collectors, looking for information and money. We were roommates 23 YEARS ago- WTF?

Finally found out she was putting me down in that section for 'relative not living with you' on credit aps. Gee farking thanks!

Don't have any debts myself but I found out that bill collectors will not give up- they will chase your cold ass into the grave. Article doesn't suprise me.

When they call, tell them you do not live with her and are have no fiduciary obligations. Also tell them that you will consider any further attempts to collect as harassment and will be recording the phone calls as evidence in the event you need to file a lawsuit. You'll see a big decrease in the number of calls.


That is way too grown up. I just tell them I've never heard of her or pretend I don't speak English. :-)

Good advice- I'll take it. Wish she would get her act together- family events are getting awkward.
 
2010-08-28 12:25:41 PM  
T-Luv:
One time I was in a park and a scoop of ice cream fell off the cone I was eating it from. The ice cream salesman wouldn't give me another one.

wddvds.com

/you're welcome
 
2010-08-28 12:26:33 PM  
You know who else used Sippenhaftung?
 
2010-08-28 12:26:39 PM  

Julie Cochrane: You don't pay it until after they turn your power off. That's when you pay the lawyer you consulted to open a file on the case.

Then when you sue the bastards, they can't say you "admitted" you owed the debt. The lawyer has documented that you only paid them because they coerced you.

blah blah blah...pseudo legal BS


Meanwhile, you have no electricity! How long are you prepared to do that?
 
2010-08-28 12:27:35 PM  

T-Luv: sk8r: Have a pretty irresponsible sister. She lives 1,500 miles away- different last names. I get calls from her bill collectors, looking for information and money. We were roommates 23 YEARS ago- WTF?

Finally found out she was putting me down in that section for 'relative not living with you' on credit aps. Gee farking thanks!

Don't have any debts myself but I found out that bill collectors will not give up- they will chase your cold ass into the grave. Article doesn't suprise me.

When they call, tell them you do not live with her and are have no fiduciary obligations. Also tell them that you will consider any further attempts to collect as harassment and will be recording the phone calls as evidence in the event you need to file a lawsuit. You'll see a big decrease in the number of calls.


This^^
 
2010-08-28 12:32:22 PM  

Aulus: About thirty years ago, Iowa Power in Des Moines was found to have been actually changing the amounts on peoples checks. One person had sent in a partial payment and the billing clerk was told by a supervisor to change the amount on the check to the full amount. Had I done something like that, I'd have ended up in jail. Iowa Power, the supervisor and the clerk didn't even get a slap on the wrist.


I recall them basing your electric payments on the last previous tenant's paying habits. Basically your deposit was based on how much the previous tenant's owed. No pay it off, no power. I turned down a house with a 600 dollar electricity deposit. The rent was only 300.
 
2010-08-28 12:32:33 PM  

Karac: CrispFlows: He owns a ranch on Texas and he was the governor of Texas. If anything, he's far more familiar with the politics of Texas than that of Connecticut.

Stil a damn yankee carpetbagger.


Same thing can be said for Hillary "carpetbagger" Clinton, who moved from Arkansas to DC to New York to run for Senator 6 months later.
 
2010-08-28 12:33:57 PM  

T-Luv: Not if it was just in his name. She never entered into a fiduciary relationship with the rental company. You can't just unilaterally decide to enter into a fiduciary relationship with someone.


It would be an interesting case, for sure. Let's take the example of a rental unit. You move in, knowing full well that you are responsible for paying the utilities. Without calling the company or setting up a connection, you plug in your TV to the cable, and voila, you can watch TV. Let's say you get away with this for 2-3 months. Then, one day, you find that the connection no longer works.

When you call the cable company to hook up an official connection, they inform you that the 3 months of unpaid service at the address must be paid before you can have TV reconnected.

This would seem to be a 'unilateral agreement', no?
 
2010-08-28 12:40:51 PM  

Shaggy_C: T-Luv: Not if it was just in his name. She never entered into a fiduciary relationship with the rental company. You can't just unilaterally decide to enter into a fiduciary relationship with someone.

It would be an interesting case, for sure. Let's take the example of a rental unit. You move in, knowing full well that you are responsible for paying the utilities. Without calling the company or setting up a connection, you plug in your TV to the cable, and voila, you can watch TV. Let's say you get away with this for 2-3 months. Then, one day, you find that the connection no longer works.

When you call the cable company to hook up an official connection, they inform you that the 3 months of unpaid service at the address must be paid before you can have TV reconnected.

This would seem to be a 'unilateral agreement', no?


