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2ndprize		2010-08-18 03:39:57 PM

Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990.

EdNortonsTwin		2010-08-18 03:40:50 PM

C'mon. It's not like the military pays much and one of the few VA and other benies you get after leaving is your reputation and honor. Going around making false claims is theft from those who served / did their duty. Theft, most all crimes are just a variation of it, and so is saying your earned service metals.

dragonchild		2010-08-18 03:41:18 PM

thinks_on_feet: He also didn't speak Spanish... said it was unimportant to his covert work.

Uh, Brazilians speak Portugese, so he would've been right on that account.

SteelCityKid		2010-08-18 03:42:27 PM

I don't see how it detracts from any real person of who has served. As much as I appreciate it, I get annoyed when I see folks wearing full uniforms and what not when they didn't have to. I worked with a guy that would come into work on his off days in full uniform, he was in the reserves. He just wanted attention. I have family that serves (home in 17 days!) and I've never seen him in uniform unless he has to be.

latenite		2010-08-18 03:42:39 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Spade: So, does this mean I can go around telling people I'm a police officer?

As long as you aren't trying to arrest anyone, sure.

Try simply telling a real Federal Air Marshal that you're one, and see what happens.

jayg22		2010-08-18 03:43:05 PM

After I won my 37th purple heart trying to save that blind girl and her puppy with two legs in a firefight in downtown Baghdad where I was out nummbered 47 to 1 I stoped caring about the medals or even telling people I had won them.

howdyyall9999		2010-08-18 03:43:06 PM

IXI Jim IXI: BigNumber12: I would look the other way, and I don't think I'm alone.

Well, watching prison sex isn't for everyone...

That really depends on the prison.

tricycleracer		2010-08-18 03:43:18 PM

I don't believe that "stealing thunder" is actually illegal.

Tard Strong		2010-08-18 03:43:33 PM

Satanicpuppy: If dishonesty were a punishable offense, it'd put Fox News out of business.

That being the case, I'm all for it.

I think Fox News is chopped full of assholes, BS artists, scum bags, yadda yadda yadaa.

But fark.. can get to the next funny?

\Fox News is played out
\\We know
\\\Slashies make my nipples hard....

FatherVic		2010-08-18 03:43:40 PM

2ndprize: Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990.

www.israelicombattraining.com

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elemenopy		2010-08-18 03:44:17 PM

Ghastly Lying sacks of shiat like this guy piss me off. As a former Navy SEAL who served with the British SAS it sickens me. It cheapens the 3 Medals of Honour I earned by killing terrorists with my bare hands and the 8 Bronze Stars and 5 Victoria Crosses I got for protecting orphans from Hitler's clones. This activist judge may be letting this guy off easy but he's in for a real world of hurt now. I'm a 12th level Dark Ninja and an expert computer hacker. I've already got this guy's address by backtracking the article. He may be safe from the government but he's not safe from me and my AK-M16-47 Katana launcher.

And your Holy Avenger and the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, right?

/or have you just been playing a LOT of CoD

Meat's dream		2010-08-18 03:47:04 PM

Subby, would you mind outing yourself so I can just ignore you right now?

Long Haired FM Type		2010-08-18 03:47:45 PM

A fun thing I like to do sometimes when I'm bored is click on the comments tab of any random bullshiat story just to see how many posts it takes for some nimrod to type the words "Fox News".

This time the answer is "six posts" and the nimrod of the day is neglogon.

Often times it happens much more quickly, but it's ALWAYS the first page.

You guys. You're all so special.

RussianPooper		2010-08-18 03:48:14 PM

2ndprize: Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990.

Libel is still against the law. However, you could say you've heard that he raped and murdered a girl in 1990 and he hasn't denied it.

fat boy		2010-08-18 03:48:46 PM

Gunny Tom Highway does not approve.

theredsea1		2010-08-18 03:49:34 PM

I have the medal of honor.

stonicus		2010-08-18 03:49:47 PM

reverendsaintjay: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Draskuul: Okay, Fark lawyers, what impact does this have on laws concerning perjury?

None. To be convicted of perjury, you have to have lied under oath. This had nothing to do with being under oath.

So no lying on your tax returns and getting away with it.

Right, but when you combine the fact that the court struck down a law making it illegal to lie with this quote from the article.

"The right to speak and write whatever one chooses - including, to some degree, worthless, offensive and demonstrable untruths - without cowering in fear of a powerful government is, in our view, an essential component of the protection afforded by the First Amendment," Judge Milan Smith said in the majority opinion.

It leads you to believe that the law against perjuring yourself under oath is just as unconstitutional as the law against claiming to be a Medal of Honor recipient.

Hmmmm, I see your point, but the reality of it is that you still are gonna go to jail if caught lying under oath.

