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2010-08-19 02:37:04 PM  
Epicedion: Ral: Yeah it's people like this who make my husband look bad. He's an atheist, but he's not in your face about it, and certainly doesn't get involved in any of that retarded "activism".

Please name one atheist that has ever accomplished anything politically for religious freedom, atheism, or atheists, and has not been "in your face about it."


Ummmm, that'd be Thomas Jefferson. He's been mentioned/quoted many, many times in this thread.
 
2010-08-19 02:39:22 PM  
Joce678: Ummmm, that'd be Thomas Jefferson. He's been mentioned/quoted many, many times in this thread.

Not in anyone's face:

www.mediabistro.com
 
2010-08-19 02:40:14 PM  
Joce678: Epicedion: Ral: Yeah it's people like this who make my husband look bad. He's an atheist, but he's not in your face about it, and certainly doesn't get involved in any of that retarded "activism".

Please name one atheist that has ever accomplished anything politically for religious freedom, atheism, or atheists, and has not been "in your face about it."


Ummmm, that'd be Thomas Jefferson. He's been mentioned/quoted many, many times in this thread.



And removed from the pro-Christian history books in Texas...
 
2010-08-19 02:42:03 PM  
Epicedion: Not in anyone's face:


Could you point out the parts where Jefferson declares himself an atheist, makes fun of Christians, and gets all "in your face" about it?

kthnk
 
2010-08-19 02:42:29 PM  
Joce678: ace in your face:
The ten commandments aren't very hard to follow.

Are you making sure they don't cook or wash the dishes on Sunday?

If not, then...

Saturday
. When the commandments came down the Sabbath was on SATURDAY.
 
2010-08-19 02:44:18 PM  
Joce678: ace in your face:
The ten commandments aren't very hard to follow.

Are you making sure they don't cook or wash the dishes on Sunday?

If not, then...


So if you aren't Jewish you can't follow the bible?
 
2010-08-19 02:46:29 PM  
pwhp_67: Epicedion: Not in anyone's face:


Could you point out the parts where Jefferson declares himself an atheist, makes fun of Christians, and gets all "in your face" about it?

kthnk


His bible is kind of in your face. And many times in letters and other correspondence he pointed out the fundamental flaw in people who believe in the gods.

It's probably not "making fun of Christians" in the modern sense of mockery but in the parlance of the times it was pretty clear.
 
2010-08-19 02:47:10 PM  
pwhp_67: Could you point out the parts where Jefferson declares himself an atheist, makes fun of Christians, and gets all "in your face" about it?

kthnk


He WTFPWNED those stupid Danbury Baptist sheeple.
 
2010-08-19 02:47:26 PM  
pwhp_67: Could you point out the parts where Jefferson declares himself an atheist, makes fun of Christians, and gets all "in your face" about it?

kthnk


Does this count? (new window)
 
2010-08-19 02:50:04 PM  
Leeds: His bible is kind of in your face.


Did he publish it?


Leeds: And many times in letters and other correspondence he pointed out the fundamental flaw in people who believe in the gods.

So in private conversations with people he knew who most likely shared his opinions?


That's "in your face"?
 
2010-08-19 02:50:16 PM  
Epicedion: schattenteufel:

Good man. Of course he did have to be in a war against a global superpower to accomplish it.



To be fair, Jefferson was pretty outspoken about his distaste for the devoutly religious. I don't know if that makes him "in your face" about it, or whatever the equivalent was back then.
Still, I respect the guy & consider him one of several great Atheist heroes.

Here's another:

gallery.socionix.com
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
 
2010-08-19 02:50:56 PM  
Epicedion: Does this count? (new window)


After completion of the Life and Morals, about 1820, Jefferson shared it with a number of friends, but he never allowed it to be published during his lifetime.


No...
 
2010-08-19 02:53:34 PM  
pwhp_67: ace in your face: The teacher should call and talk to the parents. Thats what parents are for- breaking down childrens dreams.


According to you, nobody has the right to tell that child she didn't spend all summer playing with a magical unicorn unless they can prove to her that she didn't. You said that you can't claim to know what another person saw or what they believe.

And don't ignore my workplace scenario either; once you start moving in that direction and raising children to believe your messed up logic - that is the road you'll be on...


I never said that, but misrepresenting what I am saying seems to be a pattern for you. Religion, mythical stories, politics, and values are all things that should be parent child related. Children don't have an innate sense of those things and need to be taught whatever the parent believes. Unless they have the IQ of a germ, they will eventually find their own reasons why they do believe or don't believe in those things. Thats why most people change or modify their views when they move out of their parents home.
 
