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(Some Conspiracy Theorist)   Retired FBI agent now claiming Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill JFK. In related story sales of Reynolds Wrap skyrocket   (prisonplanet.com) divider line 442
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2010-08-25 01:57:59 PM
Coco LaFemme: Oswald was a Marine marksman. You mean to tell me he couldn't make that easy of a shot, when he had made perfect shots from farther distances? Come on.

In the Marines. Outstanding. Those individuals showed what one motivated Marine and his rifle can do. And before you ladies leave my Island, you will all be able to do the same thing.
 
2010-08-25 01:59:12 PM
acaciaavenue: MoeSzyslak: /preemptive

You've never fired a gun, have you?


I own over a dozen of them. I posted pics clearly showing that all of the wounds could be caused by one bullet. Do you disagree with that?
 
2010-08-25 01:59:27 PM
Kennedy being killed was the second of three Masonic alchemical rituals to bring about syncretism in opposing principles in order to green Israel, rebuild the Temple of Solomon and establish a One World government.

1. Building/exploding the A-bomb
2. Kennedy (slaying of the Divine King)
3. Landing Masons on the Moon

/That is all
 
2010-08-25 01:59:33 PM
static.tvtropes.org

Approves
 
2010-08-25 01:59:38 PM
jules_siegel: Oswald used could have fired three shots in the time recorded.

He didn't need to fire 3 shots in the time recorded he needed to fire to shots in the time recored.

Thats to say, he needed to fire two more shots after the first one. People want to bring up the 3 shots in 6 seconds, but he only needed to fir 2 shots in 6 seconds.

First shot: Timer starts.
He then has 6 seconds to fire the next 2 shots. Plenty of time.
 
2010-08-25 02:00:11 PM
Retired FBI agent now claiming Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill JFK. apparently is a liar. who else but a republican would lie to make a dollar.

someone needs to bring in some additional income.......
 
2010-08-25 02:00:18 PM
Badger: "A tiger got him..."



Obscure?


Almost Live?

/nothing is obscure on fark
 
2010-08-25 02:00:37 PM
Coco LaFemme: Oswald was a Marine marksman. You mean to tell me he couldn't make that easy of a shot, when he had made perfect shots from farther distances? Come on.

Furthermore, if you play Connect The Dots with the bullet wounds and then track them all backward, you get the 6th floor window of the Texas Schoolbook Depository. That's where the shots came from. Not the grassy knoll, not in front of the car, not from the other side....from BEHIND. If someone really was shooting from the grassy knoll, don't you think the bullet would have passed through JFK's head and hit Jackie? By the time of the 3rd shot, their heads were pretty close together as he was leaning over toward her and she was leaning into him.


Exactly. Plus, Oswald was seen carrying a rifle shaped package into the SBD, and there were 3 spent shells on the 6th floor that matched the rifle, which had his palm print on it. The dude did it.
 
2010-08-25 02:01:09 PM
www.celebritywonder.com
RIP JFK
 
2010-08-25 02:02:00 PM
jules_siegel: No one has ever demonstrated that the rifle Oswald used could have fired three shots in the time recorded. If anyone has information otherwise, I'd like to see it.


The History Channel 7 years ago ran a very well-produced documentary about the Kennedy Assassination and had someone demonstrate the three shots with the exact same make and model gun that Oswald used, and he pulled off all three shots in under 8 seconds. Including pausing before the 3rd shot as Oswald was believed to have done.

The guy was in his mid-80s.

Oswald was what, 24?
 
2010-08-25 02:02:04 PM
the FBI did it.

Father

Brother

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2010-08-25 02:02:16 PM
God made Akron so Cleveland could have something to laugh about ...

 
2010-08-25 02:02:20 PM
drongozone: Kennedy being killed was the second of three Masonic alchemical rituals to bring about syncretism in opposing principles in order to green Israel, rebuild the Temple of Solomon and establish a One World government.

1. Building/exploding the A-bomb
2. Kennedy (slaying of the Divine King)
3. Landing Masons on the Moon

/That is all


You'll derp your brain out, kid.
 
