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2010-08-20 11:21:47 AM
I knew James Dolan had that blues band thing going on, but I never actually bothered to check it out before. HOLY CRAP THAT SHIAT SUCKED. The other guys in the band can barely contain their smirks.
 
2010-08-20 11:44:53 AM
I stopped reading when he said Charles Barkley was one of the 20 greatest NBA players of all time.
 
2010-08-20 12:00:35 PM
You think the Nolan Ryan picture is prevalent in LA, Bill? Come to Texas. Half the bars in the area have that picture in a frame on the wall.

Does Nolan enjoy the fact that he wailed on Ventura? Hell yes.
 
2010-08-20 12:02:27 PM
A Sports Guy thread? Been a while....

Can't wait for people to hate on him because he's a homer. Or how he was better before the Red Sox won in '04. Or how his NFL picks are no better than a coin flip. Or how his NBA columns are boring.

Followed by the people who will remind you that you don't have to read him if you don't like him.

/likes him
//hates these threads
 
2010-08-20 12:09:11 PM
mitchcumstein1: I stopped reading when he said Charles Barkley was one of the 20 greatest NBA players of all time.

It's definitely arguable, but I'd say if you were trying to name the 20 greatest, Sir Charles belongs in the discussion

Disclaimer: I willingly bought Simmons' Book of Basketball, which has his opinions of the top 96 NBA players to the time of publication. While I disagreed with the ordering (Kobe a shade too low, Iverson way to high etc. Also, I'd have Bird above Magic) I could not disagree with the names therein.

Although rating the '86 Celtics over the '96 (72-win) Bulls in his team chapter was utter bullshiat.
 
2010-08-20 12:12:54 PM
LucklessWonder: Kobe a shade too low, Iverson way to high

He's since admitted that both of these are probably true.
 
2010-08-20 12:20:01 PM
I'm only pissed that Nolan was wearing a Rangers jersey instead of an Astros jersey for the asskicking.
 
2010-08-20 12:21:32 PM
bmfderek: I'm only pissed that Nolan was wearing a Rangers jersey instead of an Astros jersey for the asskicking.

That would have been awesome. Hey Ventura! You got your ass kicked by an old guy wearing a rainbow on his chest!
 
2010-08-20 12:24:14 PM
homarjr: A Sports Guy thread? Been a while....

Can't wait for people to hate on him because he's a homer. Or how he was better before the Red Sox won in '04. Or how his NFL picks are no better than a coin flip. Or how his NBA columns are boring.

Followed by the people who will remind you that you don't have to read him if you don't like him.

/likes him
//hates these threads


I submitted his last column, in which he wrote about a supposed encounter with John Hannah when Simmons was tending bar. Hannah explained his 1970s holdout on the grounds that it was about respect, not money, and said that being underpaid would have sapped his confidence. And Simmons bought it. Simmons bought same "it's about respect" line that agents have been feeding their players for 30 years or more. Simmons believed that John Freaking Hannah, one of the most dominant and imposing human beings ever to don football pads, could have gone all emo because of the way the front office paid him and what that meant they must have thought about him. There could have been a good thread about that. But alas, no greenlight.

/but it's not too late to have the good thread about it now....
 
2010-08-20 12:29:08 PM
Super Chronic: I submitted his last column, in which he wrote about a supposed encounter with John Hannah when Simmons was tending bar. Hannah explained his 1970s holdout on the grounds that it was about respect, not money, and said that being underpaid would have sapped his confidence. And Simmons bought it. Simmons bought same "it's about respect" line that agents have been feeding their players for 30 years or more. Simmons believed that John Freaking Hannah, one of the most dominant and imposing human beings ever to don football pads, could have gone all emo because of the way the front office paid him and what that meant they must have thought about him. There could have been a good thread about that. But alas, no greenlight.

He had John Hannah on his latest podcast. Hannah explained a lot about why he held out, including the old NFL rules about not having free agency and not being able to publicly disclose your salary. Interesting stuff.
 
2010-08-20 12:30:58 PM
I'll wait for the Tommy from Quinzee version.
 
2010-08-20 12:34:24 PM
LucklessWonder: mitchcumstein1: I stopped reading when he said Charles Barkley was one of the 20 greatest NBA players of all time.

