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2010-08-27 09:53:59 AM
Hope not
Seen some really good entertainment from them
I'm not a super prolific Anime follower
But do enjoy most I've seen

Death Note
Cowboy Bebop
Ghost in the Shell (movies and series)
InuYasha (series and movies) (yes I'm a big girl)
FLCL
Fullmetal Alchemist (both series)
Big O
Samurai Champloo
Quite a bit of Gundam stuff
Others I can't recall right now

Good entertainment that most you can watch over and over again

Look forward to much more
 
2010-08-27 09:55:17 AM
Maybe the anime industry needs to be in trouble. It will cut down on all the fluff that's just there to sell toys like the last 3 (possibly 4) Star Wars movies. The producers who work with actual talent will still make their stuff.
 
2010-08-27 09:57:50 AM
Trik: Hope not
Seen some really good entertainment from them
I'm not a super prolific Anime follower
But do enjoy most I've seen

Death Note
Cowboy Bebop
Ghost in the Shell (movies and series)
InuYasha (series and movies) (yes I'm a big girl)
FLCL
Fullmetal Alchemist (both series)
Big O
Samurai Champloo
Quite a bit of Gundam stuff
Others I can't recall right now

Good entertainment that most you can watch over and over again

Look forward to much more


The music in Samurai Champloo was phenomenal. Rest in peace Nujabes (new window) though. :(
 
2010-08-27 09:58:22 AM
I don't really like anime, but I'd shiat myself if Shinichiro Watanabe did another series.
 
2010-08-27 09:59:40 AM
Anime is not dead:

www.avantpremiers.com.ar

/Reaper CHOP!
 
2010-08-27 10:01:39 AM
Ghastly: Nothing a few tentacles can't fix.

Relatively Obscure: I sure hope so.

When you read these two comments together, things get a little weird.
 
2010-08-27 10:03:05 AM
Almost forgot:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2010-08-27 10:05:37 AM
Schrodinger's Petting Zoo: Anime is not dead:



/Reaper CHOP!


I was going to bring up Soul Eater. It's fairly juvenile, but it's a hell of a lot of fun. (To anyone starting the series, don't be put off by the first few episodes. Things really start to pick up and get serious once they're done with the "introduction" episodes.) But as much as I enjoyed it, I'd be hard pressed to include it in a discussion of things like Trigun, Bebop, Lain, Evangelion, etc.

The most recent great series I've seen has been Mushi-shi.
 
2010-08-27 10:06:41 AM
dokool: On the American side, fansubbing/downloading just about crippled the industry because it took Japanese and American companies so long to set up stuff like CrunchyRoll that would get legal,downloadable anime to the masses in a fast and efficient manner. Meanwhile the potential consumers are all used to being able to torrent stuff the day after release, most anime fans live in a near-constant state of poverty (easily represented by how many rooms in the average con hotel are overfilled in violation of fire codes) because they're teens/college students and have no steady income to speak of.

But but downloading doesn't hurt anyone! Fark the corporate machine! Etc.

/am I doing it right?
 
2010-08-27 10:09:17 AM
Genju:
Girlie stuff (Should have been marketed for adolescent girls. Imagine boys falling over about My Little Pony):


Love Hina a girls show? What, for lesbians?


... and the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya?

Why do I think you just GIS'd for "girl" and "anime" and don't really know anything about those shows.

And yes, anime is killing itself. Has been for years.
 
2010-08-27 10:09:43 AM
I've been waiting for them to make something mature and engaging for years. People always bring up Ghost in the Shell in these discussions because that's the last thing that wasn't embarrassing for fans on some level. Nowadays I stick to procedural shounen stuff like Bleach and FMA because those shows are a known quantity and I can't be bothered to sift through the garbage. I'll also occasionally re-watch an old show (dramas like Honey & Clover are a guilty pleasure), but that's pretty much it.

Cantankerous Gnome: Nowadays, I really can't think of what the last real original story I've seen was.

Eden of the East. I've never seen anything like it, animated or otherwise.