2010-08-19 02:56:37 PM  
The Supreme Court will reverse, so don't blow your wad on this thread.
 
2010-08-19 02:58:12 PM  
schattenteufel: To be fair, Jefferson was pretty outspoken about his distaste for the devoutly religious. I don't know if that makes him "in your face" about it, or whatever the equivalent was back then.
Still, I respect the guy & consider him one of several great Atheist heroes.


My problem with "in your face about it" is that it seems to be code for anyone who says anything negative about religion ever, self-identifies as an atheist in a conversation involving religion, or gets involved in the politics of keeping religion out of government.
 
2010-08-19 03:05:10 PM  
pwhp_67: After completion of the Life and Morals, about 1820, Jefferson shared it with a number of friends, but he never allowed it to be published during his lifetime.


No...


Someone earlier used the qualification of "posted about it on Facebook" to fulfil the "in your face" part. Cutting up the Bible and sharing that with your friends isn't on similar footing?

I still don't see how "doing anything involving atheism" has been made distinct from "in your face about it." Apparently suing the government for breaking its own rules regarding religion is "in your face," so what isn't?
 
2010-08-19 03:06:04 PM  
ace in your face: I never said that, but misrepresenting what I am saying seems to be a pattern for you.


ace in your face: I just don't like people who absolutely say "there is" or "there isn't" with no sort of proof other than their appeal to popularity/tradition/belief etc.


ace in your face: I don't believe in leprechauns but if someone says they have seen a leprechaun then how the hell do I know? It seems silly to me to say "there is no such thing" if you can't prove it any more than someone else can prove it exists.


ace in your face: I don't know why a teacher would ever bother to address such things, but I do think if the parents base their religion on fairies then they have the right to not have their religion trampled upon at school.


So you're either a very big liar or you're trolling. Which is it?

You can force people to be tolerate of absurd beliefs without seriously negative results for society. Hopefully you'll realize that someday...
 
2010-08-19 03:10:13 PM  
Fun stuff, people confusing atheism with deism (where Jefferson pretty much proclaimed his beliefs to lie).
 
2010-08-19 03:10:26 PM  
Epicedion: Someone earlier used the qualification of "posted about it on Facebook" to fulfil the "in your face" part.


And they were wrong. So what?


Epicedion: Apparently suing the government for breaking its own rules regarding religion is "in your face," so what isn't?

No, it isn't. Building a church isn't being "in your face" about religion either. Knocking on my door to tell me why I'm going to hell is...
 
2010-08-19 03:10:33 PM  
Thomas Jefferson wasn't an atheist.
 
2010-08-19 03:12:06 PM  
keypusher: Thomas Jefferson wasn't an atheist.

He wasn't a Christian either.
 
2010-08-19 03:12:25 PM  
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: I'm not sure I get this. If no state money is used, and they aren't a dangerous obstacle in the ROW, then. . .

Of course, the first golden calf you put up out there might cause an equal and opposite spaz attack.

.


But the displays ARE on public property. The govt's responsible for them.

They're a maintenance problem, too. They use a wide-swath mower and may not even HAVE an edger around (which would take a lot of time to get started and use just for a few square feet). Having to go around a display that is not on the fenceline is a PITA and can leave an overgrown patch around it.

I wonder how many have upgraded to solar-powered lights, things that flash LEDs? Surely that's happened somewhere.

I'm not sure of the point. WHY would a person commemorate the place where a loved one died horribly in a car crash? You don't commemorate someone's death unless you hate them. You commemorate their life.

Do they really schedule to go drive out and visit the tree he plowed into when he snapped his neck? Instead of his grave? Apparently so, since these sites are "maintained" by the relatives. I'm just at a loss for how this helps.

I'm at a similar loss for why the field that the last plane of the 9/11 hijackings crashed into had to be taken by the govt and a viewing area (of an empty field with nothing to see) and a visitor center built. I can't imagine many relatives wanting to schedule a family field trip out to the empty field where Dad's plane once impacted, crushing and tearing his body asunder in a split second. Nothing to see, but the point is, we can look upon the spot of ground where it happened even though it's no different than any other spot of ground the area, except THIS ground is what provided the physical resistance that crushed him. IIRC, they were using Eminent Domain to condemn and take the land, and the owner was fighting it- damn straight.
 
