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2010-08-19 08:36:38 AM  
Around here the American Legion puts little ones at the site of fatalities (and sometimes eerily fast--I've seen new crosses in places you can still see the skidmarks). I don't mind them, they help remind people that they're doing something that can kill them at any second. I don't know if other states started copying this program, or if people just started it spontaneously, but they've been doing it since 1953.

it will be too bad if they have to be taken down. There's a lot of them, and I don't think the American Legion had Jesus in mind when they started the program.

White Cross Information (new window)

www.montanahighwaycrosses.com
 
2010-08-19 08:38:26 AM  
1nsanilicious: I wonder what are some thing to sue Atheists for?

I dunno, they seem to pull some of the most retarded, asshole sh*t I've seen, though. Easily on the level of christer fundies.
 
2010-08-19 08:39:12 AM  
SuperDuper28: Oh give me a farking break. Crosses are generally recognized as a memorial symbol without having to have a religious undertone. While they might be right in asking for them to be taken down is this really worth the damn effort? Being Utah and all I'm sure they could have found better things to aim for rather than pissing on dead troopers.


I just assume we not have a national debate about "taking the Christ off the cross"

Just let Christians have that symbol. Let the government use something else. Is that really such a hard concept for people to understand?
 
2010-08-19 08:39:37 AM  
cryinoutloud: Around here the American Legion puts little ones at the site of fatalities (and sometimes eerily fast--I've seen new crosses in places you can still see the skidmarks). I don't mind them, they help remind people that they're doing something that can kill them at any second. I don't know if other states started copying this program, or if people just started it spontaneously, but they've been doing it since 1953.

it will be too bad if they have to be taken down. There's a lot of them, and I don't think the American Legion had Jesus in mind when they started the program.

White Cross Information (new window)


Where I live, crosses are taken down by weather all of the time, or just gone one day. I think they look tacky, personally, but I'm not complaining.

I would complain if they were left alone but advertisements and other litter/junk was removed from the side of the road, but since all of it is left there, I'm fine with it.
 
2010-08-19 08:40:19 AM  
1nsanilicious: WTF is with you Athiests? Are the crosses hurtung you, poor little baby? Are you jealous that Athiests don't have a symbol of remembrance so you have to destroy others?

I dont care that Athiesm was crammed down my throat for years in public schools.

I think it's time we viewed Athiesm as a religion and start suing them for shiat.

I wonder what are some thing to sue Atheists for?


Fortunately there atheists are a loose collation of people who don't have much in common. If you get two atheists in a room all you can guarantee is that they both think there isn't enough evidence to presuppose a god.
 
2010-08-19 08:40:35 AM  
DarnoKonrad: Taking something to court isn't always an exercise in malice. There's good reasons, for all faiths and lack thereof, to keep the law on the side of secularism.

I agree. I just think there are real church and state issues worth fighting, and a roadside memorial isn't one of them. The American Atheists in this situation come off as meddling busybodies more than anything. It's completely appropriate for the court to rule the way they did, I just don't see the real offense in this case. It's not a church that put it up, it's a highway patrol association.

I would like a better picture of the crosses in question, though. The pic makes them look small but the article refers to them as being large.
 
2010-08-19 08:40:55 AM  
Boobiesontheside: We can get something as innocuous as a cross on a highway ruled unconstitutional, yet the very clearly unconstitutional 'drunk driving' checkpoints continue unabated. If only memorial crosses made the state money those bereaving families could have their way.

But driving is a privilege, not a right!
 
2010-08-19 08:41:39 AM  
LegalHeaven: I know this ruling is probably limited to only those crosses put up by the Highway Patrol (haven't read the opinion, but I would venture a guess the ruling is based on separation of church and state), but how will it affect private parties who do it when they lose a child, etc?

It won't. The issue was the fact that a) these were huge and b) they had the state seal on them.

If they hadn't put the seal on them, I'm not sure they would have lost.
 
2010-08-19 08:41:41 AM  
I RTFA- Let's be clear what we're talking about here. This is not a court opinion that suggests that these crosses are unconstitutional. This is a court opinion that these crosses are not constitutional when they are put up by the state to honor slaughtered pigs.

Crosses for humans == ok.
Crosses for filthy rotting dead swine != ok.
 
