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2010-08-24 02:45:22 PM  
The Homer Tax: Moquary: Meh. I mean, it's not like I take farkers seriously. Perhaps especially myself. But this old lady wants black people to leave her alone, the consequences of which can only mean harm to herself. Some farkers want this old lady to die, the consequences of which can only mean harm to another person.

I'd say that the farkers' wish is infinitely worse.

Your statement only makes sense if "wishes" resulted in reality, which they don't.

A racist old bag being so racist that she would actively deny herself medical care from a black person has a very real effect on her health and well being. A very real consequence of that is her own injury or death.

Someone on the internet musing about her actually reaping what she sews has no effect on reality. That's my point. You could give to shiats about reality, and care very much about the ephemeral.

It's just an interesting set of priorities in light of the given subject.


Yeah, but the old lady made her own bed, and she'll sleep in it. Basically what some other folks have said: it's her choice, and she'll probably be worse off for it.

Also, I'm not 'defending' this lady. It's really annoying when people can only think in the binary of this-side or the-other-side. Just because I think that the farkers are a--holes, doesn't mean that I don't also think that the old lady is an a--hole. You dig?

I just think it's a signal of poor character to wish actively that she dies. That's all. The way some posters write, it sounds like they have a sociopathic fixation on this happening. It only reflects an extraordinary pettiness of character which is distasteful.
 
2010-08-24 02:46:49 PM  
PseudoNic: nfkiller: This I can confirm. That cracker dances worse than I do.

Ahem, the correct term is, "cracka." Get it right, white devil.

/will also accept, "cracka-ass, cracka."


i447.photobucket.com

Equinsu ocha!
 
2010-08-24 02:48:56 PM  
Ringshadow: As said, something as simple as "See nurse" or an extra colored sticker dot on the nameplate would be a warning.

Standard contact precautions will protect you from MRSA, C. Diff, or any of your other concerns.

Glove up, wash your hands when you finish in the room. You'll be fine. Housekeeping people in the ER where I work do just fine without knowing anything about any of the plethora of sickies we have in the ER.
 
2010-08-24 02:52:33 PM  
Moquary: Also, I'm not 'defending' this lady. It's really annoying when people can only think in the binary of this-side or the-other-side. Just because I think that the farkers are a--holes, doesn't mean that I don't also think that the old lady is an a--hole. You dig?

My point was, given the choice between two "a-holes" you chose to attack random internet posters rather than the racist. I found that interesting.

I just think it's a signal of poor character to wish actively that she dies. That's all. The way some posters write, it sounds like they have a sociopathic fixation on this happening. It only reflects an extraordinary pettiness of character which is distasteful.

Again. You called the racist an "a-hole." You called random internet people "petty, distasteful, sociopaths."

I think your priorities are weird.
 
2010-08-24 02:52:57 PM  
Kahabut: What the fark? Your first instinct after a rape is to get a gynecologist in there? Remind me not to go drinking with you.

Reminds me of a joke. You corral a friend and ask, "Hey, if you woke up in the middle of the woods with your pants around your ankles, a twenty-dollar bill in your hand, and no memory of the previous night, would you tell anyone?" Your friend will probably say, "No..." Then you sidle up, smile big, and ask, "Wanna go camping?"
 
2010-08-24 02:54:05 PM  
CheetahOlivetti: Pucca: I guess I'm prejudice because I prefer a male OBGYN. I've gone to both men and women doctors and in my experience, men are much more gentle. I've actually been hurt by a woman doctor before.

I felt that way until my male OBGYN leaned on my stomach to pop my daughter out like a zit. While simultaneously reaching in to pull her out. Owowowowowow.


That is an incredibly disturbing description of child birth.
 
2010-08-24 02:54:29 PM  
knightofargh: DROxINxTHExWIND: 1. Why do you wonder that?

2. What difference do YOU think it would make?

1. Historically certain posters in the FARKosphere tend to assume that only those with western European ancestry are capable of racism. Obviously the historical victims of racism in the US are incapable of such ignorant behavior, at least according to members of this very forum.

2. I'd like to think it would make no difference, in reality it would turn into a complete trainwreck populated by trolls that either left their hoods at the dry cleaner or forgot their snazzy berets to show their allegiance. It's a thought experiment, even if such an event were to occur it would likely not garner much media attention. White on black racism drives page views, the opposite likely doesn't. Outrage sells after all.

