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(Daily Mail)   A swastika the size of a tennis court is trampled into a German cornfield, commemorating the 1000-Ear Reich   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 88
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2010-08-24 09:48:25 PM
I just do Nazi this as a racist thing. They're probably just carving a maize
 
2010-08-24 09:50:58 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

minus

macrocosm.files.wordpress.com

equals

open.neurostechnology.com
 
2010-08-24 09:57:24 PM
phlegmmo: minus



equals


Bob Crane minus Crocodile Dundee equals (what the hell is that? A Corn-Nut?)

I so don't get that. Help here, please.
 
2010-08-24 11:07:02 PM
Colonel Hogan
Paul Hogan
........


/lame
 
2010-08-24 11:45:08 PM
I think I can see that corn's clitoris.
 
2010-08-24 11:46:14 PM
jaylectricity: I think I can see that corn's clitoris.

It's like a corny Georgia O'Keefe..
 
2010-08-24 11:56:11 PM
Somaticasual: jaylectricity: I think I can see that corn's clitoris.

It's like a corny Georgia O'Keefe..


So like, a Nebraska O'Keefe?
 
2010-08-25 12:20:14 AM
This shindig needs music...

img706.imageshack.us
 
2010-08-25 02:43:16 AM
t0.gstatic.com
 
2010-08-25 05:01:03 AM
Well, that's better than the swastika they planted:

i36.tinypic.com
 
2010-08-25 05:27:54 AM
FTFA: Authorities fear neo-Nazis trampled the crop in a field in Assling, Bavaria, to create the enormous symbol adopted by Adolf Hitler and his followers.

Oh, for fark's sake! Why the hell would neo-Nazi's bother with a cornfield? Where's the "sticking it to the lesser races" in that?

Jesus, German government, pull your heads out of your asses!
 
2010-08-25 05:33:46 AM
It is always Hitler, Nazi, SS?

Why not German Buddhists.
 
2010-08-25 05:34:34 AM
Nazis in 2010? "Follow your leader", boys.

greyfalcon.us
 
2010-08-25 05:34:55 AM
So would it be OK if they trampled the corn field into the shape of a cross?
No, the crime here is trampling someone's cornfield.
Stop the thought-crime laws.
 
2010-08-25 05:42:13 AM
Space Nazi's?!!

/panics
 
2010-08-25 05:48:56 AM
I love how they messed it up. would have been perfect if not for the lower 'leg'
Kinda describes the makers perfectly
 
2010-08-25 05:51:07 AM
clatl.com

Including neo-nazi rallies.
 
2010-08-25 05:54:48 AM
I don't know, I think it was done by a bunch of rogue Buddhist monks.
 
2010-08-25 05:56:41 AM
It's a windmill

img830.imageshack.us
 
2010-08-25 05:58:45 AM
If the Nazi party is the national socialist party, why is it considered right wing?
 
2010-08-25 06:02:36 AM
Nazi aliens? Paging Dr. Jones...
 
2010-08-25 06:11:38 AM
The swastika was trampled at the approach to the Antersberg airport runway where there was an airshow going on that weekend with around 10,000 visitors...several of whom would have taken the €50 barnstorming ride. So basically a practical joke but Kraut politicians are required by law to foam at the mouth anytime there's a swastika spray-painted on a wall somewhere.
 
2010-08-25 06:18:55 AM
What the...? That's no German cornfield, that's in Bavaria. Learn to differentiate, subby!
 
2010-08-25 06:29:14 AM
trixter_nl: If the Nazi party is the national socialist party, why is it considered right wing?

If the PDRK is the People's Democratic Republic of Korea, why is it considered a communist dictatorship?

Where a party lies on the political spectrum comes from actions, not names.
 
2010-08-25 06:46:25 AM
Ebbelwoi: The swastika was trampled at the approach to the Antersberg airport runway where there was an airshow going on that weekend with around 10,000 visitors...several of whom would have taken the €50 barnstorming ride. So basically a practical joke but Kraut politicians are required by law to foam at the mouth anytime there's a swastika spray-painted on a wall somewhere.

Brilliant!
 
2010-08-25 06:55:17 AM
Hominy more must die?
 
2010-08-25 07:31:21 AM
phlegmmo: Colonel Hogan
Paul Hogan
........


/lame


Colonel Hogan - Paul Hogan = Colonel Paul
 
2010-08-25 07:33:43 AM
"Nein, nein, dummkopf! I said 'you need to trample on the ears of COHEN!'"
 
2010-08-25 07:39:50 AM
haddie: trixter_nl: If the Nazi party is the national socialist party, why is it considered right wing?

If the PDRK is the People's Democratic Republic of Korea, why is it considered a communist dictatorship?

Where a party lies on the political spectrum comes from actions, not names.


False.

To answer the question: Nazis are considered right wing, because the Left wants to re-write history. In the 1930s: the Left loved the Fascist and the Nazis. Time Magazine fawned over Hitler, and made him Man of the Year twice. Now they want to disown them, so they claim they're right wing.

The Nazis wanted a government without constitutional limitations, redistributing income, and with a set of special privileges for the preferred race: exactly like American Democrats today.

Read "Mein Kampf". Putting aside the militarism; Hitler's politics are mainstream Lefty. -all about class envy, hating the rich/educated and income redistribution.
 
