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2010-08-20 02:41:19 PM
blondiegrrl007: 1. As a middle-aged, suburban, educated, professional, married mother, I qualify as a "soccer mom." I am also an ultra liberal, tofu eating, green tea sipping, CSA subscriber. So yeah, there is such a thing as blended demographics. I know your tiny brain has trouble grasping that, but try to stay with us here.

The "green tea" part kind of made me think she was trolling.

It just doesn't fit in with the rest of the post. Maybe 20 years ago "Green Tea" was a hippy thing. Today you can get a green tea Slurpee at 7-11. Green tea is mainstream, it's arguably harder to find "regular tea" in a lot of places.

At my house, we don't even call ti "Green tea" we just call it "tea" and the bags we use to brew it are manufactured by those Hippies at Lipton.
 
2010-08-20 02:42:17 PM
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: I haven't ever seen an NAACP rally with people chanting "we're here, we're n*ggers, get used to it" or announcements from the "N*gger Alliance"

As an aside, if I ever DID see such a rally, I think I would kill myself afterwards because, having witnessed the greatest moment in the history of the universe, there would be nothing left to live for.

"We're HERE! We're N**GERS! GET USED TO IT!!!!"

/laughing for last 15 minutes
 
2010-08-20 02:42:19 PM
jmadisonbiii: I suppose the same people outraged at Target probably think it's just peachy for labor unions to extract money from their members and give it almost exclusively to one political party...thus pissing off half of their membership base. Target customers probably have a hell of a lot more lot more choice in the matter of where to shop than do the union members do about their membership.

Hey, great talking point! Too bad the "Citizens United" decision made both unions and Target able to give unlimited amounts of money.

I'd be fine with reversing that...yet I don't see the GOP giving two shiats since corporations give FAR more money than unions do.
 
2010-08-20 02:42:29 PM
JohnBigBootay: Go ahead and lambaste me but I think the government should be by the people for the people and it should be illegal for corporations to give a nickel for any political campaign, party, or candidate. Either way. Ever.

And politicians and parties should not be allowed to accept a penny from corporations for any reason, ever. In fact, I think the rule should be that if you accept the privilege of holding a national public office, you forfeit the right to earn certain kinds of income for the duration of holding that office. Serving should constitute some kind of sacrifice. You wanna clean up Washington? Remove a few dozen trucks full of money and everything else will take care of itself and we'd all be a lot better off.


I think your math is off by a factor of 100.
 
2010-08-20 02:44:10 PM
blondiegrrl007

1. As a middle-aged, suburban, educated, professional, married mother, I qualify as a "soccer mom." I am also an ultra liberal, tofu eating, green tea sipping, CSA subscriber. So yeah, there is such a thing as blended demographics. I know your tiny brain has trouble grasping that, but try to stay with us here.

Yeah, but do you do cartwheels on beaches in a thong very often?
 
2010-08-20 02:44:38 PM
I bet if they were giving money to liberal candidates and gay rights, none of these people would be complaining.
 
2010-08-20 02:44:39 PM
rufus-t-firefly: jmadisonbiii: I suppose the same people outraged at Target probably think it's just peachy for labor unions to extract money from their members and give it almost exclusively to one political party...thus pissing off half of their membership base. Target customers probably have a hell of a lot more lot more choice in the matter of where to shop than do the union members do about their membership.

Hey, great talking point! Too bad the "Citizens United" decision made both unions and Target able to give unlimited amounts of money.

I'd be fine with reversing that...yet I don't see the GOP giving two shiats since corporations give FAR more money than unions do.


His point was that you don't have to shop at Target but for a lot of jobs you have to join a union.
 
2010-08-20 02:45:03 PM
Falcon Hunter: So, what the hell are you talking about?

When a company donates money to a candidate, where does that money come from? Anyone? Anyone? From the Cus...Anyone?...tomers.

When the Candidates receiving the money advocate policy contrary to policies that the customers support, those customers might find it in their best interest to stop giving their money to the company who then gives it to the candidate.

This is called a...Anyone? A Boy...Anyone? Bueller? A Boy...Cott.
 
2010-08-20 02:45:12 PM
Burning_Monk: This could all be avoided if companies wouldn't give money to people were smart enough to not vote for political candidates.

/crazy I know.


FTFY!

/now with %100 less crazy
 
2010-08-20 02:46:10 PM
blondiegrrl007: smileynyc Barbigazi - to address your other point, I said their major shopper isn't the urban, ultra liberal, tofu eating, green tea sipping, CSA subsrciber. Its the soccer mom.