==============================

1. Actually, using your hypothetical, the conversations normally go something like this:

White Farker: Uh oh, a black person was touched by a white nurse against her will. Where's Al Sharpton??

Rational Farker: The woman is old and she may have had experiences with racism when it was widely acceptable that may have made her sensitive or even afraid of white people.

White Farker Like You: I KNOW!!! Because BLACK people can NEVER be racist!

Rational Farker: I didn't say that. Only that there could be a reason for her sensitivity. I don't believe its right for her to be a bigot, but lets remember our recent history.

White Farker Like You: WHAT!! She's wasn't a slave! Black people need to STFU. I guess they're going to have a rally with Jesse Jackson now. This shiat is sickening. Why is it ok for black people to discriminate but not white people???

Rational Farker: I don't think anyone should be able to...

White Farker Like You: Welcome to OBAMBI'S AMERICA! Gates can curse out the police! Black people working with the USDA can refuse to help white farmers...

...and so on.
 
2010-08-24 02:54:35 PM  
Helen_Arigby: Kahabut: What the fark? Your first instinct after a rape is to get a gynecologist in there? Remind me not to go drinking with you.

Reminds me of a joke. You corral a friend and ask, "Hey, if you woke up in the middle of the woods with your pants around your ankles, a twenty-dollar bill in your hand, and no memory of the previous night, would you tell anyone?" Your friend will probably say, "No..." Then you sidle up, smile big, and ask, "Wanna go camping?"


Bash.org (new window)
 
2010-08-24 02:55:35 PM  
what_now: On the other hand, do you want to a woman she has to see a male gynecologist? Do you want to tell a man he has to see a female urologist? If the point is patient care, shouldn't the patient be as comfortable as possible?

I had to have a scope done of my bladder. My urologist was male, but during the procedure two female nurses were present.

Very awkward.
 
2010-08-24 02:56:10 PM  
Ringshadow: ecmoRandomNumbers:
You should be vaccinated against influenza every year. If you don't, you take that risk upon yourself. The same is true for shingles -- if you are prone to the herpes on your body, you should stay out of the health-care industry.

There are rules for blood-borne pathogens and clean-up, that I'm sure you're aware of. Good luck tracing an air-borne pathogen, though. If you're prone to getting sick, stay out of health care.

Stay the hell away from my HIPAA rights. Hospital cleaning staff don't get to look at the charts. Those are for doctors and nurses.

You have rights. But I have rights to a safe workplace.

I don't need to know what you have, I just need to know that you have a possibility of giving X to me. I just need to know that I need to take extra precautions. I don't need details. As said, something as simple as "See nurse" or an extra colored sticker dot on the nameplate would be a warning.

There are things you COULD have that COULD make me ill or kill me that I have no chance of vaccinating against. Like MRSA, or CDIF. These are diseases that are a biatch to get rid of, and could lay me low, dude. I got LUCKY that I never got ill. And frankly, I'm NOT prone to illness. I've avoided getting the flu the last four winters, and the most serious thing I've had in four years was a week of sinus infection.

As for a shingles shot, how the HELL am I supposed to know I should "armor up" against shingles if no one tells me there are people on the floor with shingles? And why should I have to vaccinate when a simple warning about needing extra glove precautions would do?

You have every right to privacy. I should have every right to be able to cover my ass and know there's danger in the room, even if it's incredibly nonspecific danger.


First, let's shoot down every disease you mention. C-dif and MRSA are spread through direct contact. If you're not smart enough to wash your hands after touching shiat and snot, there is no helping you. You will not "catch" shingles from another person. You may catch the chicken pox, but if you're working around sick people and haven't been vaccinated or have already had chicken pox, then you're probably retarded. How about VRE, TB, Hepatitis? Again, stop touching shiat with your bare hands and wash prior to leaving the room. You will be required to wear a particulate respirator around any active TB case. Hepatits vaccines are required to be offered by any and all healthcare providers to the employees of their facilities at no cost to the employees. Also, stop touching shiat and blood with your bare hands.