Shows I've been meaning to see again for the third time:

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2010-08-27 10:10:48 AM
Two words: Gurren Lagann
 
2010-08-27 10:12:25 AM
OnmyojiOmn: I've been waiting for them to make something mature and engaging for years.

If you haven't seen it already, Mushi-shi is probably exactly what you're looking for.
 
2010-08-27 10:17:40 AM
a4matte: Cantankerous Gnome: Also agree with that. Totally unashamed to say I watched the Sailor Moon dubs when they were on WPIX weekday mornings when I was in 7th grade, and am equally unashamed to say that I bought the subbed versions when they came out and was amazed at how much better it was. Nowadays, I really can't think of what the last real original story I've seen was.

FullMetal Alchemist was the last show I watched and really enjoyed. It took a friend of mine a while to even convince me to watch it, but in the end I really liked it.


FMA Brotherhood has been about x1000 better than the first FMA series. As I understand it actually follows the manga, whereas the first series they did loosely followed the manga till around episode 25 then just went and did it's own thing. It's running on Adult Swim at the moment, they just hit the last episode they had available a couple weeks ago and started over again, things were getting pretty severely farked up towards. I mean, I was initially surprised at how dark FMA was at times after AS's initial promos for it, but FMA:Brotherhood goes even further. It may seem really similar for the first few episodes but it's definitely worth watching once things start changing up.

/Al's voice actor this time around isn't nearly as annoying, or generally bad, even though I'm pretty sure it's the same guy
//pretty much all of the other voices are the same this time around too, I can't think of one that's different off the top of my head
///anime I've liked: Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Witch Hunter Robin, Samurai Champloo, Ghost in the Shell, Paranoia Agent, Gurren Lagan, Robotech...
////I guess Robotech doesn't really count though...
///because someone mentioned it, Blood+ was about 25 episodes too long. Most ridiculously drawn out crap EVER. Plus creepy off-screen pedo rape.
 
2010-08-27 10:19:34 AM
Click Click D'oh: Genju:
Girlie stuff (Should have been marketed for adolescent girls. Imagine boys falling over about My Little Pony):

Love Hina a girls show? What, for lesbians?


... and the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya?

Why do I think you just GIS'd for "girl" and "anime" and don't really know anything about those shows.

And yes, anime is killing itself. Has been for years.


All anime were searched for by name. Excuse my discontent for crap that should have been aimed at middle school girls but instead people who would soak up any anime you throw at them made them popular. Add Lucky Star to that pile of crap while you're at it.

Some more favs:

t3.gstatic.com

t0.gstatic.com

t2.gstatic.com

t3.gstatic.com

t1.gstatic.com

t2.gstatic.com

t0.gstatic.com
 
2010-08-27 10:19:39 AM
improvius: OnmyojiOmn: I've been waiting for them to make something mature and engaging for years.

If you haven't seen it already, Mushi-shi is probably exactly what you're looking for.


Saw it, liked it. Not really mature and bullshiat-free in the way that Standalone Complex was after it got its shiat together.
 
2010-08-27 10:20:46 AM
Maybe they should stop making weird shiat that sexualizes children? I was at a lan party with a friend who was all big up on the animes, and the amount of weird and creepy shiat he had on his computer was amazing.

The other thing is that he seriously didn't know what Jin-Roh: the wolf brigade, Ranma 1/2, or Golgo 13 were. He also had never heard of blade of the immortal, or Lone Wolf and Cub.

Point is, most of the new animes is shiat like Strike Witches, which as far as I could tell was upskirt shots of 12-year old girls with cat ears and rocket legs.
 
2010-08-27 10:20:48 AM
A lot of us posting here seem to have the same opinion -- it has become very difficult for a casual fan to sift through the drek to find a decent anime or manga series worth the time.

In the US, it seems we've been getting a flood of the stuff of wildly varying qualities of late when years ago it was typically only the better, more popular titles that made it overseas. People saw the success those titles had and have been trying to get a piece of the pie by shoveling over any title they can get their mitts on, regardless of quality.