2010-08-25 07:43:51 AM
Little.Alex:

In the 1930s: the Left loved the Fascist and the Nazis. Time Magazine fawned over Hitler, and made him Man of the Year twice.


In all fairness, you have to admit, the dude accomplished a lot.
 
2010-08-25 07:56:25 AM
So, what was the plan once the alotted thousand years were up? Pack-up lads, show's over.
 
2010-08-25 07:58:54 AM
Little.Alex:
False.

To answer the question: Nazis are considered right wing, because the Left wants to re-write history. In the 1930s: the Left loved the Fascist and the Nazis. Time Magazine fawned over Hitler, and made him Man of the Year twice. Now they want to disown them, so they claim they're right wing.

The Nazis wanted a government without constitutional limitations, redistributing income, and with a set of special privileges for the preferred race: exactly like American Democrats today.

Read "Mein Kampf". Putting aside the militarism; Hitler's politics are mainstream Lefty. -all about class envy, hating the rich/educated and income redistribution.


False.

As absolutely any political scientist will tell you, what you just said was absolute bullshiat.

From the first few sentences of wikipedia (which I realize isn't a political scientist, but does reference its points and with such a topic as Nazism makes sure that nobody knowingly alters it crazily): "Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics."
 
2010-08-25 07:59:32 AM
Little.Alex: haddie: trixter_nl: If the Nazi party is the national socialist party, why is it considered right wing?

If the PDRK is the People's Democratic Republic of Korea, why is it considered a communist dictatorship?

Where a party lies on the political spectrum comes from actions, not names.

False.

To answer the question: Nazis are considered right wing, because the Left wants to re-write history. In the 1930s: the Left loved the Fascist and the Nazis. Time Magazine fawned over Hitler, and made him Man of the Year twice. Now they want to disown them, so they claim they're right wing.

The Nazis wanted a government without constitutional limitations, redistributing income, and with a set of special privileges for the preferred race: exactly like American Democrats today.

Read "Mein Kampf". Putting aside the militarism; Hitler's politics are mainstream Lefty. -all about class envy, hating the rich/educated and income redistribution.


Wow, that is seriously farked up. Who is rewriting history here? Hitler was never left - always was for a feudal division, never for a classless society or the abolishment of capitalism.
All you want to do is make Democrats into Hitlers. Farked up.
 
2010-08-25 08:05:35 AM
Begoggle: So would it be OK if they trampled the corn field into the shape of a cross?
No, the crime here is trampling someone's cornfield.
Stop the thought-crime laws.


You know in Germany, Nazism and any Nazi symbology is illegal, yeah?
 
2010-08-25 08:07:17 AM
Little.Alex: Time Magazine fawned over Hitler, and made him Man of the Year twice. Now they want to disown them, so they claim they're right wing.

"Time's Man/Person of the Year"

George W. Bush: 2000 and 2004.
Rudolph Giuliani: 2001.
Newt Gingrich: 1995.
George H. W. Bush: 1990.
Ronald Reagan: 1980 and 1983.
Richard Nixon: 1971 and 1972.
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 1944 and 1959.
Charles Lindbergh (a right-wing Nazi sympathizer): 1927.

You're right. They're all a bunch of super duper lefties. Anyone who could get on the Time's Person of the Year list twice must be a leftist Nazi.
 
2010-08-25 08:12:25 AM
haddie: trixter_nl: If the Nazi party is the national socialist party, why is it considered right wing?

If the PDRK is the People's Democratic Republic of Korea, why is it considered a communist dictatorship?

Where a party lies on the political spectrum comes from actions, not names.


NAZI government, lead by a dictator, murdered an unknown amount of people, anyone who disagrees with the government gets investigated and thrown into jail, wanted to control everything in the country (corporations, religion, your personal life)

PDRK government, lead by a dictator, murdering an unknown amount of people, anyone who disagrees with the government gets investigated and thrown into jail, controls everything in the country (corporations, religion, your personal life)

Yup, Their actions are very different.
 
2010-08-25 08:12:45 AM
assling? LOL.
 
2010-08-25 08:12:59 AM
Little.Alex: haddie: trixter_nl: If the Nazi party is the national socialist party, why is it considered right wing?

If the PDRK is the People's Democratic Republic of Korea, why is it considered a communist dictatorship?

Where a party lies on the political spectrum comes from actions, not names.

False.

To answer the question: Nazis are considered right wing, because the Left wants to re-write history. In the 1930s: the Left loved the Fascist and the Nazis. Time Magazine fawned over Hitler, and made him Man of the Year twice. Now they want to disown them, so they claim they're right wing.

The Nazis wanted a government without constitutional limitations, redistributing income, and with a set of special privileges for the preferred race: exactly like American Democrats today.

Read "Mein Kampf". Putting aside the militarism; Hitler's politics are mainstream Lefty. -all about class envy, hating the rich/educated and income redistribution.


You know, I didn't know it was possible to pull off a Godwin in this kind of a thread, but by golly, you did.
 
2010-08-25 08:17:04 AM
New term for the day found in the article "drunken yobs" . Plan to use this several times today in polite conversation.

As I found out - yob is a slang term for an uncouth or thuggish working-class person

/The more you know
 
2010-08-25 08:17:05 AM
portscanner: haddie: trixter_nl: If the Nazi party is the national socialist party, why is it considered right wing?