It's definitely arguable, but I'd say if you were trying to name the 20 greatest, Sir Charles belongs in the discussion

Disclaimer: I willingly bought Simmons' Book of Basketball, which has his opinions of the top 96 NBA players to the time of publication. While I disagreed with the ordering (Kobe a shade too low, Iverson way to high etc. Also, I'd have Bird above Magic) I could not disagree with the names therein.

Although rating the '86 Celtics over the '96 (72-win) Bulls in his team chapter was utter bullshiat.


Nate Archibald at 60 is a travesty, Stockton not in the top 20 is a crime and Wilt at 7 and Oscar at 9 is a farking joke.
 
2010-08-20 12:36:03 PM
LucklessWonder: Although rating the '86 Celtics over the '96 (72-win) Bulls in his team chapter was utter bullshia

He's been biatching about that for years.
 
2010-08-20 12:39:11 PM
Dolan is awful. Checketts was awful. I don't know what would happen if the MSG ownership was ever competent.
 
2010-08-20 12:39:17 PM
Hell, I'm a White Sox fan and now I'm considering buying a signed copy of that Ryan-Ventura picture.
 
2010-08-20 12:44:00 PM
mitchcumstein1: Nate Archibald at 60 is a travesty, Stockton not in the top 20 is a crime and Wilt at 7 and Oscar at 9 is a farking joke.

I'll be honest, I don't know enough about Nate Archibald to be able to comment. As for Stockton, who would you drop out of the top 20 to accommodate him? The only one I could see is maybe Moses Malone, but that might just be because I don't like Moses.

As for Wilt and Oscar, I think they should switch spots. As I said, I agree with 99% of the players, just not neccessarily where they are ranked.
 
2010-08-20 12:44:47 PM
robsul82: LucklessWonder: Although rating the '86 Celtics over the '96 (72-win) Bulls in his team chapter was utter bullshia

He's been biatching about that for years.


And he's been wrong for years on that one.
 
2010-08-20 12:46:04 PM
JerseyTim: Super Chronic: I submitted his last column, in which he wrote about a supposed encounter with John Hannah when Simmons was tending bar. Hannah explained his 1970s holdout on the grounds that it was about respect, not money, and said that being underpaid would have sapped his confidence. And Simmons bought it. Simmons bought same "it's about respect" line that agents have been feeding their players for 30 years or more. Simmons believed that John Freaking Hannah, one of the most dominant and imposing human beings ever to don football pads, could have gone all emo because of the way the front office paid him and what that meant they must have thought about him. There could have been a good thread about that. But alas, no greenlight.

He had John Hannah on his latest podcast. Hannah explained a lot about why he held out, including the old NFL rules about not having free agency and not being able to publicly disclose your salary. Interesting stuff.


It was the hat part that struck a chord with me. If you didn't listen to it, the story went something like this: Back in the day you weren't supposed to tell anyone what you made, so everyone in a locker room wrote down their salary on a piece of paper, put it in a hat, and they'd draw out the papers and read off the numbers in front of everyone, and in this way you learned what everyone was making in relation to yourself. And there was Hannah, at the time a Pro-Bowl lineman, making like $30-40k I think, while all these other numbers were being pulled out in the $100-150k range or something like that.

If any of us found out one day we were getting paid 30% what most of our co-workers were getting, they'd be lucky if we didn't torch the building, let alone quit on the spot or demand a raise. When you also consider that there wasn't any free agency back then...yeah, I probably would have held out too.
 
2010-08-20 12:47:55 PM
FTFA:nd eventually, I think Robin Ventura is going to snap, fly to Texas, show up at a Rangers game with his fists balled and say "All right, old man, you want a piece of me???" It's going to be like a scene from a bad '80s sports movie -- the downtrodden loser getting his revenge in the end -- but it's going to happen in our lifetimes.

I hope this happens, because Nolan would beat the hell out of Ventura, again.

//And then go back to hawking beef during commercials.
 
2010-08-20 12:52:24 PM
i'll just leave this here.


redstatebluestate.mlblogs.com
 
2010-08-20 12:53:25 PM
bmfderek: I'm only pissed that Nolan was wearing a Rangers jersey instead of an Astros jersey for the asskicking.


isn't it great? Rangers in 1st place, Astros continuing to suck, just like all Houston sports in general.
 