2010-08-19 08:41:50 AM  
JacksBlack: AaronK: How come there's no Star of David markers?

Jews drive better?


No, we don't go pushing our religious beliefs on other people and showing off in a public square (accept those guys with the hats and beards in the NYC subways - but hey, even they don't go reading from the bible outloud).
 
2010-08-19 08:42:25 AM  
Good. I for one am tired of plowing in to groups of people standing on the side of the road my tax money paid for.

"What they hell are you doing here? I was gravelling(*) my tires, you idiot."

(Weakly) "We were just praying over a lost comrade and you ran over us."

"Yeah. That's, uh, because jebus heard your prays and sent me to collect you."

(*) Gravelling Running your tires on the side of the road to clear the treads and rough up the traction surfaces. Increases gasoline mileage by 75% (ASIJMU)!!
 
2010-08-19 08:42:33 AM  
Pocket Ninja: I do not understand, at all, the impulse to mark the exact spot where a loved one died. It seems so empty and ultimately meaningless. You already have a marker--the grave. Unless the person was cremated and their ashes scattered right there at the spot where the accident happened, it just seems completely pointless to mark that spot in any way. What if they died on the way to the hospital? Would you erect a cross in the ambulance? What if your loved one was killed during a convenience store hold up? Would you expect to be able to erect a monument in front of the Fritos display? It's a silly gesture completely lacking in any coherent meaning (even a religious one).

THIS. I always feel bad when its in someone's yard. You know the person doesn't really want that in their yard, but they probably feel bad taking it down. Some are outright shrines. There is one near my parents' home where at one point, the parents of the kid actually nailed to the tree the elaborate contraption he had to wear when he'd broken his collarbone (years earlier, not connected to his death). Now there are like 3 signs, flags, and lots of pinwheels.

If I die in a car crash because I hit a tree, please don't put ribbons and bows on the tree that killed me. Also don't get a fancy decal made for your car with my name, a lame saying, and my birth and death dates on it.

Thanks.
 
2010-08-19 08:44:27 AM  
EvilEgg: 1nsanilicious: WTF is with you Athiests? Are the crosses hurtung you, poor little baby? Are you jealous that Athiests don't have a symbol of remembrance so you have to destroy others?

I dont care that Athiesm was crammed down my throat for years in public schools.

I think it's time we viewed Athiesm as a religion and start suing them for shiat.

I wonder what are some thing to sue Atheists for?

Fortunately there atheists are a loose collation of people who don't have much in common. If you get two atheists in a room all you can guarantee is that they both think there isn't enough evidence to presuppose a god.


I always get a kick out of people that think atheism is a religion. That's like saying that a group of people that are not astronomers are a religion of non-astronomers. Or maybe people that never collected baseball cards are a cult against baseball cards. My brain hurts thinking about that concenpt.
 
2010-08-19 08:44:49 AM  
Fark Me To Tears:
Have these judges ever visited Arlington National Cemetery? Following their logic, the grave markers (most of which are crosses) should all be taken down, as the US government placed them there.


The grave markers at Arlington National Cemetery are not crosses. They are standard rectangular headstones with a small cross or star of David, or crescent indicating the religion of person buried there.
 
2010-08-19 08:44:52 AM  
ShillinTheVillain: DarnoKonrad: Taking something to court isn't always an exercise in malice. There's good reasons, for all faiths and lack thereof, to keep the law on the side of secularism.

I agree. I just think there are real church and state issues worth fighting, and a roadside memorial isn't one of them. The American Atheists in this situation come off as meddling busybodies more than anything. It's completely appropriate for the court to rule the way they did, I just don't see the real offense in this case. It's not a church that put it up, it's a highway patrol association.

I would like a better picture of the crosses in question, though. The pic makes them look small but the article refers to them as being large.



If government employees like cops are allowed to do this type of thing, than government employees like teachers could too. It doesn't really matter if they use their own money and organization, for whatever purpose, they're still dragging it on public property and making their public office or duty a functionary of their faith. 'Offense' is really besides the point.
 
2010-08-19 08:46:06 AM  
1nsanilicious: WTF is with you Athiests? Are the crosses hurtung you, poor little baby? Are you jealous that Athiests don't have a symbol of remembrance so you have to destroy others?

I dont care that Athiesm was crammed down my throat for years in public schools.