If the PDRK is the People's Democratic Republic of Korea, why is it considered a communist dictatorship?

Where a party lies on the political spectrum comes from actions, not names.

NAZI government, lead by a dictator, murdered an unknown amount of people, anyone who disagrees with the government gets investigated and thrown into jail, wanted to control everything in the country (corporations, religion, your personal life)

PDRK government, lead by a dictator, murdering an unknown amount of people, anyone who disagrees with the government gets investigated and thrown into jail, controls everything in the country (corporations, religion, your personal life)

Yup, Their actions are very different.


Sounds like most European monarchies through history to me. Are you going to tell us that Ivan the Terrible was a communist? How about Queen Elizabeth the First or Queen Mary? Charles IX of France?
 
2010-08-25 08:20:54 AM
wodka:
Little.Alex:
To answer the question: Nazis are considered right wing, because the Left wants to re-write history. In the 1930s: the Left loved the Fascist and the Nazis. Time Magazine fawned over Hitler, and made him Man of the Year twice. Now they want to disown them, so they claim they're right wing.


All you want to do is make Democrats into Hitlers. Farked up.

wodka, Modern American Nazis don't wear swastikas because nearly all Americans recognize that as evil.

They wear Red, White, and Blue -- Stars and Stripes.
 
2010-08-25 08:22:47 AM
portscanner: Yup, Their actions are very different.

Just because you can find similarities between two systems doesn't mean the systems are identical. That comparison is completely disingenuous.
 
2010-08-25 08:24:26 AM
Little.Alex: haddie: trixter_nl: If the Nazi party is the national socialist party, why is it considered right wing?

If the PDRK is the People's Democratic Republic of Korea, why is it considered a communist dictatorship?

Where a party lies on the political spectrum comes from actions, not names.

False.

To answer the question: Nazis are considered right wing, because the Left wants to re-write history. In the 1930s: the Left loved the Fascist and the Nazis. Time Magazine fawned over Hitler, and made him Man of the Year twice. Now they want to disown them, so they claim they're right wing.

The Nazis wanted a government without constitutional limitations, redistributing income, and with a set of special privileges for the preferred race: exactly like American Democrats today.

Read "Mein Kampf". Putting aside the militarism; Hitler's politics are mainstream Lefty. -all about class envy, hating the rich/educated and income redistribution.


Trolling asides, Fascism had features that would map to both the left and the right. So stop trying to fit it into modern American politics. It's stupid and ignorant.
 
2010-08-25 08:24:37 AM
Little.Alex:
To answer the question: Nazis are considered right wing, because the Left wants to re-write history.


Nazis are considered left-wing, by you, because you read or heard of a book written by a giant fatbag columnist who needed Cheesecake Factory money.
 
2010-08-25 08:31:19 AM
The essence of National Socialism was that the "NATION" ie: the "real" German people (much like the "real" American people but with longer history of living in the "homeland") owned all the resources of the country.

Resources like Air and Water.

So when the "other" non-homelanders were living off those resources, say Jews (or Mexicans -- Mexicans would have worked if there had been any in Germany), they were stealing from the "Homeland" and thus inherently criminals simply by living there.
 
2010-08-25 08:39:26 AM
Ear-Reich - My Eye!
 
2010-08-25 08:43:45 AM
haddie: Little.Alex:
False.

To answer the question: Nazis are considered right wing, because the Left wants to re-write history. In the 1930s: the Left loved the Fascist and the Nazis. Time Magazine fawned over Hitler, and made him Man of the Year twice. Now they want to disown them, so they claim they're right wing.

The Nazis wanted a government without constitutional limitations, redistributing income, and with a set of special privileges for the preferred race: exactly like American Democrats today.

Read "Mein Kampf". Putting aside the militarism; Hitler's politics are mainstream Lefty. -all about class envy, hating the rich/educated and income redistribution.

False.

As absolutely any political scientist will tell you, what you just said was absolute bullshiat.

From the first few sentences of wikipedia (which I realize isn't a political scientist, but does reference its points and with such a topic as Nazism makes sure that nobody knowingly alters it crazily): "Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics."


well that settles it. not really. some facts would be nice.

Isn't right or left untimatly decided by what domestic policy they implement (economic and social)? I'd like to get a look at what their domestic policies were like before the war. because when war starts everything goes to hell, our nice president threw our Japanese and German citizens into concentration camps that thought enough about this country that they were willing to die for it after all. maybe we were more alike than we care to remember. at the same time we had a whole race of humans we called blacks living a caste below us. so where were we on this wiki ideological scale? almost as far right as the nazi's but not quite as right since we didn't gas our problems away? but how can social social stratification and division and subjugation be a form of right wing politics? socialists practice that as well?

anyway wiki doesn't say shiat really except for the usual stuff everyone already knows. maybe I'll get a book. I gotta go to bed. somethings tells me they were all opportunists.
 
2010-08-25 08:45:26 AM
haddie: Little.Alex: Time Magazine fawned over Hitler, and made him Man of the Year twice. Now they want to disown them, so they claim they're right wing.

