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2010-08-19 09:04:48 AM  
Fark Me To Tears: Yes, the cross symbolizes Christianity, but it also symbolizes a memorial to those who've passed on.

And here I thought it either symbolized Christianity or a hideous Roman torture device. Silly me. :-/
 
2010-08-19 09:05:08 AM  
I am just as sick of evangelical atheists proselytizing as I am of evangelical christians doing it.
 
2010-08-19 09:05:50 AM  
ace in your face: I am just as sick of evangelical atheists proselytizing as I am of evangelical christians doing it.

Just as long as you've found a way to feel superior to both.

/Thanks XKCD.
 
2010-08-19 09:05:54 AM  
Gato Negro: Is Christmas unconstitutional?

Christmas is a pagan holiday to celebrate Winter Solstice.

Jesus was not born on December 25th.

John the Baptist was conceived 6 months prior to Jesus.

John's father was a priest in the Temple, and was completing a portion of his required service in June, when John was born.

If John was born in June and was conceived 6 months prior to Jesus, simply add three months and you get Setptember for the most likely month of Jesus' birth.

This would likely mean that Jesus was conceived at Christmas time. He was born on September 29th.

Why does Jesus have a Mexican name?

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2010-08-19 09:06:03 AM  
Once again, The Ninja hits the target like a laser-guided bomb. (One of the newer ones, mind you...not the unpredictable ones from Gulf War I that occasionally obliterated a day-care center full of screaming Kuwati children.)
 
2010-08-19 09:06:20 AM  
ace in your face: I am just as sick of evangelical atheists proselytizing as I am of evangelical christians doing it.

Then wake up and stop believing in magic.
 
2010-08-19 09:06:23 AM  
ace in your face: I am sick of evangelical atheists not littering the highway with signage

okay.
 
2010-08-19 09:06:40 AM  
I always took roadside crosses to be a reflection of the religion of the person killed there, not of the person (or State) putting the cross there.

I've seen roadside memorials in Germany, too, and some are blatantly Catholic in appearance. I'm sure that would cause an uproar in the Church of Atheissm here.
 
2010-08-19 09:07:04 AM  
A Texas-based group, American Atheists

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2010-08-19 09:07:37 AM  
TigerStar: This would likely mean that Jesus was conceived at Christmas time. He was born on September 29th.

So they are celebrate the time God got laid, which is okay.
 
2010-08-19 09:08:06 AM  
I would just like to show a little bit of appreciation for subster's headline. Made me chuckle.
 
2010-08-19 09:09:07 AM  
Marla Singer's Laundry: Once again, The Ninja hits the target like a laser-guided bomb. (One of the newer ones, mind you...not the unpredictable ones from Gulf War I that occasionally obliterated a day-care center full of screaming Kuwati children.)

Those children were Iraqi sympathizers. You can tell because they weren't thrown on the ground by invading Iraqi troops loyal to Saddam HUSSSEIN.
 
2010-08-19 09:09:10 AM  
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2010-08-19 09:09:21 AM  
The Homer Tax: Fark Me To Tears: Have these judges ever visited Arlington National Cemetery? Following their logic, the grave markers (most of which are crosses) should all be taken down, as the US government placed them there.

The Grave markers at Arlington aren't Crosses.

Did you ever think that maybe there's a reason for that?


I think maybe people get this idea because they have seen pictures of the memorial in Normandy.
 
2010-08-19 09:09:33 AM  
Now if they'd just outlaw normal roadside crosses, those things piss me off so much.

Look, I'm sorry about your loss, and I understand this is a way of dealing with your grief. I can accept that. Put up your cross for a week or two, then TAKE IT DOWN.

There are roadside crosses I drive past every day that have been there for YEARS. You're not remembering the loved one that you lost, you are immortalizing their death. You should be remembering their life, the good times they brought you, and how they helped make you the person you are today. You shouldn't be slavishly reliving their death every single day you go to work.

Please, by all means, mourn. But realize two things:

1) The world does not mourn with you. Random strangers, and this is a cold hard truth, don't care. If they meet you, they'll say they're sorry about your loss, but until then you are a faceless statistic in the masses. All you're doing is making life hard on the highway crews that have to mow around your memorial.

2) Healthy mourning ENDS. You move on with your life. The only mourning that doesn't end is the sick, obsessive kind that you really should seek therapy for. If you're still in a state of mourning years after the fact, you haven't had closure, its not good for you, seek help and take down those damned memorials.
 
2010-08-19 09:09:47 AM  
Woops, wrong thread. I shouldn't read two threads at once anymore
 
2010-08-19 09:09:59 AM  
Good. I told everyone I know that should I be hit by a bus, I will freaking haunt them forever if they stick up some stupid sign or cross.

