There's a good reason why insulin-dependent diabetics can't just take a pill.

oh christ jesus. not a farking wingnut thread. YOUR CARPET IS TOXIC

dustman81: Probably not hard at all. Puberty is starting at earlier ages, possibly due to the hormones in the food. There have been reports of girls, some as young as infants, growing breasts.

So the inverse probably could also happen.

One of the factors that has a strong correlation to autism is the mother's hormone levels during pregnancy. I can't help but wonder whether anyone's looking into how our diet (and specifically artificial hormones) effects uterine hormone levels during gestation.

Sim Tree: Is this no longer true?

There's more pus in the treated milk.

But if there wasn't a market for it, they wouldn't do it. if it were really a giant catastrophe, they would not be profitable: people would place other concerns ahead of buying monsanto-originated products. They don't. It's not a problem for the people buying the goods, it's not a problem for the people that matter.

Occam's Chainsaw: One of the factors that has a strong correlation to autism is the mother's hormone levels during pregnancy. I can't help but wonder whether anyone's looking into how our diet (and specifically artificial hormones) effects uterine hormone levels during gestation.

Imagine how devastating it will be for companies like Monsanto when/if a definitive link is made between autism and synthetic hormones.

Talon: Imagine how devastating it will be for companies like Monsanto when/if a definitive link is made between autism and synthetic hormones.

Imagine how much money they'd be willing to throw at the study to make it go away, or at a PI and a few news outlets to impugn the veracity of the authors, or at other groups to crank out a half dozen "nope, totally safe! we swear!" studies.

Occam's Chainsaw: Imagine how much money they'd be willing to throw at the study to make it go away, or at a PI and a few news outlets to impugn the veracity of the authors, or at other groups to crank out a half dozen "nope, totally safe! we swear!" studies.

So pretty much the same exact thing the tobacco industry did, but eventually failed at? If a connection exists, even if they work to cover it up, eventually it will be uncovered.

Talon: So pretty much the same exact thing the tobacco industry did, but eventually failed at? If a connection exists, even if they work to cover it up, eventually it will be uncovered.

Oh absolutely. In five years, or ten, or a decade. Which the current crop of suits is just fine with, as most can only think in 90-day intervals in the first place, and they'll have gotten theirs and gotten the f*ck on.

Five years, or ten, or twenty. I am ken think gud todai.

Talon: Occam's Chainsaw: Imagine how much money they'd be willing to throw at the study to make it go away, or at a PI and a few news outlets to impugn the veracity of the authors, or at other groups to crank out a half dozen "nope, totally safe! we swear!" studies.

So pretty much the same exact thing the tobacco industry did, but eventually failed at? If a connection exists, even if they work to cover it up, eventually it will be uncovered.

After how many millions of lives may be damaged or ruined by it? I only buy hormone free dairy. Organic milk can be expensive; luckily none of us drink it much but the baby.

I love boobs and all, just not sprouting from my own chest. Good reason to stick to Ben and Jerry's besides their Half Baked.

Talon 2010-08-22 12:35:40 AM

Occam's Chainsaw: Imagine how much money they'd be willing to throw at the study to make it go away, or at a PI and a few news outlets to impugn the veracity of the authors, or at other groups to crank out a half dozen "nope, totally safe! we swear!" studies.

So pretty much the same exact thing the tobacco industry did, but eventually failed at? If a connection exists, even if they work to cover it up, eventually it will be uncovered.

I'll let the next cple of CEO's worry bout that - meanwhile there are bonus's to be made (decisions by the numbers are so easy)

Genetics based techniques are all fine and neutral and I hope to work in marker assisted plant breeding once I complete my university education.

I cannot see why anyone would trust a company so ruthless and immoral they needed to abandon the chemistry side of their business in order to dodge some of their well earned reputation. A bunch of cow hormones may not melt your face off or anything but it is still much more dangerous than anything I would entrust to Monsanto, a few nice newspapers and a park bench on the other hand...

Damn. Puting down the Blue Bell pint and going to bed.

moothemagiccow: oh christ jesus. not a farking wingnut thread. YOUR CARPET IS TOXIC

For some reason, this is the first thing I thought of.

You're fat and you have biatch tits from eating too much ice cream. Not from recombinant Bovine Growth Hormones.