I think it's time we viewed Athiesm as a religion and start suing them for shiat.

I wonder what are some thing to sue Atheists for?


This
 
2010-08-19 08:47:09 AM  
Pocket Ninja: I do not understand, at all, the impulse to mark the exact spot where a loved one died. It seems so empty and ultimately meaningless. You already have a marker--the grave. Unless the person was cremated and their ashes scattered right there at the spot where the accident happened, it just seems completely pointless to mark that spot in any way. What if they died on the way to the hospital? Would you erect a cross in the ambulance? What if your loved one was killed during a convenience store hold up? Would you expect to be able to erect a monument in front of the Fritos display? It's a silly gesture completely lacking in any coherent meaning (even a religious one).

The only reason I can think of to put crosses or other markers along a highway (to commemorate deaths) is to remind drivers just how dangerous the highways are.
 
2010-08-19 08:47:25 AM  
20 years ago you rarely saw these things. Now, they're all over the place. What's the deal?
 
2010-08-19 08:47:26 AM  
There was a time when these seemed to only exist at blind turns or other dangerous bits of road, and served as a bit of a warning.


Now they're anywhere little drunken timmy or suzy farks up, and serve no ancillary purpose (in the daytime when you can see them).
 
2010-08-19 08:47:35 AM  
Pocket Ninja: I do not understand, at all, the impulse to mark the exact spot where a loved one died. It seems so empty and ultimately meaningless. You already have a marker--the grave. Unless the person was cremated and their ashes scattered right there at the spot where the accident happened, it just seems completely pointless to mark that spot in any way. What if they died on the way to the hospital? Would you erect a cross in the ambulance? What if your loved one was killed during a convenience store hold up? Would you expect to be able to erect a monument in front of the Fritos display? It's a silly gesture completely lacking in any coherent meaning (even a religious one).

I always look at those crosses and go "Wow, someone managed to wipe on this THIS curve? They must have been drunk as fark or stupid as hell."

/the article just says the government can't put up the cross, which seems about right
 
2010-08-19 08:47:36 AM  
Fark Me To Tears: Have these judges ever visited Arlington National Cemetery? Following their logic, the grave markers (most of which are crosses) should all be taken down, as the US government placed them there.

Keep reading, you're almost there..
 
2010-08-19 08:47:47 AM  
ShillinTheVillain: I would like a better picture of the crosses in question, though. The pic makes them look small but the article refers to them as being large.

Yeah, that picture in the article is not an accurate representation. I read the decision. The cross is 12 feet high and 6 feet across with a plaque of the state "beehive" logo placed in the middle of the cross. That plaque measures 1 inches by 18 inches.

Here's a picture. You cannot tell the size of it due to the lack of anything to compare it to, but I'll take what the court said.

i163.photobucket.com
 
2010-08-19 08:47:50 AM  
editorial_distractions:
THIS. I always feel bad when its in someone's yard. You know the person doesn't really want that in their yard, but they probably feel bad taking it down. Some are outright shrines. There is one near my parents' home where at one point, the parents of the kid actually nailed to the tree the elaborate contraption he had to wear when he'd broken his collarbone (years earlier, not connected to his death). Now there are like 3 signs, flags, and lots of pinwheels.

If I die in a car crash because I hit a tree, please don't put ribbons and bows on the tree that killed me. Also don't get a fancy decal made for your car with my name, a lame saying, and my birth and death dates on it.

Thanks.


That happened around here recently, a car crash went into someones front yard off the highway (His yard was in a valley) So there were people in his front yard grieving in the middle of his lawn every morning. Now he has a bunch of stuff right on the corner of his driveway to decorate his mailbox with. There was also a car crash that hit a giant farking oak tree on the same road, so they tacked a cross and such onto this 100+ year old tree. While a nice warning, the skidmarks pointing into the tree were probably a bit better at conveying the point of not driving into trees.
 
2010-08-19 08:48:00 AM  
If I'm killed in a car accident I want my family to mount me on a giant spring connected to police radar so I can be launched out at speeders with a recording of me screaming SLOW DOWWWWWWWWN!

I mean, if they're going to do it anyway, I may as well make a difference, right?
 
