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(Yahoo)   Major investors in Target would like it to explain what the hell it thought it was doing giving away their money to political candidates and pissing off half its customer base   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 238
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2010-08-20 10:05:05 AM
This is a big, first domino.
 
2010-08-20 10:20:11 AM
By major investor you meant people who control less than 1 percent of Target / Best Buy stock.


Subby = hippy dumbass.
 
2010-08-20 10:23:04 AM
smileynyc: By major investor you meant people who control less than 1 percent of Target / Best Buy stock.

You know, this is actually a pretty big deal. Target cannot afford a boycott from gay and gay friendly people.

Target is basically an upscale wal mart, and "hippy dumbasses" like me buy a LOT of useless stuff there.
 
2010-08-20 10:27:36 AM
This is an exciting result of the Citizens united ruling. Companies can give to campaigns but we know who they are and where that money went.
 
2010-08-20 10:32:33 AM
Barbigazi: This is an exciting result of the Citizens united ruling. Companies can give to campaigns but we know who they are and where that money went.

It's a start, but yeah I agree...good to keep an eye out.
 
2010-08-20 10:35:09 AM
what_now: smileynyc: By major investor you meant people who control less than 1 percent of Target / Best Buy stock.

You know, this is actually a pretty big deal. Target cannot afford a boycott from gay and gay friendly people.

Target is basically an upscale wal mart, and "hippy dumbasses" like me buy a LOT of useless stuff there.


They might cave just to please you, then funnel the money through a party you can't trace. The majority of urban - democratic people aren't heavy Target shoppers. You aren't anywhere close to their most powerful group. Soccer moms are.

/plus, you're pissing me off. Doesn't moveon.org have anything better to do?
 
2010-08-20 10:36:29 AM
I sold my Target stock when this happened. It's the free market at work. I would think the Fark Independents would be celebrating this kind of private sector investor activism.

And...this is a great quote FTA:
"A good corporate political contribution policy should prevent the kind of debacle Target and Best Buy walked into," said Trillium vice president Shelley Alpern. "We expect companies to evaluate candidates based upon the range of their positions - not simply one area - and assess whether they are in alignment with their core values. But these companies' policies are clearly lacking that."

As a very civically-engaged local small business owner, I have gone at it with the leaders of our Chamber of Commerce about their very narrow perspective of what constitutes a business-friendly candidate or policy. Like too many other institutions, our Chamber has been overrun by social conservatives and they've lost focus on economic development and job creation and long term business retention. Pissing off gays, ethnic and religious groups doesn't put the best foot forward for your business community.
 
2010-08-20 10:37:45 AM
smileynyc: what_now: smileynyc: By major investor you meant people who control less than 1 percent of Target / Best Buy stock.

You know, this is actually a pretty big deal. Target cannot afford a boycott from gay and gay friendly people.

Target is basically an upscale wal mart, and "hippy dumbasses" like me buy a LOT of useless stuff there.

They might cave just to please you, then funnel the money through a party you can't trace. The majority of urban - democratic people aren't heavy Target shoppers. You aren't anywhere close to their most powerful group. Soccer moms are.

/plus, you're pissing me off. Doesn't moveon.org have anything better to do?


No, Target is aimed heavily at urban areas and itself co-sponsors the Twin Cities Pride. They gave money to a pro-business group who turned around and supported a pro-business candidate who also happened to be a raging homophobe. The CEO sent out a letter of apology to all Target employees.

You don't seem to know shiat.
 
2010-08-20 10:42:59 AM
Barbigazi: smileynyc: what_now: smileynyc: By major investor you meant people who control less than 1 percent of Target / Best Buy stock.

You know, this is actually a pretty big deal. Target cannot afford a boycott from gay and gay friendly people.

Target is basically an upscale wal mart, and "hippy dumbasses" like me buy a LOT of useless stuff there.

They might cave just to please you, then funnel the money through a party you can't trace. The majority of urban - democratic people aren't heavy Target shoppers. You aren't anywhere close to their most powerful group. Soccer moms are.

/plus, you're pissing me off. Doesn't moveon.org have anything better to do?