As far as telling a chick you're a cop to nail her, that is fine. It's "impersonation" that will get you in trouble. Actually trying to arrest or pull someone over, exert police-only authority, or in the case of a soldier, actually trying to gain access or right to military installations and functions.

Shrink		2010-08-18 03:50:32 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Ghastly: my AK-M16-47 Katana launcher.

Luxury. We used to have kill 4000 terrorists every day with nothing but shoelace eyelets and a TV Guide. And that was before breakfast mess.

Now you're just being silly. Really? TV Guide?

Kyoki		2010-08-18 03:50:59 PM

"He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." - Leonardo da Vinci

A lot of these guys are using these claims of awards to get jobs, further awards and ceremony and other items/honorariums for personal benefit. It is fraud and worst of all, it allows people to claim something that's not theirs, money, work, honor, whatever. So it's theft to boot. Not all thievery is tangible.

A very wise AFSOC Major once said to me:

Certainly there are some [medals] that are awarded because of exceptional actions with no provocation. Generally, they are awarded because ordinary people do extraordinary things when the situation becomes dire. Also, most folks who have been in those situations would trade the medals, the accolades, all of it, for the event to never of happened.

Something to keep in mind folks.

OscarTamerz		2010-08-18 03:51:32 PM

thinks_on_feet:
I live near a guy who never claimed to be a medalist, but he did claim to be a covert operator, codename "Le Tigre," and said he had numerous missions in Central and South America, and once swam across the Amazon to escape drug dealers while in Brazil.

My friend, who was born in Brazil, has family in Brazil, but speaks perfect English, asked him where in Brazil (which State) when he swam the river, and he couldn't remember. She gave him three fake State names and he picked the middle one. Yeah, that's it.

He also didn't speak Spanish... said it was unimportant to his covert work.

As with this guy, military liars aren't that hard to spot once you ask a few pertinent questions.

Did your native born Brazilian girl friend speak Spanish? And just to sink that hook into my gullet right up to the last barb wouldn't it be El Tigre en espagnol or O Tigre when he was operating in Brazil where they speak farking Portuguese you dumbshiat? Good troll though.

jjorsett		2010-08-18 03:51:40 PM

Stoj: Can I lie to the FBI now about where I was at 4:30PM on June 28, 2003?

If you even talk to the feds these days, you're a fool. When you can be prosecuted if somebody else's version of events differs from yours, the safest course is to clam up entirely. I had a government agent call me doing a background check for a clearance on somebody I know. I refused to speak to him.

Theaetetus		2010-08-18 03:51:40 PM

BigNumber12: IXI Jim IXI: BigNumber12: And soldiers and veterans are free to beat the piss out of the guy when they catch him lying

Then they can see how far Don't Ask, Don't Tell gets them in jail.

I would look the other way, and I don't think I'm alone.

Excellent demonstration of the downside of jury nullification there - lynch mobs and vigilante "justice".

Theaetetus		2010-08-18 03:52:31 PM

Killer Cars		2010-08-18 03:52:39 PM

Long Haired FM Type: A fun thing I like to do sometimes when I'm bored is click on the comments tab of any random bullshiat story just to see how many posts it takes for some nimrod to type the words "Fox News".

This time the answer is "six posts" and the nimrod of the day is neglogon.

Often times it happens much more quickly, but it's ALWAYS the first page.

You guys. You're all so special.

I like going to concerts, hiking, sex, and other stuff myself. I find that to be a strange and somewhat depressing hobby, but, rock on.

TheShavingofOccam123		2010-08-18 03:53:53 PM

Shrink: TheShavingofOccam123: Ghastly: my AK-M16-47 Katana launcher.

Luxury. We used to have kill 4000 terrorists every day with nothing but shoelace eyelets and a TV Guide. And that was before breakfast mess.

Now you're just being silly. Really? TV Guide?

All right. It was one of those thick special anniversary editions.

Beeblebrox		2010-08-18 03:54:19 PM

I'd like this lying sack of shiat and the guy below to have a private meeting together...

i18.photobucket.com

Lando Lincoln		2010-08-18 03:54:22 PM

Dixie_Wrecked: Different country but weren't all farkers wanting him punished by the law?

Uh, no. Quite the opposite.

EdNortonsTwin		2010-08-18 03:54:50 PM

dragonchild: Diogenes: I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but can't we assume that that's the intention? Why else would you lie if not for some sort of gain, monetary or otherwise?

OK, I'll bite. Because civics either matters or it doesn't. I think I'm the only person left in this farking country who looks at legislation -- from universal healthcare to the Drug War to terrorism to abortion -- from the POV of scope of power as opposed to what I like.