There's also a sense of elitism by many of the more rabid fads I've met recently that has been altogether off-putting. Guys -- you're not helping your cause any by alienating anyone who would show even the remotest interest in manga and anime by treating them like dirt for daring to refer to your little books as "comics" and your shows as "cartoons". GET OVER YOURSELVES.

/goes back to reading Nausicaa and DOMU.
 
2010-08-27 10:26:02 AM
Schrodinger's Petting Zoo: Almost forgot:

A pox on me for forgetting about Monster! Watched that with my wife maybe 2 years ago now, and we both absolutely loved it. Also loved that it seems to follow the manga almost to the letter (granted I've only read up to maybe volume 6 or 7), but we would watch maybe 6 episodes or more in a row because we just had to know what happened next, and would ultimately only turn it off because it was 2 in the morning and we both had to work the next day. Anime industry needs more like that, to be certain.
 
2010-08-27 10:30:40 AM
Galvatron Zero: A lot of us posting here seem to have the same opinion -- it has become very difficult for a casual fan to sift through the drek to find a decent anime or manga series worth the time.

In the US, it seems we've been getting a flood of the stuff of wildly varying qualities of late when years ago it was typically only the better, more popular titles that made it overseas. People saw the success those titles had and have been trying to get a piece of the pie by shoveling over any title they can get their mitts on, regardless of quality.

There's also a sense of elitism by many of the more rabid fads I've met recently that has been altogether off-putting. Guys -- you're not helping your cause any by alienating anyone who would show even the remotest interest in manga and anime by treating them like dirt for daring to refer to your little books as "comics" and your shows as "cartoons". GET OVER YOURSELVES.

/goes back to reading Nausicaa and DOMU.


Here's my take on current US animated shows. I was in high school when South Park debuted, and I thought the animation was utter crap compared to anything I had ever seen before in my life. But guess what? It was so over the top in its humor (risque, I guess?) that people just ignored the horrible animation and laughed. It has been a huge success. Now other cartoons seem to have only gotten half of that success model correctly: the crappy animation. What happens when you take all the real good humor out of it and try to dumb it down to an elementary school level of intelligence? Eye gouging suck.

Some stuff has made it through alright, either by going back to better animation or better dialogue (some adult swim stuff comes to mind) but the rest... well... bleh.
 
2010-08-27 10:30:59 AM
Galvatron Zero: A lot of us posting here seem to have the same opinion -- it has become very difficult for a casual fan to sift through the drek to find a decent anime or manga series worth the time.

In the US, it seems we've been getting a flood of the stuff of wildly varying qualities of late when years ago it was typically only the better, more popular titles that made it overseas. People saw the success those titles had and have been trying to get a piece of the pie by shoveling over any title they can get their mitts on, regardless of quality.

There's also a sense of elitism by many of the more rabid fads I've met recently that has been altogether off-putting. Guys -- you're not helping your cause any by alienating anyone who would show even the remotest interest in manga and anime by treating them like dirt for daring to refer to your little books as "comics" and your shows as "cartoons". GET OVER YOURSELVES.

/goes back to reading Nausicaa and DOMU.


Well said. As someone who was often asked, "Oh, you still watch cartoons?" I would always calmly reply that the medium isn't what makes something for children or not, usually citing something along the lines of Beavis and Butt-Head or even the Simpsons. If I had seen it at the time, I also would have challenged them to watch Grave of the Fireflies and then come back and repeat that cartoons are for kids.
 
2010-08-27 10:31:04 AM
Oh noes! Those sandal wearing goldfish tenders' perverted cartoons are in trouble! Someone call the awkward virgin brigade to buy more terrible shiat!
 
2010-08-27 10:36:07 AM
It'll be sad if it does happen. Satochi Kon's passing was tragic enough, but it'd be unfathomable for Studio Ghibli to just shut down in the event of two flops, like the article mentions too.
 
2010-08-27 10:43:26 AM
Cantankerous Gnome: Galvatron Zero: A lot of us posting here seem to have the same opinion -- it has become very difficult for a casual fan to sift through the drek to find a decent anime or manga series worth the time.