2010-08-19 03:12:30 PM  
craig328: Fun stuff, people confusing atheism with deism (where Jefferson pretty much proclaimed his beliefs to lie).


Was he "in your face" about it? That's the real question...
 
2010-08-19 03:15:02 PM  
craig328: Fun stuff, people confusing atheism with deism (where Jefferson pretty much proclaimed his beliefs to lie).

It's not confusing anything with anything. Jefferson was very likely a deist, but atheists and deists should reasonably fall on the same side of things involving religion in politics, as they both have the opinion that there isn't a god that has communicated any real rules for you to follow.
 
2010-08-19 03:22:16 PM  
pwhp_67: Epicedion: Someone earlier used the qualification of "posted about it on Facebook" to fulfil the "in your face" part.


And they were wrong. So what?


Epicedion: Apparently suing the government for breaking its own rules regarding religion is "in your face," so what isn't?

No, it isn't. Building a church isn't being "in your face" about religion either. Knocking on my door to tell me why I'm going to hell is...


Then what the hell are you complaining about? My entire point in this particular part of the thread has been that it's practically impossible to accomplish anything for atheism without being accused of being "in your face about it." Jefferson was brought up by someone else as some sort of counter to that (I did in fact ask for someone to name someone who'd accomplished things politically for atheism, et al, without being "in your face about it"), and I rather consider cutting up the Bible and showing it around about on the level as laughing about Christians on Facebook. Not to mention how hard he trolled King George. My point is that you have to take some sort of political action to get anything accomplished, and the ready-made response by those who want religion in government is that atheists are "militant" for trying to change things, "in your face" for talking about them, and "dogmatic" for not kowtowing to everyone else's beliefs.
 
2010-08-19 03:25:20 PM  
pwhp_67: ace in your face: I never said that, but misrepresenting what I am saying seems to be a pattern for you.


ace in your face: I just don't like people who absolutely say "there is" or "there isn't" with no sort of proof other than their appeal to popularity/tradition/belief etc.


ace in your face: I don't believe in leprechauns but if someone says they have seen a leprechaun then how the hell do I know? It seems silly to me to say "there is no such thing" if you can't prove it any more than someone else can prove it exists.


ace in your face: I don't know why a teacher would ever bother to address such things, but I do think if the parents base their religion on fairies then they have the right to not have their religion trampled upon at school.


So you're either a very big liar or you're trolling. Which is it?

You can force people to be tolerate of absurd beliefs without seriously negative results for society. Hopefully you'll realize that someday...


I'm not lying or trolling. I don't know what you find me saying thats incompatible with anything else I have said, and I don't know what you think is so ridiculous.
 
2010-08-19 03:26:44 PM  
Joce678: Ummmm, that'd be Thomas Jefferson. He's been mentioned/quoted many, many times in this thread.

Jefferson was VERY "in your face" about it.

pwhp_67: Epicedion: Not in anyone's face:


Could you point out the parts where Jefferson declares himself an atheist, makes fun of Christians, and gets all "in your face" about it?

kthnk


his own writings, letters, etc.
 
2010-08-19 03:28:48 PM  
Epicedion: Then what the hell are you complaining about?


I read this: Please name one atheist that has ever accomplished anything politically for religious freedom, atheism, or atheists, and has not been "in your face about it."

Saw somebody responded with Jefferson, which you said was incorrect. I don't agree. Showing a few of your friends a book is not "in your face" - publishing it is.

Also, facebook is full of people that you accepted to be able to see your profile. Presumably, those people know you are an atheist just like they know other people are Christian or whatever. That's not "in your face" either.

I think a lot of people are atheists and are kind of quiet about it because they don't want to get shiat on over it. That's too bad and it's part of the problem we have with Christianity in this country. This is not a Christian Nation but since only a handful of people are calling them out on their bullshiat it could end up one...
 
2010-08-19 03:28:56 PM  
Epicedion: craig328: Fun stuff, people confusing atheism with deism (where Jefferson pretty much proclaimed his beliefs to lie).

It's not confusing anything with anything. Jefferson was very likely a deist, but atheists and deists should reasonably fall on the same side of things involving religion in politics, as they both have the opinion that there isn't a god that has communicated any real rules for you to follow.


THIS.

Deists don't believe in magic, thus they are normal people and everyone likes them. Theists, on the other hand, need to be constantly told how idiotic they are in the hopes that they will someday grow up.
 
2010-08-19 03:30:01 PM  
ace in your face: I'm not lying or trolling. I don't know what you find me saying thats incompatible with anything else I have said, and I don't know what you think is so ridiculous.