Tell me the name of the nursing home you were working in. Tell me which state it is in. I've been a nurse for over 17 years. I've worked in hospitals and nursing homes. I have NEVER known a facility to intentionally expose staff to infectious disease. Always, there is a note on the door that says "Please see nursing staff before entering". Back in the old days, We actually would have a cart outside the door with PPE and color coded cards for the type of isolation and the specific precautions (I.E. respiratory, droplet, contact isolation, etc.). Furthermore, there's a reason they're called "universal precautions". If you're too farking stupid to wear gloves and wash your hands upon entering and exiting a room, you're too stupid to understand the disease precautions that will be given to you by nursing staff.
 
2010-08-24 02:57:31 PM  
Boudyro: Pick your Doc and service people for their abilities, anyone who would refuse help in a situation like that deserves to sit right where they are for being a racist fark.

Most medical professionals are just that . . . PROFESSIONALS.

Last check up I had I went to my male doc but one of his female assistants did most of the poking and prodding. Came time to gimme the ole finger-wave, and she asked if I wanted the doc in for that part.
"Nah let's just get it over with."
Her face fell, then she double gloved.
So I decided to have a bit of fun.
"I cleaned it up back there I'm not that nasty!"
In a sweet southern accent (with a who farted ya'll face) she says.
"Ah know, but its poooop!"
Prolly would have been funnier but then she started using me as a puppet . . .

On another note, my old man is fairly racist and I have been telling him for years, he's getting the biggest, blackest, meanest nurse we can find to wipe his butt for him if he's too much of a shiat in his old age.


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2010-08-24 03:00:36 PM  
Bender The Offender: If you're too farking stupid to wear gloves and wash your hands upon entering and exiting a room, you're too stupid to understand the disease precautions that will be given to you by nursing staff.

It sounds like he is just lazy and doesn't feel like wearing gloves and washing his hands.

He's simple enough to think that the nursing home can tell him exactly who does and doesn't have any diseases or colonizations of bacteria.

He fails to grasp why they're called "Standard" contact precautions.
 
2010-08-24 03:03:55 PM  
" 'When people complete morons pandering legislative hacks write laws, they don't think about these types of things very much,' said Dennis Frick, an attorney with Indiana Legal Services' Senior Law Project."

FTFY, Dennis
 
2010-08-24 03:09:55 PM  
Moquary: I just think it's a signal of poor character to wish actively that she dies. That's all. The way some posters write, it sounds like they have a sociopathic fixation on this happening. It only reflects an extraordinary pettiness of character which is distasteful.

I seriously doubt any of them actually mean it. People say outlandish things to try and make themselves look cool or more important than they actually are. Either way, you're right: it is a signal of poor character. I see a lot of this kind of behavior in teenagers and people in the 20's. They think being rude and mean is the way to be. It's funny how quickly they back down if they get called on it, though.

/my lawn
//yes, you may stay on it
///but be polite
 
2010-08-24 03:10:44 PM  
SchlingFocker:
Glove up, wash your hands when you finish in the room. You'll be fine. Housekeeping people in the ER where I work do just fine without knowing anything about any of the plethora of sickies we have in the ER.


I always gloved up and washed as needed. I haven't worked there for a few years, honestly, but let me assure you that a hospital has a HELL of a lot better precaution system than the nursing home I worked in. I know this because I knew a CNA who worked at the nursing home, and at the related hospital. People who were on contact isolation at the hospital weren't the minute they hit the nursing home, even if they should have been.

Bender The Offender:
Tell me the name of the nursing home you were working in. Tell me which state it is in. I've been a nurse for over 17 years. I've worked in hospitals and nursing homes. I have NEVER known a facility to intentionally expose staff to infectious disease. Always, there is a note on the door that says "Please see nursing staff before entering". Back in the old days, We actually would have a cart outside the door with PPE and color coded cards for the type of isolation and the specific precautions (I.E. respiratory, droplet, contact isolation, etc.).


Again, I gloved up, I washed, and I got lucky.

The nursing home I was in NEVER had cards on the doors and NEVER had dots for this sort of problem. The dots were always things like Do Not Resuscitate, things like that. No dots for disease warning or see nurse. And as mentioned above, there was no contact isolation, or even formal respiratory isolation. At one point I cheerfully went into a room, informed the guest there that I was there to clean the bathroom and wipe the room down (she cheerfully said to go about my business) and came out only to be lambasted by a CNA because the guest was a respiratory hazard and I needed to mask up. How was I supposed to know?