/and I would, too.
 
2010-08-19 09:11:31 AM  
Leeds: ace in your face: I am just as sick of evangelical atheists proselytizing as I am of evangelical christians doing it.

Then wake up and stop believing in magic.


You have no more ability to prove that god doesn't exist than christians can prove that he does. STFU and believe what you want but stop proselytizing. You are all annoying.
 
2010-08-19 09:11:55 AM  
tricksiecat: I'm pretty big on separation of church and state, but this is just nitpicky.
Fark Me To Tears: I'm all for separation of church and state, but here's a point where the judicial system, in a pedantic exercise, is confusing state endorsement of a particular religion with societal norms or culture.

So, what's your objective test that can be applied by a judge to determine whether something violates the establishment clause? Not a "we'll know it when we see it," but a real test. We know how well the former works with obscenity.
 
2010-08-19 09:12:54 AM  
chatikh: Woops, wrong thread. I shouldn't read two threads at once anymore

Wow... Even with a map, you get lost.
 
2010-08-19 09:13:47 AM  
ace in your face: Leeds: ace in your face: I am just as sick of evangelical atheists proselytizing as I am of evangelical christians doing it.

Then wake up and stop believing in magic.

You have no more ability to prove that god doesn't exist than christians can prove that he does. STFU and believe what you want but stop proselytizing. You are all annoying.


The superiority complex athiests develop isn't because we feel that we are all that- it's because we can't fathom how farking stupid you folks are for believing in magic.

STOP BELIEVING IN MAGIC and we'll stop calling you a dipshiate.
 
2010-08-19 09:13:49 AM  
ace in your face: Leeds: ace in your face: I am just as sick of evangelical atheists proselytizing as I am of evangelical christians doing it.

Then wake up and stop believing in magic.

You have no more ability to prove that god doesn't exist than christians can prove that he does. STFU and believe what you want but stop proselytizing. You are all annoying.


You have no more ability to prove that Santa doesn't exist than children can prove that he does. STFU and believe what you want but stop proselytizing. You are all annoying.

/FTFY
 
2010-08-19 09:13:55 AM  
Fark Me To Tears: Have these judges ever visited Arlington National Cemetery?

Have you?

www.alldcinfo.com
 
2010-08-19 09:14:19 AM  
EvilEgg: TigerStar: This would likely mean that Jesus was conceived at Christmas time. He was born on September 29th.

So they are celebrate the time God got laid, which is okay.


Except that the woman was already betrothed to another, making God an adulterer and/or fornicator.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Mary of Nazareth".
 
2010-08-19 09:14:36 AM  
ace in your face: You have no more ability to prove that god doesn't exist than christians can prove that he does. STFU and believe what you want but stop proselytizing.

Sure, as soon as christians stop trying to pass laws and constitutional amendments taking away the civil rights of minorities based on what their holy book or religious leaders say.
 
2010-08-19 09:15:52 AM  
Rapmaster2000: I have PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY so I don't need the NANNY STATE to remind me to drive properly.

Funny thing is that all of those crosses are put up by private individuals. Ain't that a kick in the head?
 
2010-08-19 09:15:58 AM  
Leeds: ace in your face: Leeds: ace in your face: I am just as sick of evangelical atheists proselytizing as I am of evangelical christians doing it.

Then wake up and stop believing in magic.

You have no more ability to prove that god doesn't exist than christians can prove that he does. STFU and believe what you want but stop proselytizing. You are all annoying.

The superiority complex athiests develop isn't because we feel that we are all that- it's because we can't fathom how farking stupid you folks are for believing in magic.

STOP BELIEVING IN MAGIC and we'll stop calling you a dipshiate.


Just like a militant atheist to attack anyone who points out their view is equally illogical...
 
2010-08-19 09:16:03 AM  
dittybopper: EvilEgg: TigerStar: This would likely mean that Jesus was conceived at Christmas time. He was born on September 29th.

So they are celebrate the time God got laid, which is okay.

Except that the woman was already betrothed to another, making God an adulterer and/or fornicator.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Mary of Nazareth".




To say nothing of impregnating your own mother to conceive yourself.
 
2010-08-19 09:16:42 AM  
Theaetetus: ace in your face: You have no more ability to prove that god doesn't exist than christians can prove that he does. STFU and believe what you want but stop proselytizing.

Sure, as soon as christians stop trying to pass laws and constitutional amendments taking away the civil rights of minorities based on what their holy book or religious leaders say.


Cause I endorsed that right? I didn't say they were both equally annoying right?
 