No, Target is aimed heavily at urban areas and itself co-sponsors the Twin Cities Pride. They gave money to a pro-business group who turned around and supported a pro-business candidate who also happened to be a raging homophobe. The CEO sent out a letter of apology to all Target employees.

You don't seem to know shiat.


I do know shiat. I'm writing to one right now.

Target has had an extremely gay friendly workplace for years. Do any of the protestors care? No. They just care about a Republican candidate getting cash. Because they are dumbasses.
 
2010-08-20 10:45:05 AM
smileynyc: Target has had an extremely gay friendly workplace for years. Do any of the protestors care? No. They just care about a Republican candidate getting cash. Because they are dumbasses.

So you've changed your argument from "They don't care about gays" to "They've always cared about gays".

Good job lady, you're farking retarded.
 
2010-08-20 10:47:38 AM
I hope Target's problems make other CEOs think twice about who they are giving money to. I think they are coming to the realization that you buy the whole package when you give to a candidate.
 
2010-08-20 10:50:42 AM
My original argument was 1% of stockholders is not equal to 'major investors'.

Then I moved on to the fact that the root of this whole 'crisis' isn't really about gay rights; Target has made offers to donate money to causes, issued apologies, etc. This whole thing has been hijacked by people who go into spasms whenever money is given to a Republican candidate. Why? because -ack- the gay issue is the ONLY issue that matters. And any candidate that is right on 80% of the issues and wrong on the gay issue deserves to be burned! This is the only issue that matters! Its all about us!!
 
2010-08-20 10:54:20 AM
smileynyc: My original argument was 1% of stockholders is not equal to 'major investors'.

Then I moved on to the fact that the root of this whole 'crisis' isn't really about gay rights; Target has made offers to donate money to causes, issued apologies, etc. This whole thing has been hijacked by people who go into spasms whenever money is given to a Republican candidate. Why? because -ack- the gay issue is the ONLY issue that matters. And any candidate that is right on 80% of the issues and wrong on the gay issue deserves to be burned! This is the only issue that matters! Its all about us!!


You sound like you work for Target and were forced to write one of these apology letters. Whatever the case, you sound deeply wounded.
 
2010-08-20 10:55:47 AM
smileynyc: The majority of urban - democratic people aren't heavy Target shoppers. You aren't anywhere close to their most powerful group. Soccer moms are.

You aren't even worth the time it takes to read your foolishness.
 
2010-08-20 10:59:18 AM
Barbigazi - to address your other point, I said their major shopper isn't the urban, ultra liberal, tofu eating, green tea sipping, CSA subsrciber. Its the soccer mom.

The point that Target treats its queer employees well was to state that Target is not actually homophobic. The people who are all worked up about this are, I repeat, dumbasses.
 
2010-08-20 11:00:54 AM
sigdiamond2000: smileynyc: My original argument was 1% of stockholders is not equal to 'major investors'.

Then I moved on to the fact that the root of this whole 'crisis' isn't really about gay rights; Target has made offers to donate money to causes, issued apologies, etc. This whole thing has been hijacked by people who go into spasms whenever money is given to a Republican candidate. Why? because -ack- the gay issue is the ONLY issue that matters. And any candidate that is right on 80% of the issues and wrong on the gay issue deserves to be burned! This is the only issue that matters! Its all about us!!

You sound like you work for Target and were forced to write one of these apology letters. Whatever the case, you sound deeply wounded.


Don't work for Target, I used to volunteer for MoveOn until it became corrupt and did shiat like this.
 
2010-08-20 11:02:23 AM
smileynyc: Barbigazi - to address your other point, I said their major shopper isn't the urban, ultra liberal, tofu eating, green tea sipping, CSA subsrciber. Its the soccer mom.

The point that Target treats its queer employees well was to state that Target is not actually homophobic. The people who are all worked up about this are, I repeat, dumbasses.



You sound like an awful person.
 
2010-08-20 11:02:50 AM
smileynyc: Don't work for Target, I used to volunteer for MoveOn until it became corrupt and did shiat like this.

Protesting what you believe to be a corporate contribution that doesn't reflect well on your company is corruption?
 