2010-08-19 08:49:11 AM  
ha-ha-guy: Pocket Ninja: I do not understand, at all, the impulse to mark the exact spot where a loved one died. It seems so empty and ultimately meaningless. You already have a marker--the grave. Unless the person was cremated and their ashes scattered right there at the spot where the accident happened, it just seems completely pointless to mark that spot in any way. What if they died on the way to the hospital? Would you erect a cross in the ambulance? What if your loved one was killed during a convenience store hold up? Would you expect to be able to erect a monument in front of the Fritos display? It's a silly gesture completely lacking in any coherent meaning (even a religious one).

I always look at those crosses and go "Wow, someone managed to wipe on this THIS curve? They must have been drunk as fark or stupid as hell."

/the article just says the government can't put up the cross, which seems about right


The highway dept. says you're not suppose to put up anything, which includes crosses.
 
2010-08-19 08:49:31 AM  
danvon: That plaque measures 1 inches by 18 inches.

That's 12 inches by 18 inches.
 
2010-08-19 08:51:27 AM  
DarnoKonrad: If government employees like cops are allowed to do this type of thing, than government employees like teachers could too. It doesn't really matter if they use their own money and organization, for whatever purpose, they're still dragging it on public property and making their public office or duty a functionary of their faith. 'Offense' is really besides the point.

You're right. Despite my feelings that this issue is a trivial one, the principle of the matter requires that we follow the same standard. And I would rather we just say "no roadside memorials" as opposed to filling the dockets with cases of every different group that wants their own unique markers to be allowed.

When I see a cross on the side of the road, it usually has a first name, and "Dad" or "Mom" or something on it. It doesn't mean anything to anybody but people who knew the person, so it's just as well served to be in a memorial garden or cemetery.
 
2010-08-19 08:52:32 AM  
I think that *EVERY* roadside death should be marked with a 10 foot long steel post (no crosses, thank you) with 4 feet buried and 6 feet sticking out painted flat black.

Imagine approaching a dangerous curve/intersection and the area surrounding it is littered with black posts. I imagine it would make most people slow the fark down and be more careful.

/Not really, but it's a nice thought experiment.
//slashies!
 
2010-08-19 08:52:32 AM  
charley572: 1nsanilicious: WTF is with you Athiests? Are the crosses hurtung you, poor little baby? Are you jealous that Athiests don't have a symbol of remembrance so you have to destroy others?

I dont care that Athiesm was crammed down my throat for years in public schools.

I think it's time we viewed Athiesm as a religion and start suing them for shiat.

I wonder what are some thing to sue Atheists for?

This


They see me trolling...
 
2010-08-19 08:52:54 AM  
danvon: ShillinTheVillain: I would like a better picture of the crosses in question, though. The pic makes them look small but the article refers to them as being large.

Yeah, that picture in the article is not an accurate representation. I read the decision. The cross is 12 feet high and 6 feet across with a plaque of the state "beehive" logo placed in the middle of the cross. That plaque measures 1 inches by 18 inches.

Here's a picture. You cannot tell the size of it due to the lack of anything to compare it to, but I'll take what the court said.


Holy cow. Thanks for that. 12 feet is ridiculous. The picture made it look 1.5-2 feet tops.
 
2010-08-19 08:53:43 AM  
JackCroww: I think that *EVERY* roadside death should be marked with a 10 foot long steel post (no crosses, thank you) with 4 feet buried and 6 feet sticking out painted flat black.

Imagine approaching a dangerous curve/intersection and the area surrounding it is littered with black posts. I imagine it would make most people slow the fark down and be more careful.

/Not really, but it's a nice thought experiment.
//slashies!


When you get enough, bolt a guardrail to them.
 
2010-08-19 08:54:02 AM  
JackCroww: I think that *EVERY* roadside death should be marked with a 10 foot long steel post (no crosses, thank you) with 4 feet buried and 6 feet sticking out painted flat black.

Imagine approaching a dangerous curve/intersection and the area surrounding it is littered with black posts. I imagine it would make most people slow the fark down and be more careful.

/Not really, but it's a nice thought experiment.
//slashies!


I like that idea. Honestly. I really really do.
 
2010-08-19 08:54:35 AM  
There are atheists in Texas?
 