In the US, it seems we've been getting a flood of the stuff of wildly varying qualities of late when years ago it was typically only the better, more popular titles that made it overseas. People saw the success those titles had and have been trying to get a piece of the pie by shoveling over any title they can get their mitts on, regardless of quality.

There's also a sense of elitism by many of the more rabid fads I've met recently that has been altogether off-putting. Guys -- you're not helping your cause any by alienating anyone who would show even the remotest interest in manga and anime by treating them like dirt for daring to refer to your little books as "comics" and your shows as "cartoons". GET OVER YOURSELVES.

/goes back to reading Nausicaa and DOMU.

Well said. As someone who was often asked, "Oh, you still watch cartoons?" I would always calmly reply that the medium isn't what makes something for children or not, usually citing something along the lines of Beavis and Butt-Head or even the Simpsons. If I had seen it at the time, I also would have challenged them to watch Grave of the Fireflies and then come back and repeat that cartoons are for kids.


Can you really blame them though? I mean, blame people who grew up in the 70's or before I guess. They were exposed to a bunch of stuff that truly was awesome when we were 6, but are terrible now! I know this will drum up some nerd rage, but I am talking about He-Man, GI Joe, Transformers and the like. I swear their entire existence was for the sole purpose of selling plastic launching hunks of plastic. We ate it up as kids. But I do own most of those shows in one form of medium or another, and I can not bear to watch entire episodes anymore.

So people with just that as their perspective, of course they are going to talk derogatory to people who watch cartoons. Because to them, all cartoons are still like the ones they saw in the 70's and 80's.

/Why do I own them? multiple reasons.
//the first being: "Oh shiat they're selling ______ on DVD now? I haven't seen it in years I must have it!"
///nephews are 5 and 7. They will watch it damn it.
 
2010-08-27 10:45:39 AM
Scottathon: I don't really like anime, but I'd shiat myself if Shinichiro Watanabe did another series.

Me too, brother. Samurai Champloo is amazing in every respect. I still bump the soundtrack (longtime fan of Fat Jon anyway).
 
2010-08-27 10:48:17 AM
Pengfish: Scottathon: I don't really like anime, but I'd shiat myself if Shinichiro Watanabe did another series.

Me too, brother. Samurai Champloo is amazing in every respect. I still bump the soundtrack (longtime fan of Fat Jon anyway).


Bebop for the jazz, Champloo for the hip hop. Music definitely done right.
 
2010-08-27 10:49:35 AM
Genju: Cantankerous Gnome: Galvatron Zero: A lot of us posting here seem to have the same opinion -- it has become very difficult for a casual fan to sift through the drek to find a decent anime or manga series worth the time.

In the US, it seems we've been getting a flood of the stuff of wildly varying qualities of late when years ago it was typically only the better, more popular titles that made it overseas. People saw the success those titles had and have been trying to get a piece of the pie by shoveling over any title they can get their mitts on, regardless of quality.

There's also a sense of elitism by many of the more rabid fads I've met recently that has been altogether off-putting. Guys -- you're not helping your cause any by alienating anyone who would show even the remotest interest in manga and anime by treating them like dirt for daring to refer to your little books as "comics" and your shows as "cartoons". GET OVER YOURSELVES.

/goes back to reading Nausicaa and DOMU.

Well said. As someone who was often asked, "Oh, you still watch cartoons?" I would always calmly reply that the medium isn't what makes something for children or not, usually citing something along the lines of Beavis and Butt-Head or even the Simpsons. If I had seen it at the time, I also would have challenged them to watch Grave of the Fireflies and then come back and repeat that cartoons are for kids.

Can you really blame them though? I mean, blame people who grew up in the 70's or before I guess. They were exposed to a bunch of stuff that truly was awesome when we were 6, but are terrible now! I know this will drum up some nerd rage, but I am talking about He-Man, GI Joe, Transformers and the like. I swear their entire existence was for the sole purpose of selling plastic launching hunks of plastic. We ate it up as kids. But I do own most of those shows in one form of medium or another, and I can not bear to watch entire episodes anymore.

