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(The Week)   Woman is named "America's worst mom" because she doesn't treat her child like a snowflake, has cops called on her to boot   (theweek.com) divider line 252
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2010-08-21 01:25:04 PM
I took the subway alone when I was 9. It was how I got to school (had to go to private school to escape the bullies). I was never attacked by anyone on the train.
 
2010-08-21 01:25:11 PM
posted on May 8, 2009, at 1:26 AM

Really?
 
2010-08-21 01:28:34 PM
First - old news. Second - pretty sure I remember seeing this particular story when it was first published in 2009.
 
2010-08-21 01:28:49 PM
I like the cut of her jib.

/went on 20 mile bike rides alone when I was 9
 
2010-08-21 01:29:38 PM
I walked to school alone starting in the 1st grade. I started taking the bus in 4th grade. Never had an issue where I was in any danger. Parents have gone crazy. And this has to be a pretty recent development, because I'm only 24.
 
2010-08-21 01:30:01 PM
Transkaren: First - old news. Second - pretty sure I remember seeing this particular story when it was first published in 2009.

This thread is a great opportunity for all of the ITGs here to come talk about how they were playing with chainsaws when they were 18 months old and rifles when they were 4, so it does serve a purpose.
 
2010-08-21 01:30:31 PM
HOW COULD THE CHILD POSSIBLY SURVIVE?
 
2010-08-21 01:30:53 PM
Newsflash - some kids are ready to take the subway at 9. Some aren't.
 
2010-08-21 01:31:38 PM
silverblues: Newsflash - some kids are ready to take the subway at 9. Some aren't.

True.
 
2010-08-21 01:31:55 PM
My parents made me ride the bus alone when I was 24 and I bumped my knee on the back of the seat and got a bruise. I had them locked up for child endangerment and live in their basement from the proceeds of the civil case.
 
2010-08-21 01:32:23 PM
I guess the woman in South Carolina is not a mom anymore, this lady wins
 
2010-08-21 01:32:24 PM
What's weird for me at least was she wasn't like "Sure you can take the subway over to your aunt's" or something along those lines. It was a designed test where she said "Go find your way home now."
 
2010-08-21 01:32:37 PM
ohjeeznotthisshiatagain.
 
2010-08-21 01:32:47 PM
When I was like...a year and half old..I played with chainsaws. And then moved on to big girl toys like rifles.
 
2010-08-21 01:33:39 PM
When I was 9, I lived in the bottom of a lake...
 
2010-08-21 01:34:00 PM
A subway at 9 years of the age? OM MAGOODNESS! Next you will tell me that this woman makes the child be vaccinated from the polio disease. Also who would possible trust the clinician on Today? Those people are to science and reality as fat people are to being attractive.
 
2010-08-21 01:35:27 PM
By age nine, you should be capturing reptiles, taming wild dogs, and climbing 100 foot trees.
 
2010-08-21 01:36:07 PM
 
2010-08-21 01:36:08 PM
Bacchus-ette: When I was like...a year and half old..I played with chainsaws. And then moved on to big girl toys like rifles.

And killed yerself a baar when you was only 3? XD
 
2010-08-21 01:36:39 PM
ha-ha-guy: What's weird for me at least was she wasn't like "Sure you can take the subway over to your aunt's" or something along those lines. It was a designed test where she said "Go find your way home now."

Yes, but the kid is the one who suggested it.
 
2010-08-21 01:36:50 PM
Yeah, well as soon as you write an article about it in the paper, you're not parenting anymore, you're using your kids for work and personal attention. By continually writing about it, by going on TV shows, by writing a book, I believe she's made her true motives clear.
 
2010-08-21 01:37:00 PM
pd771: I walked to school alone starting in the 1st grade. I started taking the bus in 4th grade. Never had an issue where I was in any danger. Parents have gone crazy. And this has to be a pretty recent development, because I'm only 24.


There should probably be some consideration of exactly where we're talking about in terms of relative safety, not to mention individual differences in maturity and responsibility on the part of the child. If part of the problem is being too quick to condemn this mother because people aren't considering these important details, let's not make the same mistake.
 
2010-08-21 01:37:36 PM
boobsrgood: By age nine, you should be capturing reptiles, taming wild dogs, and climbing 100 foot trees.

By the time I was nine I'd already relapsed from cancer once and told the doc, "sure sterilize me with radiation."

And I had a bolt action .22
 
2010-08-21 01:37:40 PM
whatshisname: When I was 9, I lived in the bottom of a lake...

Luxury. We lived for three months in paper bag in a septic tank. We'd have to get up at dawn, clean the paper bag...
 