"Time's Man/Person of the Year"

George W. Bush: 2000 and 2004.
Rudolph Giuliani: 2001.
Newt Gingrich: 1995.
George H. W. Bush: 1990.
Ronald Reagan: 1980 and 1983.
Richard Nixon: 1971 and 1972.
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 1944 and 1959.
Charles Lindbergh (a right-wing Nazi sympathizer): 1927.

You're right. They're all a bunch of super duper lefties. Anyone who could get on the Time's Person of the Year list twice must be a leftist Nazi.


I don't say Hitler is a Lefty because Time wrote about him. I just mentioned the Time thing to point out that, until the war started, he wasn't viewed as a maniac.

I say Hitler was a typical Socialist, because he was. Read the Time interview with him. Read his own writings on politics and capitalism.

I have to laugh when I hear people try to switch Hitler and Mao and Stalin to the Religious Right. It's laughable. (Like when Democrats fawn over JFK; who was politically Right of Reagan. They wouldn't let him in their convention today.)

Hitler and Stalin were both committed socialists: that's why they became allies against the 'Capitalist West'. The disagreement was over the Soviet invasion of Finland and Romanian Oil, and Hitler's dream of re-enacting World War One. On Socialism: Hitler and Stalin agreed.

The term "national socialist" is a explicit rejection of the Soviet "International Socialist movement" -which Hitler saw as submitting to becoming a satellite of Moscow (like Cuba.) humm a few bars of "the Internationale" and you'll get the idea. Hitler wanted a Socialist movement that left Germany politically independent - a National Socialist Party.

Read his book. It's not a secret. Some people just wish it was.

Mein Kampf is full of biatching about Capitalists, and anybody who is too educated to work with their hands. That's a big part of his biatch about the Joos: their cultural emphasis on education. (plus one of them probably knocked up his granny)

Hitler spent the years before WWI painting postcards, and selling them to tourists on the streets of Munich. Exactly like the guys you see in San Francisco today. "Brown Shirts" refers to factory workers, just like "Blue collar" does in America today. The point being that you can't wear white if you do manual labor. A street artist, who gets involved with the labor movement, and has his political meetings in beer halls: hardly a Rich Capitalist.

1930 politics don't align very well with politics today, so it's a little hard to draw direct comparisons. What we call the Political Right really didn't exist. The entire politcal spectrum was shifting Left, away from Capitalism -which was seen as a gross failure during the Great Depression. Few people were demanding smaller government in 1934. And there was certainly no idea that Socialist countries couldn't make war on other socialists: that's a idea that didn't surface until the Cold War. (Although China and the USSR had a number of skirmishes on their border.)

The guy you Lefites should be trying to disown is Mao. He had the biggest body count. Why don't you re-write him into a Capitalist?
 
2010-08-25 08:52:32 AM
Little.Alex:
The guy you Lefites should be trying to disown is Mao. He had the biggest body count. Why don't you re-write him into a Capitalist?


You are a staggering troll.
 
2010-08-25 08:52:50 AM
People, people, can we please focus on the REAL issue at hand here? This happened in Assling, Bavaria. Best/worst town name ever? Discuss.
 
2010-08-25 09:10:04 AM
Assling, located around the bend from Ballsley.
 
2010-08-25 09:11:15 AM
www.cabinetmagazine.org

Do not approve.
 
2010-08-25 09:11:18 AM
 
2010-08-25 09:12:50 AM
haddie: You are a staggering troll.

'Ey,'ey, quit 'assling the troll, 'e's funny!

/sorry couldn't 'elp myself
 
2010-08-25 09:20:24 AM
IURyan: People, people, can we please focus on the REAL issue at hand here? This happened in Assling, Bavaria. Best/worst town name ever? Discuss.

Farking Austria wants a word... (new window)

bonus points for list of other amusing locales
 
2010-08-25 09:20:31 AM
haddie: Little.Alex:
The guy you Lefites should be trying to disown is Mao. He had the biggest body count. Why don't you re-write him into a Capitalist?

You are a staggering troll.


Your only rebuttal to a well reasoned argument is to call him as troll?

Who is the real troll here?
 
2010-08-25 09:20:51 AM
haddie: You are a staggering troll.

I think his point is that Democrats are COMMUNIST NAZIS and are therefore teh worst.

We must vote Republican so we can truely irradicate the authoritarian elements from our USA.
 
2010-08-25 09:21:33 AM
You can read Mein Kampf here if anyone is interested. I tried once, but it's incredibly boring.

The total count for the words capitalist, capitalists, capitalism and capitalistic is 8.
 
2010-08-25 09:22:40 AM
OhioKnight: wodka, Modern American Nazis don't wear swastikas because nearly all Americans recognize that as evil.

They wear Red, White, and Blue -- Stars and Stripes.


i38.tinypic.com

Why can't Obama make up his mind? Before he was elected he was a communist, after the election he was a Marxist. Now, he's decided he wants to be a Nazi. He flip flops more than Kerry.
 
2010-08-25 09:24:15 AM
A swastika the size of a tennis court? Amateurs. They've got nothing on the US Navy:

i35.tinypic.com
 
2010-08-25 09:26:03 AM
The swastika is so perfectly aligned that authorities believe they are dealing with hard-core neo-Nazis, rather than drunken yobs.