So people with just that as their perspective, of course they are going to talk derogatory to people who watch cartoons. Because to them, all cartoons are still like the ones they saw in the 70's and 80's.

/Why do I own them? multiple reasons.
//the first being: "Oh shiat they're selling ______ on DVD now? I haven't seen it in years I must have it!"
///nephews are 5 and 7. They will watch it damn it.


Can't blame them for it, nope. That's why I would actually have a serious discussion, and the usual response was, "Oh, what you say makes sense. But I'm not going to watch anything myself." Kind of let's agree to disagree, which I'm totally cool with. Just like to clear up misconceptions. And I own Voltron for the exact reason you mentioned up there. LOVED it when I was 4, watched it again on DVD, said, "Wow, this show is awful!" but continue to watch it anyway.

But then, there are also cartoons that I watched as a child that I would watch again now as an adult and like it even more (*ahem* ExoSquad *ahem*). If nothing else, anime has gotten me to open up my mind a bit more.
 
2010-08-27 10:51:06 AM
hulk hogan meat shoes: Oh noes! Those sandal wearing goldfish tenders' perverted cartoons are in trouble! Someone call the awkward virgin brigade to buy more terrible shiat!

9.6/10. Well done. And compact too! You lost the .4 for the fact that i was laughing once i read it. It's too funny to make someone mad.

/and the handle is awesome too
 
2010-08-27 10:52:40 AM
Cantankerous Gnome:

Can't blame them for it, nope. That's why I would actually have a serious discussion, and the usual response was, "Oh, what you say makes sense. But I'm not going to watch anything myself." Kind of let's agree to disagree, which I'm totally cool with. Just like to clear up misconceptions. And I own Voltron for the exact reason you mentioned up there. LOVED it when I was 4, watched it again on DVD, said, "Wow, this show is awful!" but continue to watch it anyway.

But then, there are also cartoons that I watched as a child that I would watch again now as an adult and like it even more (*ahem* ExoSquad *ahem*). If nothing else, anime has gotten me to open up my mind a bit more.


What I find funny is that these people will criticize others for watching cartoons, then go drool over some movie that is 90% CGI. So apparently we just need more anime drawn like ReBoot.

t0.gstatic.com
 
2010-08-27 10:54:01 AM
How many tons of anime does Japan produce every year?
 
2010-08-27 10:55:34 AM
They want 40 bucks for a anime Bluray? Screw them.
 
2010-08-27 10:56:01 AM
Genju: I swear their entire existence was for the sole purpose of selling plastic launching hunks of plastic.

ITV in the UK were given Masters of the Universe. I think that tells you everything.
 
2010-08-27 10:57:36 AM
Cantankerous Gnome: a4matte: Cantankerous Gnome: Also agree with that. Totally unashamed to say I watched the Sailor Moon dubs when they were on WPIX weekday mornings when I was in 7th grade, and am equally unashamed to say that I bought the subbed versions when they came out and was amazed at how much better it was. Nowadays, I really can't think of what the last real original story I've seen was.

FullMetal Alchemist was the last show I watched and really enjoyed. It took a friend of mine a while to even convince me to watch it, but in the end I really liked it.

Believe it or not, FullMetal was the first thing that came to mind after I posted. Used to watch it on Adult Swim every week and still bought every DVD. The ONLY problem I had with FullMetal was that I almost felt like it was too popular. Getting inundated with images and merchandise everywhere I turn kind of turns me off to stuff in general. If the show is good, I'll watch it. Don't shove stuff in my face, is all.



If you haven't seen it I would HIGHLY suggest the newer, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. It's... not really a remake of the FMA series. The original anime started with the FMA story, and had a lot of the same characters and some of the same events, but it diverged completely as the manga was still being written at the time.

FMA: Brotherhood sticks to the story in the manga closely though, and they timed the anime to match the manga, and end around the same time. I liked the original series quite a bit, but FMA: Brotherhood is vastly superior IMHO. REALLY good stuff, and now that it has ended (just a few weeks ago) I'm at a total loss as to what to replace it with in my weekly schedule...
 
