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(My Fox DC)   A tourist snapping photos of a Iranian sunrise is jailed and subjected to "white torture,", which, I don't know for sure, but I think involves brunch and Steely Dan music   (myfoxdc.com) divider line 212
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2010-08-27 10:58:53 AM
And Murdoch's war drums beat.
 
2010-08-27 10:58:55 AM
We should call this guy "Deacon Blue."
 
2010-08-27 10:59:27 AM
NightOwl2255:
You need to try a nice Corinthian leather couch!


i'd rather sit on one made out of the chassis. or ricardo montalban.
not tattoo. too small.
 
2010-08-27 10:59:42 AM
Barricaded Gunman: lo quilty: It's such a beautiful country. It makes me sad to think that it's been overrun with religious zelots.

Huh. That reminds me of someplace else, too.


Arizona?
 
2010-08-27 10:59:56 AM
lo quilty: I remember one trip to Iran we took. This was 10 or so years ago, so I was still in high school. The mountains were so beautiful.

It's such a beautiful country. It makes me sad to think that it's been overrun with religious zelots.




I often think the same thing about the US.
 
2010-08-27 11:00:29 AM
Well, Iran IS in Aja.
 
2010-08-27 11:01:52 AM
Eminem and Red Bull?
 
2010-08-27 11:02:08 AM
He's lucky he wasn't a Swarthy Asiatic reporter in Iraq or a cook in Afghanistan. The Americans would have shown him what REAL torture is like.
 
2010-08-27 11:02:40 AM
MikeMc: 'white torture'

Mayoboarding?


When my husband takes a week vacation time and I have to listen to car races on the TV at 90 decibels while watching him sit in the lounge chair with his feet up eating snack food all day?
 
2010-08-27 11:02:57 AM
Steely Dan? I bet the police are gathering up his tears.


/meh, close enough.
 
2010-08-27 11:03:07 AM
simian04: Todays lesson: Don't go to countrys that are full of angry, paranoid, assholes.

That's right, so all of you foreigners stay the hell out of America if you know what's good for you!

/got nothin'
 
2010-08-27 11:03:46 AM
White Light/White Heat? Lou Reed is not amused.
 
2010-08-27 11:04:12 AM
simian04: Todays lesson: Don't go to countrys that are full of angry, paranoid, assholes.

This is why I haven't been to the US in years.
 
2010-08-27 11:04:55 AM
Cache: A man was arrested in San Antonio a while back for taking pictures of cheerleaders at a football game. The DA admitted that the man had no criminal history and that all of his photos were G rated, but he was still convicted under our "Improper Photography" law.

Iran... Conservative America... not so different.


Wow. Just wow. I can't even imagine how easy the cops and the DA could abuse this law.

Definition of Improper Photography or Visual Recording - Texas Penal Code Section 21.15

§ 21.15. IMPROPER PHOTOGRAPHY OR VISUAL RECORDING.

a) In this section, "promote" has the meaning assigned by Section 43.21.

b) A person commits an offense if the person:

(1) photographs or by videotape or other electronic means visually records another:

(A) without the other person's consent; and

(B) with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person; or

(2) knowing the character and content of the photograph or recording, promotes a photograph or visual recording described by Subdivision (1).

c) An offense under this section is a state jail felony.

d) If conduct that constitutes an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under any other law, the actor may be prosecuted under this section or the other law.
 
2010-08-27 11:05:18 AM
'white torture'

It would give all new meaning to the Baath party. I wonder if it was Allahs' or Ahmederdinnerjackets' preference for sunrises that caused the imprisonment.
 
2010-08-27 11:05:25 AM
Cue the Fox News bashing in 3...2...
 
2010-08-27 11:06:00 AM
There are some places that you just shouldn't visit. Some people have the idea that the world is a big amusement park. These are the people who don't take any water or emergency supplies on hikes.

The reason why there are so many different countries in the world is that there are so many different ideas of how things should be. So instead of just assuming that every country is the same, and that you can be as freewheeling in Iran as you can in Great Britain, do some research. Check out the laws of the country you are planning to visit. Check out its reputation. That doesn't mean you shouldn't go to someplace like Iran. It just means that you need to be informed if you do, instead of waltzing in like an ignorant jackass.

That's great that you love all cultures and are completely free of prejudices. But that doesn't mean that all cultures like you.
 
2010-08-27 11:06:04 AM
misanthropologist: Steely Dan? I bet the police are gathering up his tears.


/meh, close enough.


Jesus, it's even worse than I thought.
white torture (new window)
 
2010-08-27 11:06:18 AM
Honestly, visiting countries with questionable or corrupt police and judicial systems is taking a big risk. I ended up in jail overnight in Mexico because of jaywalking and refusing to then bribe the cop. Most people really don't know how fast things can go bad in most of Latin America or Africa and of course Middle East. In Iran a trial with death penalty is often conducted over just one day with only a couple hours of access to a lawyer prior -- and that is their official system! Anyway, there are lots of exotic places to go where the rule of law is more what you'd expect, so please go to such places instead.
 