I think what he's saying is that if you think that a school shouldn't tromp on someone's belief in fairies if fairy-belief is integral to that person's religion, than it's impossible for you to justify negating anyone's beliefs in anything, no matter how absurd, which is dangerous for a society to do wholesale.
 
2010-08-19 03:34:26 PM  
Nattering Nabob: Joce678: Weezer808:
No, actually what I said was that ancient superstitious practices shouldn't have a place in government decision making, but if a dead christian want s cross on the site of his death, who are any of us to say no?

The article was about putting up twelve foot crosses on public land. Me? I'd say no (and the courts did too).

I'm sure if I requested a satanic symbol put on the site of my death the Christians would be up in arms over it. Do unto others, etc.

If somebody wants to put up a cross on private land then it's a completely different argument (though it seems to be what you're saying...?)

You can put up your satanic symbol and I won't care. And since Christians wish each other "Godspeed" or "I'll see you in God's Kingdom", I guess instead I will say to you, "have fun in Hell"?


typically satanists say prayers backwards, so it'd be derpsdog
 
2010-08-19 03:34:52 PM  
ace in your face: Children don't have an innate sense of those things and need to be taught whatever the parent believes

no they don't and no they shouldn't. we shouldn't be indoctrinating people into the irrational before their brain has had to develop critical thinking skills (that occurs around age 13)

ace in your face: Unless they have the IQ of a germ, they will eventually find their own reasons why they do believe or don't believe in those things.

wrong the majority of humanity (90%) never fully mentally matures - they get stuck in stage 4. in stage 4 it's still a herculean task to reevaluate ones own beliefs.

of those 10% of reach stage 5 mental maturation about 99% of them are non-religious, and the majority of them go into science, teaching, etc.

/Developmental Psychology course, my textbook is not handy so i cannot get the names of the stages right now

Epicedion: My problem with "in your face about it" is that it seems to be code for anyone who says anything negative about religion ever, self-identifies as an atheist in a conversation involving religion, or gets involved in the politics of keeping religion out of government.

bingo.

"you're an atheist? you admit it in public? and you asked us to stop putting our religion into the government? STOP GETTING IN MY FACE!"

craig328: Fun stuff, people confusing atheism with deism (where Jefferson pretty much proclaimed his beliefs to lie).

for a while, as he aged he became increasingly skeptical.
ace in your face: I don't know what you think is so ridiculous.

that you think every opinion is equally valid, and that we have no ability (or right) to critical thinking about things people believe.

that you've been coming off as portraying atheists this entire thread as different than they are.

that you're perpetuating the "militant atheist" bullshiat.

when everyone else in a thread is dog piling you and you seem to think they're all not understanding what you're saying it probably means you've done a poor job of conveying it.
 
2010-08-19 03:39:27 PM  
pwhp_67: Epicedion: Does this count? (new window)


After completion of the Life and Morals, about 1820, Jefferson shared it with a number of friends, but he never allowed it to be published during his lifetime.


No...


Because publishing an atheistic screed during life worked so well for Galileo, even though it had little to do with declaring his atheism. There were still inquisitions around in 1820

/yet the xtians are the ones persecuted
//lord, protect me from your followers
 
2010-08-19 03:39:38 PM  
ace in your face: I don't know what you find me saying thats incompatible with anything else I have said, and I don't know what you think is so ridiculous.


You said:

ace in your face: I don't believe in leprechauns but if someone says they have seen a leprechaun then how the hell do I know? It seems silly to me to say "there is no such thing" if you can't prove it any more than someone else can prove it exists.


That is what I find to be ridiculous. I also can't figure out how you are unable to realize that if everyone took that position whenever anyone else said something as stupid as "I saw a leprechaun on my may to work/school today." that this would be a bad thing...
 
2010-08-19 03:40:21 PM  
Kazan: that you think every opinion is equally valid, and that we have no ability (or right) to critical thinking about things people believe.

that you've been coming off as portraying atheists this entire thread as different than they are.

that you're perpetuating the "militant atheist" bullshiat.

when everyone else in a thread is dog piling you and you seem to think they're all not understanding what you're saying it probably means you've done a poor job of conveying it.


What is it that makes a good man turn neutral?

theinfosphere.org
 
2010-08-19 03:42:55 PM  
Kazan: his own writings, letters, etc.


I was asking that because he posted a picture of the Declaration...
 
