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(Toledo Blade)   Conservative radio host lectures homeowner behind on mortgage about the rules of home ownership; neglects to mention he stopped paying his on own mortgage last December and was taken to court   (toledoblade.com) divider line 153
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2010-08-19 06:17:50 PM
Conservative hypocrisy is not the exception. It's the rule.
 
2010-08-19 06:20:42 PM
Obvious tag's house just went into foreclosure.
 
2010-08-19 06:23:53 PM
"Wilson - an avowed conservative and Libertarian"

There we go.
 
2010-08-19 06:23:57 PM
Well then, smart guy, he probably knows a lot about the rules of home ownership from all those Final Notice mailings, doesn't he?
 
2010-08-19 06:27:42 PM
where does it say he "lectured" them?

all I could find was FTFA: "Wilson said during the broadcast that there were rules and laws that needed to be followed, but added, "Where do they stop and where does the compassion and the warm fuzzies begin?""
 
2010-08-19 06:39:31 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: where does it say he "lectured" them?

all I could find was FTFA: "Wilson said during the broadcast that there were rules and laws that needed to be followed, but added, "Where do they stop and where does the compassion and the warm fuzzies begin?""


Both in the literal sense of telling a person what to do, and in the sense of rebuking them, your quoted passage implies lecturing.
 
2010-08-19 06:43:17 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: where does it say he "lectured" them?

So the blatant contradictions between his words and his own actions are totally cool as long as he didn't "lecture" someone?
 
2010-08-19 06:46:21 PM
GAT_00: So the blatant contradictions between his words and his own actions are totally cool as long as he didn't "lecture" someone?

what contradiction?

He said certain laws need to be followed, and it looks like he followed them in his foreclosure.

True, I don't have the entire broadcast, but neither does subby or the previous posters.

Based on what he said, I see no lecturing or contradictions in his words or actions.
 
2010-08-19 06:48:34 PM
meowgret thatcher: Both in the literal sense of telling a person what to do, and in the sense of rebuking them, your quoted passage implies lecturing.

"Wilson said during the broadcast that there were rules and laws that needed to be followed"


This is the author/journalist the jist of what he said, not how he said, thats not a direct quote.

but added, "Where do they stop and where does the compassion and the warm fuzzies begin?""

Thats the only direct quote from this guy on the subject, and I don't see how that can be construed as "lecturing"
 
2010-08-19 06:48:57 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: GAT_00: So the blatant contradictions between his words and his own actions are totally cool as long as he didn't "lecture" someone?

what contradiction?

He said certain laws need to be followed, and it looks like he followed them in his foreclosure.

True, I don't have the entire broadcast, but neither does subby or the previous posters.

Based on what he said, I see no lecturing or contradictions in his words or actions.


So you're sticking with the "LALALA conservatives can do no wrong" thing then?
 
2010-08-19 06:51:17 PM
GAT_00: So you're sticking with the "LALALA conservatives can do no wrong" thing then?

Can't counter the argument huh?

So you sticking with the "LALALA, I don't care about facts when it's about a conservative" thing then?
 
2010-08-19 07:03:44 PM
FireBreathingLiberal: Conservative hypocrisy is not the exception. It's the rule.

gameshowhost: "Wilson - an avowed conservative and Libertarian"

Wait a second guys.

If he personally stays under in his own mortgage, this is BAD for him, and a strategic foreclosure is good for him personally.

If everybody does it, it will cause the economy to go under, which is bad for him personally.

They are all about PERSONAL responsibility you see, and he is acting as a rational actor looking out for his own personal interests - just like in every good free-market economy.

So you see, there is no hypocrisy here!
 
2010-08-19 07:22:46 PM
Is it true that you have be born in Toledo or you will get sick?
 
2010-08-19 07:48:18 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: Can't counter the argument huh?

What argument? You're argument is "I'm right because I said so." It's impossible to counter someone else's stupidity when they are willingly stupid.
 
2010-08-19 07:58:57 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: GAT_00: So the blatant contradictions between his words and his own actions are totally cool as long as he didn't "lecture" someone?

what contradiction?

