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2010-08-25 11:40:17 AM
AERO'D
 
2010-08-25 11:43:34 AM
Open source is great.

It gives you the choice of releasing a completely inferior product if you'd rather not use the latest and greatest OS because your programmers don't understand it yet.

I mean really, who else would let you do that?
 
2010-08-25 11:44:19 AM
FTA: "Trying to sell a new phone with Android 1.5 is like trying to sell a new PC with Windows Me."

That's a pretty harsh metaphor right there.
 
2010-08-25 11:47:42 AM
pairof2s: FTA: "Trying to sell a new phone with Android 1.5 is like trying to sell a new PC with Windows Me."

That's a pretty harsh metaphor right there.


But completely appropriate. Windows 2.0 would also be a reasonable comparison.

What the hell was Dell thinking?
 
2010-08-25 11:47:47 AM
The Voice Actions voice-command system for 2.2 phones looks awesome.
 
2010-08-25 11:52:15 AM
fluffy2097: But completely appropriate.

Are you sure? My experience with ME was:
1)Use computer for 10 minutes
2)Bluescreen
3)Restart and repeat or give up

I have a hard time believing that Dell's new phone is that unstable.
 
2010-08-25 11:55:10 AM
Does it come in cute colors?
 
2010-08-25 11:59:19 AM
I'm guessing in about 10 minute someone will make Froyo available. Even so, WTF, Dell?
 
2010-08-25 12:00:54 PM
pairof2s: fluffy2097: But completely appropriate.

Are you sure? My experience with ME was:
1)Use computer for 10 minutes
2)Bluescreen
3)Restart and repeat or give up

I have a hard time believing that Dell's new phone is that unstable.


Sounds about right for using the browser on my G1 on 1.5 after a few months.

Thank god I was able to root and install cyanogenmod 5.0.8 on it. Now that I'm on a 2.1 variant things are quite stable. The friends I've upgraded to CM have also had similar experiences.

I love my android phone, but 1.5 was about as well designed as apples hockypuck mouse.
 
rmz
2010-08-25 12:04:03 PM
pairof2s: fluffy2097: But completely appropriate.

Are you sure? My experience with ME was:
1)Use computer for 10 minutes
2)Bluescreen
3)Restart and repeat or give up

I have a hard time believing that Dell's new phone is that unstable.


The one time I owned a Dell MP3 player I had to always keep a paperclip on hand because I had to force-restart that thing on a daily basis.
 
2010-08-25 12:06:15 PM
and the new Sony X10 and X10mini runs Android 1.6 (which is why I'm not buying them.. yet)

/waiting for someone to put Android on my Samsung Jet
 
2010-08-25 12:07:09 PM
Dell makes decent hardware and has excellent warranty service if you bother to pay for it.

In my experience they are also incompetent as programmers.
 
2010-08-25 12:07:21 PM
I am shocked, shocked that Dell would release such an inferior product.
 
2010-08-25 12:09:51 PM
fluffy2097: Sounds about right for using the browser on my G1 on 1.5 after a few months.

Thank god I was able to root and install cyanogenmod 5.0.8 on it. Now that I'm on a 2.1 variant things are quite stable. The friends I've upgraded to CM have also had similar experiences.

I love my android phone, but 1.5 was about as well designed as apples hockypuck mouse.


This. I thought my wife'd kill me if I screwed up her phone, but did it last weekend to rave reviews. Installation had some big bumps (like the endless reboot) and some nerves, but it works great now.
 
2010-08-25 12:11:38 PM
stucka: fluffy2097: Sounds about right for using the browser on my G1 on 1.5 after a few months.

Thank god I was able to root and install cyanogenmod 5.0.8 on it. Now that I'm on a 2.1 variant things are quite stable. The friends I've upgraded to CM have also had similar experiences.

I love my android phone, but 1.5 was about as well designed as apples hockypuck mouse.

This. I thought my wife'd kill me if I screwed up her phone, but did it last weekend to rave reviews. Installation had some big bumps (like the endless reboot) and some nerves, but it works great now.


You forgot to clear the cache didn't you.
 