2010-08-19 03:43:47 PM  
Epicedion: What is it that makes a good man turn neutral?

work filter ate the image.


OT
what does it take to get a link approved around here.. i submitted (And it was denied)

(MSNBC)
2010-08-19 Ironic Massive recall after eggs go Galt (0)
 
2010-08-19 03:43:53 PM  
Kazan: /Developmental Psychology course, my textbook is not handy so i cannot get the names of the stages right now

Kohlberg's stages? Wikipedia remains handy.

Kazan: the majority of humanity (90%) never fully mentally matures - they get stuck in stage 4. in stage 4 it's still a herculean task to reevaluate ones own beliefs.

of those 10% of reach stage 5 mental maturation about 99% of them are non-religious, and the majority of them go into science, teaching, etc.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2010-08-19 03:44:57 PM  
pwhp_67: I was asking that because he posted a picture of the Declaration...

Widely considered to be the best political troll work of all time.

But yeah, it was for comic value. I asked for an atheist and got Jefferson, so I figured I might as well run with it.
 
2010-08-19 03:46:23 PM  
Kazan: Epicedion: What is it that makes a good man turn neutral?

work filter ate the image.


Oh, it was the picture of the Neutral president from Futurama.

/"If I don't make it, tell my wife hello."
 
2010-08-19 03:52:31 PM  
abb3w: Kohlberg's stages? Wikipedia remains handy.

nope

and again.. image lost on filter.
 
2010-08-19 04:00:41 PM  
Kazan: abb3w: Kohlberg's stages? Wikipedia remains handy.

nope

and again.. image lost on filter.


Image said, "Citation Needed"
 
2010-08-19 04:02:03 PM  
Kazan: ace in your face: Children don't have an innate sense of those things and need to be taught whatever the parent believes

no they don't and no they shouldn't. we shouldn't be indoctrinating people into the irrational before their brain has had to develop critical thinking skills (that occurs around age 13)

ace in your face: Unless they have the IQ of a germ, they will eventually find their own reasons why they do believe or don't believe in those things.

wrong the majority of humanity (90%) never fully mentally matures - they get stuck in stage 4. in stage 4 it's still a herculean task to reevaluate ones own beliefs.

of those 10% of reach stage 5 mental maturation about 99% of them are non-religious, and the majority of them go into science, teaching, etc.

/Developmental Psychology course, my textbook is not handy so i cannot get the names of the stages right now

Epicedion: My problem with "in your face about it" is that it seems to be code for anyone who says anything negative about religion ever, self-identifies as an atheist in a conversation involving religion, or gets involved in the politics of keeping religion out of government.

bingo.

"you're an atheist? you admit it in public? and you asked us to stop putting our religion into the government? STOP GETTING IN MY FACE!"

craig328: Fun stuff, people confusing atheism with deism (where Jefferson pretty much proclaimed his beliefs to lie).

for a while, as he aged he became increasingly skeptical.
ace in your face: I don't know what you think is so ridiculous.

that you think every opinion is equally valid, and that we have no ability (or right) to critical thinking about things people believe.

that you've been coming off as portraying atheists this entire thread as different than they are.

that you're perpetuating the "militant atheist" bullshiat.

when everyone else in a thread is dog piling you and you seem to think they're all not understanding what you're saying it probably means you've done a poor job of conveying it.


Mostly you are making value judgments, or using your particular brand of philosophy to "prove" me wrong. I believe parents get to tell their children what they like about morals/values/religion etc. Plenty of people have been brought up that way and later rejected their parents values. One of the main reasons people have children is to bring them up the way they believe, so its silly to say that children should, or even could be rained in some sort of neutral environment. I don't believe it is for the state or teachers to endorse or mock any religion. I haven't said that you can't be critical of things that others believe (except I don't think you should as a teacher), but I think that the fundamentals of believing or not believing in god are a stupid point to argue since there is no real answer for either. Debating aspects of a religion, or politics is completely different to me than debating whether there is/is not a god since the existence of god is based entirely on emotion. I do believe there are militant atheists , the same way I believe there are militant theists, and both are obnoxious to me. If you, or anyone, has felt I have characterized ALL atheists as obnoxious or irrational then I don't know how to help the fact that I have repeatedly said otherwise.
pwhp_67: ace in your face: I don't know what you find me saying thats incompatible with anything else I have said, and I don't know what you think is so ridiculous.