As for the name of the place... this is the internet, I don't feel comfortable telling you that, sorry. And these problems are still ongoing, I know some of the night CNAs there. Could the problem be isolated to that home? Damned if I know, but it was annoying. I always felt there SHOULD have at least been a 'see nurse' card, but Administration never caved, even though the Hospital could have hat the person on contact isolation.
 
2010-08-24 03:25:37 PM  
Ball Zitch: Moquary: I just think it's a signal of poor character to wish actively that she dies. That's all. The way some posters write, it sounds like they have a sociopathic fixation on this happening. It only reflects an extraordinary pettiness of character which is distasteful.

I seriously doubt any of them actually mean it. People say outlandish things to try and make themselves look cool or more important than they actually are. Either way, you're right: it is a signal of poor character. I see a lot of this kind of behavior in teenagers and people in the 20's. They think being rude and mean is the way to be. It's funny how quickly they back down if they get called on it, though.

/my lawn
//yes, you may stay on it
///but be polite


Word. You're probably right that they don't actually mean it, at least I hope that's the case.
 
2010-08-24 03:28:35 PM  
100 Watt Walrus: Roughing The Snapper: That klansman being treated in the ER pic? Yeah, not so much. (new window)

What indicates to you that Fano, or anyone else, thought it was real?


I just thought it was an obligatory funnay
 
2010-08-24 03:34:57 PM  
Helen_Arigby: Where are the compassionate, competent ob-gyns you guys keep talking about and where can I get one? So far, I've had:

1) An extremely rough, curt jerk who seemed to know what he was doing until he scheduled my induction for his day off.

2) Ob-gyn 1's partner, who delivered my kid brilliantly, then vanished.

3) A sweet, nice, apparently wonderful ob-gyn who babied me all through my second pregnancy, then didn't bother showing up when I phoned to say I was in labour and she promised she'd be there in twenty minutes.

4) The incompetent, soulless jerk who took over when it became clear that 3 had been kidnapped by aliens or something, who casually informed me that I needed a Caesarean, that I might very well die, and no, I couldn't have a second opinion.

5) Another round with 3 and several of her friends, who utterly failed to get my IUD installed. Oh, and one of them told me I had to let her know if something hurt, then told me to stop being a baby because there's no way that hurt.

6) The guy who got my IUD installed, then gave my coont a friendly pat the way a gearhead will pat a car's hood or a computer geek will pat a tower. Why, yes, his age did make this creepier.

7) The guy who prattled on about God, rammed his fingers into my fundus, confirmed that it hurt, and pushed harder. Probably I should not have told him my un-Godly sexual history.

It's not that I think obstetrics and gynaecology are invalid scientific or medical fields. I just want a practitioner who is compassionate, competent, and available.


To be fair, there is really only one common variable here. Hint: it is not #'s 1-7
 
2010-08-24 03:55:05 PM  
Fano: 100 Watt Walrus: Roughing The Snapper: That klansman being treated in the ER pic? Yeah, not so much. (new window)

What indicates to you that Fano, or anyone else, thought it was real?

I just thought it was an obligatory funnay


Exactly.
 
2010-08-24 04:16:17 PM  
i33.tinypic.com
 
2010-08-24 04:21:16 PM  
rebelyell2006: According to the EMTs in my area, if someone refuses treatment or a trip to the hospital, they have to wait until the person is unconscious before they can do anything.

Sounds about right. I was told the same thing when I took a CPR class.
 
2010-08-24 04:24:02 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: You're free to "associate" with a home who has an all-white staff to cater to your racist old ass.

Or, I'm free to associate with a home that has a partially-white staff on the condition that I am only tended to by the white portion, which is agreed to by both parties. Which is exactly what this woman had. And exactly what was barred by the court in the lawsuit.

And why did you put "associate" in quotes? Is doing business and making voluntary contracts not associating?

The nursing home isn't your property.

Right, but it is the property of someone (protip: not the court), and that someone contracted to give care to someone else that wanted white-only help. So, property rights. There you go. Not that hard to understand.

Your loss, little dick

What a devastating argument. I guess I lose, right?

Rapmaster2000: Unless you have a snappy comeback for "is it in yet", I wouldn't recommend it.

Pfft, she'd be too distracted watching Soul Train to care.

