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(Lexington Herald Leader)   Confederate POW camp found. This is not a repeat from 1864   (kentucky.com) divider line 129
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2010-08-18 08:29:21 PM
So, when do we start rounding up the Teabaggers?
 
2010-08-18 08:45:24 PM
Let me be the first to call it the "War of Northern Aggression".
 
2010-08-18 08:53:37 PM
I'm not up on Ga. Southern's archaeology program. Any Farkers more familiar with their program?
 
2010-08-18 08:55:10 PM
FTFA: Despite the camp's brief existence, at least 685 prisoners died there.

Sherman, you dolt! Let the prisoners out before you burn that thing!
 
2010-08-18 09:30:00 PM
FirstNationalBastard: Let me be the first to call it the "War of Northern Aggression".

Don't joke about that, people actually say that seriously.
 
2010-08-18 09:34:44 PM
GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: Let me be the first to call it the "War of Northern Aggression".

Don't joke about that, people actually say that seriously.


Oh, I know. I just figured I'd get it in here in a sarcastic way before this goes to the main page, and someone uses the term in a serious way.
 
2010-08-18 09:35:21 PM
Is this a different camp than the one where the confederates starved and worked to death 15,000 union soldiers?
 
2010-08-18 09:42:37 PM
IgG4: Is this a different camp than the one where the confederates starved and worked to death 15,000 union soldiers?

No, this is the one they built after we got to Andersonville, which is the one you're referring to.
 
2010-08-18 09:47:17 PM
FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: Let me be the first to call it the "War of Northern Aggression".

Don't joke about that, people actually say that seriously.

Oh, I know. I just figured I'd get it in here in a sarcastic way before this goes to the main page, and someone uses the term in a serious way.


I'm dustrubed that I know people like that exist, but glad I don't know anyone anything close to that myself.
 
2010-08-18 09:47:50 PM
Next Braddock Movie?
 
2010-08-18 09:49:58 PM
Georgia officials say the discoveries, announced Wednesday, were made by a 36-year-old graduate student at Georgia Southern University who set out to find Camp Lawton for his thesis project in archaeology.

Ha Ha! farking archaeologists. As old as the shiat they study.

/of course, I know he probably did a bunch of applied work before deciding to go back to grad school, or some shiat like that.
 
2010-08-18 09:50:52 PM
What? 10 posts and no one lists slavery as having nothing to do with the Civil War?

/fark i am disappoint
 
2010-08-18 09:57:03 PM
Metaluna Mutant: What? 10 posts and no one lists slavery as having nothing to do with the Civil War?

/fark i am disappoint


Slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War, it was all... the economics and states rights! Yeah! The state's right to... uh... say if slavery was okay or not... and the economy...based..on...slavery...

But nothing to do with slavery!
 
2010-08-18 09:57:24 PM
Meh.

These old timey places don't do it for me in a fap fap kind of way.

Now the Yankee Gulags they have right now, like the ones in Usbekistan where goat herders get raped in the ass with broken bottles raped, or boiled alive, makes me want to fap.

/you gonna get raped
//everything changed after 9/11
 
2010-08-18 09:59:56 PM
Still holding POWs after 150 years, huh? Sheesh, you Southerners just can't let it go, can you...
 
2010-08-18 10:01:03 PM
Makh: FTFA: Despite the camp's brief existence, at least 685 prisoners died there.

Sherman, you dolt! Let the prisoners out before you burn that thing!


Yankees, ain't fit to pour pee outta boot, even if instructions 'r written on the heel.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, god damned Yankees.
 
2010-08-18 10:01:30 PM
1864? Well, if were to be in a Pioneer Village, I do-an suppose it would be from 1864!

/ obscure
 
2010-08-18 10:03:48 PM
Metaluna Mutant: What? 10 posts and no one lists slavery as having nothing to do with the Civil War?

/fark i am disappoint


Dude, it says "negro" three times in the Confederate constitution (new window). Why would they call that out?
 
2010-08-18 10:08:10 PM
For all the righteous indignation of you people offended by andersonville: Elmira
 
2010-08-18 10:09:49 PM
FirstNationalBastard: Let me be the first to call it the "War of Northern Aggression".

My great-grandmother called it that, seriously. In that soft, sweet southern drawl, "The Warah of Nawthern Uhgression". She was born 1882. My grandmother (who would have been 100 this year!) said that HER grandparents also called it that.
 
2010-08-18 10:14:12 PM
Bench bucket... How dare they use a word that was socially acceptable back then. Quit judging those people by your gay ass modern day, politically correct standards. Retard
 
2010-08-18 10:14:58 PM
public option: For all the righteous indignation of you people offended by andersonville: Elmira

Camp Douglas and Elmira were both pretty bad, but they should always be compared to Andersonville because it prompted the only regular Confederate officer to be executed by the Federal government.
 