Hard-core neo-Nazis ... trampling some corn?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2010-08-25 09:37:05 AM
Just for the record, most histories of the NSDAP (the Nazi Party) and of Nazi Germany will note that while the Party had a more "socialist" wing, once the Party took control, Hitler de-emphasized that because he needed wealthy industrialists on his side - as it turned out, for the war he was already planning.
 
2010-08-25 10:14:16 AM
i came to this thread to stalk down puns, i don't see many ear, but a few seeds.
 
2010-08-25 10:33:23 AM
Liquid lunch:
The total count for the words capitalist, capitalists, capitalism and capitalistic is 8.


What does that lead you to conclude?
 
2010-08-25 10:34:50 AM
Little.Alex: The guy you Lefites should be trying to disown is Mao. He had the biggest body count.

No, that would be Ghenghis Khan.
 
2010-08-25 11:16:57 AM
Fapinator: Just for the record, most histories of the NSDAP (the Nazi Party) and of Nazi Germany will note that while the Party had a more "socialist" wing, once the Party took control, Hitler de-emphasized that because he needed wealthy industrialists on his side - as it turned out, for the war he was already planning.

www.n3o.co.uk

YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!!
 
2010-08-25 11:25:02 AM
pix.motivatedphotos.com
 
2010-08-25 11:31:05 AM
Yakk: Space Nazi's?!!

/panics


It's more likely than you think...

blog.starwreck.com
www.iwatchstuff.com
farm4.static.flickr.com
techpark.lt
 
2010-08-25 12:03:22 PM
Krumet:
Your only rebuttal to a well reasoned argument is to call him as troll?

Who is the real troll here?


The one who assumes that purposefully distorting the truth and using incredibly faulty logic is a "well reasoned argument".

There is a certain point where you have to call a troll a troll. He is one, and therefore it is clear it would be futile to attempt to prove him wrong.

Look at the list of American fascist supporters from the 30's and early 40's (or now, for that matter) and see what they have in common. If what you come up is "communists", I'll throw you a pizza party. (Hint: Try researching Prescott Sheldon Bush, Henry Ford, Thomas J. Watson, Charles Lindbergh, James Mooney, James A. Colescott, etc.)
 
2010-08-25 12:26:50 PM
haddie: Krumet:
Your only rebuttal to a well reasoned argument is to call him as troll?

Who is the real troll here?

The one who assumes that purposefully distorting the truth and using incredibly faulty logic is a "well reasoned argument".

There is a certain point where you have to call a troll a troll. He is one, and therefore it is clear it would be futile to attempt to prove him wrong.

Look at the list of American fascist supporters from the 30's and early 40's (or now, for that matter) and see what they have in common. If what you come up is "communists", I'll throw you a pizza party. (Hint: Try researching Prescott Sheldon Bush, Henry Ford, Thomas J. Watson, Charles Lindbergh, James Mooney, James A. Colescott, etc.)


here's the big connection to grandfather bush from your link:
"While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.
Bush was also on the board of at least one of the companies that formed part of a multinational network of front companies to allow Thyssen to move assets around the world."

wow he was some f*cking facist supporter, wasn't he? so if I'm reading this right, he was the director of a company on which another guy sat who had stock in a company that was in Nazi germany. WTF.

On the other hand during this same time frame Joe Kennedy was such an admirer of the Nazis that while he was an ambassador to Great Britain he resigned his post and publicly urged FDR not to come to the UK's aid in the event of German invasion. Kennedy even testified against lend lease in congress that basically kept the UK and Soviets going. Now that's real big time Nazi support right there asshole. be sure to link Joe Kennedy next time you trot out this shiat.

http://www.gwu.edu/~erpapers/mep/displaydoc.cfm?docid=erpn-jpk
Link (new window)
 
2010-08-25 12:30:12 PM
Okay, look. It's real simple. There are two axes of political inclination. Left/Right, and Authoritarian/Libertarian. The Left/Right axis has to do with your view on economic matters and the role of business regulation. At the extreme Left, the state controls industry and commerce, a the extreme Right, laissez-faire rules. On the Authoritarian/Libertarian axis, you have the relationship between the individual persons and the state-- Authoritarian governments place the state above the rights of the individual, and Libertarian states grant more freedom to their citizens.

Hitler was a moderate on the Left/Right scales. I think he may even be Left of Obama, but that's only because the Right-wing of American politics has moved the goal posts for what counts as a moderate (our "Lefties" are pretty right-of-center these days). Hitler was, however, a raging Authoritarian.

And THAT's why us American liberals compare the conservative movement to Hitler, and Stalin (who was far Left, yes), and Mao, and Pol Pot. It's not the Left/Right divide, but the Authoritarian principles which practically every neo-con and right-winger follows. A far Left Authoritarian would be just as bad, yes, but we just don't have those in this country. The Right is doing everything they can to be synonymous with Authoritarianism these days. And that's the biggest problem I have with them (regardless of my own left-of-center ideals).

Link (new window)
 
2010-08-25 12:39:22 PM
made me chortle, subby
+1
 
2010-08-25 12:40:29 PM
SwissArmyGnome: Okay, look. It's real simple. There are two axes of political inclination. Left/Right, and Authoritarian/Libertarian. The Left/Right axis has to do with your view on economic matters and the role of business regulation. At the extreme Left, the state controls industry and commerce, a the extreme Right, laissez-faire rules. On the Authoritarian/Libertarian axis, you have the relationship between the individual persons and the state-- Authoritarian governments place the state above the rights of the individual, and Libertarian states grant more freedom to their citizens.