/Doggy style, so we can both watch
 
2010-08-24 04:34:11 PM  
Primus Sucks1:
To be fair, there is really only one common variable here. Hint: it is not #'s 1-7


No, she's not alone. A lot of Ob-Gyns are not.. ideal. Finding one who is decent and will actually listen to you is not the easiest task in the universe. Frankly, if the clinics around her are crap I wouldn't be surprised at all if she ran through seven suckass Ob-Gyns.

/just wants an Ob-Gyn who will treat me like an adult
 
2010-08-24 05:02:32 PM  
Paulistinian: Right, but it is the property of someone (protip: not the court), and that someone contracted to give care to someone else that wanted white-only help. So, property rights. There you go. Not that hard to understand.

RAND PAUL.
 
2010-08-24 05:31:42 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: knightofargh: DROxINxTHExWIND: 1. Why do you wonder that?

2. What difference do YOU think it would make?

1. Historically certain posters in the FARKosphere tend to assume that only those with western European ancestry are capable of racism. Obviously the historical victims of racism in the US are incapable of such ignorant behavior, at least according to members of this very forum.

2. I'd like to think it would make no difference, in reality it would turn into a complete trainwreck populated by trolls that either left their hoods at the dry cleaner or forgot their snazzy berets to show their allegiance. It's a thought experiment, even if such an event were to occur it would likely not garner much media attention. White on black racism drives page views, the opposite likely doesn't. Outrage sells after all.
==============================

1. Actually, using your hypothetical, the conversations normally go something like this:

White Farker: Uh oh, a black person was touched by a white nurse against her will. Where's Al Sharpton??

Rational Farker: The woman is old and she may have had experiences with racism when it was widely acceptable that may have made her sensitive or even afraid of white people.

White Farker Like You: I KNOW!!! Because BLACK people can NEVER be racist!

Rational Farker: I didn't say that. Only that there could be a reason for her sensitivity. I don't believe its right for her to be a bigot, but lets remember our recent history.

White Farker Like You: WHAT!! She's wasn't a slave! Black people need to STFU. I guess they're going to have a rally with Jesse Jackson now. This shiat is sickening. Why is it ok for black people to discriminate but not white people???

Rational Farker: I don't think anyone should be able to...

White Farker Like You: Welcome to OBAMBI'S AMERICA! Gates can curse out the police! Black people working with the USDA can refuse to help white farmers...

...and so on.


So if I get mugged by a black person, have a black person break into my home or encounter an armed gang of Black Panthers outside the voting booth when I go to vote some Democrats out of office on election day, I'm not really racist for demanding that a black nurse not touch me. Gotcha.
 
2010-08-24 05:43:25 PM  
My late Grandma would be about 90 now. I don't believe she was ever any kind of racist, even though she grew up in Arkansas in the 30's...
When I was in high school and then community college, I had a very good, very gay, male friend. Grandma kept asking my dad why I didn't date that boy, he was soo nice, etc etc.. My dad finally says, "Mom, he's gay. He's GAY" (grandma was a bit hard of hearing).

I wish i had been there for the look on her face before she said "you mean, you mean he's a Ho-mo?!"

not entirely related, but a funny story that sort of illustrates how an old person probably thinks about the present in terms of the past.
 
2010-08-24 06:11:08 PM  
Oh i would love to be the nurse in that situation. I'm white but if i saw that old cunny lying on the ground, i'd have to apologise and refuse to help because my mother was Black Irish (which means pasty white skin with black hair) but close enough to freak out an ignorant racist biatch. I'd even sit and wait until the old broad had wet herself before finally telling the nearest blonde nurse about the problem.
 
2010-08-24 06:49:51 PM  
SchlingFocker: Speaking as a nurse, if a black patient tells me I can't touch them because I'm white, I'm not going to touch them.

Why? Because it's battery. All the civil rights court issues aside, if someone tells you that you can't touch them (certain, isolated circumstances such as involuntary commitment aside), then you can't touch them.

This CNA may have won her court case, but if she puts her hands on a nursing home resident after the resident has told her that she can't, she'll still go up on charges of battery.


This. Care can only be given with consent- unless the person is out cold- then you can go based on implied consent.

I got burned by this kind of thinking when my job involved going to delieveries. Muslim woman with baby in fetal distress- NICU team called. The burly uncle guarding the room wouldn't let the male respiratory therapist in the door. (Ironic because he was as gay as you can be) The respiratory therapist put the equipment in my hands and shoved me through the door. I may be a nurse but I was in no way as competent as that RT with his training. Brain damaged baby because you wanted to keep the room free of men? Good thinking.