2010-08-27 10:58:40 AM
BEGIN COMMENT FULL 'O SPOILERS



Talon: Two words: Gurren Lagann

One of my favorites, but it has left me jaded. How, exactly, does one begin to watch something else after the final battle is fought with mechas larger than galaxy clusters and fought on superclusters with the final antagonist recreating the birth of the universe as an attack? You can't. You just, in essence, killed god, and in one hell of a fashion. I couldn't bring myself to watch anything for months afterward, as nothing could compare. Great story, sure, but that ruined everything for me.

"I have a sword and I am fighting for something!"
Did you transcend time and space to defeat the overseer of life as we know it with a galaxy underfoot as your fighting arena?
"...I have a sword!"

Also, if there was ever a case for subs over dubs, that show made it.

END COMMENT FULL 'O SPOILERS
 
2010-08-27 10:59:44 AM
radioman_: They want 40 bucks for a anime Bluray? Screw them.

That's been my biggest issue. Nobody wants to pay 40 bucks unless that disc has like 10 episodes. Most have 3-4, even for shows like DBZ that had what like 292 episodes? Yeah that business model is a failure. Although bargain bin diving at some websites does turn up some gems. I got the entire Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi box set (cool tin case and all) for $15 a few months back.

DVD anyway. The only blu-ray anime I have I think is Spriggan and F/SN, because they were cheap as well.
 
2010-08-27 11:01:27 AM
I have to agree, YouTube & torrents have done a lot to hurt the anime industry. And the US distributors were still in the mentality of its still hard to get so we can charge an arm and a leg for it.

Other titles to look over:
Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad
Roemo X Jueliet
Kenichi: The Mightiest Disciple
Claymore
Votoms
 
2010-08-27 11:05:45 AM
As a longtime fan, this is saddening. It sounds as if the main problem is with their business models, but there's also been a drop in the quality. I thought i was just too busy to keep up with the epic stuff, but it seems upon closer inspection that the epics are few and far between these days.

Last month, i re-watched the original Bubblegum Crisis series from the '80s, expecting to snicker at it. Instead, i was impressed by the richness of the backgrounds, the music, and the incredible fluidity of some of the character animation. There was workmanship there that i haven't seen in years.

We grew up on Akira, Battle Angel, Project A-ko, and Neon Genesis Evangelion. How do you expect me to watch this lazy, ludicrous new crap like Bleach and Soul Eater?
 
2010-08-27 11:07:04 AM
Part of the problem is exposure. Nobody wants to blind-buy DVDs at the price they currently are. Not to mention that the majority of the shows being licensed seem to be generic fan-service shows. Like said before, you have to wade through plenty of crap to find the good shows.

There needs to be a better TV presence for the good shows to be recognized. All that's available now seems to be the one or two shows that are on Adult Swim at any given time, and the One Piece/Naruto type shows that show up on the kids networks. There's no more Toonami, no more anime on Sci-Fi. How is anybody supposed to get hooked on shows they never see?
 
2010-08-27 11:17:21 AM
Not as long as we have this man (and now his son)
www.justpressplay.net

And he keeps making films like these
postbubbleculture.blogs.wm.edu

//paprika was beautiful too
//Release the trigun movie in the US already jeeeeeez
 
2010-08-27 11:21:31 AM
NeoCortex42: ...no more anime on Sci-Fi. How is anybody supposed to get hooked on shows they never see?


There is Anime on Sci-Fi, excuse me, SyFY, on Monday nights.

But you dont have to take my word for it, you can find out more at your local library!

//Reaaaading Raaaaaiiiinbooowwwww
 
2010-08-27 11:21:38 AM
NeoCortex42: Part of the problem is exposure. Nobody wants to blind-buy DVDs at the price they currently are. Not to mention that the majority of the shows being licensed seem to be generic fan-service shows. Like said before, you have to wade through plenty of crap to find the good shows.

Nobody wants to blind buy at $120 a season. But hit me up at $40 or less inside best buy for a full season show, and I will (and have) pick it up if it sounds remotely interesting or if I've heard anything of note about it. $30 or less and I don't even blink. Space Pirate Mitoh is a GREAT example of that. It was an great show that had no right to be that good, I had seen one episode that was "well it's kinda cute", but for $30 it was amazing.