The point that Target treats its queer employees well was to state that Target is not actually homophobic. The people who are all worked up about this are, I repeat, dumbasses.

1. As a middle-aged, suburban, educated, professional, married mother, I qualify as a "soccer mom." I am also an ultra liberal, tofu eating, green tea sipping, CSA subscriber. So yeah, there is such a thing as blended demographics. I know your tiny brain has trouble grasping that, but try to stay with us here.


You sound fat and ugly. I thought you shopped at the Piggly Wiggly?

2. Correct. Target is (probably) not actually homophobic, at least not deliberately. It matters not what their intentions were when the outcome is the same. Hence, contributing to a homophobic candidate was a dumbass move on their part.

So, you would suggest that they contribute campaign dollars to a candidate that may not have their business interests in mind? Do you know why Target chose to contribute to candidate as opposed to another? Do you know whether they weighed the pros and cons of the candidates different business platforms? Do you know what the hell you're talking about or are you assuming you know everything based on a few news/angry-blogger reports and a simple press release?

3. You're a dumbass.

Glass houses, stones, etc.
 
2010-08-20 02:46:47 PM
I assume there are other reasons why Target backed this candidate. I find it hard to believe they gave him money because he opposes gay marriage.

If there was an intelligent candidate who I believed could balance a state budget, create jobs, improve the educational system and mass transit, and also happened to oppose gay marriage - well I could live with that. Better that than someone wearing a rainbow pin who will cut jobs, increase spending, and take money away from schools.
 
2010-08-20 02:48:40 PM
Wytchone: Barbigazi: This is an exciting result of the Citizens united ruling. Companies can give to campaigns but we know who they are and where that money went.

I agree and its a none issue. For now. I HATED the SCOTUS for making this ruling. IMO to much chance for abuse and buying elections.

Lets see if a new law is created.


there is a law still pending in Congress that -Surprise- the Republicans are filibustering, that will, quite Constitutionally, neuter Citizens United. bascially it requires all organizations contributing to campaigns that have less than 1 million mebers and have been around for less than 10 years (aka everybody but the NRA) to disclose who is funding them, and forbids giving by any company with more that 20% foreign ownership and companies having any contracts with the federal government
 
2010-08-20 02:50:03 PM
The Homer Tax: Falcon Hunter: So, what the hell are you talking about?

When a company donates money to a candidate, where does that money come from? Anyone? Anyone? From the Cus...Anyone?...tomers.

When the Candidates receiving the money advocate policy contrary to policies that the customers support, those customers might find it in their best interest to stop giving their money to the company who then gives it to the candidate.

This is called a...Anyone? A Boy...Anyone? Bueller? A Boy...Cott.


And for every dollar you don't spend because you have an issue with whatever policy, there will be just as many lined up to take your place for the same reasons you abhor.

Why don't you educate me: When and where was the last time a threat of a boycott actually carried any weight?
 
2010-08-20 02:51:07 PM
TheOtherMisterP: I assume there are other reasons why Target backed this candidate. I find it hard to believe they gave him money because he opposes gay marriage.

If there was an intelligent candidate who I believed could balance a state budget, create jobs, improve the educational system and mass transit, and also happened to oppose gay marriage - well I could live with that. Better that than someone wearing a rainbow pin who will cut jobs, increase spending, and take money away from schools.


Like the outgoing incumbents?
 
2010-08-20 02:51:26 PM
FTGodWin: Burning_Monk: This could all be avoided if companies wouldn't give money to people were smart enough to not vote for political candidates.

/crazy I know.

FTFY!

/now with %100 less crazy


No one voting is 100% less crazy? Uh, why do you hate democracy?
 
2010-08-20 02:51:58 PM
what_now: smileynyc: By major investor you meant people who control less than 1 percent of Target / Best Buy stock.

You know, this is actually a pretty big deal. Target cannot afford a boycott from gay and gay friendly people.

Target is basically an upscale wal mart, and "hippy dumbasses" like me buy a LOT of useless stuff there.


So where would upscale hippy dumbasses going to go to buy their gazillion threadcount bedsheets, overpriced electronic devices, trendy candle displays and the like? I know I'm not going to see your asses in Wal-Mart, that's where the uneducated masses shop.
 