The female doc- 1st year resident- wasn't as competent as the male doc with 20 years experience that had to give her directions over the phone.

How exactly do babies get born in Muslim lands when women- generally- can't get an education and men can't see another woman's face- let alone her vajayjay? Oops- I forgot, they just deal with the infant mortality problem by having a lot of kids.

Damn, I'm getting grumpy- time for a cold one.
 
2010-08-24 07:13:31 PM  
SchlingFocker: Ringshadow: As said, something as simple as "See nurse" or an extra colored sticker dot on the nameplate would be a warning.

Standard contact precautions will protect you from MRSA, C. Diff, or any of your other concerns.

Glove up, wash your hands when you finish in the room. You'll be fine. Housekeeping people in the ER where I work do just fine without knowing anything about any of the plethora of sickies we have in the ER.


This. Also- don't sweat the shingles. It is just an outbreak of the chicken pox virus. You can't catch shingles from shingles. You CAN catch chicken pox from shingles but only with pretty much direct skin to skin contact. If you have already had chicken pox- you are fine.

That being said- I've never known a nursing home or hospital not to take some sort of precautions for the staff. OSHA would have their ass if they didn't. If they weren't notifying staff, it was probably because there wasn't anything for you to be worried about.
 
2010-08-24 07:19:55 PM  
sk8r: SchlingFocker:
This. Care can only be given with consent- unless the person is out cold- then you can go based on implied consent.

I got burned by this kind of thinking when my job involved going to delieveries. Muslim woman with baby in fetal distress- NICU team called. The burly uncle guarding the room wouldn't let the male respiratory therapist in the door. (Ironic because he was as gay as you can be) The respiratory therapist put the equipment in my hands and shoved me through the door. I may be a nurse but I was in no way as competent as that RT with his training. Brain damaged baby because you wanted to keep the room free of men? Good thinking.

The female doc- 1st year resident- wasn't as competent as the male doc with 20 years experience that had to give her directions over the phone.

How exactly do babies get born in Muslim lands when women- generally- can't get an education and men can't see another woman's face- let alone her vajayjay? Oops- I forgot, they just deal with the infant mortality problem by having a lot of kids.

Damn, I'm getting grumpy- time for a cold one.


csb
Umm, over there, in the vast majority of countries where they even go to a hospital to have their babies (extreme rarity) the hospitals are staffed with Indian and Philipino nurses and midwives. No malpractice, and the mortalty rate is pretty high up there, but hey, since its a woman, no one cares, unless she dies giving birth to a boy, then it's a mourned tradgedy.

Those places (UAE/Saudi/Bahrain/Kuwait) have no compunction in choosing letting a woman die as opposed to the dishonor of her being seen by another male, and honestly, if you were to treat her, she would be honor killed in most of the countries for adultry.

I worked in a nursing home during school that had this tall old guy named Joe. Quiet, alzheimers, just sorta shuffled around until this little philipino girl grabbed his arm to help him out of the chair. 3 people in the hospital later we learned he was a vet from Bataan. Needless to say it was clearly marked on his chart that no asian caregiver should approach him.
/csb
 
2010-08-24 07:24:37 PM  
sk8r:
That being said- I've never known a nursing home or hospital not to take some sort of precautions for the staff. OSHA would have their ass if they didn't. If they weren't notifying staff, it was probably because there wasn't anything for you to be worried about.


Not true. I worked for years in a nursing home, and the vast majority lack anything beyond gloves, and GOD Forbid that they use cloth, as opposed to disposeable diapers in the home. Those little bundles are bagged with fecal material, blood, every body fluid concieveable, and the help has to rip open the bag to place the cloth diaper in the wash. Horrific job only made worse by people trying to reduce the exposure limits.

Most nurses have 0 idea how dangerous and how often exposure incidents happen for the real caregivers in long term care facilities.
 
2010-08-24 07:26:34 PM  
Meowsertd WTF?

does mstd have a family or did she get banned and had to put up an alt?

WTH happened to gorgor, anyway?
 
2010-08-24 07:29:23 PM  
mjjt: Meowsertd WTF?

does mstd have a family or did she get banned and had to put up an alt?

WTH happened to gorgor, anyway?