2010-08-25 12:25:53 PM
stucka: fluffy2097: Sounds about right for using the browser on my G1 on 1.5 after a few months.

Thank god I was able to root and install cyanogenmod 5.0.8 on it. Now that I'm on a 2.1 variant things are quite stable. The friends I've upgraded to CM have also had similar experiences.

I love my android phone, but 1.5 was about as well designed as apples hockypuck mouse.

This. I thought my wife'd kill me if I screwed up her phone, but did it last weekend to rave reviews. Installation had some big bumps (like the endless reboot) and some nerves, but it works great now.


The difference between stock and cyanogenmod on the G1 is astounding.

Now I just reflashed the G1 with fresh cyanogenmod, and it's up for sale - got me at last my Nexus One, which updated itself OTA with froyo... delicious froyo...
 
2010-08-25 12:34:02 PM
I still have 1.5 on my HTC Hero with Telus.

I have tried rooting in three times but each time something goes wrong.


Fark Telus!
 
2010-08-25 12:43:52 PM
Fragmented OS is fragmented
/Google needs to strictly enforce mobile carriers and makers to put the lasted versions on phones
 
2010-08-25 12:44:37 PM
Will be a hit in Canada.

/most Android phones are 1.x here
 
2010-08-25 01:01:11 PM
Just bring back the Axim series, stuff a cellphone into a X50v and I'd buy a Dell again.
 
2010-08-25 01:01:25 PM
Windows_crest: Fragmented OS is fragmented
/Google needs to strictly enforce mobile carriers and makers to put the lasted versions on phones


morbowindmills.jpg

OPEN SOURCE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!!

Makers would be well-advised, obviously, to only load the most current. And carriers would be well-advised to only promote phones that are up their standards.
 
2010-08-25 01:15:19 PM
Still waiting for Froyo on my Incredible. I'm getting impatient.
 
2010-08-25 01:25:06 PM
Joliet_Jake: Still waiting for Froyo on my Incredible. I'm getting impatient.

Yeah, this is what I don't get. Why the fark can't you just plug your phone into a computer and update to the latest OS? The OTA upgrade process is completely farking stupid.

/iPhone 4 user
//Wanted to like Android, but just doesn't get the appeal after dealing with my in-laws POS Droid Eris
///Digs the other HTC hardware I've seen
 
2010-08-25 01:25:45 PM
nemoxnine: Windows_crest: Fragmented OS is fragmented
/Google needs to strictly enforce mobile carriers and makers to put the lasted versions on phones

morbowindmills.jpg

OPEN SOURCE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!!

Makers would be well-advised, obviously, to only load the most current. And carriers would be well-advised to only promote phones that are up their standards.


Because that has worked so well in the Linux Desktop world.
 
2010-08-25 01:26:52 PM
The OS itself is open-sourced, but I believe Google still licenses some of the core apps, most notably the Market, so they should still have some pull. It's just stupid for Dell to go halfway like this when it's one of their first devices.
 
2010-08-25 01:28:40 PM
Whoever thought putting Linux on a phone was a retard.

You: "X doesn't work!"

If you are running most current version of the OS (which is updated constantly) the response is "X is going to work in Y.z"

If you aren't running the most current version of the OS (which is updated constantly) the response is "Well, you are only running Y.v and you need Y.z".

Nevermind that updating the Android OS on your phone will almost certainly void the warranty if you purchased it from your carrier directly. And, it requires following obscure instructions on websites you've never heard of that often have disclaimers like, 'You might brick your phone'.

In theory, it all sounds great and open and useful. But, in practice, you are still stuck with the OS on your phone, which is almost certainly months or years behind the newest version of Android, and it's loaded with bugs and lacks basic features.

I bought a $400 dollar smart phone only to learn it didn't support Bluetooth in any meaningful way. Want to send contacts? Ha! Not supported.
 
2010-08-25 01:37:44 PM
fluffy2097: Windows 2.0 would also be a reasonable comparison.

Sure, let's declare that product with an 18-month-old OS release on it is no different than a product with a 10-year-old OS release on it, or a 23-year-old OS release on it.
 