He said certain laws need to be followed, and it looks like he followed them in his foreclosure.



If you're in foreclosure, you already broke the rules you agreed to follow.
 
2010-08-19 08:09:16 PM
GAT_00: hat argument? You're argument is "I'm right because I said so."

My argument is "I'm right because I pointed out that article doesn't match the "OMG!! conservastive hypocrite"

"It's impossible to counter someone else's stupidity when they are willingly stupid."

Yeah, you certainly excel at proving that.
 
2010-08-19 08:10:55 PM
kmmontandon: If you're in foreclosure, you already broke the rules you agreed to follow.

According to my mortgage if I stop making payments, the bank gets my house back.

So, if I stop making the payments and they take the house back, I'm following the rules.
 
2010-08-19 08:52:33 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: conservastive hypocrite

What part of berating someone for falling into foreclosure while being in foreclosure yourself isn't hypocritical?
 
2010-08-19 08:53:50 PM
Also:

Spanky_McFarksalot: So, if I stop making the payments and they take the house back, I'm following the rules.

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There is no other way to respond to such logic.
 
2010-08-19 08:58:50 PM
GAT_00: What part of berating someone for falling into foreclosure while being in foreclosure yourself isn't hypocritical?

The only actual quote in this article related to it from this person was "Where do they stop and where does the compassion and the warm fuzzies begin?"

How do you get "berating" someone from that?
 
2010-08-19 09:05:47 PM
GAT_00: There is no other way to respond to such logic.

Thanks, I stole it from some fark liberals in one of the foreclosure threads.
 
2010-08-19 09:14:06 PM
Subby here and I consider myself a conservative. I pay my bills. I've never been even a single f*cking day late in paying my mortgage in the 24 years I've owned homes.

People like this slug Brian Wilson are not true conservatives.
 
2010-08-19 09:18:50 PM
Speaker2Animals: Subby here and I consider myself a conservative. I am a responsible adult. I pay my bills. I've never been even a single f*cking day late in paying my mortgage in the 24 years I've owned homes.

People like this slug Brian Wilson are not true conservatives responsible adults.


FTFY

/being responsible has nothing to do with conservative, centrist or liberal. just being an adult.
 
2010-08-19 09:20:19 PM
GAT_00: There is no other way to respond to such logic.

Try this one.
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2010-08-19 09:20:30 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: kmmontandon: If you're in foreclosure, you already broke the rules you agreed to follow.

According to my mortgage if I stop making payments, the bank gets my house back.

So, if I stop making the payments and they take the house back, I'm following the rules.


See, a mortgage is a CONTRACT. When you sign a CONTRACT, you agree to be bound by the rules of the CONTRACT. Rule one of contract is that you make payments on the schedule specified in the CONTRACT.

What part of this do you not understand? Cause I can speak slower next time.
 
2010-08-19 09:23:04 PM
Isolated overzealous staffer windbag. Nothing to see here.
 
2010-08-19 09:23:21 PM
Close2TheEdge: Rule one of contract is that you make payments on the schedule specified in the CONTRACT.

and if I stop making those payments my CONTRACT has a resolution; the mortgage company takes the house back.

It's right there in my CONTRACT.
 
2010-08-19 09:23:25 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: Thanks, I stole it from some fark liberals in one of the foreclosure threads.

Resolved: Conservatives are often hypocrites, saying one thing and doing the opposite.

Example: Conservative radio host speaks of home ownership rules while ignoring them.

You: I don't like Fark Liberals.
 
2010-08-19 09:26:05 PM
sendtodave: Example: Conservative radio host speaks of home ownership rules while ignoring them.

Where do you find that in the article? I only found one quote related to him talking about home ownership.

You: I don't like Fark Liberals.

I don't like fark conservatives either, so what?
 
2010-08-19 09:26:10 PM
Is it FARK or liberalism that drives all comments to begin with name calling and end with questioning the motives of people with whom they disagree?
 
2010-08-19 09:26:55 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: kmmontandon: If you're in foreclosure, you already broke the rules you agreed to follow.

According to my mortgage if I stop making payments, the bank gets my house back.

So, if I stop making the payments and they take the house back, I'm following the rules.