2010-08-20 12:57:39 PM
drew46n2: isn't it great? Rangers in 1st place, Astros continuing to suck, just like all Houston sports in general.

FTFY.
 
2010-08-20 01:02:36 PM
kobe may be a great player, but he's an ass and perhaps a rapist. i can't farking stand his fakeness and would hate to be his teammate. nah, i'm kidding if i could play in the NBA (and cash their paychecks and live their life) i would even if it was with that douchenozzle kobe.
 
2010-08-20 01:15:19 PM
LucklessWonder: mitchcumstein1: Nate Archibald at 60 is a travesty, Stockton not in the top 20 is a crime and Wilt at 7 and Oscar at 9 is a farking joke.

I'll be honest, I don't know enough about Nate Archibald to be able to comment. As for Stockton, who would you drop out of the top 20 to accommodate him? The only one I could see is maybe Moses Malone, but that might just be because I don't like Moses.

As for Wilt and Oscar, I think they should switch spots. As I said, I agree with 99% of the players, just not neccessarily where they are ranked.


Nate Arhibald is the only guy to ever lead the NBA in points and assists in the same season. He just had the bad luck of playing for the Kansas City Kings when he did it.

I would drop Charles Barkley out of the top 20 for John Stockton without a second thought. I mean, Stockton is #1 all time, in assists and steals, and Charles Barkley never lead the the league...in anything, save personal fouls.
 
2010-08-20 01:15:36 PM
jayhawk88: If any of us found out one day we were getting paid 30% what most of our co-workers were getting, they'd be lucky if we didn't torch the building, let alone quit on the spot or demand a raise. When you also consider that there wasn't any free agency back then...yeah, I probably would have held out too.

Not only paid less, but considered better at your job than almost everyone else too.
 
2010-08-20 01:17:06 PM
Let's say I retired in 20 years and turned this column over to my son, but he couldn't write and didn't know anything about sports. You would think this was weird. You would make fun of him. You would say, "Why the hell would ESPN employ Simmons' son, isn't this the strangest thing ever?" "Man, this kid is a chip off the old block"

Fixed
 
2010-08-20 01:19:04 PM
Simmons is only tolerable outside of NBA season, seriously the guy just can't shut up about the Celtics and nobody cares.
 
2010-08-20 01:19:45 PM
Oh gawd. That Nolan Ryan-Robin Ventura thing again?

Haven't you people ever gave anyone noogies?

You probably haven't thought about that fight in a while.

You must not surf around much.

It's pathetic that Nolan Ryan did all he did in his career and this is what people talk about now.
 
2010-08-20 01:21:36 PM
KAVORKA: Simmons is only tolerable outside of NBA season, seriously the guy just can't shut up about the Celtics and nobody cares.

I actually think he spreads it around quite well with the NBA. I usually just skim over the Celtics fanboy stuff, but he does a lot with the other teams. Heck, he's practically a Kevin Durant cheerleader.

ALL his baseball stuff is about the Red Sox, however.
 
2010-08-20 01:38:23 PM
Gonz [TotalFark] Quote 2010-08-20 12:57:39 PM
drew46n2: isn't it great? Rangers in 1st place, Astros continuing to suck, just like all Houston sports in general.

FTFY.

Hey, there's a lot of good cocaine in Houston
 
2010-08-20 01:39:04 PM
mitchcumstein1: Oscar at 9 is a farking joke.

Completely agree. And I have no problem with Barkley in the top 20 - you could slide him to 25 maybe but no lower than that.
 
2010-08-20 01:42:02 PM
drew46n2: i'll just leave this here.

I liked and respected both those players. I just get sad for Robin Ventura that he'll probably be remembered most for this when he was actually an extremely good fielder and hit a lot of grand slams.
 
2010-08-20 01:53:23 PM
JerseyTim: ALL his baseball stuff is about the Red Sox, however.

Yep. Even when it's not about the Red Sox, he'll find a way to steer it to the Red Sox. Some team makes a big play and the column will turn to "it's just like that stolen base Dave Roberts had in the ALCS...." and the next thing you know, there are three paragraphs on why the Dave Roberts stolen base was a paradigm-shifting event.
 