Hitler was a moderate on the Left/Right scales. I think he may even be Left of Obama, but that's only because the Right-wing of American politics has moved the goal posts for what counts as a moderate (our "Lefties" are pretty right-of-center these days). Hitler was, however, a raging Authoritarian.

And THAT's why us American liberals compare the conservative movement to Hitler, and Stalin (who was far Left, yes), and Mao, and Pol Pot. It's not the Left/Right divide, but the Authoritarian principles which practically every neo-con and right-winger follows. A far Left Authoritarian would be just as bad, yes, but we just don't have those in this country. The Right is doing everything they can to be synonymous with Authoritarianism these days. And that's the biggest problem I have with them (regardless of my own left-of-center ideals).

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broad sweeping generalizations make you an ass every time. The same can be said about the left with their environmental and tax policies...
 
2010-08-25 12:59:01 PM
Maul555:
broad sweeping generalizations make you an ass every time. The same can be said about the left with their environmental and tax policies...


What?? That the Left prefers environmental policies and stronger tax policies? That's not a generalization, that's what "Left" MEANS! Those of us on the left of the political spectrum favor government regulation of commerce and industry, yes!

But the Right still strongly favors Authoritarianism (aka Fascism) in addition to their actual "right-wing" philosophies. And that's why we call them Nazis.
 
2010-08-25 01:00:31 PM
SwissArmyGnome: Okay, look. It's real simple. There are two axes of political inclination. Left/Right, and Authoritarian/Libertarian. The Left/Right axis has to do with your view on economic matters and the role of business regulation. At the extreme Left, the state controls industry and commerce, a the extreme Right, laissez-faire rules. On the Authoritarian/Libertarian axis, you have the relationship between the individual persons and the state-- Authoritarian governments place the state above the rights of the individual, and Libertarian states grant more freedom to their citizens.

Hitler was a moderate on the Left/Right scales. I think he may even be Left of Obama, but that's only because the Right-wing of American politics has moved the goal posts for what counts as a moderate (our "Lefties" are pretty right-of-center these days). Hitler was, however, a raging Authoritarian.

And THAT's why us American liberals compare the conservative movement to Hitler, and Stalin (who was far Left, yes), and Mao, and Pol Pot. It's not the Left/Right divide, but the Authoritarian principles which practically every neo-con and right-winger follows. A far Left Authoritarian would be just as bad, yes, but we just don't have those in this country. The Right is doing everything they can to be synonymous with Authoritarianism these days. And that's the biggest problem I have with them (regardless of my own left-of-center ideals).

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oh not that stupid f*cking thing. what would you people do without that crutch?
listen, I'm less authoritarian than you probably are and I'm pretty hard right wing. I don't want your co2 legislation telling people what they can drive, your bureaucratic red tape slowing down the economy, your gun control laws mucking up the bill of rights, or the patriot act doing whatever the hell it does, and I don't give a flip if the gays get married, or if they build the mosque on that land they own near ground zero. and if it wasn't for the people you leftwingers elect all the time (democrats) none of these authoritarian laws could ever be passed btw. they love that shiat just as much as the repubs. as the republicans showed, it takes two to tango. every big city in this country is pretty god damn authoritarian and you all own those. please. your delusional man.

you just want what you think people should do for the greater good and you call that liberty, and for the good of fellow man, and for the good of mother earth, and all tha jazz. and on the other side you have people that look at it like, well f*ck, that babies alive, why can't she just have an adoption, that's murder, I'm protecting life here. and why can't the gays just have civil unions and we keep marriage between a man and a woman like the bible says, like my religion says? they are taking my liberity!
and you think they are taking someones liberty, and they think you are taking someones liberity/life and yet your gonna pull out that stupid f*cking chart that says yeah, look I'm right. facebook says I'm right...

I'd stay and chat but I really gotta go to bed. later
 
2010-08-25 01:04:39 PM
sorry I know that makes harldy no sense probably. shouldn't have even tried...
 
2010-08-25 01:50:01 PM
The Nazis where all a bunch mega losers. Why these retards idolize them is beyond me.
 
2010-08-25 02:11:26 PM
SwissArmyGnome: Okay, look. It's real simple. There are two axes of political inclination. Left/Right, and Authoritarian/Libertarian. The Left/Right axis has to do with your view on economic matters and the role of business regulation. At the extreme Left, the state controls industry and commerce, a the extreme Right, laissez-faire rules. On the Authoritarian/Libertarian axis, you have the relationship between the individual persons and the state-- Authoritarian governments place the state above the rights of the individual, and Libertarian states grant more freedom to their citizens.

Hitler was a moderate on the Left/Right scales. I think he may even be Left of Obama, but that's only because the Right-wing of American politics has moved the goal posts for what counts as a moderate (our "Lefties" are pretty right-of-center these days). Hitler was, however, a raging Authoritarian.