2010-08-25 01:51:44 PM
pairof2s: fluffy2097: But completely appropriate.

Are you sure? My experience with ME was:
1)Use computer for 10 minutes
2)Bluescreen
3)Restart and repeat or give up

I have a hard time believing that Dell's new phone is that unstable.


I had ME on a computer for years and never had a problem or blue screen with it ever. Luck of the draw, I guess.
 
2010-08-25 01:51:49 PM
Electrify: Will be a hit in Canada.

/most Android phones are 1.x here


That's why most of the saavy users ordered the Nexus One when it was available.

I was not one of them. :\
 
2010-08-25 01:54:11 PM
poot_rootbeer: fluffy2097: Windows 2.0 would also be a reasonable comparison.

Sure, let's declare that product with an 18-month-old OS release on it is no different than a product with a 10-year-old OS release on it, or a 23-year-old OS release on it.


Your completely right. 1.5 is more like windows 1.0

/my mistake
 
2010-08-25 01:56:37 PM
alywa: Joliet_Jake: Still waiting for Froyo on my Incredible. I'm getting impatient.

Yeah, this is what I don't get. Why the fark can't you just plug your phone into a computer and update to the latest OS? The OTA upgrade process is completely farking stupid.

/iPhone 4 user
//Wanted to like Android, but just doesn't get the appeal after dealing with my in-laws POS Droid Eris
///Digs the other HTC hardware I've seen


The reason that the Incredible doesn't have 2.2 yet is because the HTC-only Sense UI runs on the top of the Android operating system, and they need to kajigger it into working.
 
2010-08-25 01:58:47 PM
Bah... That sucks... If I wanted obsolete tech I just go out and buy an ipad.
 
2010-08-25 01:59:26 PM
Fark_Guy_Rob: Whoever thought putting Linux on a phone was a retard.

You: "X doesn't work!"

If you are running most current version of the OS (which is updated constantly) the response is "X is going to work in Y.z"


Android phones don't run X and never will. It's a good thing. X is a horrible excuse for a piece of code.

/I think i might start a business updating people's G1's, since so many people seem unable to follow simple instructions.
 
2010-08-25 02:09:55 PM
I have an HTC Hero. It came with 1.5, but I updated to 2.1 as soon as I could. 1.5 was a nightmare even compared to my old WinMobile HTC Mogul.
 
2010-08-25 02:28:39 PM
fluffy2097: Fark_Guy_Rob: Whoever thought putting Linux on a phone was a retard.

You: "X doesn't work!"

If you are running most current version of the OS (which is updated constantly) the response is "X is going to work in Y.z"


Android phones don't run X and never will. It's a good thing. X is a horrible excuse for a piece of code.

/I think i might start a business updating people's G1's, since so many people seem unable to follow simple instructions.


[notsureifserious.jpg]
 
2010-08-25 02:40:54 PM
tomcatadam: Electrify: Will be a hit in Canada.

/most Android phones are 1.x here

That's why most of the saavy users ordered the Nexus One when it was available.

I was not one of them. :\


Ha! Savvy, I haz it.

I'm the proud owner of the "Nexus Last One". Srsly, my phone shipped on July 20th and on the 21st the message "Sorry folks, no more N1" appeared at google.com/phone.

I, however, live in constant fear that something ugly will happen to it, since it's about the only high-end HTC Android phone that is available with 3G on 850MHz and 1900MHz, which is what is used around here. That, and that it cost me an arm and a leg. And that it's so pretty. *Drool*.
 
2010-08-25 02:55:48 PM
2many280s: I have an HTC Hero. It came with 1.5, but I updated to 2.1 as soon as I could. 1.5 was a nightmare even compared to my old WinMobile HTC Mogul.

Heeeeelp meeeee
 
2010-08-25 03:04:55 PM
AWESOME, DUDE!!!!!
www.idealaunch.com
 
2010-08-25 03:05:16 PM
tomcatadam: Electrify: Will be a hit in Canada.

/most Android phones are 1.x here

That's why most of the saavy users ordered the Nexus One when it was available.