Umm, he's been banninated, and I think it was a tatsuma thread that did him in... Or I could be phishing... You Choose..
 
2010-08-24 07:47:00 PM  
Shilldog: I_C_Weener: what_now: DarnoKonrad: If your hypothetical female is in toxic shock, no I don't think the hospital is obliged to find a female gynecologist at a moments notice -- which is a closer analogy to the situation in question.

What if she's just been raped by a female clown?

FTFY

Then she shouldn't have been dressed so funny


New keyboard AND monitor, please.
 
2010-08-24 07:48:00 PM  
TelJanin: sk8r:
That being said- I've never known a nursing home or hospital not to take some sort of precautions for the staff. OSHA would have their ass if they didn't. If they weren't notifying staff, it was probably because there wasn't anything for you to be worried about.

Not true. I worked for years in a nursing home, and the vast majority lack anything beyond gloves, and GOD Forbid that they use cloth, as opposed to disposeable diapers in the home. Those little bundles are bagged with fecal material, blood, every body fluid concieveable, and the help has to rip open the bag to place the cloth diaper in the wash. Horrific job only made worse by people trying to reduce the exposure limits.

Most nurses have 0 idea how dangerous and how often exposure incidents happen for the real caregivers in long term care facilities.


Most nurses- yes, you are sadly right on this one.

CNA in the 80s before I became a nurse. We didn't have gloves. Yes, you read that right- we did personal care with bare hands. I do the standard precautions but I've never been paranoid about cooties. If everything out there were that contagious, I would have died with a dozen alphabet diseases before I turned 30.

I hope to hell that no nursing homes are still using cloth incontinence products- they are a real risk to the direct caregivers and the laundry room staff. I remember washing them off in the hopper only too well- without goggles.

Hang in there- being a CNA is about the hardest and worst paid job on the planet.
 
2010-08-24 08:02:33 PM  
Barbigazi: Meowsertd: All I see is white womans rights trampeled and black woman revices a pay day.


who give a fark they are old they have dementia back when they grew up jim crow laws existed, let time take its course and this issue will resolve its self. Seems to me these days if you are black you cant swing a cat without finding someone to sue for something.

Your English is farking atrocious.


It's the Internet, and the 21st Century. Only 20 percent of the people who consider English their first language write correctly on here.

/fully aware that was poorly written tyvm
//Too tired to care right now
///Or is it to tired too care write now?
 
2010-08-24 08:08:15 PM  
My body....my choice!
 
2010-08-24 08:11:49 PM  
Eddie Adams from Torrance: If some racist cracker-assed-cracker would rather lie on the floor for a few hours than get help from a black nurse, that's her problem.

gotta agree with this.
 
2010-08-24 08:12:34 PM  
DarnoKonrad: what_now: Heh. The Patients' right to chose the type of caregiver. Not really sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, you have racists idiots like this old lady.

On the other hand, do you want to a woman she has to see a male gynecologist? Do you want to tell a man he has to see a female urologist? If the point is patient care, shouldn't the patient be as comfortable as possible?



Assuming they're completely paying for it themselves, but if their using insurance, I sure wouldn't want my premiums paying for race or sex discrimination.

If your hypothetical female is in toxic shock, no I don't think the hospital is obliged to find a female gynecologist at a moments notice -- which is a closer analogy to the situation in question.

For regular care outside of emergency situations, people should pick their own doctor -- for whatever reason they seem to think is important. But I don't think the burden should be on anyone to accommodate it.



Gotta agree with this, too.
 
2010-08-24 08:16:50 PM  
the_chief: What if I only want hot Filipina nurses waiting on me?

get in line! they are scrumptious
 
2010-08-24 08:30:33 PM  
RedEmily: Ablejack: How does the patient's contract define black? It's not like it's a black and white issue. Race does not exist in the United States by any current biological or scientific definition. Race is a self-identified, self-reported social and cultural concept. The closest thing you get is that you may choose your 'race' from a list on a census form.


Dude, that was well put.

When will we stop thinking of people as "races" and start thing of people as "we"?


When "we" are all dead, sadly
 
2010-08-24 09:22:25 PM  
Homkeys dont deserve a hand up.
 