2010-08-21 01:37:54 PM
Trance750: silverblues: Newsflash - some kids are ready to take the subway at 9. Some aren't.

True.


Yes, but are they ready to walk 10 miles to school in the snow, with no shoes, backwards, and up hill both ways?
 
2010-08-21 01:38:28 PM
Psh. I was DRIVING public transit when I was 9. Not riding it.

Kids these days just don't know how to get a job and earn a living!
 
2010-08-21 01:38:33 PM
Transkaren:

First - old news. Second - pretty sure I remember seeing this particular story when it was first published in 2009.



"Like the housewives of the 1950s, today's children need to be liberated. Unlike the housewives of the '50s, the children can't do it themselves. Though I'd love to see hordes of kids gathering for meetings, staging protests, and burning their baby kneepads-and maybe they will-it is really up to us parents to start renormalizing childhood. That begins with us realizing how scared we've gotten, even of ridiculously remote dangers."



This bears repeating, over and over, until people stop treating their kids like precious snowflakes...
 
2010-08-21 01:38:43 PM
If my mom gave me a bunch of quarters when I was 9 and told me to find my way home, I would've ended up at the arcade playing Defender.

I mean, those astronauts weren't going to save themselves...
 
2010-08-21 01:39:23 PM
By age 9, you should know how to

- split a cord of firewood
- field dress anything that lives within 250m (yards for you Yanks) of you
- survive a night in the wilderness without supervision
- dress a minor wound
- navigate public transit in your hometown
- call the appropriate authority if you somehow fail at any of the above

/the appropriate authority for splitting firewood would be Dad, not the fire department
 
2010-08-21 01:39:42 PM
ShillinTheVillain: My parents made me ride the bus alone when I was 24 and I bumped my knee on the back of the seat and got a bruise. I had them locked up for child endangerment and live in their basement from the proceeds of the civil case.

A++. Would LOL again...
 
2010-08-21 01:39:46 PM
I don't care if the article is ancient and she's promoting a book, this woman is my parenting hero....
 
2010-08-21 01:40:25 PM
silverblues: Newsflash - some kids are ready to take the subway at 9. Some aren't.

Some adults are ready to take the subway and some aren't
 
2010-08-21 01:40:26 PM
As long as the kid is comfortable yelling "Stranger!" if something bad happens, it's actually pretty safe.

Nobody is going to abduct the kid when he's surrounded by dozens of other adults. A kid walking alone through the suburbs is probably a lot more vulnerable.
 
2010-08-21 01:41:35 PM
LegalHeaven: I don't care if the article is ancient and she's promoting a book, this woman is my parenting hero....

Yes. It's nice to know that every parent doesn't suck.
 
2010-08-21 01:42:23 PM
She kind of buries the lede here.

How are all the snowflakes gonna turn out? This has been going on for a while now (maybe not as widespread as it is today, but this behavior has been around), so there are plenty of young adults (who were, er, perhaps over-coddled) to look at sociologically.

I remember dorm laundry-rooms from the late eighties; half the kids walking in for the first time didn't know how to get their clothes clean in a freakin' laundromat.
 
2010-08-21 01:43:26 PM
ha-ha-guy: What's weird for me at least was she wasn't like "Sure you can take the subway over to your aunt's" or something along those lines. It was a designed test where she said "Go find your way home now."

No, it was a designed test where he was like "I want to find my way home now."

My brother and I, and all my friends, took the bus all over the place and rode our bikes for miles from about the time we were in 3rd or 4th grade, which would be this kid's age. At age 10 we would even take a couple of buses, involving a transfer and choosing the correct bus without adult intervention, to the arcade and take our money out of our own pockets and get the counter person to give us change, and stand there with our friends in the smoke-filled room full of kids and adults and games and sounds and smells and have a great time. We would realize when it was time to start heading home, which was typically about 30 minutes after we *really* should have started heading home, and then make the reverse trip on the bus.

Has the world become that more dangerous in the last 30 years or are people just running scared because the news tells them to? Have kids become stupider in the last 30 years or are parents just making all their decisions for them so they don't have to?
 
2010-08-21 01:44:18 PM
To be fair, if you're growing up in the city and you aren't riding the bus/subway/whatever by yourself by the time you're nine or ten, you're missing out on half the fun of growing up in the city.

/Subway tag is the most fun game ever.
 
2010-08-21 01:45:10 PM
Bacchus-ette: When I was like...a year and half old..I played with chainsaws. And then moved on to big girl toys like rifles.

Those darn chainsaws. Nothing but gateway weapons I tell ya.