In obtaining money from the bank to buy the house, you sign what's known as a "promissory note." Implicit in that word is the word "promise." If you stop making your monthly payments, you have broken that promise.

A completely separate issue: If you stop because you don't have the money (laid off, medical expenses, etc.) that's one thing. But if you simply stop paying because you're under water, or you've moved and cannot sell the old house, you have no standing to blather into a microphone about anyone else's shortcomings, be they politicians or regular people.

In short, STFU Mr. Wilson!
 
2010-08-19 09:28:31 PM
FireBreathingLiberal: Conservative hypocrisy is not the exception. It's the rule.

Kinda like when liberal politicians espouse higher taxes, then don't pay theirs at all, right? Right?
 
2010-08-19 09:28:45 PM
Man, not even through the first page and it's already devolved into a flamewar. And here I was thinking it would be a cut and dry case of FARK bashing on conservative hypocrisy.
 
2010-08-19 09:29:56 PM
Speaker2Animals: But if you simply stop paying because you're under water, or you've moved and cannot sell the old house, you have no standing to blather into a microphone about anyone else's shortcomings, be they politicians or regular people.

Is that what this person did? Because the article doesn't say anything about him not making payments because his homes "underwater".

If thats what he did, then yes, total hypocrite.
 
2010-08-19 09:30:00 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: Close2TheEdge: Rule one of contract is that you make payments on the schedule specified in the CONTRACT.

and if I stop making those payments my CONTRACT has a resolution; the mortgage company takes the house back.

It's right there in my CONTRACT.


Exactly. It's the penalty you have to pay for breaking the rules of the agreement.
 
2010-08-19 09:34:15 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: Speaker2Animals: But if you simply stop paying because you're under water, or you've moved and cannot sell the old house, you have no standing to blather into a microphone about anyone else's shortcomings, be they politicians or regular people.

Is that what this person did? Because the article doesn't say anything about him not making payments because his homes "underwater".

If thats what he did, then yes, total hypocrite.


Well, he stopped paying when he bought a house in Virginia, so he presumably just didn't want to pay on two mortgages. Whatever the reason, he just stopped paying and violated the rules of the agreement.

Spanky_McFarksalot: kmmontandon: If you're in foreclosure, you already broke the rules you agreed to follow.

According to my mortgage if I stop making payments, the bank gets my house back.

So, if I stop making the payments and they take the house back, I'm following the rules.


If I rob a liquor store and get sentenced to prison for five years, I'm following the rules.
 
2010-08-19 09:34:24 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: GAT_00: What part of berating someone for falling into foreclosure while being in foreclosure yourself isn't hypocritical?

The only actual quote in this article related to it from this person was "Where do they stop and where does the compassion and the warm fuzzies begin?"

How do you get "berating" someone from that?


I've been trying to find the audio of the show online to hear that sentence spoken. But even in writing I can hear the snark dripping off it. I am using the local mini-Rush-wannabee in Atlanta, the Kimmer, whose show follows Rush on the radio as a guide, but a sentence like that couldn't be spoken without it sounding like it was in a contemptuous, condescending tone. I listen to right-wing radio on occasion, trying to be fair and balanced and give the benefit of the doubt, but I still come away thinking "What a willfully ignorant, hatemongering prick." And yet many sit, with glazed eyes, lapping it up and not bothering to fact check any of it. Scary.

/the Kimmer hung up on me when I asked his opinion about Bush rubberstamping Dubai's handling of US ports. It was the lead story in every news outlet, and the Kimmer's topic of the day was something like homeschooling vs public schools. What a puss.
 
2010-08-19 09:35:45 PM
Speaker2Animals: Subby here and I consider myself a conservative. I pay my bills. I've never been even a single f*cking day late in paying my mortgage in the 24 years I've owned homes.

People like this slug Brian Wilson are not true conservatives.


Your implication is that paying your bills on time is a "conservative" trait. I have news for you, buttercup - liberals pay their mortgages, too. Hell, just last night I even paid a utility bill!

Maybe I read it wrong but it really seems like you believe only conservatives are equipped to handle a household budget. If that's the case, blow it out your ass.
 