2010-08-18 10:15:08 PM
From the Confederate Constitution.

Article 4, Section 3.3:

In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress


Nope. Nothing in there about slavery.
 
2010-08-18 10:21:26 PM
Unc_Samurai Henry wirtz I believe was his name and he was a fall guy. He was hung for cruelty to the prisoners but the sad fact is, that by 1864, the confederates could not afford to feed their own army, much less their northern "guests"

I have been to Andersonville and it is worth the trip. Amazing what people, north and south, went through in that war.
 
2010-08-18 10:23:15 PM
UNC_Samurai: I'm not up on Ga. Southern's archaeology program. Any Farkers more familiar with their program?

I'm a GSU alum. The archaeology program is within the anthropology department; the school doesn't offer archaeology degrees. But about 30 years ago, GSU scientists helped unearth the oldest whale fossil found in North America (42 million years old).
 
2010-08-18 10:24:07 PM
The Union had its own death camps:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Douglas_(Chicago)
 
2010-08-18 10:24:37 PM
FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: Let me be the first to call it the "War of Northern Aggression".

Don't joke about that, people actually say that seriously.

Oh, I know. I just figured I'd get it in here in a sarcastic way before this goes to the main page, and someone uses the term in a serious way.



Meh. I've already registered the "War of Liberal Aggression"® That's what we're gonna call the next one, you know...
 
2010-08-18 10:26:47 PM
sirbissel: Metaluna Mutant: What? 10 posts and no one lists slavery as having nothing to do with the Civil War?

/fark i am disappoint

Slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War, it was all... the economics and states rights! Yeah! The state's right to... uh... say if slavery was okay or not... and the economy...based..on...slavery...

But nothing to do with slavery!


Let's be fair. The Confederate States succeeded because they felt that the U.S. Government would inevitably eliminate the labor mechanism essential to the Southern economy. While the moderate position was to be against slavery expanding into newer western states, the southern states realized that free state expansion would eventually cost them their one remaining piece of political leverage - the Senate.

So really, it was an issue of sovereignty and economics...both of which could not exist at the time without the forced labor of slavery.
 
2010-08-18 10:29:50 PM
TheShavingofOccam123: From the Confederate Constitution.

Article 4, Section 3.3:

In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress

Nope. Nothing in there about slavery.


The first three articles were the "No, we're really not racist, see??" articles.
 
2010-08-18 10:32:03 PM
UNC_Samurai: sirbissel: Metaluna Mutant: What? 10 posts and no one lists slavery as having nothing to do with the Civil War?

/fark i am disappoint

Slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War, it was all... the economics and states rights! Yeah! The state's right to... uh... say if slavery was okay or not... and the economy...based..on...slavery...

But nothing to do with slavery!

Let's be fair. The Confederate States succeeded because they felt that the U.S. Government would inevitably eliminate the labor mechanism essential to the Southern economy. While the moderate position was to be against slavery expanding into newer western states, the southern states realized that free state expansion would eventually cost them their one remaining piece of political leverage - the Senate.

So really, it was an issue of sovereignty and economics...both of which could not exist at the time without the forced labor of slavery.



Succeeded, seriously? My non-degreed grasp of language says they didn't, and they didn't.
 
2010-08-18 10:33:01 PM
UNC_Samurai:
So really, it was an issue of sovereignty and economics...both of which could not exist at the time without the forced labor of slavery.


Isn't that more or less what I said?
 
2010-08-18 10:34:17 PM
For all those calling the Southern states treasonous, and that is where all these inevitably lead, keep in mind that secession was not prohibited by the constitution. Of course it took 600,000 lives to establish that we are one country, and not a bunch of soveriegn states, but so be it. And you ultra lib farkers that say repartions are in order for blacks, my reply is the 600,000 lives spent in that war. That is your reparations. And welfare.
 
2010-08-18 10:35:05 PM
Kudos to this guy who will now never receive tenure.
 
2010-08-18 10:37:16 PM
public option: And you ultra lib farkers that say repartions are in order for blacks, my reply is the 600,000 lives spent in that war. That is your reparations. And welfare.

Farkin' black people! We already gave them 600,000 lives, what more do they want??

Greedy bastards, every one of them.
 
2010-08-18 10:43:48 PM
adeist69: Succeeded, seriously? My non-degreed grasp of language says they didn't, and they didn't.

Wow, it's late, and I'm a non-proofreading dumbass. ESPECIALLY since I spent all day proofreading a battlefield archaeology textbook for A&M (Aggies don't read any better than I do).

sirbissel: UNC_Samurai:
So really, it was an issue of sovereignty and economics...both of which could not exist at the time without the forced labor of slavery.

Isn't that more or less what I said?


Sort of. Slavery was the ticking time bomb, but the Annexation of Texas and the rapid settlement of western territories which began after the Mexican-American War was the catalyst that sparked the fears among southern elites that they were going to lose their power in the Senate.
 