2010-08-27 11:07:09 AM
This guy really, really needs a better travel agent. Could have gone somewhere Disney, or the beach, maybe a fishing trip....endless possibilities to avoid dictatorships really.
 
2010-08-27 11:08:27 AM
lajimi: Tourist? In Iran?

You sound like a fat American.

Go fondle Goofy at Disneyworld.
 
2010-08-27 11:09:07 AM
Tissot: The daily thread where I say that we need to blow Iran off the face of the planet.

Oh, go take pictures of your local federal building and see how far you get.
/all the way to Cuba.
 
2010-08-27 11:10:46 AM
jabelar: I ended up in jail overnight in Mexico because of jaywalking and refusing to then bribe the cop.

Just bribe them. $50 to get out of Mexican jail is the best $50 you'll ever spend.
 
2010-08-27 11:10:52 AM
jabelar: Honestly, visiting countries with questionable or corrupt police and judicial systems is taking a big risk

And take pictures of the cops when they go after someone taking pictures of teh local federal building.
/Glass houses
//Big stones.
 
2010-08-27 11:11:11 AM
Bartleby the Scrivener: My own particular brand of Hell would be having to listen to Owner of a Lonely Heart on a neverending loop while wearing damp socks and sitting on a leather couch.

I like all those things. Well, damp socks I could take or leave.

I guess my hell would be watching Babs movies/perfomances/singing while being fed shellfish in a sauna.
 
2010-08-27 11:11:21 AM
NightOwl2255: Cache: A man was arrested in San Antonio a while back for taking pictures of cheerleaders at a football game. The DA admitted that the man had no criminal history and that all of his photos were G rated, but he was still convicted under our "Improper Photography" law.

Iran... Conservative America... not so different.

Wow. Just wow. I can't even imagine how easy the cops and the DA could abuse this law.


Bad comparison. IF this is true, I bet he didn't spend more than 5 hours in jail. Plus - he must have been taking pictures of their crotches and such.
 
2010-08-27 11:13:10 AM
vudukungfu: Tissot: The daily thread where I say that we need to blow Iran off the face of the planet.

Oh, go take pictures of your local federal building and see how far you get.
/all the way to Cuba.


The pictures of the buildings were from Iraq the article says. I know they are stupid over there, but they are not that stupid. So they, of course, were keeping him for no reason.
 
2010-08-27 11:15:43 AM
Jello salad, and a soundtrack that consists of the greatest hits of Barry Manilow, Neil Sedaka, and Tony Orlando. With "Delta Dawn" thrown in for good measure.
 
2010-08-27 11:17:51 AM
Banana Republic ran out of khakis?
 
2010-08-27 11:18:06 AM
vudukungfu: Oh, go take pictures of your local federal building and see how far you get.
/all the way to Cuba.


Just out of curiosity, how many people have been detained at Guantanamo Bay for taking pictures of buildings and nothing more?
 
2010-08-27 11:18:38 AM
Justin Bieber

Just sayin'
 
2010-08-27 11:19:46 AM
I would never set foot in the middle east.

I'm sure by day two, I would be missing my head.
 
2010-08-27 11:19:47 AM
NightOwl2255: Cache: A man was arrested in San Antonio a while back for taking pictures of cheerleaders at a football game. The DA admitted that the man had no criminal history and that all of his photos were G rated, but he was still convicted under our "Improper Photography" law.

Iran... Conservative America... not so different.

Wow. Just wow. I can't even imagine how easy the cops and the DA could abuse this law.

Definition of Improper Photography or Visual Recording - Texas Penal Code Section 21.15

§ 21.15. IMPROPER PHOTOGRAPHY OR VISUAL RECORDING.

a) In this section, "promote" has the meaning assigned by Section 43.21.

b) A person commits an offense if the person:

(1) photographs or by videotape or other electronic means visually records another:

(A) without the other person's consent; and

(B) with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person; or

(2) knowing the character and content of the photograph or recording, promotes a photograph or visual recording described by Subdivision (1).

c) An offense under this section is a state jail felony.

d) If conduct that constitutes an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under any other law, the actor may be prosecuted under this section or the other law.


I see Texas still can't pass a law without abusing it. That law was writen to prosecute peeping toms, guys with cameras on their shoes, and hidden cameras in dressing rooms. Does that mean that the cute pictures I have taken of my daughter while she was sleeping would land me in jail because she is wearing a nightie and some perv might get off on it?
 
2010-08-27 11:20:00 AM
The prisoner was refused access to the British embassy, blindfolded in interrogation then put in a cell. He was subjected to psychological torment, dubbed "white torture."

He said: "I had no furniture, and almost no natural light, only a bright fluorescent tube that stayed on 24/7, even when you were trying to sleep. I was allowed out of my cell ten minutes a day to use the toilet. I started to lose my mind after about seven days. It was hard to keep sane because I had no information about how long I was going to be there for."


These policies only serve to radicalize Westerners against Iran, these draconian, anti-infidel actions ensure that the Islamic Republic will be an accessory in any attack against their country by a Western power.
 