And THAT's why us American liberals compare the conservative movement to Hitler, and Stalin (who was far Left, yes), and Mao, and Pol Pot. It's not the Left/Right divide, but the Authoritarian principles which practically every neo-con and right-winger follows. A far Left Authoritarian would be just as bad, yes, but we just don't have those in this country. The Right is doing everything they can to be synonymous with Authoritarianism these days. And that's the biggest problem I have with them (regardless of my own left-of-center ideals).

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good point, but it still doesn't avoid idiots on either the left to right axis mixing up the auth/lib axis

one of these days i should take one of those tests, and play with perverting the results
 
2010-08-25 02:13:25 PM
SwissArmyGnome: Maul555:
broad sweeping generalizations make you an ass every time. The same can be said about the left with their environmental and tax policies...

What?? That the Left prefers environmental policies and stronger tax policies? That's not a generalization, that's what "Left" MEANS! Those of us on the left of the political spectrum favor government regulation of commerce and industry, yes!

But the Right still strongly favors Authoritarianism (aka Fascism) in addition to their actual "right-wing" philosophies. And that's why we call them Nazis.


do you mean historically, or in the current perspective?
 
2010-08-25 02:15:05 PM
relcec: haddie: Krumet:
wow he was some f*cking facist supporter, wasn't he? so if I'm reading this right, he was the director of a company on which another guy sat who had stock in a company that was in Nazi germany. WTF.

So, you're attempting to discredit my entire point because one of the people I pointed out to be a fascist supporter didn't outright say "I love fascism"? What about the others, then? What about du Pont and the other known members of The Business Plot?

Let's say for the sake of argument that he wasn't pro-fascism. Please refute the others, instead of trying to throw out a red herring against the whole point, which was pointing out right-wing business leaders with ties to, or direct involvement in, fascist activities. To claim it was anywhere close to "communism" or that Nazism/Fascism was supported by people who are far-left is about as stupid as one can get.
 
2010-08-25 02:46:46 PM
 
2010-08-25 04:00:26 PM
loonatic112358: SwissArmyGnome: Maul555:
broad sweeping generalizations make you an ass every time. The same can be said about the left with their environmental and tax policies...

What?? That the Left prefers environmental policies and stronger tax policies? That's not a generalization, that's what "Left" MEANS! Those of us on the left of the political spectrum favor government regulation of commerce and industry, yes!

But the Right still strongly favors Authoritarianism (aka Fascism) in addition to their actual "right-wing" philosophies. And that's why we call them Nazis.

do you mean historically, or in the current perspective?


Currently. Look at the issues that the conservative channels are telling us are important. The building of mosques, national security, opposing gay marriage and abortions. These are all issues of how much power the state has over the individual, and practically every public figure in American conservative politics is siding with the state on these.

Sure, there are calls for fiscal responsibility, which is actually a politically "right" concern. Even as a left-winger I can respect that, and am willing to compromise. But the authoritarian bent of the conservative movement seems to make them unwilling to compromise, and invites them to use dirty tactics against their "enemies".
 
2010-08-25 06:24:26 PM
Little.Alex: haddie: trixter_nl: If the Nazi party is the national socialist party, why is it considered right wing?

If the PDRK is the People's Democratic Republic of Korea, why is it considered a communist dictatorship?

Where a party lies on the political spectrum comes from actions, not names.

False.

To answer the question: Nazis are considered right wing, because the Left wants to re-write history. In the 1930s: the Left loved the Fascist and the Nazis. Time Magazine fawned over Hitler, and made him Man of the Year twice. Now they want to disown them, so they claim they're right wing.

The Nazis wanted a government without constitutional limitations, redistributing income, and with a set of special privileges for the preferred race: exactly like American Democrats today.

Read "Mein Kampf". Putting aside the militarism; Hitler's politics are mainstream Lefty. -all about class envy, hating the rich/educated and income redistribution.


So republicans are leftists as well? How about this: few or no poltical parties or movements can be characterized as purely "left or "right." Such limited distinctions only serve to chart a single aspect or plank of any movement, and usually don't even do that very well. They really serve more as stupid talking points for clueless idiots and liars, like yourself.

There was some admiration of Hitler from a variety of people, especially early on in his rule. Or else I suppose Henry Ford and Randolph Hearst are liberals now? How about fan, banker, and financial supporter Prescott Bush? George Bush's grandpa was a raging liberal to your demented mind, I suppose. Most of Hitler's big fans among the working classes were conservative German Americans who saw him as fighting against "Jewish communism"! Hitler was funded and backed, at least in the beginning, by American and German CAPITALISTS, and was opposed the the "red" revolution of Russia.

And you have the nerve, you slimy, lying sack of dogshiat, to accuse "the left" (whoever the hell that is) of trying to re-write history...go fark your mom some more...


Our military/industrial/congressional complex, largely under republican control, has become just as fascist as all the systems we're supposed to hate. Since both our parties are slaves to corporations and ignore the people and the constitution, and since a large minority of our citizens will support both imperialist warfare and corporate welfare, we don't need an official dictator to abolish elections.
 
2010-08-25 06:41:41 PM
haddie: relcec: haddie: Krumet:
wow he was some f*cking facist supporter, wasn't he? so if I'm reading this right, he was the director of a company on which another guy sat who had stock in a company that was in Nazi germany. WTF.

So, you're attempting to discredit my entire point because one of the people I pointed out to be a fascist supporter didn't outright say "I love fascism"? What about the others, then? What about du Pont and the other known members of The Business Plot?