2010-08-18 10:48:03 PM
The thing about north vs south arguments on fark is how the north siding people get so goddamned self-riteous. Do they not realize that after Lincoln passed the Emancipation Proclanation, the state of Indinia passed a measure preventing any freed black from obtaining a job there. Or the New York draft riotsn directly related to the afro-americans. Or the fact that the haught New England states were the first to allow slavery in this country. Nosir, I need a fark worthy soundbite, its all about the racist southern states.
 
2010-08-18 10:52:51 PM
I drive past Andersonville every month on my way to National Guard duty - I really must see it one day. For that matter there is plenty of Civil War history around here, and in 17 years in Georgia, I've only seen Chickamauga. I'll tell you though, I got the shock of my life when, back in '93 and I was brand new in Georgia, I happened to walk into this nut's shop in Kennesaw. I was browsing, looking at Civil War artifacts, and thinking "Wow...how neat!". The whole while the owner was watching me closely....I turned a corner and he had mannequins in full KKK garb, and t shirts saying "Hitler was right!" and things of that nature. I was freakin' shocked (having grown up in California and never being exposed to blatant racism like that). I realized he was watching me because, my having Mexican blood, I was not your typical Aryan Nations poster child and he probably thought I'd steal something. I was so shook up I made a hasty exit. I can't believe this nut is even still in business, but you have plenty of backwards farktards outside the city so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

A joke I heard when I first came to Atlanta, that the locals don't like for some reason....

Q: What do you call a Yankee in Atlanta?
A: Boss

/'cept for the retarded racists, I love Georgia and have many dear native friends.
 
2010-08-18 10:53:00 PM
public option: The thing about north vs south arguments on fark is how the north siding people get so goddamned self-riteous. Do they not realize that after Lincoln passed the Emancipation Proclanation, the state of Indinia passed a measure preventing any freed black from obtaining a job there. Or the New York draft riotsn directly related to the afro-americans. Or the fact that the haught New England states were the first to allow slavery in this country. Nosir, I need a fark worthy soundbite, its all about the racist southern states.

When we said they should be free, we meant free in the South.
 
2010-08-18 10:53:54 PM
public option: The thing about north vs south arguments on fark is how the north siding people get so goddamned self-riteous. Do they not realize that after Lincoln passed the Emancipation Proclanation, the state of Indinia passed a measure preventing any freed black from obtaining a job there. Or the New York draft riotsn directly related to the afro-americans. Or the fact that the haught New England states were the first to allow slavery in this country. Nosir, I need a fark worthy soundbite, its all about the racist southern states.

Shelby Foote once said that you could oversimplify the contemporary attitude by saying, "Southerners loved the blacks they knew, but hated 'the black race', while Northerners liked 'the black race', but weren't too fond of the blacks they knew."
 
2010-08-18 10:54:08 PM
adeist69: UNC_Samurai: sirbissel: Metaluna Mutant: What? 10 posts and no one lists slavery as having nothing to do with the Civil War?

/fark i am disappoint

Slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War, it was all... the economics and states rights! Yeah! The state's right to... uh... say if slavery was okay or not... and the economy...based..on...slavery...

But nothing to do with slavery!

Let's be fair. The Confederate States succeeded because they felt that the U.S. Government would inevitably eliminate the labor mechanism essential to the Southern economy. While the moderate position was to be against slavery expanding into newer western states, the southern states realized that free state expansion would eventually cost them their one remaining piece of political leverage - the Senate.

So really, it was an issue of sovereignty and economics...both of which could not exist at the time without the forced labor of slavery.


Succeeded, seriously? My non-degreed grasp of language says they didn't, and they didn't.


I wonder if he'll cede your point.
 
2010-08-18 10:55:09 PM
nemoxnine: TheShavingofOccam123: From the Confederate Constitution.

Article 4, Section 3.3:

In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress

Nope. Nothing in there about slavery.

The first three articles were the "No, we're really not racist, see??" articles.


The fascinating thing is the constitution only mentions negro slavery. I guess indentured servitude and other flavors of slavery weren't important enough to go to war over.
 
2010-08-18 10:56:19 PM
wademh: adeist69: UNC_Samurai: sirbissel: Metaluna Mutant: What? 10 posts and no one lists slavery as having nothing to do with the Civil War?

/fark i am disappoint

Slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War, it was all... the economics and states rights! Yeah! The state's right to... uh... say if slavery was okay or not... and the economy...based..on...slavery...

But nothing to do with slavery!

Let's be fair. The Confederate States succeeded because they felt that the U.S. Government would inevitably eliminate the labor mechanism essential to the Southern economy. While the moderate position was to be against slavery expanding into newer western states, the southern states realized that free state expansion would eventually cost them their one remaining piece of political leverage - the Senate.