I was not one of them. :\

Get a Desire. SLCD screen, real buttons, no second mic, 64mb more ram. Otherwise pretty much the same phone. Can be rooted and ROMed in 4 hours by a fool like me, anyone who knows anythign should be able to do it in like 1.5.
Plus you can get one dirt cheap on contract if that's your thing.
 
2010-08-25 03:05:51 PM
Thinking about rooting my Nexus One...just to see what it's really capable of. Anybody have thoughts?
Also thinking about switching to the G2 when it comes out (rumored date is 9/29) but that really depends on what its capable of. Being T-mobiles first "4g phone" is definitely a good start.
 
2010-08-25 03:09:46 PM
Jpeg22: Thinking about rooting my Nexus One...just to see what it's really capable of. Anybody have thoughts?
Also thinking about switching to the G2 when it comes out (rumored date is 9/29) but that really depends on what its capable of. Being T-mobiles first "4g phone" is definitely a good start.


I rooted my Desire and have a overclocked ROM installed. I honestly can't tell the difference. It was fast, is still fast. I hear it's super easy to root an N1 though.
 
2010-08-25 03:34:29 PM
treesloth: I'm guessing in about 10 minute someone will make Froyo available. Even so, WTF, Dell?

yeah like, the original droid,?

ohh wait, 2.1 and 2.2 updates come out about as fast as christmas.
 
2010-08-25 03:51:31 PM
Windows_crest: Fragmented OS is fragmented
/Google needs to strictly enforce mobile carriers and makers to put the lasted versions on phones


That wouldn't be very open of them, now would it?

There's going to be shiat for apps until they do, or some specific device ends up with a majority of the android market.
 
2010-08-25 03:54:50 PM
i259.photobucket.com

But at least the string is USB 2.0 color.
 
2010-08-25 04:05:08 PM
CitizenjaQ:
Android phones don't run X and never will. It's a good thing. X is a horrible excuse for a piece of code.

/I think i might start a business updating people's G1's, since so many people seem unable to follow simple instructions.

[notsureifserious.jpg]


For those who didn't "get" that: This is the X in question.
 
2010-08-25 04:30:51 PM
rmz: The one time I owned a Dell MP3 player I had to always keep a paperclip on hand because I had to force-restart that thing on a daily basis.

Ah, yes. And the rocker switch that also had a center-detent push button that never worked exactly right. Brillian human interface design.
 
2010-08-25 04:38:05 PM
Ajanu: Jpeg22: Thinking about rooting my Nexus One...just to see what it's really capable of. Anybody have thoughts?
Also thinking about switching to the G2 when it comes out (rumored date is 9/29) but that really depends on what its capable of. Being T-mobiles first "4g phone" is definitely a good start.

I rooted my Desire and have a overclocked ROM installed. I honestly can't tell the difference. It was fast, is still fast. I hear it's super easy to root an N1 though.


It is. There's a one-click root app what doesn't touch the bootloader (so it does't void your warranty).
 
2010-08-25 04:39:35 PM
Obbi: AERO'D

www.danspalding.com
 
2010-08-25 04:41:24 PM
realDurandal: treesloth: I'm guessing in about 10 minute someone will make Froyo available. Even so, WTF, Dell?

yeah like, the original droid,?

ohh wait, 2.1 and 2.2 updates come out about as fast as christmas.


That's not really fair to lump all OTA updates with the mishaps of Android 2.1 push for the D1. And the Froyo update hit the OTA waves less than 3 months after the first builds were made available for the N1. Not to mention, the D1 leak builds had been available a month prior to the OTA.

All I'm saying is that you can't lump all OTA pushes together. Manufacturers/Carriers have different things they need to do to make the phones OTA-ready. The Droid X and it's Ninjablur, and the HTC line with it's Sense UI.

Neither of these things is the fault of the operating system, though.
 
2010-08-25 04:41:46 PM
APRIL 2009? OMG THAT TECHNOLOGY IS SO OLD. DOES IT HAVE A ROTARY DIAL AND A STRING ON THE END?

Get a farking grip.
 
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