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(Reason Magazine)   Indiana is not only unconstitutionally using private attorneys for asset forfeiture cases, they're also not putting the money in the constitutionally-required education fund   ( reason.com) divider line
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2010-08-18 05:32:32 PM  
OMG it's a Reason story that actually talks about something substantive!
 
2010-08-18 05:34:54 PM  
I love how they call it "asset forfeiture" instead of "theft by taking", which is much closer to the truth.

/someday all the amendments will be gone
 
2010-08-18 05:40:46 PM  
Our governor is a dumb fark named Mitch Daniels who's answer to everything is "privatize it!", so it's not all that surprising.
 
2010-08-18 05:55:04 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: OMG it's a Reason story that actually talks about something substantive!


Radley Balko's work is impeccable. I rarely hear the usual criticisms of reason and Cato leveled against him. It's kind of hard to hate a guy whose specialty is exposing lawless cops and getting innocent people off death row.
 
2010-08-18 06:12:53 PM  
But remember, it's gay marriages and guns that we need judicial action against!
 
2010-08-18 06:45:14 PM  
I wonder what the citizens of Indiana think.
 
2010-08-18 07:16:22 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: OMG it's a Reason story that actually talks about something substantive!


I was surprised that the author didn't screech like a fruitbat about the money going to a constitutionally-mandated education fund.

/must have been a difficult choice for the author
//'do i write an article bashing teachers or do i stand for something?... crikey, this is tearing me apart'
 
2010-08-18 07:27:15 PM  

patrick767: Our governor is a dumb fark named Mitch Daniels who's answer to everything is "privatize it!", so it's not all that surprising.


He'll be the next president.

Indiana: the Mississippi of the North.

/yes, i'm a hoosier
 
2010-08-18 07:32:12 PM  

Churchill2004: hillbillypharmacist: OMG it's a Reason story that actually talks about something substantive!

Radley Balko's work is impeccable. I rarely hear the usual criticisms of reason and Cato leveled against him. It's kind of hard to hate a guy whose specialty is exposing lawless cops and getting innocent people off death row.


I'd agree with this - but I think it's largely because the rest of the Reason writers who have done considerable stints at NRO other conservative mags are so used to presenting incomplete arguments and winning over a docile crowd that they don't know how to stop.
 
2010-08-18 07:33:45 PM  

gameshowhost: hillbillypharmacist: OMG it's a Reason story that actually talks about something substantive!

I was surprised that the author didn't screech like a fruitbat about the money going to a constitutionally-mandated education fund.

/must have been a difficult choice for the author
//'do i write an article bashing teachers or do i stand for something?... crikey, this is tearing me apart'


Yeah, it's always a close call when deciding whether or not to support obeying the law. Gotta weigh that with whether the law is one you agree with.
 
2010-08-18 07:35:08 PM  

patrick767: Our governor is a dumb fark named Mitch Daniels who's answer to everything is "privatize it!", so it's not all that surprising.


Your governor says "privatize it!" to everything, so you're not surprised that the Attorney General is illegally diverting asset forfeiture revenues?

Me no understand

/Step 1: Steal underpants, Step 2: ???, Step 3: Profit
 
2010-08-18 07:37:11 PM  

Churchill2004:

Radley Balko's work is impeccable. I rarely hear the usual criticisms of reason and Cato leveled against him. It's kind of hard to hate a guy whose specialty is exposing lawless cops and getting innocent people off death row.


I don't agree with you on a lot of things, but I agree with you on this one. Balko's probably the best investigative journalist in America right now WAY ahead of Dana Priest, who is WAY ahead of the rest of the rest of the pack.
 
2010-08-18 07:38:43 PM  
Greg Zoeller is a Republican. I really hate it when the guys I'm hoping won't wipe their butts with the law act like Democrats instead.
 
2010-08-18 07:43:09 PM  
yes, welcome to the 'justice' system.
 
2010-08-18 07:44:03 PM  

jjorsett: Greg Zoeller is a Republican. I really hate it when the guys I'm hoping won't wipe their butts with the law act like Democrats instead.


Yes, the real victim here is you.
 
2010-08-18 07:51:46 PM  
So, wtf doesn't anyone challenge this behavior in court?

/ not a law person
 
2010-08-18 07:55:36 PM  

Rapmaster2000: patrick767: Our governor is a dumb fark named Mitch Daniels who's answer to everything is "privatize it!", so it's not all that surprising.

He'll be the next president.


Indiana, Uber Alles!
Indiana Uber Alles!
Uber Alles, Indiana!
Uber Alles Indiana!
 
2010-08-18 07:57:20 PM  

MBA Whore: So, wtf doesn't anyone challenge this behavior in court?

/ not a law person


I don't know about Indiana specifically, but a lot of state forfeiture laws are set up so the burden is on the "victim" to prove that the property wasn't used in a crime.
 
2010-08-18 08:00:37 PM  

Kirk's_Toupee: I wonder what the citizens of Indiana think.


A fair summation of my opinion:

patrick767: Our governor is a dumb fark named Mitch Daniels who's answer to everything is "privatize it!", so it's not all that surprising.