You said:

ace in your face: I don't believe in leprechauns but if someone says they have seen a leprechaun then how the hell do I know? It seems silly to me to say "there is no such thing" if you can't prove it any more than someone else can prove it exists.


That is what I find to be ridiculous. I also can't figure out how you are unable to realize that if everyone took that position whenever anyone else said something as stupid as "I saw a leprechaun on my may to work/school today." that this would be a bad thing...


Why do you have to criticize it? Can't you just accept that someone else may have a reality not your own? What drives you to want to harass someone into believing what you believe if they have experienced a different truth? I may think that someone who claims to have seen a leprechaun is crazy, but I don't need to outright call them a liar and convince them they don't see leprechauns, because doing so is a dick move.
 
2010-08-19 04:10:04 PM  
ace in your face: I do believe there are militant atheists , the same way I believe there are militant theists, and both are obnoxious to me.

Can we please stop using the word "militant" do describe atheists who like to talk about atheism? It's completely unfair.
 
2010-08-19 04:10:26 PM  
ace in your face: Why do you have to criticize it?

If I'm his boss, I'm not going to accept "I saw a leprechaun on the way in." as an excuse for being late.


ace in your face: Can't you just accept that someone else may have a reality not your own?

If that reality involves seeing and experiencing things that are not there, then no. That person needs help, not tolerance.


ace in your face: I may think that someone who claims to have seen a leprechaun is crazy, but I don't need to outright call them a liar and convince them they don't see leprechauns, because doing so is a dick move.


I wouldn't try to convince them of anything. I just wouldn't believe it and I would tell them that. If someone can tell me they saw a leprechaun, why can't I tell them they're full of shiat? What makes their claim so special that it deserves preferential treatment?

Also, why would not believing somebody who says something so ridiculous, and letting them know that (being honest), be a dick move?
 
2010-08-19 04:10:42 PM  
Epicedion: Can we please stop using the word "militant" do to describe atheists who like to talk about atheism? It's completely unfair.

FTFM
 
2010-08-19 04:13:20 PM  
ace in your face: Can't you just accept that someone else may have a reality not your own?

Because reality shouldn't be considered subjective, douchbag. Reality is REAL. (There is no magic in it)

Your attempt to escape reality does not make it subjective.
 
2010-08-19 04:17:05 PM  
pwhp_67: Also, why would not believing somebody who says something so ridiculous, and letting them know that (being honest), be a dick move?

Basically, if the bridge is out, she's not going to try to convince people that the bridge is out, she's just going to let them keep driving in the belief that the bridge is really there.

It's unacceptable for anything in society, except apparently for religion. Religion always gets a bye to the next round.
 
2010-08-19 04:17:43 PM  
ace in your face: I think that the fundamentals of believing or not believing in god are a stupid point to argue since there is no real answer for either.

this assertion is false

ace in your face: since the existence of god is based entirely on emotion.

making it entirely a faulty premise from which to derive real world decisions on.

these people, with their demonstrably flawed reasoning, vote. irrational individuals are a danger to everyone in a democracy (or in a financial market....)

ace in your face: I do believe there are militant atheists , the same way I believe there are militant theists, and both are obnoxious to me. If you, or anyone, has felt I have characterized ALL atheists as obnoxious or irrational then I don't know how to help the fact that I have repeatedly said otherwise.

"militant atheist" is a VERY VERY VERY loaded term. you should probable avoid using it if you don't know that.

most people who use that term mean "any atheist who dare open their mouths and have the audacity to oppose anything a christian wants".

ace in your face: Can't you just accept that someone else may have a reality not your own?

The facts of reality are not subject to our feelings. Reality is. What we feel about that is irrelevant. someone believing things that are not supportable, or directly demonstrable false, is harmful to society.

ace in your face: What drives you to want to harass someone into believing what you believe if they have experienced a different truth?


Truth isn't subjective, it is thus impossible to "experience a different truth"

ace in your face: I may think that someone who claims to have seen a leprechaun is crazy, but I don't need to outright call them a liar and convince them they don't see leprechauns, because doing so is a dick move.

no it's not. thus excessively PC "Everyone's opinion is equally valid" bullshiat is a dick move.

if ever there was a time to quote "The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions" this is it.

this "everyone's opinion is equally valid" shiat you're selling is how an open society self-destructs through it's own "good" intentions.


Truth is not subjective. Reality doesn't care how you feel about it. All opinions are not equally valid. Objecting to bullshiat is not "a dick move".
 
2010-08-19 04:26:54 PM  
SAD? Just upholding the constitution.
 
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