2010-08-20 11:03:24 AM
Same back at ya!

/calling someone 'retard' and saying 'you don't know shiat' doesn't make you seem nice, sir.
 
2010-08-20 11:04:44 AM
smileynyc: I said their major shopper isn't the urban, ultra liberal, tofu eating, green tea sipping, CSA subsrciber. Its the soccer mom.

That must be why Target is falling all over themselves apologizing for this...because they're worried they've offended soccer moms.
 
2010-08-20 11:07:04 AM
smileynyc: /calling someone 'retard' and saying 'you don't know shiat' doesn't make you seem nice, sir.

Sometimes, the truth hurts.
 
2010-08-20 11:08:34 AM
GAT_00: smileynyc: Don't work for Target, I used to volunteer for MoveOn until it became corrupt and did shiat like this.

Protesting what you believe to be a corporate contribution that doesn't reflect well on your company is corruption?


Its right up there with Sarah Palin's wharrgble about the Mosque at Ground Zero. I don't believe she cares, she is just doing it to whip up her base.

MoveOn does the same thing now - it takes an issue like this and whips up a frenzy. They are both corrupt in my opinion.
 
2010-08-20 11:16:54 AM
For real guys, I used to volunteer for MoveOn! I just don't like queers or liberals.


Troll.
 
2010-08-20 11:21:30 AM
smileynyc: My original argument was 1% of stockholders is not equal to 'major investors'.

Then I moved on to the fact that the root of this whole 'crisis' isn't really about gay rights; Target has made offers to donate money to causes, issued apologies, etc. This whole thing has been hijacked by people who go into spasms whenever money is given to a Republican candidate. Why? because -ack- the gay issue is the ONLY issue that matters. And any candidate that is right on 80% of the issues and wrong on the gay issue deserves to be burned! This is the only issue that matters! Its all about us!!


and yet when the CEO of target tried to defend the contribution, he was the one that said the ONLY issue that mattered to Target was that the candidate's policies would benefit Target economically.

Which meant that he himself made the boycott the correct response to his actions. If target were a real person and my next door neighbor who was supporting a candidate I diod't like. I might sit him down an engage him in a conversation on the issues. Point out that while yes, the candidate's tax cut promise was attractive, he was going to pay for it by cutting funds to schools and road repair which would make our quality of life and that of our Children suffer. or I might point out that the candidate's view on social issues were so extreme that if he he were elected we'd see all sorts of policies enacted that we found personally or morally repugnant.

But since target is a corporate person, and by its own admission doesn't care about any of those things, the only way I can get it to "change its vote" is to make supporting him cost the company more than any benefit they might derive from the candidate furture economic policies. And the easiest way for me to do that as a consumer is very simply, not shop there.

Corporations are only allowed to give beause they won a court ruling that essentially equated money and speech. Well if money is speech then where you spend it makes a clear cogent argument that even a corporate person can hear and understand.
 
2010-08-20 11:26:40 AM
Gay people shop at Target???? Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!
 
2010-08-20 11:30:15 AM
Barbigazi: For real guys, I used to volunteer for MoveOn! I just don't like queers or liberals.


Troll.


Never said I don't like queers. And you're just calling troll because you're loosing the argument. Why not call me a Nazi and go full force?
 
2010-08-20 11:32:59 AM
smileynyc: Barbigazi: For real guys, I used to volunteer for MoveOn! I just don't like queers or liberals.


Troll.

Never said I don't like queers. And you're just calling troll because you're loosing the argument. Why not call me a Nazi and go full force?


Which argument? The one where Target doesn't care about gays or the one where they always have? Or the one about Moveon, or how boycotts are somehow corrupt?

You've loosed the stupid in here.
 
2010-08-20 11:34:52 AM
smileynyc: Never said I don't like queers.

"Honestly. Some of my best friends are ni--ers."

smileynyc: "And you're just calling troll because you're loosing the argument.

If you can't spell "lose," that means you do.

smileynyc: Why not call me a Nazi and go full force?

Because a Godwin that's goaded doesn't count.
 