2010-08-20 01:54:31 PM
JohnBigBootay: mitchcumstein1: Oscar at 9 is a farking joke.

Completely agree. And I have no problem with Barkley in the top 20 - you could slide him to 25 maybe but no lower than that.


Really, I don't know? Barkley never lead the league in rebounding, scoring, or blocks, or really anything. He was a very good defender, especially for his size, I will give him that, but he never won a title, he was never the best at anything in the league.

He was good, but at the end of the day, he was a 6'4'' power forward who was good at a lot of things, but great at nothing. He was an all time top 25 personality, but I don't see it as a player. There are a lot of guys who did a lot things a lot better than he did.
 
2010-08-20 01:59:50 PM
drew46n2: i'll just leave this here.

They Ryan-Ventura fight is sort of like the famous Bo Jackson - Brian Bosworth collision, which was the subject of a thread a few days ago. The general consensus there was that it was one of the more overrated "pwnage" moments in sports history; Bosworth made a poor tackle but it's not like he was physically overpowered and steamrolled into the endzone as many people seem to have remembered it. I put the Ryan-Ventura fight in the same category. Ryan did just fine, but to hear people tell the story you'd think he went all Chuck Norris on Ventura's sorry little juvenile ass. As it happened, Ryan landed a couple of noogies and then was swept under the wave of the brawl; it was not nearly the epic ass-kicking so many people seem to think it was.
 
2010-08-20 02:06:54 PM
Super Chronic: drew46n2: i'll just leave this here.

They Ryan-Ventura fight is sort of like the famous Bo Jackson - Brian Bosworth collision, which was the subject of a thread a few days ago. The general consensus there was that it was one of the more overrated "pwnage" moments in sports history; Bosworth made a poor tackle but it's not like he was physically overpowered and steamrolled into the endzone as many people seem to have remembered it. I put the Ryan-Ventura fight in the same category. Ryan did just fine, but to hear people tell the story you'd think he went all Chuck Norris on Ventura's sorry little juvenile ass. As it happened, Ryan landed a couple of noogies and then was swept under the wave of the brawl; it was not nearly the epic ass-kicking so many people seem to think it was.


The best part of the Ventura/Ryan story is that Ventura was ejected and then Ryan immediately picked off the guy who running for him. Heh.
 
2010-08-20 02:11:04 PM
Is this an advertisment for the Sports Guy? I stopped reading once he got all snarky and thought he was the most incredible thing ever.

Greenlit?

Lame.
 
2010-08-20 02:14:28 PM
I think this guy gets paid by the word
 
2010-08-20 02:35:26 PM
mitchcumstein1: Really, I don't know? Barkley never lead the league in rebounding, scoring, or blocks, or really anything. He was a very good defender, especially for his size, I will give him that, but he never won a title, he was never the best at anything in the league.

Wow, is there any way you could be more wrong? You even praised him for the thing he wasn't good at!
 
2010-08-20 02:43:27 PM
Barkley won an MVP over Jordan right in the middle of Jordan's prime. He arguably should have won an MVP over Magic in Magic's prime (he received more 1st place votes than Magic and was named "NBA player of the year" by a lot of publications, but came in 2nd). Plus he was a VERY effecient scorer for somebody who scored as much as he did (he shot 60% at least 1 year) and a very very good rebounder. I think that he certainly belongs in the top 20.
 
2010-08-20 02:46:20 PM
mitchcumstein1: He was good, but at the end of the day, he was a 6'4' power forward who was good at a lot of things, but great at nothing. He was an all time top 25 personality, but I don't see it as a player. There are a lot of guys who did a lot things a lot better than he did.

He probably never was the best at anything. But he was really damn good at all the major stats and he performed consistently for a long time. From the wiki:

In 2000, he retired as one of only four players in NBA history with 20,000 points, 10,000 rebounds and 4,000 assists

Yeah, he gets some buzz from being a funny guy. And he was short for his position so maybe the mundane seems more incredible because of his height. And you can get all star teams you don't deserve. But you can't fake the points, rebounds and assists. He was a legitimately great player.
 
2010-08-20 02:48:20 PM
ESPN: People magazine for sub-40 yr old males.
 