2010-08-25 02:02:45 PM
Fano: Bombsauce: Fano: What people don't know about the Kennedy assassination is that at the last moment, he took the scope and trusted to a voice in his head telling him to trust his feelings

He easily could have made the shot. After all, he was bullseyeing wharf rats in Havana, and JFK wasn't much bigger than that.

He probably flew off in a small private aircraft immediately afterwards. I hear he was a great pilot, just like his father.

I heard he a little too much of his father in him, according to his uncle.


This was probably his first expedition into a city like Dallas, he always wanted to see other places but that uncle of his wanted to keep him from ever leaving because they needed him for harvesting season
 
2010-08-25 02:03:21 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: This theory has been around for nearly 50 years and zero proof has surfaced...in a country that can't keep a secret longer than it takes to try to score with a hot reporter.

One dude did it, face facts.


Hey, no fair bringing common sense into this.

At least I can step out of this scary thread a little less slowly knowing not EVERYONE in it is crazier than a loon.
 
2010-08-25 02:03:24 PM
i am damo suzuki: I didn't think this had ever been in question. I don't know a single person who believes the official story about this.

Now you do. Oswald was a marine-trained shooter using an accurate and powerful rifle making a relatively easy shot. More to the point, if he DIDN'T do it, then why did he gun down that cop in a movie theatre later that day? Everybody seems to foget that bit of the story for some reason
 
2010-08-25 02:03:34 PM
Coco LaFemme: Oswald was a Marine marksman. You mean to tell me he couldn't make that easy of a shot, when he had made perfect shots from farther distances? Come on.

Furthermore, if you play Connect The Dots with the bullet wounds and then track them all backward, you get the 6th floor window of the Texas Schoolbook Depository. That's where the shots came from. Not the grassy knoll, not in front of the car, not from the other side....from BEHIND. If someone really was shooting from the grassy knoll, don't you think the bullet would have passed through JFK's head and hit Jackie? By the time of the 3rd shot, their heads were pretty close together as he was leaning over toward her and she was leaning into him.

I know it's supposedly "cool" not to trust the government but there's been not one scintilla of evidence over the last 47 years that points to anyone other than Oswald having been the shooter. Conspiracy theories are not evidence, they aren't even interesting.


Hi, welcome to fark, you must be new here, with your sensible talk and all...
 
2010-08-25 02:04:04 PM
OregonVet

Oh, and Ima disappoint:

Too late.
 
2010-08-25 02:04:25 PM
Why would he $peak out now after all the$e year$? Dude'$ retiring, need$ $peaking fee$

/Doesn't have to be true to get paid for it.
 
2010-08-25 02:04:32 PM
jj325: Kennedy wasn't killed in the original timeline. Unfortunately, in that timeline the USSR became increasingly angry about the failure to place missles in Cuba. Kennedy, feeling he had to play it tough because of the upcoming election, decided to settle things once and for all by invading Cuba in February of 1964. Things quickly turned ugly, and the Soviets invaded West Germany. A targeted nuclear exchange between the US and USSR then took place, wiping out Moscow, Leningrad, Washington and New York. The Chinese, seizing the opportunity with split second timing, immediately sent 50 million ground troops into the Soviet Union while simultaneously striking a crippled US west coast. Within days the US and USSR, their nuclear and communications capabilities hoplessly crippled, surrendered to the organized and massive Chinese army. By 2050 a group of historians understood that if the second invasion of Cuba could somehow be stopped this WW III would have never occurred. By poring over old news footage and accounts it was determined that an assasination of Kennedy in the months prior to the invasion would effectively change the course of history. In August of 2073 a viable, though crude, time machine was developed. Three men, who knew they were effectively assuring not only the destruction of themselves, but everything in the world they knew, were sent to Dallas in November of 1963 to kill JFK. The moment they shot the president they immediately disappeared, as they had changed the course of history.

Much more believable. +1
 
2010-08-25 02:04:54 PM
Is there any credence to be given to the stories that claim dozens of people who were either witnesses or otherwise had contradictory evidence were either threatened into silence/changing their stories or outright killed under suspicious circumstances? Those kinds of stories always bugged me more than people playing amateur forensics.
 