Britney Spear's Speculum: You're fat and you have biatch tits from eating too much ice cream. Not from recombinant Bovine Growth Hormones.

then why are they leaking pus?

Alacritous: Sim Tree: Is this no longer true?

There's more pus in the treated milk.

Actually, there's more antibiotics in the treated milk. To get rid of the pus. Dairy farmers aren't legally allowed to milk cows with udder infections.

I'm lactose intolerant, so I don't care about any of this either way. But women, children and hippies like ice cream, and I do like women and children.

At least no one has started up the "drink unpasteurized milk" nonsense - that's even worse than hormone milk.

fark Monsanto. I grew up swimming, fishing, and eating the fish from a lake where you still aren't supposed to eat the fish decades later because of their PCB's from this (wiki quote)

Pollution in Anniston, Alabama

In 2002, The Washington Post carried a front page report on Monsanto's legacy of environmental damage in Anniston, Alabama related to its legal production of polychlorinated biphenyls, a chemical once used as a common electrical insulator, 40 years ago. Plaintiffs in a pending lawsuit provided documentation showing that the local Monsanto factory knowingly discharged both mercury and PCB-laden waste into local creeks for over 40 years.[38] In a story on 27 January, The New York Times reported that during 1969 alone Monsanto had dumped 45 tons of PCBs into Snow Creek, a feeder for Choccolocco Creek which supplies much of the area's drinking water. The company also buried millions of pounds of PCB in open-pit landfills located on hillsides above the plant and surrounding neighborhoods.[39] In August 2003, Solutia and Monsanto agreed to pay plaintiffs $700 million to settle claims by over 20,000 Anniston residents related to PCB contamination.[40]

That's what got Aniston named 'the most toxic town in america on 60 minutes. I'm not a jump to conclusions guy, but with a father and two sisters dead prematurely from cancer, cancer, and leukemia it's not something you just dismiss out of hand.

Tell me, how is it they buried tons and tons of toxic waste in open pits and pumped the river full of poison for two generations and no one does any hard time? If you see a Monsanto board member, well, first you should punch them in the face, then, if you didn't hit them hard enough and they're still awake, tell them they can kiss JohnBigBootay's ass.

Someone explain this to me (it may be an obvious economic answer, but still...) IF there is NO difference between milk produced by regular cows and rBGH cows, WHY do they have to inject cows with that?


"It makes the cows develop faster" is the likely answer and that's why I propose government regulation, even control, of such things.

Food should be considered NATIONAL SECURITY as opposed to laissez-faire crony corporatism.

Someone told me my asthma would get better if I quit eating dairy.
I didn't believe him, but it did make me wonder.

So I quit dairy for a month-trial-and ate one giant tub of yogurt-exposure.
Bam! asthma attack.
No dairy since 2000 now.

JohnBigBootay: Tell me, how is it they buried tons and tons of toxic waste in open pits and pumped the river full of poison for two generations and no one does any hard time? If you see a Monsanto board member, well, first you should punch them in the face, then, if you didn't hit them hard enough and they're still awake, tell them they can kiss JohnBigBootay's ass.

I'll hit Mosanto because they are such assholes that they've even pissed off lawyers, and my wife is one. My father in law is a farmer and he'd like to shoot them. He won't, but they are the king assholes of the farming community.

rocky_howard: IF there is NO difference between milk produced by regular cows and rBGH cows, WHY do they have to inject cows with that?

The cows are ready faster, they grow up faster, and they produce milk faster. The government already regulates it. What you are missing is that the government WANTS this - they pay the farmers for it. We aren't tricking nature, but we are creating farms big enough to supply the US if we are cut off from outside sources.

Your food is not your own. The US government has a very real directive to make sure the country can be fed if the rest of the world disappears, and they have been working very hard towards that goal for the past 50 years. Right now they either waste or sell the excess, but there is a bean counter somewhere who is calculating energy units for every single human in the US and is making sure we create something to feed them.

There's no conspiracy here. This goes back to WWI and our interruption in trade with Europe. WWII sealed the deal once the German U-Boats proved successful. Farmers in the US are encouraged and subsidized to keep us sustained if we are shut off from the rest of the world.

It's older than the cold war mentality.