2010-08-19 08:54:47 AM  
personally find the sight of large crosses distasteful, since i know what they were used for. might as well have an iron maiden device, or a noose hanging from a tree, maybe a large iron cage with a man in it screaming "Peck! Peck! Peeeeeeeck!"

why couldn't they just put up a tasteful billboard somewhere that wouldn't distract drivers too much with pictures of the beloved departed on them. or a little park along the side of the road?

nope gotta be huge crosses everywhere.

you know who else put large crucifix-like things everywhere?

here's a hint:
dvdmedia.ign.com
 
2010-08-19 08:55:22 AM  
ttintagel: There are atheists in Texas?

Yes. And if the lore is to be believed, they're probably bigger than the average atheist.
 
2010-08-19 08:55:58 AM  
Take a drive along Hwy 105 from Conroe to Beaumont. There are crosses all over that road. I don't mean a couple either...They are everywhere. If not anything else, I was reminded to keep my shiat straight while I was on that road.

Lighten up Church of Atheism.
 
2010-08-19 08:56:06 AM  
EvilEgg: ha-ha-guy: Pocket Ninja: I do not understand, at all, the impulse to mark the exact spot where a loved one died. It seems so empty and ultimately meaningless. You already have a marker--the grave. Unless the person was cremated and their ashes scattered right there at the spot where the accident happened, it just seems completely pointless to mark that spot in any way. What if they died on the way to the hospital? Would you erect a cross in the ambulance? What if your loved one was killed during a convenience store hold up? Would you expect to be able to erect a monument in front of the Fritos display? It's a silly gesture completely lacking in any coherent meaning (even a religious one).

I always look at those crosses and go "Wow, someone managed to wipe on this THIS curve? They must have been drunk as fark or stupid as hell."

/the article just says the government can't put up the cross, which seems about right

The highway dept. says you're not suppose to put up anything, which includes crosses.


And yet the same highway department puts up crosses when their own die?
 
2010-08-19 08:56:36 AM  
ShillinTheVillain: danvon: ShillinTheVillain: I would like a better picture of the crosses in question, though. The pic makes them look small but the article refers to them as being large.

Yeah, that picture in the article is not an accurate representation. I read the decision. The cross is 12 feet high and 6 feet across with a plaque of the state "beehive" logo placed in the middle of the cross. That plaque measures 1 inches by 18 inches.

Here's a picture. You cannot tell the size of it due to the lack of anything to compare it to, but I'll take what the court said.

Holy cow. Thanks for that. 12 feet is ridiculous. The picture made it look 1.5-2 feet tops.


Yeah, that is one misleading photo in the article, it looks like they are barely above the grass. The photog had to work to get that shot.
 
2010-08-19 08:56:37 AM  
Pocket Ninja: I do not understand, at all, the impulse to mark the exact spot where a loved one died. It seems so empty and ultimately meaningless. You already have a marker--the grave. Unless the person was cremated and their ashes scattered right there at the spot where the accident happened, it just seems completely pointless to mark that spot in any way. What if they died on the way to the hospital? Would you erect a cross in the ambulance? What if your loved one was killed during a convenience store hold up? Would you expect to be able to erect a monument in front of the Fritos display? It's a silly gesture completely lacking in any coherent meaning (even a religious one).

I agree so much. There is this one that I drive by daily to work, that is obviously tended, as there are always fresh flower crosses at it. It has been that way for the last 2 years. It is the same with the damn memorial stickers people put on their rear windshields. Nothing like turing a loved one's death into a chance to be an attention whore. Learn to let go and move on. Your dead loved one would rather it be that way, because frankly, they don't care anymore.
 
2010-08-19 08:57:38 AM  
habitual_masticator: AaronK: How come there's no Star of David markers?

because christians are the worst drivers


Yeah, they're always letting that Jesus guy take the wheel.
 
2010-08-19 08:58:08 AM  
And now for TheMysteriousStranger's simple solutions to simple constitutional problems:

Allow families to put up simple memorials to those who have been lost. The only vote the government gets on the nature of the memorials would be non-religious in nature and would include things like allowable sizes, safety issues, a few minor tact issues (no profanity or political messages), etc. If they choose a cross then that would be their choice. Of course they can choose a Star of David if they want. If they have some other religion great. If they want to put up something completely secular, then that is great as well.

Remember it is not crosses that are unconstitutional. It the government endorsement of them that is.
 