2010-08-19 09:16:49 AM  
ace in your face: Just like a militant atheist to attack anyone who points out their view is equally illogical...

Says the militant agnostic.
 
2010-08-19 09:17:18 AM  
1nsanilicious: WTF is with you Athiests? Are the crosses hurtung you, poor little baby? Are you jealous that Athiests don't have a symbol of remembrance so you have to destroy others?

I dont care that Athiesm was crammed down my throat for years in public schools.

I think it's time we viewed Athiesm as a religion and start suing them for shiat.

I wonder what are some thing to sue Atheists for?



I think you are a troll, but I will bite anyway.

It is public school's job to be athiest. They are not allowed to to be theist by definition. If you want your brand of religion in schools, make your own private school and teach the kids whatever stories you want to.

I personally think public schools should have a religion class that teaches all relgions, past, present and "fictional (from literature, etc)", and treat it like one would treat a history or literature class with critical thought. Have reports that compare and contrast Zeus with Paladine or Shiva with Jehova. Make kids think outside the box a little.

Athiests probably wouldn't be so litigous if they were not constantly attacked by idiots like yourself. I would like to point you to the little pie chart showing oppressed christians.
 
2010-08-19 09:17:35 AM  
ace in your face: Leeds: ace in your face: I am just as sick of evangelical atheists proselytizing as I am of evangelical christians doing it.

Then wake up and stop believing in magic.

You have no more ability to prove that god doesn't exist than christians can prove that he does. STFU and believe what you want but stop proselytizing. You are all annoying.


THIS
 
2010-08-19 09:17:36 AM  
Dancin_In_Anson: Rapmaster2000: I have PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY so I don't need the NANNY STATE to remind me to drive properly.

Funny thing is that all of those crosses are put up by private individuals. Ain't that a kick in the head?


Farking libs. No personal responsibility.
 
2010-08-19 09:17:49 AM  
Waah waah waah. If you allow crosses, then you should allow other signs - religious, advertisements, whatever. For free.
 
2010-08-19 09:18:42 AM  
ace in your face: Just like a militant atheist to attack anyone who points out their view is equally illogical...

You know how I can tell you haven't taken any classes in logic?
 
2010-08-19 09:18:57 AM  
ace in your face: attack anyone who points out their view is equally illogical...

Belief in Magic vs belief that magic is a bunch of unscientific bullshiate that isn't real.

You seriously want to derp that these two opposing viewpoints are on equal footing? Wake up arsehole- they are not.
 
2010-08-19 09:19:15 AM  
Oldiron_79: ace in your face: Leeds: ace in your face: I am just as sick of evangelical atheists proselytizing as I am of evangelical christians doing it.

Then wake up and stop believing in magic.

You have no more ability to prove that god doesn't exist than christians can prove that he does. STFU and believe what you want but stop proselytizing. You are all annoying.

THIS


Exactly, none of you can prove that I'm not controlling your lives. I made you do that thing you just did. So worship me.
 
2010-08-19 09:20:02 AM  
Oh for f*cks sake there are so many other humanitarian issues that people can put their energy into. I've always thought highway crosses serve a valuable purpose. THEY REMIND PEOPLE TO SLOW THE F*CK DOWN AND PAY ATTENTION WHILE DRIVING.
 
2010-08-19 09:20:33 AM  
ace in your face: Theaetetus: ace in your face: You have no more ability to prove that god doesn't exist than christians can prove that he does. STFU and believe what you want but stop proselytizing.

Sure, as soon as christians stop trying to pass laws and constitutional amendments taking away the civil rights of minorities based on what their holy book or religious leaders say.

Cause I endorsed that right? I didn't say they were both equally annoying right?


Yes, atheists are annoying because they want to be treated equally under the law. Yes, they're annoying for standing up to Christian nutties that want to stick their religion into damn-near everywhere, which is fine, except when it is done with public funds or supported by the government (like in this case).

Your logic is impeccable. Durr...
 
2010-08-19 09:20:35 AM  
ace in your face: I think maybe people get this idea because they have seen pictures of the memorial in Normandy.

Oh I Know why people think that's the case. Its just never ceases to amaze me how readily people are willing to repeat easily Googleable incorrect statements.

Especially when the reality and the reason behind that reality completely invalidates the point they are trying to make in the first place.

Arlington National found a way to memorialize dead soldiers, and they found a way to do it without promoting/endorsing religion. Weird, huh?
 
2010-08-19 09:21:17 AM  
Rapmaster2000: 20 years ago you rarely saw these things. Now, they're all over the place. What's the deal?