2010-08-25 02:04:56 PM
FTFA: The 80-year-old is currently putting the papers into a book and he has also produced a documentary style DVD, which is being sold on his website.

credibility approaches zero.
 
2010-08-25 02:05:09 PM
Rufus Lee King: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Yanks_RSJ: It was clearly a controlled demolition inside JFKs skull.

Actually, Chuck Norris blocked the bullet with his beard. JFK's head exploded in amazement.
 
2010-08-25 02:06:03 PM
apeiron242: Rufus Lee King: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Yanks_RSJ: It was clearly a controlled demolition inside JFKs skull.

Actually, Chuck Norris blocked the bullet with his beard. JFK's head exploded in amazement.


also believable
 
2010-08-25 02:06:45 PM
Bartleby the Scrivener: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There's no way Oswald acted alone...

0/10. you just threw the lure into the water. there's no line attached to it.


Just stating my opinion.
 
2010-08-25 02:07:23 PM
I admittedly don't know a whole heck of a lot about the JFK conspiracy theory. However, there are a few more contemporary conspiracy theories that I put quite a lot of effort into learning about, mainly 9/11, chemtrail, and NWO conspiracy theories. I've probably seen every single 9/11 Truth documentary made between 2003 and 2008.

My conclusion from this has been that conspiracy theorists as a general class are retarded. As one academic put it they are "epistemologically crippled", intellectually unable to parse the value of evidence they are presented with and the strength of arguments.

If some day a massive NWO-type conspiracy does emerge from the political mist Alex Jonesians and Jeff Rensers will not be the ones to recognize it. They lack the essential critical thinking capacity to properly identify the limited range of things that do exist because they are overwhelmed by an ungoverned pattern recognition capacity to recognize things that don't exist, and a fear of second-guessing themselves for fear of being manipulated.

So official stories may be omissive, contain errors, etc. But the conspiracy theorist narrative is by far more riddled with error and omission by the nature of its construction.
 
2010-08-25 02:07:27 PM
Arcanum: \Sybarite: Spanky_McFarksalot:
/also don't believe that aliens crash landed in Roswell, the Moon Landing was faked, or that controlled explosions brought town the World Trade Center

you know, I probably will sound kinda kooky for saying this, but it is at least somewhat plausible to me that there were some controlled explosives in the Twin Towers and other huge buildings, just in case there was an emergency, such as Jihadist radicals flying jets into the buildings, to limit the causalities. The twin towers didn't fall straight down, but they fell straight-ish down. It would have been a worse disaster if they hadn't.

And if some kind of system like this was in place, in various huge buildings, that would justify some kind of conspiracy to keep that quiet, to prevent that system being misused.

Of course, the government competence and silence needed to make this a reality is simply unrealistic. And, no doubt, 9/11 was the work of Al Qaida, not the US Government. I just found that one aspect of the conspiracy theory to be less ridiculous than some I've heard, is all.


Yep, Kooky.
 
2010-08-25 02:08:27 PM
jj325: Kennedy wasn't killed in the original timeline. Unfortunately, in that timeline the USSR became increasingly angry about the failure to place missles in Cuba. Kennedy, feeling he had to play it tough because of the upcoming election, decided to settle things once and for all by invading Cuba in February of 1964. Things quickly turned ugly, and the Soviets invaded West Germany. A targeted nuclear exchange between the US and USSR then took place, wiping out Moscow, Leningrad, Washington and New York. The Chinese, seizing the opportunity with split second timing, immediately sent 50 million ground troops into the Soviet Union while simultaneously striking a crippled US west coast. Within days the US and USSR, their nuclear and communications capabilities hoplessly crippled, surrendered to the organized and massive Chinese army. By 2050 a group of historians understood that if the second invasion of Cuba could somehow be stopped this WW III would have never occurred. By poring over old news footage and accounts it was determined that an assasination of Kennedy in the months prior to the invasion would effectively change the course of history. In August of 2073 a viable, though crude, time machine was developed. Three men, who knew they were effectively assuring not only the destruction of themselves, but everything in the world they knew, were sent to Dallas in November of 1963 to kill JFK. The moment they shot the president they immediately disappeared, as they had changed the course of history.