2010-08-20 11:38:02 AM
MaxxLarge: Because a Godwin that's goaded doesn't count.

A Goadwin?
 
2010-08-20 11:40:10 AM
Oh dear.. spell checking has come into play.

Barbigazi has one thing right - I hate the super liberal left. If I ever met barbigazi I'd probably call him a douchbag. Then I'd try to explain that I have to leave for work now. It would probably be a new concept for him, seeing as he probably feels that money is the root of all evil and he prefers to spend all day playing with watercolors.

/koombaya my lord.. koombaya.
 
2010-08-20 11:43:07 AM
Howie Spankowitz: A Goadwin?

Or, in your case, just "win."

/newsletter
 
2010-08-20 11:43:25 AM
smileynyc: Oh dear.. spell checking has come into play.

Barbigazi has one thing right - I hate the super liberal left. If I ever met barbigazi I'd probably call him a douchbag. Then I'd try to explain that I have to leave for work now. It would probably be a new concept for him, seeing as he probably feels that money is the root of all evil and he prefers to spend all day playing with watercolors.

/koombaya my lord.. koombaya.


I live in nyc and have been at work since 9:00 this morning. Have a good day at the Target.
 
2010-08-20 11:58:08 AM
smileynyc: Barbigazi has one thing right - I hate the super liberal left. If I ever met barbigazi I'd probably call him a douchbag. Then I'd try to explain that I have to leave for work now. It would probably be a new concept for him, seeing as he probably feels that money is the root of all evil and he prefers to spend all day playing with watercolors.

The super liberal left: At once jobless, stupid, lazy hippies who hate money and, at the same time, all-powerful, dastardly supervillians who strike fear into the hearts of two of the biggest corporations in the world and control asset management companies through their powerful brainwaves.

www.comedycouch.com

What a country!
 
2010-08-20 12:01:44 PM
smileynyc: Oh dear.. spell checking has come into play.

Hey, Fark has always had a "You Must Be This Smart To Ride" sign next to the gate. And if you can't spell, or properly string a coherent sentence together? Then we reserve the right to ascribe a far lighter weight to your "arguments" than we might otherwise. Reason being, crap grammar is a big red flag that the person using it is either under-educated, or apathetic...if not a fair measure of both.

farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2010-08-20 12:08:45 PM
I love the "you don't know shiat about working" argument from farkers who are rolling out to their jobs at noon where they won't be allowed access to the internet.
 
2010-08-20 12:11:29 PM
smileynyc: I hate the super liberal left

And yet you volunteered for MoveOn.org. Hold on, my bullshiat meter just exploded.
 
2010-08-20 12:17:44 PM
MaxxLarge: smileynyc: Never said I don't like queers.

"Honestly. Some of my best friends are ni--ers."


Not trying to defend smileywhargarbl, but since when is queer the same as n*gger? Particularly when there are organizations that call themselves "Queer Alliance"

I haven't ever seen an NAACP rally with people chanting "we're here, we're n*ggers, get used to it" or announcements from the "N*gger Alliance"
 
2010-08-20 12:20:40 PM
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: MaxxLarge: smileynyc: Never said I don't like queers.

"Honestly. Some of my best friends are ni--ers."

Not trying to defend smileywhargarbl, but since when is queer the same as n*gger? Particularly when there are organizations that call themselves "Queer Alliance"

I haven't ever seen an NAACP rally with people chanting "we're here, we're n*ggers, get used to it" or announcements from the "N*gger Alliance"


Queer is like the N-bomb in that it was a slur that the group took back and is using in defiance of bigots.
 
2010-08-20 12:30:54 PM
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Not trying to defend smileywhargarbl, but since when is queer the same as n*gger? Particularly when there are organizations that call themselves "Queer Alliance" I haven't ever seen an NAACP rally with people chanting "we're here, we're n*ggers, get used to it" or announcements from the "N*gger Alliance"

Apparently, you haven't experienced any hip-hop music or Def Comedy Jam recorded in the last three decades.
 
2010-08-20 12:40:09 PM
real shaman: Gay people shop at Target???? Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Yes, and they also buy their gas at BP stations.