2010-08-20 02:52:05 PM
JohnBigBootay: Go ahead and lambaste me but I think the government should be by the people for the people and it should be illegal for corporations to give a nickel for any political campaign, party, or candidate. Either way. Ever.

And politicians and parties should not be allowed to accept a penny from corporations for any reason, ever. In fact, I think the rule should be that if you accept the privilege of holding a national public office, you forfeit the right to earn certain kinds of income for the duration of holding that office. Serving should constitute some kind of sacrifice. You wanna clean up Washington? Remove a few dozen trucks full of money and everything else will take care of itself and we'd all be a lot better off.


I'm for that as long as it's also illegal for unions to give donations as well as any other organized group like the NRA.
 
2010-08-20 02:53:36 PM
 
2010-08-20 02:53:51 PM
Ohhhh, and they gave to a conservative. There ought to be a ton of ones and zeroes expended in this thread.

/have at it, ladies
 
2010-08-20 02:53:54 PM
smileynyc: Barbigazi - to address your other point, I said their major shopper isn't the urban, ultra liberal, tofu eating, green tea sipping, CSA subsrciber. Its the soccer mom.

All the soccer moms I know, including my wife and all her soccer mom friends, are urban, liberal, tofu eating, green tea sipping, CSA subscribers.
 
2010-08-20 02:55:02 PM
Falcon Hunter: jmadisonbiii: I suppose the same people outraged at Target probably think it's just peachy for labor unions to extract money from their members and give it almost exclusively to one political party...thus pissing off half of their membership base. Target customers probably have a hell of a lot more lot more choice in the matter of where to shop than do the union members do about their membership.

This.


THAT actually.

Who controls the unions? The Members. How do they pick thier leaders (who decide who to give to)? By a direct vote with each union memeber getting a single vote just like every other.

Who controls a corporation? The board of directors. How do they chose those board memebers/ by a vote of the Shareholders on the principle of one SHARE one vote, meaning that a single wealthy individual can have complete or near complete contol over hte corporation.

Can you see how these things might be slightly different?

/and while we're at it Who Controls frogtown?
 
2010-08-20 02:55:32 PM
Falcon Hunter: Why don't you educate me: When and where was the last time a threat of a boycott actually carried any weight?

www.britishbattles.com

Does this count?
 
2010-08-20 02:56:00 PM
Howie Spankowitz : I sold my Target stock when this happened.

Somebody bought your target stock when this happened :P
 
2010-08-20 02:56:35 PM
Will this affect the prices for the stuff I buy at Target?

No?

Moving on then...
 
2010-08-20 02:56:58 PM
sparrow794: what_now: smileynyc: By major investor you meant people who control less than 1 percent of Target / Best Buy stock.

You know, this is actually a pretty big deal. Target cannot afford a boycott from gay and gay friendly people.

Target is basically an upscale wal mart, and "hippy dumbasses" like me buy a LOT of useless stuff there.

So where would upscale hippy dumbasses going to go to buy their gazillion threadcount bedsheets, overpriced electronic devices, trendy candle displays and the like? I know I'm not going to see your asses in Wal-Mart, that's where the uneducated masses shop.


Here (new window)

Or here (new window)
 
2010-08-20 02:57:45 PM
Magorn: Falcon Hunter: jmadisonbiii: I suppose the same people outraged at Target probably think it's just peachy for labor unions to extract money from their members and give it almost exclusively to one political party...thus pissing off half of their membership base. Target customers probably have a hell of a lot more lot more choice in the matter of where to shop than do the union members do about their membership.

This.

THAT actually.

Who controls the unions? The Members. How do they pick thier leaders (who decide who to give to)? By a direct vote with each union memeber getting a single vote just like every other.

Who controls a corporation? The board of directors. How do they chose those board memebers/ by a vote of the Shareholders on the principle of one SHARE one vote, meaning that a single wealthy individual can have complete or near complete contol over hte corporation.

Can you see how these things might be slightly different?

/and while we're at it Who Controls frogtown?


You're adorable.
 
2010-08-20 02:58:03 PM
What were they thinking?

Everyone knows that the only political candidates that you donate to are the ones that the gays say to donate to.
 
2010-08-20 02:59:10 PM
Krymson Tyde: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: "N*gger Alliance"

Is that a hip-hop group?


No, no - it's NAACP - N*gger Alliance for the Advancement of Colored People.
 
2010-08-20 02:59:17 PM
DownDaRiver: What were they thinking?

Everyone knows that the only political candidates that you donate to are the ones that the gays say to donate to.