I bought Berserk's starter box for $60 at FYE because it was one of the first starter boxes ever and I had no idea that's what I was getting. I would never, ever, have bout 5 more discs of that at $24 a pop. But I bought the flatpack at $30 and ADORED it.

There's a ton of classic shows that just need to be thrown out, subtitled only, $30 a season. That's what needs to happen.

Also, I need my Shin Mazinger Z-Hen Blu Rays, in order for me to BURN IT UP.
 
2010-08-27 11:31:10 AM
"phojochris 2010-08-27 11:17:21 AM
Not as long as we have this man (and now his son)"

So we can choose porn or boring when picking out Anime...yea...
 
2010-08-27 11:32:19 AM
I'm hardly an otaku, but I know what I like, and what I like is damn hard to find on the shelves anymore. For every Patlabor, Cowboy Bebop or Planetes, there are ten times as many titles that are either episode-long game/toy commercials or are compensating for Japanese sexual hangups.

With the exception of Miyazaki's work, it's just not worth looking anymore.
 
2010-08-27 11:33:26 AM
Anime is like many other entertainment mediums and is going through its stages.

Unknown to start, then liked by a few, then gained some popularity, then was VERY popular to the point that it was overproduced, overproducing something in media eventually lowers the quality of it.

Casual fans then drift away (they're "casual" for a reason) once the newness of it has worn off. Hardcore, "been there for years" type fans, feel alienated and/or bored as what used to be high quality and their own little "niche" just doesn't have the same luster it used too. Sometimes they just quit using/watching the new material. Some folks keep diggin for something that gave them the same etnertainment that their first few experiences did.

As time goes on, the medium scales back production. It's a time where people making the entertainment either hone thier craft and start producing quality over quantity again or the medium dies.

That's where Anime is right now. It'll either start putting out better stuff again, if not as many new shows, or it WILL die off.
 
2010-08-27 11:34:45 AM
Old enough to know better: Sad, but not really surprising. I used to be a big anime fan. But in the last few years there just haven't been any new shows that've caught my intrest. All the stardard high-school comedies, harem shows, mechs, and 'nerdy high school kid falls through a dimensional rift and has to save another world from evil monsters', shows got old a long time ago.

We really need another Trigun, Cowboy Beebop,or hell, Cardcaptor Sakura.



The only extremely recent series I can name that's as good at those is Death Note. It managed to blend the supernatural and a detective show into one of the most intense shows I've ever seen, despite extremely little amounts of actual violence.
 
2010-08-27 11:35:08 AM
evilmrsock: NeoCortex42: Part of the problem is exposure. Nobody wants to blind-buy DVDs at the price they currently are. Not to mention that the majority of the shows being licensed seem to be generic fan-service shows. Like said before, you have to wade through plenty of crap to find the good shows.

Nobody wants to blind buy at $120 a season. But hit me up at $40 or less inside best buy for a full season show, and I will (and have) pick it up if it sounds remotely interesting or if I've heard anything of note about it. $30 or less and I don't even blink. Space Pirate Mitoh is a GREAT example of that. It was an great show that had no right to be that good, I had seen one episode that was "well it's kinda cute", but for $30 it was amazing.

I bought Berserk's starter box for $60 at FYE because it was one of the first starter boxes ever and I had no idea that's what I was getting. I would never, ever, have bout 5 more discs of that at $24 a pop. But I bought the flatpack at $30 and ADORED it.

There's a ton of classic shows that just need to be thrown out, subtitled only, $30 a season. That's what needs to happen.

Also, I need my Shin Mazinger Z-Hen Blu Rays, in order for me to BURN IT UP.


Honestly, it would not hurt my feelings at all if most anime went back to not being licensed in the US. Let the big name "catch-all" shows like DBZ and Pokemon cash in on US audiences, but stop chopping up good anime to pieces and then spewing it out with halfass dubbing.