Let's say for the sake of argument that he wasn't pro-fascism. Please refute the others, instead of trying to throw out a red herring against the whole point, which was pointing out right-wing business leaders with ties to, or direct involvement in, fascist activities. To claim it was anywhere close to "communism" or that Nazism/Fascism was supported by people who are far-left is about as stupid as one can get.


I'm just pointing out you people have no actual evidence prescot Bush supported fascism, yet that never stops you from coming out and saying he was a confirmed facist supporter, yet you all always fail to mention the embarrassment that JFK's father who tried to sell Brittan down the river during their most trying time. it's ridiculous.

Charles Lindbergh, and Ford had their sympathies of course. I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove though.

/the other don't ring a bell for whatever reason. maybe your talking about the alleged CEO coup de tat. whatever.
 
2010-08-25 11:26:53 PM
Terribly bad taste, but pretty good all-in-all on the headline.

Heh.

;)

P.S. Just had a twought (I claim copyright, biatch): considering how corn production has taken over America's food supply, fascism seems common-place in American politics, policy, and rhetoric, and adherence to old news rules the American ideology, one might wonder who actually won the war, no?

P.P.S. Really makes me wonder.

P.P.P.S. Oh, and it really makes me wonder...
 
2010-08-25 11:37:31 PM
Newsflash:

And of note, while the Nazis absconded with the swastika, the symbol predates all that jazz.

Look it up.

;)
 
2010-08-26 04:03:24 AM
Okay, look. It's real simple. There are two axes of political inclination. Left/Right, and Authoritarian/Libertarian. The Left/Right axis has to do with your view on economic matters and the role of business regulation. At the extreme Left, the state controls industry and commerce, a the extreme Right, laissez-faire rules. On the Authoritarian/Libertarian axis, you have the relationship between the individual persons and the state-- Authoritarian governments place the state above the rights of the individual, and Libertarian states grant more freedom to their citizens.

The Old "Libertarian Diamond." Which puts Libertarians at the top, Liberals on Third base, Conservatives on First base and all Baddies near home plate. A convenient model for Libertarians to use to assert the superiority of their philosophy, supposedly based on increased "Freedom."

But this is based on an assumption by Libertarians that Government action is always Bad and constrictive of Liberty. It repeats the Conservative meme that Government is always BAD and can never do anything positive for society. (Yet, somehow, these same people see condemning anything they see as anti-social and getting Government involved in it as good. Which just proves their HYPOCRISY in using the phrase, "Limited Government."

I REJECT the "Libertarian Diamond" and, instead propose the UTOPIAN/DYSTOPIAN HEMISPHERE. With lines of Latitude representing how much Government you feel is necessary. And lines of Longitude representing what you, in general want government to do.

Left vs. Right isn't and has never been Personal vs. Economic "Freedom." It's based upon what you think the PURPOSE of Government is FOR. The simplest way IMHO to describe Left vs. Right is that, People on the Left believe the central role of Government is to PROMOTE GOOD, while People on the Right believe the Role of Government is to PREVENT BAD.

This goes back to the End of the English Civil War when the Conservatives, the Tories, preferred the Rule of Kings and the Liberals, the Whigs, preferred the Rights of the People or Parliament. The Whigs thought to much power in the Crown was oppressive. The Tories thought that too much power given to the RABBLE would lead to Anarchy.

Righties tend to be more Nationalistic, promote Sectarianism and division. Alienation and persecution of Deviants. Lefties tend to be more Internationalist, promoting Social Justice and Equality. If you see too much individual freedom of expression and Social deviance as a THREAT, you are a Rightie. If you see too much individual Power being gained by the Moneyed or Privileged Classes as a THREAT, you are a Leftie. If you see NEITHER as a threat, you are a Moderate.

So my scale is based not on what you think Government SHOULDN'T do, but what it SHOULD. And properly, the more you think Government HAS to do, the more Authoritarian you are. And that applies BOTH to the Left and the Right.

If you think Government HAS to control undesirables, think of common activities as CRIMINAL, think we need a super-gigantic military to control the entire World, you are an Authoritarian. Likewise, if you see Capitalism as fatally flawed and believe Government control of the Economy as the only path to Social Justice, If you think the people are too stupid to work out Social Justice by themselves and need Government to tell them what is right and what is wrong, you are an Authoritarian.

You go to the SOUTH POLE of the Utopian/Dystopian Hemisphere.

If you believe Government to be a "Necessary Evil" to prevent PRIVATE POWER from taking away individual Liberty, you believe in sensible regulation of the Market is necessary not to destroy Capitalism, but to make it more fair, you slip into the Northern Hemisphere. Likewise if you are TOLERANT of deviants, abhor legislation against their rights and truly believe in Limited Government without conditions, you go up into the Northern Latitudes.

And then, people from all sides of the Left-Right Spectrum can work TOGETHER to a point, the NORTH POLE, where true Limited Government can be achieved. Not because Government is Evil, but because it is no longer NECESSARY.

When people act in a Socially Responsible manner. Where the Masses and people in Power act to the mutual benefit of everyone.
 
2010-08-26 06:09:29 PM
"Ear" Reich. Whatta corny joke.

/Aryans Of The Corn
//Of Assling
 
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