...According to the agenda...
 
2010-08-20 03:00:12 PM
smileynyc: And any candidate that is right on 80% of the issues and wrong on the gay issue deserves to be burned!

Yes.
 
2010-08-20 03:02:09 PM
Major investors?

FTA "One of Trillium's clients, the Portland, Ore.-based Equity Foundation, divested a small Target holding of 170 shares on Wednesday"

This must've crushed the stock.
 
2010-08-20 03:07:04 PM
deeproy: smileynyc: plus, you're pissing me off. Doesn't moveon.org have anything better to do?

Aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnddddddddddddddddd welcome to the ignore list.


No one gives a fark about your ignore list.
 
2010-08-20 03:09:18 PM
Falcon Hunter: And for every dollar you don't spend because you have an issue with whatever policy, there will be just as many lined up to take your place for the same reasons you abhor.

Great. I hope more people who hate gays shop at Target, and let everyone know that's why.

Why don't you educate me: When and where was the last time a threat of a boycott actually carried any weight?

Ummm...right now? It's obviously carrying *some* way as evidenced by Targets aforementioned "Oh Shiat" apology tour.
 
2010-08-20 03:13:38 PM
what_now: smileynyc: By major investor you meant people who control less than 1 percent of Target / Best Buy stock.

You know, this is actually a pretty big deal. Target cannot afford a boycott from gay and gay friendly people.

Target is basically an upscale wal mart, and "hippy dumbasses" like me buy a LOT of useless stuff there.


Which is why this really pisses me off. I recently started going to Target as opposed to Wal Mart because of their increased customer service (as in, actually having enough checkout lines open). Now it looks like I'm stuck back with wallyworld.
 
2010-08-20 03:18:15 PM
We expect companies to evaluate candidates based upon the range of their positions - not simply one area - and assess whether they are in alignment with their core values.



Heh. Like what letter is after their name?
 
2010-08-20 03:18:45 PM
Oh my gosh! A corporation contributed money to a campaign. Well it is kind of dumb when they could just wait to see who gets elected and then buy him like most other big companies do. You going to boycott Wal-Mart too because they tend to contribute a million or so each cycle. As far as Target goes if you notice the opposition to the candidate they donated to is Mark Dayton former owner of Target. Maybe you should consider they might know something about him that you don't. I suspect it was more of an anti Dayton donation than an endorsment.

BTW Target is helping to build a park in my neighborhood. What has Wal-Mart done for yours. Not to mention when my mom opened a women's shelter she when to the local dept stores to get donations to help out. The Kmart in town $150(to be fair they are broke), Wal-Mart 40 miles away $500, Target store 40 miles away $1500.
 
2010-08-20 03:19:18 PM
smileynyc: My original argument was 1% of stockholders is not equal to 'major investors'.

Then I moved on to the fact that the root of this whole 'crisis' isn't really about gay rights; Target has made offers to donate money to causes, issued apologies, etc. This whole thing has been hijacked by people who go into spasms whenever money is given to a Republican candidate. Why? because -ack- the gay issue is the ONLY issue that matters. And any candidate that is right on 80% of the issues and wrong on the gay issue deserves to be burned! This is the only issue that matters! Its all about us!!


Or maybe pay attention to every issue that particular candidate is espousing and realize that ANY corporation donating ANY money to that campaign was going to get a TON of bad press here in MN.
 
2010-08-20 03:19:40 PM
Beeblebrox: No one gives a fark about your ignore list.

Way off-topic but seriously, this. I haven't been on FARK in a while and I'm noticing two disturbing trends:
1) The incredibly annoying over-use of the word "derp". Someone else made a funny and you're repeating it ad infinitum. That doesn't make you funny, it makes you a parrot.
2) Some farkers nattering on endlessly about their ignore lists. If you really can't stand what someone else is saying/trolling, then ignore away I guess (though it still seems like a sissy thing to do). But to take the extra step of publicly announcing that you're ignoring someone, as though that will impress/depress/upset them, just seems like an impotent way to end the debate.

/Meh, whatever. It's FARK, after all.
//Ignore me.
 
2010-08-20 03:22:51 PM
NEWS FLASH: One group of asshats does not like another group of asshats. Boycot to ensue...

I won't stop/start shopping because you don't like the way they vote. Oh the oppression.

Democrats and Republicans. Same shiat, different piles.

/Independent
//Going to see my lesbian friend, smoke a bowl.
 