He's Even Bahy with an R after his name.
 
2010-08-18 08:02:15 PM  
Indiana? We named the dog Indiana.
 
2010-08-18 08:05:05 PM  
It would appear that their political leadership is... poorly constituted. *sunglasses* YEEEEEAAAAHHHHH...

/ Got nothing.
 
2010-08-18 08:05:11 PM  

stickmangrit: Indiana, Uber Alles!
Indiana Uber Alles!
Uber Alles, Indiana!
Uber Alles Indiana!


That is the scariest thing I've seen this year.

Wife-beater secret police.
 
2010-08-18 08:07:13 PM  

GucciMan: MBA Whore: So, wtf doesn't anyone challenge this behavior in court?

/ not a law person

I don't know about Indiana specifically, but a lot of state forfeiture laws are set up so the burden is on the "victim" to prove that the property wasn't used in a crime.


Moreover, likely the only ones to have standing would be the state treasury and state education dep't, and maybe legislators and/or the legislature. Whose legal representative is the same Attorney General who said he basically doesn't care and see his job as legal advisor/representative of the prosecutors as trumping his duties to other state agencies and the state constitution.

House of Tards: I don't agree with you on a lot of things, but I agree with you on this one. Balko's probably the best investigative journalist in America right now WAY ahead of Dana Priest, who is WAY ahead of the rest of the rest of the pack.


Without a doubt, he should be getting a lot more attention.

Indis: I'd agree with this - but I think it's largely because the rest of the Reason writers who have done considerable stints at NRO other conservative mags are so used to presenting incomplete arguments and winning over a docile crowd that they don't know how to stop


I dunno. This is true of some (I can't stand Harsanyi), but reason tends to draw from a more diverse crowd than that. Nick Gillespie and Matt Welch both have backgrounds in vaguely left-ish new media type stuff, and more broadly reason represents the left-moderate wing of libertarianism. Reason writers seem a lot more likely to crank out books on things like Burning Man and drug legalization than screeds against the income tax and UN.
 
2010-08-18 08:47:24 PM  
as a resident of Indiana, I don't care.

about 50% of my state taxes go to education funding. i think it is bloated and receives enough funding as is.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2010-08-18 08:50:59 PM  
Most North Carolina cities gave up red light cameras once the constitutional requirement that revenue go to schools was enforced. One city made a deal with the school district to share the revenue in violation of the constitution. I don't think anybody but the school districts had standing to challenge allocation of funds.

Attorneys with a conflict of interest, though, that's something a defendant ough to be able to challenge.
 
2010-08-18 08:55:31 PM  
Sounds like the politicians responsible could end up with an unconstitutional anal probing in their soon to be cell block by Bubba.
 
2010-08-18 09:01:43 PM  
They are close to Chicago and you know who is from Chicago so what did you expect?
 
2010-08-18 09:09:50 PM  
Yeah, who would have thought a guy who worked for Quayle and Thornburg would be such a dick?
 
2010-08-18 09:23:08 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: They are close to Chicago and you know who is from Chicago


Hitler.

/ Look it up.
 
2010-08-18 09:31:38 PM  

freewill: bigsteve3OOO: They are close to Chicago and you know who is from Chicago

Hitler.

/ Look it up.


That would be bad for....
 
2010-08-18 10:06:56 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: freewill: bigsteve3OOO: They are close to Chicago and you know who is from Chicago

Hitler.

/ Look it up.

That would be bad for....


Ghandi
 
2010-08-18 10:11:57 PM  

Goodfella: Sounds like the politicians responsible could end up with an unconstitutional anal probing in their soon to be cell block by Bubba.


And the schools still won't get the money (it'll just fall into the same vacuum that the "Hoosier Lotto" seems to disappear into).
 
2010-08-18 10:16:33 PM  
Damn that's as bad as the crap NJ did that the SEC is up their ass about.
 
2010-08-18 10:33:42 PM  

fifthhorseman: stickmangrit: Indiana, Uber Alles!
Indiana Uber Alles!
Uber Alles, Indiana!
Uber Alles Indiana!

That is the scariest thing I've seen this year.

Wife-beater secret police.


Did they come for your redneck niece?
 
2010-08-18 11:13:54 PM  
To use the excuse of many fark progressives when it comes to not following the Federal Constitution:

The Indiana state constitution is outdated and who cares what some guys wrote over 150 years ago?
 
2010-08-18 11:39:19 PM  
Our state is one of the best managed states in the Union right now. We weren't hit very hard by the recession even though most of us are in blue-collar work, and we've been running on a surplus for years.

Why cover Indiana corruption when California and Illinois are so much worse?
 
2010-08-18 11:46:49 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: OMG it's a Reason story that actually talks about something substantive!


Radley Balko should ease away from the rest of those loons and start his own site.
 
2010-08-18 11:59:27 PM  

mulletdude12: Our state is one of the best managed states in the Union right now. We weren't hit very hard by the recession even though most of us are in blue-collar work, and we've been running on a surplus for years.

Why cover Indiana corruption when California and Illinois are so much worse?


Because it is newsworthy.
 