Can I buy the film rights?
/Seriously, hit me up via email
 
2010-08-25 02:09:00 PM
KarmicDisaster: drongozone: Kennedy being killed was the second of three Masonic alchemical rituals to bring about syncretism in opposing principles in order to green Israel, rebuild the Temple of Solomon and establish a One World government.

1. Building/exploding the A-bomb
2. Kennedy (slaying of the Divine King)
3. Landing Masons on the Moon

/That is all

You'll derp your brain out, kid.


Derp this, junior.
You show a lack of curiosity. A better response would have been, "Say, drongozone, where the hell did you dig that up?" I think some people just throw the word "derp" around because they don;'t have anything to say. And following the popularity of using the word "derp" bandwagon.
 
2010-08-25 02:09:22 PM
img2.timeinc.net

Believes Oswald acted alone

/and3daywetkisses
 
2010-08-25 02:09:57 PM
Anybody who's been to Dealey Plaza knows the shot wasn't that much of a challenge, for someone who knows what they're doing.
 
2010-08-25 02:10:01 PM
 
2010-08-25 02:10:04 PM
You're all wrong it was john dillinger that shot kennedy.
/obscure?
 
2010-08-25 02:10:24 PM
ZipSplat: I admittedly don't know a whole heck of a lot about the JFK conspiracy theory. However, there are a few more contemporary conspiracy theories that I put quite a lot of effort into learning about, mainly 9/11, chemtrail, and NWO conspiracy theories. I've probably seen every single 9/11 Truth documentary made between 2003 and 2008.


oh god.. chemtrails. I love listening to those idiots.
 
2010-08-25 02:10:35 PM
apeiron242: Rufus Lee King: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Yanks_RSJ: It was clearly a controlled demolition inside JFKs skull.

Actually, Chuck Norris blocked the bullet with his beard. JFK's head exploded in amazement.


+1
 
2010-08-25 02:11:51 PM
Obviously none of you have seen the new documentary called Salt. It's narrated by Angelina Jolie and it clearly states that there was a plot by the Soviet Union and the actual assassin was an oswald impostor called Alek. You fools are uneducated and should get to the movies more. The Summer Documentary season is a real eyeopener.
 
2010-08-25 02:11:57 PM
I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll!
 
2010-08-25 02:13:00 PM
Sybarite- well controlled explosions did bring down the WTC. The explosions of jet airliner engines filled with fuel, but we take your meaning.
 
2010-08-25 02:13:08 PM
Coco LaFemme: Oswald was a Marine marksman. You mean to tell me he couldn't make that easy of a shot, when he had made perfect shots from farther distances? Come on.

Furthermore, if you play Connect The Dots with the bullet wounds and then track them all backward, you get the 6th floor window of the Texas Schoolbook Depository. That's where the shots came from. Not the grassy knoll, not in front of the car, not from the other side....from BEHIND. If someone really was shooting from the grassy knoll, don't you think the bullet would have passed through JFK's head and hit Jackie? By the time of the 3rd shot, their heads were pretty close together as he was leaning over toward her and she was leaning into him.

I know it's supposedly "cool" not to trust the government but there's been not one scintilla of evidence over the last 47 years that points to anyone other than Oswald having been the shooter. Conspiracy theories are not evidence, they aren't even interesting.


But we're asked to belive that despite there being not a single piece of paper found linking the alleged hijackers to 9/11, those guys did it.

From fbi.gov

The hijackers also left no paper trail. In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper either here in the U.S. or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere that mentioned any aspect of the September 11th plot.
 
2010-08-25 02:14:27 PM
Hungmung: You're all wrong it was john dillinger that shot kennedy.
/obscure?


No, but which John Dillinger?
 
2010-08-25 02:14:48 PM
I'll just leave this here for you conspiracy theorists

Back and to the left is correct, tards.
 