If you consent, and pay the bill, then yes. However, you could just tell the cable company that you refuse to pay, then they're SOL. You didn't sign any contract. I would argue that they gave you a gift. You didn't tell them to connect the cable, and there was no agreement. If they connected the cable for someone who wasn't giving them any money, that's on them. The standard procedure in the cable business is to have a contract.
 
2010-08-28 12:41:02 PM  
In the case of the lady with the ex-husband who lives in another state, doesn't that constitute federal wire fraud? Technically there is an inter-state dimension to the issue.
 
2010-08-28 12:47:23 PM  
I know a woman who had to pay 800 back on her ex's electric bill and they hadn't been married in 5 years. In fact, she was remarried but it was either that or she had her utitlities shut off. Utilities can pretty much do anything they want if you don't have the money to pay for a lawyer which would end up costing you more anyway.

Farking lawyers and utitlities.
 
2010-08-28 12:49:39 PM  

T-Luv: If you consent, and pay the bill, then yes. However, you could just tell the cable company that you refuse to pay, then they're SOL. You didn't sign any contract. I would argue that they gave you a gift. You didn't tell them to connect the cable, and there was no agreement.


I suppose, on the opposite end, they could continue to deny you service; so while they're SOL for the 3 months, you're stuck without TV for the rest of the year that you live there.
 
2010-08-28 12:49:56 PM  

Julie Cochrane: An agency cannot make it legal for someone else to steal from you. It's unconstitutional.


No, it's just illegal. Virtually nothing that's illegal is unconstitutional. Raping babies is fine by the Constitution; it's just that we have laws against it.

Pet peeve. I know that wasn't your point; it's just that otherwise you get a lot of this or this.
 
2010-08-28 12:49:56 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: I know a woman who had to pay 800 back on her ex's electric bill and they hadn't been married in 5 years. In fact, she was remarried but it was either that or she had her utitlities shut off. Utilities can pretty much do anything they want if you don't have the money to pay for a lawyer which would end up costing you more anyway.

Farking lawyers and utitlities.


She could always go after the husband in small claims court. You don't have to have a lawyer for that. And there's always Judge Judy. She doesn't take shiat from anybody.
 
2010-08-28 12:50:17 PM  
A relative had their checks stolen out of the mailbox. When the collections agencies started calling my house, I told them to contact the local police department. When they continued to ask me for her contact information, I refused to give it to them, and they insinuated that I knew the checks "hadn't really been stolen." So I told the woman I personally witnessed the police report, and if she called my house again she'd be prosecuted for harrassment and slander. "What's your full legal name again?"

Click. Never heard from that biatch again.
 
2010-08-28 12:54:09 PM  

Shaggy_C: T-Luv: If you consent, and pay the bill, then yes. However, you could just tell the cable company that you refuse to pay, then they're SOL. You didn't sign any contract. I would argue that they gave you a gift. You didn't tell them to connect the cable, and there was no agreement.

I suppose, on the opposite end, they could continue to deny you service; so while they're SOL for the 3 months, you're stuck without TV for the rest of the year that you live there.


But you still have Hulu, torrents, netflix, and other various web outlets to watch TV. And there's always negotiating. You could talk to a manager with the company and explain the situation and tell him you are under no obligation to pay anything, so if they want to be stubborn, they can walk away with nothing. They may be more willing to negotiate if they see money walking away from them.
 
2010-08-28 01:02:47 PM  

chestylaruegal: Baker_Street_Irregular: Recently divorced and the ex decided...

My ex closed our...


You two sound fat. Your husbands left you for no doubt good reasons, and here you are on a guy-oriented forum fishing for sympathy after you weren't smart enough to immediately set up your own banking and utility accounts after splitting the sheets.

How's it going so far?
 
2010-08-28 01:07:08 PM  
How do you like your free market capitalism now ... people can choose their electric companies? Right? Oh wait ... guess not.
 
2010-08-28 01:09:21 PM  
Be interesting to write a letter to the creditor an ask they repeat every allegation in a return letter. Suppose you could add that harassment thing too.

There is something about a postage stamp that scares the shiat out of corporations.
 
2010-08-28 01:13:11 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: chestylaruegal: Baker_Street_Irregular: Recently divorced and the ex decided...

My ex closed our...

You two sound fat. Your husbands left you for no doubt good reasons, and here you are on a guy-oriented forum fishing for sympathy after you weren't smart enough to immediately set up your own banking and utility accounts after splitting the sheets.

How's it going so far?


Okay I'll bite. I left my husband, I know I was a horrible wife demanding that he eat at least twice a day, go to work, and hang out with his guy friends instead of sleeping all day and trolling forums all night. I had agreed to pay the utilities for the apartment he was staying in out of our joint account. He closed the account without telling me. I did set up my own banking and utilities for MY place when I left, I didn't care about his situation. He broke the deal, I turned off the internet that day. Sounds fair to me.
 