2010-08-19 08:58:38 AM  
rebelyell2006: EvilEgg: ha-ha-guy: Pocket Ninja: I do not understand, at all, the impulse to mark the exact spot where a loved one died. It seems so empty and ultimately meaningless. You already have a marker--the grave. Unless the person was cremated and their ashes scattered right there at the spot where the accident happened, it just seems completely pointless to mark that spot in any way. What if they died on the way to the hospital? Would you erect a cross in the ambulance? What if your loved one was killed during a convenience store hold up? Would you expect to be able to erect a monument in front of the Fritos display? It's a silly gesture completely lacking in any coherent meaning (even a religious one).

I always look at those crosses and go "Wow, someone managed to wipe on this THIS curve? They must have been drunk as fark or stupid as hell."

/the article just says the government can't put up the cross, which seems about right

The highway dept. says you're not suppose to put up anything, which includes crosses.

And yet the same highway department puts up crosses when their own die?


Heh, that's the thing. It's their job to put up things along the highway, no one else is allowed to.
 
2010-08-19 08:59:19 AM  
Fark Me To Tears: Yes, the cross symbolizes Christianity, but it also symbolizes a memorial to those who've passed on.

This might be the stupidest thing I've read all year.
 
2010-08-19 09:00:35 AM  
But hey, the WBC can protest funerals and incite hate speech all the want under the guise of "free speech". Free speech should be trumped when it's 100% obvious to everyone on the planet your rhetoric has no intended purpose but to flamebait people.
 
2010-08-19 09:00:41 AM  
What about instead of Road Crosses they put up Road Houses, then Patrick Swayze can roundhouse kick unsafe drivers off the highway?
 
2010-08-19 09:00:46 AM  
Fark Me To Tears: Have these judges ever visited Arlington National Cemetery? Following their logic, the grave markers (most of which are crosses) should all be taken down, as the US government placed them there.

The Grave markers at Arlington aren't Crosses.

Did you ever think that maybe there's a reason for that?
 
2010-08-19 09:02:56 AM  
Unconstitutional or not, I'll pull those things up whenever I can. Aside from them just looking stupid, I don't want your dead relative or friend pushed in my face every morning on my way to work. So suck it, cross planters. :P
 
hej [TotalFark]
2010-08-19 09:02:58 AM  
Pocket Ninja: I do not understand, at all, the impulse to mark the exact spot where a loved one died. It seems so empty and ultimately meaningless. You already have a marker--the grave. Unless the person was cremated and their ashes scattered right there at the spot where the accident happened, it just seems completely pointless to mark that spot in any way. What if they died on the way to the hospital? Would you erect a cross in the ambulance? What if your loved one was killed during a convenience store hold up? Would you expect to be able to erect a monument in front of the Fritos display? It's a silly gesture completely lacking in any coherent meaning (even a religious one).

Imagine the kind of monument they'd have to erect if your loved one keeled over from a heart attack in a porn store.
 
2010-08-19 09:03:11 AM  
Dancin_In_Anson: Take a drive along Hwy 105 from Conroe to Beaumont. There are crosses all over that road. I don't mean a couple either...They are everywhere. If not anything else, I was reminded to keep my shiat straight while I was on that road.

Lighten up Church of Atheism.


I have PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY so I don't need the NANNY STATE to remind me to drive properly.
 
2010-08-19 09:04:13 AM  
rebelyell2006: EvilEgg: ha-ha-guy: Pocket Ninja: I do not understand, at all, the impulse to mark the exact spot where a loved one died. It seems so empty and ultimately meaningless. You already have a marker--the grave. Unless the person was cremated and their ashes scattered right there at the spot where the accident happened, it just seems completely pointless to mark that spot in any way. What if they died on the way to the hospital? Would you erect a cross in the ambulance? What if your loved one was killed during a convenience store hold up? Would you expect to be able to erect a monument in front of the Fritos display? It's a silly gesture completely lacking in any coherent meaning (even a religious one).

I always look at those crosses and go "Wow, someone managed to wipe on this THIS curve? They must have been drunk as fark or stupid as hell."

/the article just says the government can't put up the cross, which seems about right

The highway dept. says you're not suppose to put up anything, which includes crosses.

And yet the same highway department puts up crosses when their own die?


Exactly why this was ruled unconstitutional xP
 
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