Maybe it's because society needs them now more than ever... (new window)
 
2010-08-19 09:21:32 AM  
Rapmaster2000: Oldiron_79: ace in your face: Leeds: ace in your face: I am just as sick of evangelical atheists proselytizing as I am of evangelical christians doing it.

Then wake up and stop believing in magic.

You have no more ability to prove that god doesn't exist than christians can prove that he does. STFU and believe what you want but stop proselytizing. You are all annoying.

THIS

Exactly, none of you can prove that I'm not controlling your lives. I made you do that thing you just did. So worship me.


Why don't you make me? Plague of locusts, river of blood, flaming hail from the sky, Come on, just look at the olde testament if you need ideas.
 
2010-08-19 09:22:22 AM  
danvon: ShillinTheVillain: I would like a better picture of the crosses in question, though. The pic makes them look small but the article refers to them as being large.

Yeah, that picture in the article is not an accurate representation. I read the decision. The cross is 12 feet high and 6 feet across with a plaque of the state "beehive" logo placed in the middle of the cross. That plaque measures 1 inches by 18 inches.

Here's a picture. You cannot tell the size of it due to the lack of anything to compare it to, but I'll take what the court said.


Um... I hate to make assumptions based on names (and I'm probably wrong), but does anyone else see something strange in putting up a cross for William Antoniewicz?
 
2010-08-19 09:22:54 AM  
spin359: Why don't we just put up large tombstones that are not cross shaped? how about a small billboard? There bickering over shape....

Shape has meaning. How would you feel if they used giant dicks instead of crosses?
 
2010-08-19 09:22:57 AM  
frenchcheesemuseum: Oh for f*cks sake there are so many other humanitarian issues that people can put their energy into. I've always thought highway crosses serve a valuable purpose. THEY REMIND PEOPLE TO SLOW THE F*CK DOWN AND PAY ATTENTION WHILE DRIVING.

If that's the goal, wouldn't a more Constitutional Solution involve erecting a sign that says something to the effect of "In the memory of Sgt. Phil McCracken, slow down and be careful while driving?"
 
2010-08-19 09:23:01 AM  
Oldiron_79: Rapmaster2000: Oldiron_79: ace in your face: Leeds: ace in your face: I am just as sick of evangelical atheists proselytizing as I am of evangelical christians doing it.

Then wake up and stop believing in magic.

You have no more ability to prove that god doesn't exist than christians can prove that he does. STFU and believe what you want but stop proselytizing. You are all annoying.

THIS

Exactly, none of you can prove that I'm not controlling your lives. I made you do that thing you just did. So worship me.

Why don't you make me? Plague of locusts, river of blood, flaming hail from the sky, Come on, just look at the olde testament if you need ideas.


Because I don't feel like it. I'm omnipotent. I'm the only thing protecting you right now. You're lucky you have me.
 
2010-08-19 09:23:29 AM  
ace in your face: Theaetetus: ace in your face: You have no more ability to prove that god doesn't exist than christians can prove that he does. STFU and believe what you want but stop proselytizing.

Sure, as soon as christians stop trying to pass laws and constitutional amendments taking away the civil rights of minorities based on what their holy book or religious leaders say.

Cause I endorsed that right? I didn't say they were both equally annoying right?


Right, you didn't endorse it. I'm merely explaining why, in spite of your fervent prayers, atheists aren't going to STFU until religious people stop trying to pass bigoted laws. You want atheists to STFU and keep their lack of religion to themselves? Then fight religious bigotry.
 
2010-08-19 09:24:02 AM  
As an agnostic my opinion shifts back and forth on this depending on the nature of how the signs got there and other caveats.

If the state puts them out there, but will put any religious symbol out there upon request, I don't see anything wrong with it.

If the state puts them there, but is unwilling to put any other religious symbol out there upon request, now there's something wrong with it.

As long as they're not putting any preference on religion, for instance if they refuse to put up a small scale model of a roof with a Frisbee stuck on it their actions have now violated my rights, I don't see the non-exclusive practice being a bad thing, people need their emotional crutches from cross to festivus poles, that's all they really are.
 
2010-08-19 09:24:09 AM  
"We hold that these memorials have the impermissible effect of conveying to the reasonable observer the message that the state prefers or otherwise endorses a certain religion,"

It's friggin' Utah! Of course the state prefers a certain religion! But the crosses in question are not there to represent it.
 
2010-08-19 09:25:20 AM  
Gato Negro: Rapmaster2000: 20 years ago you rarely saw these things. Now, they're all over the place. What's the deal?


Maybe it's because society needs them now more than ever... (new window)


We need crosses on the road because children are in gangs and doing drugs?

I think you suffer from the delusion that religion is an answer to that kind of thing.
 
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