/When I was nine I was dropped behind enemy lines with nothing but a couple of Star Wars trading cards, fishing line and the M60 my mom bought me for my seventh birthday. Of course I had to make the bullets myself using the powered bones of wild bores, but all nine year olds knew how to do that.
 
2010-08-21 01:45:57 PM
Drakmordis: By age 9, you should know how to

- split a cord of firewood
- field dress anything that lives within 250m (yards for you Yanks) of you
- survive a night in the wilderness without supervision
- dress a minor wound
- navigate public transit in your hometown
- call the appropriate authority if you somehow fail at any of the above

/the appropriate authority for splitting firewood would be Dad, not the fire department


Should add-
At least be able to identify poisonous plants (poison ivy, poison oak, sumac) and animals (different types of snakes) that live nearby.
 
2010-08-21 01:46:29 PM
Tofino: are people just running scared because the news tells them to?

Yes.
 
2010-08-21 01:46:50 PM
Tofino: Has the world become that more dangerous in the last 30 years or are people just running scared because the news tells them to? Have kids become stupider in the last 30 years or are parents just making all their decisions for them so they don't have to?

That's the key. 24 hour media, needing scapegoats after the fall of Communism, etc.
 
2010-08-21 01:48:08 PM
Tofino: Has the world become that more dangerous in the last 30 years or are people just running scared because the news tells them to? Have kids become stupider in the last 30 years or are parents just making all their decisions for them so they don't have to?

Yes to all but the underlined.
 
2010-08-21 01:48:29 PM
The problem with risks is that they always seem trivial until something happens. A 9-year-old can certainly handle regular stuff, but they really aren't prepared for all that can happen. Of course he can buy a ticket, get on the right train, find his way home. But can he handle peer pressure or bullies he might meet, etc. Same with leaving a kid at home -- it's all right until it isn't.

And the child predator thing is no joke. I guarantee you that on *every* full subway there is at least one person with a sexual predator record. A search of any neighborhood's sex criminal listings will show people living on any city block, most schools have incidents, etc.

I don't live in fear. But a 9-year-old doesn't have the full perspective required to handle all contingencies.
 
2010-08-21 01:50:55 PM
dr_iacovone: Yes, but are they ready to walk 10 miles to school in the snow, with no shoes, backwards, and up hill both ways?

If your kid is walking in the snow, shoes or no shoes, he is an idiot.

Getting to school in the snow is why God invented skis.
 
2010-08-21 01:51:39 PM
Bermuda59: silverblues: Newsflash - some kids are ready to take the subway at 9. Some aren't.

Some adults are ready to take the subway and some aren't


I believe they are called tourists.
 
2010-08-21 01:52:22 PM
Rambino: dr_iacovone: Yes, but are they ready to walk 10 miles to school in the snow, with no shoes, backwards, and up hill both ways?

If your kid is walking in the snow, shoes or no shoes, he is an idiot.

Getting to school in the snow is why God invented skis.


Skis are going to be a huge detriment if the snow is only an inch or two.
 
2010-08-21 01:52:56 PM
Whathefarkt: /When I was nine I was dropped behind enemy lines with nothing but a couple of Star Wars trading cards, fishing line and the M60 my mom bought me for my seventh birthday. Of course I had to make the bullets myself using the powered bones of wild bores, but all nine year olds knew how to do that.

They must have been especially boring in the wild.
 
2010-08-21 01:53:11 PM
He should be at home on his computer or in front of the TV getting fat. Doesn't she know how this parenting thing works?
 
2010-08-21 01:53:21 PM
jabelar: The problem with risks is that they always seem trivial until something happens. A 9-year-old can certainly handle regular stuff, but they really aren't prepared for all that can happen. Of course he can buy a ticket, get on the right train, find his way home. But can he handle peer pressure or bullies he might meet, etc. Same with leaving a kid at home -- it's all right until it isn't.

But that's true for everything. Your child is almost certainly more at risk visiting the neighbor with the pool than he is on the subway.

Or visiting your uncle, for that matter - most child sexual assaults are committed by friends and family, not strangers.

We expose our children to dangers every day - we have to. But we are strangely irrational about some risks.
 
2010-08-21 01:53:45 PM
Tofino:

Has the world become that more dangerous in the last 30 years or are people just running scared because the news tells them to? Have kids become stupider in the last 30 years or are parents just making all their decisions for them so they don't have to?


People are running scared because the news is telling them too. And we've gotten scarier graphics and more ominous background music compared to when I graduated (read: given a diploma and told to get the hell out) 20 years ago. And parents (in concert with school administrators) are making decisions for their kids rather than letting the little farks learn from screwing something up. The result is a bunch of whining, stupid chickenshiats.
 
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