2010-08-24 09:52:43 PM  
My great-grandma, now deceased, was born in 1900. When she was in her 90s, she was in assisted living. The lady who cleaned her room happened to be black. Great-grandma told my mom that she was suspicious of the black lady, as she hadn't really been around very many black people since she'd lived her whole life in the small-town midwest. My mom asked her to give it a chance.

Sure enough, coupla months later, great-grandma told my mom and we great-grandkids that her cleaning lady was really nice. Great-grandma would buy gifts or a card for her for every holiday, and the cleaning lady reciprocated.

/cool story sis
//see, even some old dogs can learn new tricks
 
2010-08-24 10:03:25 PM  
i635.photobucket.com
 
2010-08-24 10:05:23 PM  
gilgigamesh: Dancin_In_Anson: gilgigamesh: So, I am thinking you didn't read tfa.

Let's see...The old lady specified no black caregivers. When she fell there was a black care giver nearby who could help due to her instructions...Right?

Well, who could NOT help her. Because she is legally prohibited from doing so.

Your little schtick there made it sound like you thought the nurse had a choice.

Also, I notice you failed to address my allegations -- some may call them scurrilous -- about your dance moves. I will take that as an admission.


She is under no obligation to leave her on the floor- I think the ypocratic Oath (sp?) would obligate her to assist the patient if a life threatening condition (disaster, broken hip, or hemmoraging) existed. There would be nothing to prevent that caregiver from finding a nurse or staff member that could render assistance.

Most facilities will honor the gender request and to some extent, the race request when they have adequate staffing. Nursing homes, trama centers, drug and mental rehab facilities, are most likely to honor these requests in an effort to not emotionally disturb someone who may be mentally/emotionally unstable. Once again- staffing dependant.

In the case of a traumatized patient (or doped up on painkillers), I'm a little more tolerant in regards to their 'racist' behavior then that of, say, the jerk from HR telling you about the dumb muslim trying to get a job in x-ray or who's skirt he's been peeking up again out on the stairwell.
 
2010-08-24 10:08:40 PM  
gilgigamesh: the_rev: gilgigamesh: I assume it was some movie where white people wrote the dialogue for black people?

What do I win?

It's "Airplane," and it should be required viewing for anyone signing up for Fark. I bet you find eveery thread ever posted about airplanes very confusing.

I am often confused by many things. That doesn't keep me off fark. Also, I haven't seen Airplane in 20 years.


Neither have I, Shirley, but I immediately recognized the jive quote.
 
2010-08-24 10:23:54 PM  
ExperianScaresCthulhu: Eddie Adams from Torrance: If some racist cracker-assed-cracker would rather lie on the floor for a few hours than get help from a black nurse, that's her problem.

gotta agree with this.


Some "racist crackers" may not understand that that blood pooling up around them, throbbing in their chect, or broken hip may mean immenant death if they do not receive assistance- regardless of color.

If a facility were to honor race/gender preference requests, I believe the contract is null under extreme conditions of possible further trauma. For the most part- I think a sane patient would recognize this too. If a patient is an life threatening condition and cannot or refuses to recognize their plight, they may be deemed as temporaily "unstable" leaving the staff- regardless of color or gender-- to act in the patient's best interest unless further harm as a result of that assistance would be incurred.
 
2010-08-24 10:26:25 PM  
I recently encountered this very thing. A younger woman, terminal cancer, blatant bigot. Only nice to white people, rude hateful biatch to anyone who wasn't white. Day charge nurse didn't know this, so she assigned said patient to an Indian nurse. Patient completely lost her shiat. Demanded I assign a white nurse to her instead. I did...and she was probably the dumbest nurse on the planet. So obvious, that patients often wondered if she was mentally retarded. But hey, at least she was white. I'm such an asshole that way.

/Cool story...etc, etc.
 
2010-08-24 10:53:45 PM  
what_now: On the other hand, do you want to a woman she has to see a male gynecologist? Do you want to tell a man he has to see a female urologist?

Absolutely. If the doctor/nurse is competent, neither gender nor race should matter.
 
2010-08-24 10:54:34 PM  
Primus Sucks1: To be fair, there is really only one common variable here. Hint: it is not #'s 1-7

Yes, to be fair, the first thing I do when I walk into a new ob-gyn's office is start brainstorming all the things I want to complain about on the internet regarding them. It's an odd hobby, but it keeps me happy late at night when I'm waiting for the sweet, emo embrace of death to take me.
 
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