2010-08-19 09:36:36 PM
Speaker2Animals: Well, he stopped paying when he bought a house in Virginia, so he presumably just didn't want to pay on two mortgages. Whatever the reason, he just stopped paying and violated the rules of the agreement.

Ok, that seems much more hypocritical. It's typical of the do as say not as I do of people who think they know better than the rest of us.

"If I rob a liquor store and get sentenced to prison for five years, I'm following the rules."

It's not illegal to stop making a mortgage payment.
 
2010-08-19 09:37:16 PM
jennyz: Kinda like when liberal politicians espouse higher taxes, then don't pay theirs at all, right? Right?

Nah, it's more like anti-gay politicians who have truck-stop trysts.

Liberals aren't screaming from the rafters about the immorality of not paying taxes.

Unfortunately.
 
2010-08-19 09:39:30 PM
FireBreathingLiberal: Conservative liberal hypocrisy is not the exception. It's the rule.

www.phuckpolitics.com

/"Drain the swamp" and all that
 
2010-08-19 09:39:33 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: It's typical of the do as say not as I do of people who think they know better than the rest of us.

Almost like they have some sort of moral majority or something.
 
2010-08-19 09:40:01 PM
freetomato: but a sentence like that couldn't be spoken without it sounding like it was in a contemptuous, condescending tone.

Alright, you and Speaker2Animals seem to have listened to him before so since we seem to have confirmation, I'll jump on the hypocrite bandwagon.
 
2010-08-19 09:42:08 PM
Stay Cool Babylon: Speaker2Animals: Subby here and I consider myself a conservative. I pay my bills. I've never been even a single f*cking day late in paying my mortgage in the 24 years I've owned homes.

People like this slug Brian Wilson are not true conservatives.

Your implication is that paying your bills on time is a "conservative" trait. I have news for you, buttercup - liberals pay their mortgages, too. Hell, just last night I even paid a utility bill!

Maybe I read it wrong but it really seems like you believe only conservatives are equipped to handle a household budget. If that's the case, blow it out your ass.


Hell, I'll go a step further. Republicans prefer to spend AND give out tax cuts to wealthy donors, thereby ensuring that the bills never get paid. Raising taxes may not be the popular thing to do, but they actually help pay the bills. Now if we could just get the parties to also stop spending wastefully, we'd have something here.
 
2010-08-19 09:42:09 PM
bearsfolks: Is it FARK or liberalism that drives all comments to begin with name calling and end with questioning the motives of people with whom they disagree?

"You're either with us, or against us."

"Why do you hate America/our troops?"

Freedom fries!

Don't me started on commie/nazi/radical/etc. Face it bro, you're projecting.
 
2010-08-19 09:42:50 PM
Appraised at 192k, they owe 197k....sounds upside-down to me.
 
2010-08-19 09:44:10 PM
FireBreathingLiberal: Conservative hypocrisy is not the exception. It's the rule.

FTFY.

I truly don't think you can be rational and doubt the hypocrisy of not only both sides, but the center as well.
 
2010-08-19 09:44:15 PM
It's hard to pay the mortgage when you lie in bed all day.
 
2010-08-19 09:44:53 PM
Spanky_McFarksalot: Speaker2Animals: Well, he stopped paying when he bought a house in Virginia, so he presumably just didn't want to pay on two mortgages. Whatever the reason, he just stopped paying and violated the rules of the agreement.

Ok, that seems much more hypocritical. It's typical of the do as say not as I do of people who think they know better than the rest of us.

"If I rob a liquor store and get sentenced to prison for five years, I'm following the rules."

It's not illegal to stop making a mortgage payment.


But it is in violation of the agreement. You can deny it all you want, but facts are facts. When you stop making payments, for whatever reason, you are in violation of your agreement. The legal recourse that the bank has is to eventually take your home away, after exhausting other means to collect the debt.
 
2010-08-19 09:45:20 PM
Why are people still trying to spin this into a partisan issue?

BOTH administrations took the same approach to 'solving' the underwater homeowner problem.

Let the dumbasses declare bankruptcy and be done with it. It really is that simple.
 
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