2010-08-20 03:23:11 PM
Target gave $150,000 and Best Buy $100,000 to a business-focused political fund helping a conservative Republican gubernatorial candidate in Minnesota, triggering a national backlash from gay rights groups and liberals.

Hhhmmm ok.. I must be missing something here...I mean a large percentage of Target customers are gays and also liberal leaning. Why would they want to contribute officially to a tea party candidate that is openly anti gay?

...or maybe they've done indepth survey/study that shows their customer base won;t be affected no matter what political affiliations they are connected with.
 
2010-08-20 03:25:33 PM
SuperNinjaToad: Why would they want to contribute officially to a tea party candidate that is openly anti gay?


The theory is that Target supports benefits for same sex partners because it buys them a demographic that will choose to buy from them rather than Wal Mart.

Once the GOP makes doing that illegal, Target can quit doing it, save money, and just claim they want to do the right thing but they just can't...
 
2010-08-20 03:27:38 PM
Rapmaster2000: bravesfan44: smileynyc: By major investor you meant people who control less than 1 percent of Target / Best Buy stock.


Subby = hippy dumbass.

This is good to know. I don't shop at either very often and now I know I never will again.

But where will you get Monster Cables?!


Amazon.
 
2010-08-20 03:28:04 PM
SuperNinjaToad: Target gave $150,000 and Best Buy $100,000 to a business-focused political fund helping a conservative Republican gubernatorial candidate in Minnesota, triggering a national backlash from gay rights groups and liberals.

Hhhmmm ok.. I must be missing something here...I mean a large percentage of Target customers are gays and also liberal leaning. Why would they want to contribute officially to a tea party candidate that is openly anti gay?

...or maybe they've done indepth survey/study that shows their customer base won;t be affected no matter what political affiliations they are connected with.



Or MAYYYBE as a corporation with thousands of front end workers you are drooling over Emmer's promise to slash the min. wage?
 
2010-08-20 03:28:16 PM
SuperNinjaToad: Hhhmmm ok.. I must be missing something here...I mean a large percentage of Target customers are gays and also liberal leaning. Why would they want to contribute officially to a tea party candidate that is openly anti gay?

This candidate helps them business-wise. Tax breaks, zoning issues, etc. It has nothing to do with the customer base.
 
2010-08-20 03:28:59 PM
zxcasd1: Rapmaster2000: bravesfan44: smileynyc: By major investor you meant people who control less than 1 percent of Target / Best Buy stock.


Subby = hippy dumbass.

This is good to know. I don't shop at either very often and now I know I never will again.

But where will you get Monster Cables?!

Amazon.


For the record, that was a joke. I buy custom Canare and Belden for my audio room from Blue Jeans Cable (new window), and you should, too.
 
2010-08-20 03:30:57 PM
what_now: Target is basically an upscale wal mart

"Target" and "upscale" do not belong together in any sentence except this one.
 
2010-08-20 03:34:10 PM
What self-respecting gay man shops at Target? (Gay women, on the other hand...)
 
2010-08-20 03:34:19 PM
That Reilly Monster: Beeblebrox: No one gives a fark about your ignore list.

Way off-topic but seriously, this. I haven't been on FARK in a while and I'm noticing two disturbing trends:
1) The incredibly annoying over-use of the word "derp". Someone else made a funny and you're repeating it ad infinitum. That doesn't make you funny, it makes you a parrot.
2) Some farkers nattering on endlessly about their ignore lists. If you really can't stand what someone else is saying/trolling, then ignore away I guess (though it still seems like a sissy thing to do). But to take the extra step of publicly announcing that you're ignoring someone, as though that will impress/depress/upset them, just seems like an impotent way to end the debate.

/Meh, whatever. It's FARK, after all.
//Ignore me.


The only use I could see for that is if somebody regularly posts something like spam or requests to see their website and then offer nothing interesting. I actually favorite the trolls and highlight them in colors based on their bias (left = red) and right = blue) morons in green, cause they make me laugh.
 
2010-08-20 03:34:58 PM
zxcasd1: For the record, that was a joke. I buy custom Canare and Belden for my audio room from Blue Jeans Cable (new window), and you should, too.


Those are pretty good prices on the HDMI cables...
 
2010-08-20 03:35:27 PM
smileynyc: By major investor you meant people who control less than 1 percent of Target / Best Buy stock.


Subby = hippy dumbass.


You must be a wingnut dick.
 
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