There were and still are plenty of groups on there who would translate and subtitle unlicensed anime for the masses. I used to be part of such a group on IRC 10 years ago, and it was a great time.
 
2010-08-27 11:39:55 AM
Genju: There were and still are plenty of groups on there who would translate and subtitle unlicensed anime for the masses. I used to be part of such a group on IRC 10 years ago, and it was a great time.

You know what I love most about subs? It's like I'm still reading the manga, but it's in full motion. It's absolutely engaging. For some reason, dubs do not have the same effect on me, and it feels somewhat detached.
 
2010-08-27 11:44:18 AM
doctorguilty: I'm hardly an otaku, but I know what I like, and what I like is damn hard to find on the shelves anymore. For every Patlabor, Cowboy Bebop or Planetes, there are ten times as many titles that are either episode-long game/toy commercials or are compensating for Japanese sexual hangups.

With the exception of Miyazaki's work, it's just not worth looking anymore.


there is a ton worth looking for out there. It's just a lot of it isn't all that popular, or isn't being marketed well.
 
2010-08-27 11:45:18 AM
ArtosRC: Genju: There were and still are plenty of groups on there who would translate and subtitle unlicensed anime for the masses. I used to be part of such a group on IRC 10 years ago, and it was a great time.

You know what I love most about subs? It's like I'm still reading the manga, but it's in full motion. It's absolutely engaging. For some reason, dubs do not have the same effect on me, and it feels somewhat detached.


You know, it's just something you get used to. Now when the old Excel Saga subs came out and she's talking whole paragraphs at Mach 10 it was difficult to keep up. What pisses me off the most is when they dub some dude with a heavy western accent like they never left Texas do the dub of some early Meiji era samurai show. That's you, Cho!

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2010-08-27 11:45:33 AM
DjangoStonereaver: I guess the 5k-15k attendee at anime conventions like Katsucon,
Otakon, Anime West and such aren't otaku, then?


If they don't spend money on their hobby, they don't count. Protip: buying a bootleg plush toy isn't supporting your hobby.

The average fan is getting younger and younger, and more willing to pirate their shows and books.

There's a ton of classic shows that just need to be thrown out, subtitled only, $30 a season. That's what needs to happen.

Funi's doing that with older S.A.V.E titles - full shows priced at a one-dvd price (19-26$). Still, pirates will be pirates.


Correct me if I am wrong, but this is because the studios purchase airtime from the TV channels, and then sell the abovementioned merch to recoup their costs. They don't get any money from advertising or pay channel subscriptions.

This is correct. most moe shows are infomercials, nothing more. The moe audiences actually buy the merch.

Another Trigun, etc
And who will pay for it? Anime is a low-tech product (books, videos) with a high-tech audience, and no compunction against piracy. It's a losing battle.

Although I'll tell you what, ever since a group of companies got together and shut down the biggest scanslation aggregators, sales in manga are up 20% overall.

Think about how big that is.

-Take the people who read scans.
-Now only keep the people who are too busy or whatever to stop looking for something if it isn't on OneManga.
-Now, of them, only take the people that like what they are reading enough to pay money to read it.
-Now, of them, take only the comics that are licensed in the US.
-Now, of that, take only the comics that were just ripped scans of US releases - i.e. not as far as they are in Japan, just America.

That small chunk alone is worth 20% of manga sales.

An average store will show, for example, 20 copies of Book X volume 1. 15 of V2, 14 V3, 13 V4, etc (people stop reading it halfway through).

OneManga shuts down? 25 V5 sales. That's MORE than the V1.


Things were different when people posted translations, and you had to buy the japanese book (at 4$) yourself, and read along.

But anyone who says American piracy isn't killing the industry is fooling themselves. Many shows are made specifically so selling to the US is part of their business model, and why buy a show when the people who 'love' it won't spend a dime?

AND ANOTHER THING: When the LARGEST CONS IN THE UNITED STATES allow OBVIOUS BOOTLEGGERS IN THEIR DEALERS' ROOMS, you know how much they actually care about the industry at large.

/works in the industry
//getting a kick, etc.
 
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