I wonder if gays go to Home Depot? We should look into that.
 
2010-08-20 12:46:07 PM
There is so much love in this thread! Who wants a naked hug?
 
2010-08-20 12:49:02 PM
NewportBarGuy: There is so much love in this thread! Who wants a naked hug?

SHUT UP!
 
2010-08-20 12:50:32 PM
Not sure which is more hilarious, a known(albeit a bit obscure)troll going full retard, or watching the reg's go after them. Since it's been rather one sided since they were added to my ignore list ages ago, it's kinda like watching all my favorite farkers talking to a wall :D


NewportBarGuy: There is so much love in this thread! Who wants a naked hug?

Hold on, let me chase these percocets with some bourbon, I might change my mind on that...

/got into a bit of a bike accident the other day
//torn muscles and all that
 
2010-08-20 12:51:36 PM
Barbigazi: NewportBarGuy: There is so much love in this thread! Who wants a naked hug?

SHUT UP!


We can always make him wear the emergency tighty whiteys... Now where are my tongs....
 
2010-08-20 01:05:33 PM
Barbigazi: This is an exciting result of the Citizens united ruling. Companies can give to campaigns but we know who they are and where that money went.

Unfortunately, there was a second ruling stating something along the lines that companies don't have to identify themselves if the contribution is towards a PAC-style group that doesn't directly coordinate ads.
 
2010-08-20 01:10:38 PM
Barbigazi: SHUT UP!

Well, someone isn't invited to the tickle party.

If Pershing Square Capital gets on board, Target will actually listen. It's a start, but unless you have a really significant stake and a mouthpiece like CNBC or Bloomberg willing to air your views, the board is probably going to ignore you.
 
2010-08-20 01:13:48 PM
Hyppy: Barbigazi: This is an exciting result of the Citizens united ruling. Companies can give to campaigns but we know who they are and where that money went.

Unfortunately, there was a second ruling stating something along the lines that companies don't have to identify themselves if the contribution is towards a PAC-style group that doesn't directly coordinate ads.


The loophole there is that they can give to candidates via numerous LLCs that are virtually untraceable (at least not without going to a lot of effort) back to the actual folks who are behind them.
 
2010-08-20 01:20:34 PM
smileynyc: Then I moved on to the fact that the root of this whole 'crisis' isn't really about gay rights; Target has made offers to donate money to causes, issued apologies, etc. This whole thing has been hijacked by people who go into spasms whenever money is given to a Republican candidate. Why? because -ack- the gay issue is the ONLY issue that matters. And any candidate that is right on 80% of the issues and wrong on the gay issue deserves to be burned! This is the only issue that matters! Its all about us!!

The person that is "right" on 50% of issues is probably playing lipservice to the businesses that demand a certain stance those issues before they will provide money. Every candidate nowadays is generally going to be pro-business on the basic issue set. Another 40% is controlled by basic party politics: Vote for/against health care, vote for/against increased defense spending, etc. It's the remaining 10%, like gay rights, that truly differentiate the candidates. If a stink isn't raised about important civil rights issues, then the candidates with hateful ideologies will continue to receive funding from the businesses that put them in power. Once businesses fear boycotts and consumer retribution, though, they will think twice about which of the Republican or Democratic candidates they will endorse and fund. It's not like the pool is that small. Years before the actual race, the chambers of commerce and various political groups start the decision chain of who will be given the go-ahead to run. Now, there is an additional checkmark: "Will this candidate cause our organization to be ostracized because of a bigoted agenda?"
 
2010-08-20 02:06:56 PM
smileynyc: By major investor you meant people who control less than 1 percent of Target / Best Buy stock.


Subby = hippy dumbass.


This is good to know. I don't shop at either very often and now I know I never will again.
 
2010-08-20 02:08:15 PM
smileynyc: Barbigazi: For real guys, I used to volunteer for MoveOn! I just don't like queers or liberals.


Troll.

Never said I don't like queers. And you're just calling troll because you're loosinglooosing the argument. Why not call me a Nazi and go full force?


FTFY

/Sorry. Pet peeve
 
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