2010-08-28 01:16:54 PM  
Mayor Tom Oliver said the persons receiving the giant bills should at least be allowed a payment plan.

Corruption and politics are so obvious, I don't know why more of these assholes don't get lynched.
 
2010-08-28 01:30:22 PM  

pippi longstocking: Mayor Tom Oliver said the persons receiving the giant bills should at least be allowed a payment plan.

Corruption and politics are so obvious, I don't know why more of these assholes don't get lynched.


Because lynchings are more commonly prosecuted than corruption.
 
2010-08-28 01:35:25 PM  
Came for this...

www.playbill.com

Leaving disappointed.

/She would be too.
 
2010-08-28 01:37:42 PM  

Theaetetus: Headline: "Since your buddy won't pay his bill..."
Article: "Since your ex-husband won't pay his bill that he accrued at the time you were married and both liable..."

Hearne, who said her monthly bills always come in at less than $100, received a recent bill for $680. After checking, Hearne said the utility claimed it was for a bill left unpaid by her ex-husband. Hearne said the couple divorced in 2002 and that he now lives in another state, but added the utility would not remove the charge.


Nope.. don't see where it said that the charges were pre-2002.. you are making an assumption here.

However, you are correct.. big difference between a neighbor or a friend and a spouse.
 
2010-08-28 01:41:22 PM  

T-Luv: Bigdogdaddy: I know a woman who had to pay 800 back on her ex's electric bill and they hadn't been married in 5 years. In fact, she was remarried but it was either that or she had her utitlities shut off. Utilities can pretty much do anything they want if you don't have the money to pay for a lawyer which would end up costing you more anyway.

Farking lawyers and utitlities.

She could always go after the husband in small claims court. You don't have to have a lawyer for that. And there's always Judge Judy. She doesn't take shiat from anybody.


A judgement against a drunk who doesn't work and lives in a dinky trailer on his mom's farm wouldn't be worth much unfortunately.
 
2010-08-28 01:41:33 PM  

Obamawhargarbl

 
2010-08-28 01:44:54 PM  

Karac: CrispFlows: He owns a ranch on Texas and he was the governor of Texas. If anything, he's far more familiar with the politics of Texas than that of Connecticut.

Stil a damn yankee carpetbagger.


That doesn't matter. Texas is one of the states that has serious problems. Look at the article, it's referring to one of the towns in Texas, a energy company that operates in Texas.
 
2010-08-28 01:45:39 PM  

cretinbob: Obamawhargarbl


How... original.

/ How... derivative.
 
2010-08-28 01:48:17 PM  
A ways back I lived in a townhouse with 4 other guys and we put the electric bill in the name of one of them. He and his buddy who shared a room never paid the bill, just used our money for food and computer games. When the power got shut off we kicked them out and tried to set up a new account in one of our names. The power company would not re-establish service until we paid the old bill...didn't matter that the deadbeat didn't live there anymore. We finally convinced the landlord to give us the money out of their security deposit...took some legal wrangling.
 
2010-08-28 01:59:28 PM  

Shaggy_C: T-Luv: you're stuck lucky enough to live without a TV.


FTFY

Kill your TV
 
2010-08-28 02:06:05 PM  

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: dumpstertize: BGates: That can't be legal.

I don't think so either.

Why not? It's exactly the same way federal/state/local governments operate all the time.

/they've just gotten better at it so you don't notice +50% of your money is taken by them

//frog in boiling water and stuff


Another moron who doesn't actually compute the amount of taxes they pay, then makes up a number. Surprise.
 
2010-08-28 02:07:21 PM  
The apartment/house I live at had the electric cutoff when I came to look at it.
The previous guy hadn't moved all his stuff out yet and was living with his girlfriend. He had a past balance of $3000.00. Which was why the electricity was out. And why he was at his girlfriends. Don't ask me how he got that high of an unpaid balance. If I'm a week late they're here to cut me off.
But the place was real nice so I decided to take it. The electric company at the new place was the same as my old. So I called and told them I was moving and wanted end current service and start new service. They said the place was in a "forced collection" status. Meaning they wouldn't turn the electric back on until all back monies were collected. It didn't matter to them that I had nothing to do with previous issues. They even said that I could be asking for service for the previous tenant since there was no real way to verify he wouldn't be living here.
The landlord had to cough up the money before they would close the old account. And start new service for me.
 
2010-08-28 02:08:59 PM  
That's the sort of idiocy that should get you shut down. And fark the mayor that said people should be allowed a payment plan, he was probably in the meeting where they decided to do this.
 
2010-08-28 02:15:40 PM  
Sounds like a job for Spiderman!
 
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