2010-08-20 02:55:39 PM
JohnBigBootay: mitchcumstein1: He was good, but at the end of the day, he was a 6'4' power forward who was good at a lot of things, but great at nothing. He was an all time top 25 personality, but I don't see it as a player. There are a lot of guys who did a lot things a lot better than he did.

He probably never was the best at anything. But he was really damn good at all the major stats and he performed consistently for a long time. From the wiki:

In 2000, he retired as one of only four players in NBA history with 20,000 points, 10,000 rebounds and 4,000 assists

Yeah, he gets some buzz from being a funny guy. And he was short for his position so maybe the mundane seems more incredible because of his height. And you can get all star teams you don't deserve. But you can't fake the points, rebounds and assists. He was a legitimately great player.


I just think great is a stretch. Very Good? Yes. Hall of Famer? Sure. One of the 20 best players ever? No.
 
2010-08-20 02:58:15 PM
bronyaur1: ESPN: People magazine for sub-40 yr old males.

I skipped the jennifer aniston part. WTF? If The Boston Sports Guy of maybe 10-15 years ago read that shiat he'd invent the time machine just so he could come to the future to kill himself. I like writers who can be nuanced and discuss other topics. I'd just prefer those topics not be the only stuff somehow more meaningless than professional sports.
 
2010-08-20 02:59:06 PM
IAmRight: mitchcumstein1: Really, I don't know? Barkley never lead the league in rebounding, scoring, or blocks, or really anything. He was a very good defender, especially for his size, I will give him that, but he never won a title, he was never the best at anything in the league.

Wow, is there any way you could be more wrong? You even praised him for the thing he wasn't good at!


None of what I said is wrong. He never led the league in any of those things, and he sure as shiat never won a title. At every point in his career there was a better scorer or rebounder in the league than he was.

So, yes, I could be more wrong.
 
2010-08-20 03:07:19 PM
LucklessWonder: And he's been wrong for years on that one.

Yep. Definitely.

jayhawk88: It was the hat part that struck a chord with me. If you didn't listen to it, the story went something like this: Back in the day you weren't supposed to tell anyone what you made, so everyone in a locker room wrote down their salary on a piece of paper, put it in a hat, and they'd draw out the papers and read off the numbers in front of everyone, and in this way you learned what everyone was making in relation to yourself. And there was Hannah, at the time a Pro-Bowl lineman, making like $30-40k I think, while all these other numbers were being pulled out in the $100-150k range or something like that.

If any of us found out one day we were getting paid 30% what most of our co-workers were getting, they'd be lucky if we didn't torch the building, let alone quit on the spot or demand a raise. When you also consider that there wasn't any free agency back then...yeah, I probably would have held out too.


One of his best podcasts, a real look into a different era of football.

Most laughable part, though, was where the inevitable "which QBs from now could play then?" question came up. I think Hannah said Favre and Brees could, and then Simmons immediately says Brady, the guy who asks for flags and gets them.

Krazikarl: Barkley won an MVP over Jordan right in the middle of Jordan's prime.

Much like Karl Malone's MVP, Barkley's MVP was "we're tired of giving it to Jordan every year."
 
2010-08-20 03:10:25 PM
JohnBigBootay: bronyaur1: ESPN: People magazine for sub-40 yr old males.

I skipped the jennifer aniston part. WTF? If The Boston Sports Guy of maybe 10-15 years ago read that shiat he'd invent the time machine just so he could come to the future to kill himself. I like writers who can be nuanced and discuss other topics. I'd just prefer those topics not be the only stuff somehow more meaningless than professional sports.


Moving to LA did turn Bill's brain into mush, no doubt.
 
2010-08-20 03:22:55 PM
mitchcumstein1: One of the 20 best players ever? No.

Name your top 20 or STFU.
 
2010-08-20 03:24:47 PM
mitchcumstein1: Oscar at 9 is a farking joke.

Out of curiousity, of the players in front of him in the list, who would you move behind him?
 
2010-08-20 03:40:18 PM
i think Kobe winning his fifth championship might move Simmons back to the "under dog" status, or make his head explode (either would be entertaining). if they win this year again, i will love reading his columns next year.

his responses to the Shaq signing have been also fun to watch.
 
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