2010-08-25 02:15:05 PM
drongozone: KarmicDisaster: drongozone: Kennedy being killed was the second of three Masonic alchemical rituals to bring about syncretism in opposing principles in order to green Israel, rebuild the Temple of Solomon and establish a One World government.

1. Building/exploding the A-bomb
2. Kennedy (slaying of the Divine King)
3. Landing Masons on the Moon

/That is all

You'll derp your brain out, kid.

Derp this, junior.
You show a lack of curiosity. A better response would have been, "Say, drongozone, where the hell did you dig that up?" I think some people just throw the word "derp" around because they don;'t have anything to say. And following the popularity of using the word "derp" bandwagon.


NEWS: New word "derp" added to accepted internet phrases because of it's hilarious reference to the perceived mental retardation of the majority of people using the tubes

NOTNEWS: When words are added to internet lingo they get used commonly

FARK: people like to hate on this by referring to this phenomenon as some sort of bandwagon phrase that is uncool
 
2010-08-25 02:15:18 PM
While I posted my father's non-opinion earlier, the one tin foil hat story that I always enjoyed is that JFK was taking on the Reserve Bank, had already printed up new cash that was not "Federal Reserve" and was trying to take back the economy from private interests. That was why he was killed. Lord do I miss Chuck Harder and the enjoyment he provided. I know that bad things happened to you Chuck, but I miss your radio show. I miss you even more than Art Bell. Entertainment at its' best.
 
2010-08-25 02:15:38 PM
ZipSplat: I admittedly don't know a whole heck of a lot about the JFK conspiracy theory. However, there are a few more contemporary conspiracy theories that I put quite a lot of effort into learning about, mainly 9/11, chemtrail, and NWO conspiracy theories. I've probably seen every single 9/11 Truth documentary made between 2003 and 2008.

My conclusion from this has been that conspiracy theorists as a general class are retarded. As one academic put it they are "epistemologically crippled", intellectually unable to parse the value of evidence they are presented with and the strength of arguments.

If some day a massive NWO-type conspiracy does emerge from the political mist Alex Jonesians and Jeff Rensers will not be the ones to recognize it. They lack the essential critical thinking capacity to properly identify the limited range of things that do exist because they are overwhelmed by an ungoverned pattern recognition capacity to recognize things that don't exist, and a fear of second-guessing themselves for fear of being manipulated.

So official stories may be omissive, contain errors, etc. But the conspiracy theorist narrative is by far more riddled with error and omission by the nature of its construction.


It depends on the specific narrative. There is never one singular theory that all theorists subscribe to. I personally believe that there is a significant amount of missing information from both the "official" JFK assassination accounts and the 9/11 terrorist attack accounts, but I don't think thay makes me a retard.
 
2010-08-25 02:16:14 PM
The Zapruder film was heavily edited. There is a really good breakdown of it on YouTube showing all the problems with the released version of the film. Watch the film and notice at one point everyone in the car lurches forward violently all at the same time. This is because the Secret Service agent driving the car slammed on the brakes in the kill zone to allow the fatal shot the best chance of a direct hit. There is an edit where they take out the 2-3 seconds where the car was at a complete stop in the middle of the road but you still see everyone fall forward. Eye witnesses also reported that they saw the car stop completely and thought that was a very odd thing to happen while shots were being fired. Interesting thing to watch when it's broken down frame by frame.
 
2010-08-25 02:17:42 PM
While those of a criminal bent may engage in practices like contract murder to control lucrative garbage collection routes, construction contracts, prostitution or numbers on a local level, it's simply unthinkable that those in the political class could or would engage in similar behavior because...well just because...
 
2010-08-25 02:17:43 PM
It was Harry Coin, damn it.
 
2010-08-25 02:18:25 PM
 
2010-08-25 02:18:48 PM
The original Warren report was created to generate conspiracy theories as part of an economic stimulus package that would keep kooks writing and buying books. Obama planned this from a preschool Madras.
 
2010-08-25 02:19:14 PM
Badger: "A tiger got him..."



Obscure?


/Still waiting for an Almost Live complete seasons set to come out on DVD
 
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