So really, it was an issue of sovereignty and economics...both of which could not exist at the time without the forced labor of slavery.


Succeeded, seriously? My non-degreed grasp of language says they didn't, and they didn't.

I wonder if he'll cede your point.


Not if his cede would not find purchase.
 
2010-08-18 10:56:30 PM
Let me be 1st. " The South Shall Rise Again" (thank you obama)
"Coming soon CW2 don't miss it...be there or be square" Come on down, we got some of that good ole' Southern hospitality waitin' for yall!
 
2010-08-18 10:59:32 PM
TheShavingofOccam123: The fascinating thing is the constitution only mentions negro slavery. I guess indentured servitude and other flavors of slavery weren't important enough to go to war over.

After about 1810 or so, Indians still living in eastern and central North Carolina were considered "persons of color", and could be sold into slavery if you looked the other way long enough. Most laws in NC differentiated between them, primarily because in the late 1820s-early 1830s there was a short-lived African relocation movement.

freetomato: I happened to walk into this nut's shop in Kennesaw.

I got curious, and started browsing the site, until I got to this little gem on the links page:

Go for the GOLD! Experience the New Rapidly Growing Hobby of Recreational Gold, Gem and Relic Prospecting. Enjoy educational hands On Adventure Tour, Utilizing the Latest Technology. Supervised by our knowledgeable and experienced guides.

Wonderful! Not only are they racist farktards, they're racist farktards who condone and encourage treasure hunting and scavenging.
 
2010-08-18 11:00:08 PM
Going back to the archaeology angle, I'm amazed that in this day & age of amateur treasure hunters with metal detectors, Civil War buffs, and rampant development builders pouring concrete all over the place, that Camp Lawton could have survived intact and unrummaged for 150 years. Hopefully, they'll be able to learn a lot about the prison camp life that the more notorious camps couldn't tell us.

Interestingly (to me, anyway) one reason POW camps in the Civil War, both north and south, were so horrific is that it was the first time in any war anywhere that prisoners had been kept by their enemy for extended periods of time. In wars in Europe, and even in the Revolution, prisoners were either exchanged right away, stripped of their weapons and gear and released at once, or, if they were high-value and kept, were in such small numbers they could be held in regular jails or fortresses.

Until the US Civil War, nobody had ever tried keeping thousands of enemy soldiers in their own territory for the duration; plus, nobody at the time knew anything about the psychology of prison guards and prison camp commandants. Nobody realized, for instance, that the soldiers guarding the prisoners, being pissed at not being at the front (or being the dregs of the troops left behind) would be more likely to be brutal to the prisoners.

A lot of the mistakes that got made at Andersonville and Elmira had to be made, unfortunately, so they didn't get made again in later wars. The Japanese made the same mistakes later, in the Philippines.
 
2010-08-18 11:00:34 PM
public option: For all the righteous indignation of you people offended by andersonville: Elmira

What does a big-titted vampire have to do with any of this?
 
2010-08-18 11:00:48 PM
To be honest, I have always admired RE Lee, and hi abilty to roitinely embarass federal armies usually 3 times the size of his own. Nathan Bedford Forrest was a bad-ass as well.
 
2010-08-18 11:02:14 PM
UNC_Samurai: adeist69: Succeeded, seriously? My non-degreed grasp of language says they didn't, and they didn't.

Wow, it's late, and I'm a non-proofreading dumbass. ESPECIALLY since I spent all day proofreading a battlefield archaeology textbook for A&M (Aggies don't read any better than I do).



That's understandable then. Did the textbook you were proofreading have enough football terminology to make it comprehendable to Aggies?
 
2010-08-18 11:04:09 PM
MY great great grandfather DIED in a Confederate Prison Camp. Yep.. Fell out the guard tower. (shakes head, swallows beer)
 
2010-08-18 11:05:44 PM
TheShavingofOccam123: wademh: adeist69: UNC_Samurai: sirbissel: Metaluna Mutant: What? 10 posts and no one lists slavery as having nothing to do with the Civil War?

/fark i am disappoint

Slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War, it was all... the economics and states rights! Yeah! The state's right to... uh... say if slavery was okay or not... and the economy...based..on...slavery...

But nothing to do with slavery!

Let's be fair. The Confederate States succeeded because they felt that the U.S. Government would inevitably eliminate the labor mechanism essential to the Southern economy. While the moderate position was to be against slavery expanding into newer western states, the southern states realized that free state expansion would eventually cost them their one remaining piece of political leverage - the Senate.

So really, it was an issue of sovereignty and economics...both of which could not exist at the time without the forced labor of slavery.


Succeeded, seriously? My non-degreed grasp of language says they didn't, and they didn't.

I wonder if he'll cede your point.

Not if his cede would not find purchase.



My seed has always found purchase, thank you very much.
 
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