2010-08-27 11:22:08 AM
Christian Rock will make you talk!
 
2010-08-27 11:22:10 AM
Tissot: Plus - he must have been taking pictures of their crotches and such.

This is exactly the case. The guy was not just some slightly creepy dude taking full-body pics of clothed cheerleaders doing their public thing. They found thousands of upskirt/under table photos and videos at his place.
 
2010-08-27 11:24:02 AM
Tissot: Bad comparison. IF this is true, I bet he didn't spend more than 5 hours in jail. Plus - he must have been taking pictures of their crotches and such.

Oh, well if it was only 5 hours that's okay.

There are people (okay, guys) with smoking, high heels, jeans, short hair, long hair, red hair and just about anything else you can think of fetishes. A cop sees you taking a picture of a girl. If he decided it's "with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person" you can be arrested.

Gawd damn that's scary.
 
2010-08-27 11:24:07 AM
Where's the outrage!
 
2010-08-27 11:24:09 AM
The "tourist" was probably a spy. Just like those "backpackers" a couple of months ago
 
2010-08-27 11:25:02 AM
I bet they're going to rickroll the tourist nonstop. With strobe lights.
 
2010-08-27 11:27:07 AM
Theaetetus: Why, this is horrible! They should never have released him. He should have been waterboarded for years, then finally indicted in a closed-courtroom proceeding while being represented by an attorney who has never gotten to speak to him, with the prosecution claiming lots of evidence but refusing to provide it to anyone under national security grounds. Obviously, we need to invade Iran and bring civilization to their justice system.

It never ceases to amaze me how liberals will take any opportunity to trash the U.S. no matter what the subject is, even when the subject is how farked up another country is through no other country's fault, even when said country is obviously a hellhole that liberals themselves would never want to live in. Then they wonder why they get called unpatriotic. Maybe if you guys bagged on other countries once in a while your criticisms of the U.S. would seem sincere and motivated by good intentions.
 
2010-08-27 11:27:51 AM
Andrew Barber, 43, was accused of spying because the image -- meant to be of a sunrise -- showed pylons near a power plant.

s0.geograph.org.uk

Hey guize I'm a terrorist
 
2010-08-27 11:28:01 AM
You can get jailed for taking pictures of a sunrise? What kind of Pretzel logic is that?

/Steely Dan is awesome, I'll defend that to the death.
 
2010-08-27 11:28:12 AM
Juc: How is this so different from how the USA treats suspicious foreigners from certain countries?

I'm not sure anyone is claiming it's that different from how any nation treats suspected spies, not just the U.S. (There are other nations out there guys. No need for your nationalistic U.S. center-of-the universe point of view). All western nations will detain suspected spies.

I guess maybe the conditions under which he was held may be a little different. At Guantanamo for example, you get cable T.V., organized sports and catered dinners. But other than that, no I don't think there's many nations who don't detain suspected spies while evidence is reviewed.
 
2010-08-27 11:28:29 AM
Bacontastesgood: Tissot: Plus - he must have been taking pictures of their crotches and such.

This is exactly the case. The guy was not just some slightly creepy dude taking full-body pics of clothed cheerleaders doing their public thing. They found thousands of upskirt/under table photos and videos at his place.


I faking hate laws like this one. I take pics of cheerleaders doing kicks for their year book, that's okay. I do it cause I get off on it, it's illegal. So, we are criminalizing thought.
 
2010-08-27 11:29:02 AM
vernonFL: jabelar: I ended up in jail overnight in Mexico because of jaywalking and refusing to then bribe the cop.

Just bribe them. $50 to get out of Mexican jail is the best $50 you'll ever spend.


If they're demanding it from you, even in a subtle way, isn't that more like extortion than bribery?
 
2010-08-27 11:30:18 AM
NightOwl2255: A cop sees you taking a picture of a girl. If he decided it's "with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person" you can be arrested.

Gawd damn that's scary.


Uh, no. This guy was creeping people out for months and they investigated. Or would you really not mind if he was taking upskirts of some teenage girls?
 
2010-08-27 11:30:44 AM
Jailed 58 days? Hope he didn't lose that number, he might use it when he feel betters, when he gets home.

Icy watt chew deed thar...
 
2010-08-27 11:31:19 AM
SnakeMan: It never ceases to amaze me how liberals will take any opportunity to trash the U.S. no matter what the subject is,

Some people on fark have the U.S. as the center of the universe in thier world view. No matter what happens anywhere in the world. You just have to get used to it.
 
2010-08-27 11:31:42 AM
NightOwl2255: [...]A cop sees you taking a picture of a girl. If he decided it's "with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person" you can be arrested.

This is of a different order than being arrested and tortured as a spy.

Gawd damn that's scary.

Not as scary as false equivalence. I get the sense from reading some of the posts on this thread that the US would have to be perfect in every respect before Americans would have any right to object to atrocities committed in foreign countries. I wonder how this kind of thinking would have played out in 1941? "OK, so the Japanese raped half of Asia and suprise- bombed our fleet, but who are we to complain? We have segregated lunch counters."
 
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