2010-08-19 12:25:29 AM  

Churchill2004: I dunno. This is true of some (I can't stand Harsanyi), but reason tends to draw from a more diverse crowd than that. Nick Gillespie and Matt Welch both have backgrounds in vaguely left-ish new media type stuff, and more broadly reason represents the left-moderate wing of libertarianism. Reason writers seem a lot more likely to crank out books on things like Burning Man and drug legalization than screeds against the income tax and UN.


I stopped reading Reason after Obama was elected, mostly because I got tired of it and didn't lean as libertarian as I used to, but when I would read it I found many of the people on staff to bring about good, solid journalism.

In addition to Balko, you also had Dave Weigel (Member of that hyper-right wing group JournOlist) Greg Beato, Tim Cavanaugh (LA Times opinion editor) and Peter Bagge all contributing to the magazine, each of whom I consider to be incredibly good journalists and as far away as possible from what you would call a Libertarian crank. People such as Matt Welch and Gillespie are a bit more spotty, but both are at least interesting enough to not to instantly reject their ideas the second you see "Reason" in the submission queue.

In addition, I've mentioned this before on Fark, from about 2000-2008 (and maybe still today), Reason's culture section was one of the best culture section in any pieces of journalism in America.

Does Reason produce some bullshiat articles? Yes, especially since Welch took over. But it's nowhere close to being the bottom rung of journalism that Fark treats it as.
 
2010-08-19 12:27:55 AM  

bwesb: Indiana? We named the dog Indiana.


And what did that dog ever do to you?
 
2010-08-19 12:55:15 AM  
I think spending money this way is very educational for kids. The knowledge that the government(and society in general) doesn't really care about you is way more valuable than all that math they're never going to use.
 
2010-08-19 01:20:17 AM  

Jonathan Hohensee: I stopped reading Reason after Obama was elected, mostly because I got tired of it and didn't lean as libertarian as I used to, but when I would read it I found many of the people on staff to bring about good, solid journalism.


I appreciate the more wonkish turn they've taken on fiscal and economic issues, particularly their attention on state governments, and it's nice to have one more voice holding Obama's feet to the fire on things like marijuana, immigration, and civil liberties. One thing they have done recently is delve back into intra-libertarian spats, something they wisely got out of a long time ago. And Nick Gillespie is way too obsessed with his reason.tv pet project- I agree he was better in charge than Welch. They also speak more kindly of the tea parties than I would, though they've also been consistently disdainful of the Obama's-a-radical-extremist crap.
 
2010-08-19 01:35:19 AM  

Churchill2004: Jonathan Hohensee: I stopped reading Reason after Obama was elected, mostly because I got tired of it and didn't lean as libertarian as I used to, but when I would read it I found many of the people on staff to bring about good, solid journalism.

I appreciate the more wonkish turn they've taken on fiscal and economic issues, particularly their attention on state governments, and it's nice to have one more voice holding Obama's feet to the fire on things like marijuana, immigration, and civil liberties. One thing they have done recently is delve back into intra-libertarian spats, something they wisely got out of a long time ago. And Nick Gillespie is way too obsessed with his reason.tv pet project- I agree he was better in charge than Welch. They also speak more kindly of the tea parties than I would, though they've also been consistently disdainful of the Obama's-a-radical-extremist crap.


Although I dislike the Tea Parties myself, I give Reason a pass since they have always been sympathetic to fringe lunatics of all stripes. Every other month they'd have affection coverage of either anti-war protesters, polyamorus swingers, underground anime bootleggers, actual bootleggers, communist survivalists, gay pirates, 18th Century communes, cos-play enthusiasts, unpasteurized milk-selling rebels, DIY mechanics, or whatever nutjob that's out there that makes America great.

They are big fans of any benign goofball on the edge who has the government worried or annoyed. I think that aspect was one of the things that made me fall in love with the magazine.
 
2010-08-19 03:44:53 AM  
as a resident of Indiana and the son of a teacher in Indiana that hasn't gotten a raise for the last 4-5 years I would like to start shoving boots up asses until something gets done
 
2010-08-19 07:28:13 AM  

mulletdude12: Our state is one of the best managed states in the Union right now. We weren't hit very hard by the recession even though most of us are in blue-collar work, and we've been running on a surplus for years.


Then perhaps we should discuss cutting all those federal corn subsidies that help make your state a net recipient of federal funds.
 
2010-08-19 09:13:30 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Radley Balko should ease away from the rest of those loons and start his own site.


He does have his own site. (new window)

Anyways, I think there's a fair amount of good stuff to be found at Reason - Tim Cavanaugh is awesome, and Welch and Gillespie are usually decent if somewhat half-assed sometimes.
 
2010-08-19 11:02:57 AM  
fifthhorseman
He's Even Bahy with an R after his name.

Nah, Evan Bayh is much better. There are times when I wish he'd act more like the Democrat that he claims to be, but he's no ways near as right wing as Daniels.
 
2010-08-19 02:39:41 PM  

YixilTesiphon: BuckTurgidson: Radley Balko should ease away from the rest of those loons and start his own site.

He does have his own site. (new window)


The more you know!

Thanks
 
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