Corn has been "genetically engineered" for thousands of years. Corn wouldn't exist if humans didn't plant it year after year and didn't create viable species. Corn is a very bad crop. It sucks the life out of the ground. Indians learned to rotate their corn crops.

I just happened to see some "organic" milk at the grocery store the other day. One was $8 a gallon the other was $9.50 a gallon. We go through 4 to 6 gallons a week (@3.50/gal) around here so you can keep buying that stuff and have a gallon last 2 weeks thats fine with me. Every milk container I have seen in the past few years say that they are rBGH free anyway so I guess it doesnt matter. I'm 6'6" my wife is 6'2" and my son is 7 years old and taller than everyone in his class and almost 90lbs. Milk does a body good. My mom tells me I went through about a gallon a day all through my teens.

Most of my wifes family in Wisconsin are dairy farmers. They don't use any hormones or anything else that I know of. They feed them and milk them. They will use antibiotics if an illness is going around that the cattle might pick up. I'd rather drink milk from a cow that had a dose of antibiotics than milk from a cow that had some strange bug making it sick.

/Thinks this is a aluminum foil hat article and I'm not sure how it went green.
//Everything is going to kill us. It's just a matter of how quick and how painfull it is that we should worry about.

Veridian Dynamics. Food. Yum. (new window)

Incomptinence: Genetics based techniques are all fine and neutral and I hope to work in marker assisted plant breeding once I complete my university education.

I cannot see why anyone would trust a company so ruthless and immoral they needed to abandon the chemistry side of their business in order to dodge some of their well earned reputation. A bunch of cow hormones may not melt your face off or anything but it is still much more dangerous than anything I would entrust to Monsanto, a few nice newspapers and a park bench on the other hand...

No snark... Care to type more? I will read it when I get up again probably as you're likely asleep. But I will read it.

RodneyToady: He Who Shall Not Be Named: I'm 6'6" my wife is 6'2" and my son is 7 years old and taller than everyone in his class and almost 90lbs. Milk does a body good.

You're 6'6", your wife is 6'2", and your 7 year old is the tallest kid in the class because... of milk?

He was genetically engineered.

Make your own ice cream with non-rBST dairy. It's stupid easy to do.

RodneyToady:

You're 6'6", your wife is 6'2", and your 7 year old is the tallest kid in the class because... of milk?

It could be the taffy pulling machine he sleeps in every night?

My parents are 6'1" father and 5'9" mother. My wifes were 6' father and 5'5" mother. It had to be milk for me because I hardly ate anything when I was growing up. I would drink a glass of milk after school then head outside to play. I always had extra milk at lunch and drank it instead of soda most of the time. I'm gonna say milk played a pretty good part in it. I never at many vegatables, hardly ever as a matter of fact. I couldnt stand them. I need to start eating them as I'm starting to spread out. As my wife puts it I am "rotund".

/I know it's a cool story for someone who sounds so fat
//Did I do that right?

He Who Shall Not Be Named: I know it's a cool story for someone who sounds so fat
//Did I do that right?

Unless you have heart damage, liver disease, pancreatic issues, or flat-out diabetes, you should be fine.

Talon: Occam's Chainsaw: Imagine how much money they'd be willing to throw at the study to make it go away, or at a PI and a few news outlets to impugn the veracity of the authors, or at other groups to crank out a half dozen "nope, totally safe! we swear!" studies.

So pretty much the same exact thing the tobacco industry did, but eventually failed at? If a connection exists, even if they work to cover it up, eventually it will be uncovered.

Or everything coal and oil companies are currently doing with regard to climate change.

But... will Monsanto sue me for having their artificial hormones?

Didn't he play 3rd base for the Cubs?

No Adventure through Inner Space references?

I know, just milking it.

Honest Bender: JPJ007: There's a good reason why insulin-dependent diabetics can't just take a pill.

Because they don't have any insulin producing cells in their pancreas? How would a pill help with that?

Not all hormones are proteins. Insulin and rGBH are both protein hormones and will be broken down in the stomach.

...Children's ice cream!

RodneyToady: Crazy? Probably. Theoretically possible? Difficult, but not impossible, I'd say. We make flu vaccine in chicken eggs, so why the hell not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN33xm55C_k