No one likes liars. Even liars don't like liars; they like "suckers". Liars are bad. Lying, while sometimes necessary, is ideally about as pleasant as a eating dog shiat. The reason why lying is protected by the First Amendment is because the amount of power the government would need to assert to enforce such a law is unacceptably dangerous. If this law was upheld, hell, Halloween would become illegal. At best, it'd overload the already-overloaded legal system with petty charges; it's just not feasible legislation. Fraud has a higher standard where the plaintiff must demonstrate physical loss; it is the ability to demonstrate a loss that allows the government to decide on these cases without being granted the power to randomly throw people in jail. If you farked someone because they lied and regret it, don't get the government involved -- suck it up.

I hate liars, but some things just shouldn't be put into law because they can't be enforced with power short of full-blown tyranny. Disturbingly, an awful lot of wedge issues fall into this category, making me inherently suspicious of anyone who tries to legislate an action that doesn't harm anything that breathes air.

Not all exceptions to a rule are bad. This can be enforced without arresting kids in spiderman outfits as a result.

Prank Call of Cthulhu		2010-08-18 03:54:52 PM

It takes a real assbag to go around telling stories about his military participation that aren't true.

newsimg.bbc.co.uk

MacGabhain		2010-08-18 03:55:01 PM

ultraholland: Diogenes: doesn't that constitute some category, honor, privilege, etc. by the government?

Can the government grant you privileges?

Yes, that's why they're called "privileges", not "rights". I'm thinking most of us learned that in drivers' ed.

thinks_on_feet: I live near a guy who never claimed to be a medalist, but he did claim to be a covert operator, codename "Le Tigre," and said he had numerous missions in Central and South America, and once swam across the Amazon to escape drug dealers while in Brazil.

My friend, who was born in Brazil, has family in Brazil, but speaks perfect English, asked him where in Brazil (which State) when he swam the river, and he couldn't remember. She gave him three fake State names and he picked the middle one. Yeah, that's it.

He also didn't speak Spanish... said it was unimportant to his covert work.

As with this guy, military liars aren't that hard to spot once you ask a few pertinent questions.

He would have been more believable if he'd claimed that speaking Portuguese was unimportant to his covert work.

RussianPooper		2010-08-18 03:55:07 PM

Kyoki: A lot of these guys are using these claims of awards to get jobs, further awards and ceremony and other items/honorariums for personal benefit. It is fraud and worst of all, it allows people to claim something that's not theirs, money, work, honor, whatever. So it's theft to boot. Not all thievery is tangible.

Fraud is already against the law, this law goes beyond that. Do you really want government in the business of prosecuting people for "Theft of honor"?

Guerito		2010-08-18 03:55:12 PM

thinks_on_feet:
He also didn't speak Spanish... said it was unimportant to his covert work.

At least this part he got correct, since (as I'm sure you are aware) they don't speak Spanish in Brazil.

VictorOfBorge		2010-08-18 03:55:15 PM

RussianPooper: Cue outrage similar to the opposition about the Mosque in Lower Manhattan, just in regards to free speech this time. The small government folk really love big government when it comes to enforcing things that piss them off, regardless of the acts being constitutionally protected.

Oh, I wonder if the courts would just take such a "hands off" approach when the lying sacks of after-birth get the unholy shiat beaten out of them by people who've been in combat and actually respect the sacrifice the MOH represents?

You may have a "Constitutionally Protected" right to say something, but you also need to have the "nads" to take responsibility for it as well. Too many people are all about their rights and don't give a flying-flip about the responsibility side. For society to function, you need both.

roughridersfan		2010-08-18 03:55:28 PM

I wish FLYNAVY was here to set us straight.

Theaetetus		2010-08-18 03:57:01 PM

I wonder how many of the people who think that it should be against the law to "dishonor service members" also think that Dr. Laura's right to free speech was infringed when people got mad at her for repeatedly using the n-word on the air... I mean, are you in favor of the government protecting people from getting upset or aren't you?

BigNumber12		2010-08-18 03:57:14 PM

Theaetetus: BigNumber12: IXI Jim IXI: BigNumber12: And soldiers and veterans are free to beat the piss out of the guy when they catch him lying

Then they can see how far Don't Ask, Don't Tell gets them in jail.

I would look the other way, and I don't think I'm alone.

Excellent demonstration of the downside of jury nullification there - lynch mobs and vigilante "justice".

When dealing with humans, it's advisable to realize that human nature will frequently come into play. Stick your head in the sand all you want, pretend we're more enlightened than this sort of thing, but the simple fact of the matter is that actions can generate many kinds of consequences, and natural consequences are just as real as legal ones. Everyone has a breaking point, something that will push them over the edge into irrational reaction. And pissing a soldier off is more likely than average to earn you a facefull of knuckles.

pxsteel		2010-08-18 03:57:17 PM

Looks like the ninth circus will get overturned.....again. The most overturned court is such a joke.

Fark_Guy_Rob		2010-08-18 03:57:24 PM

EdNortonsTwin: dragonchild: Diogenes: I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but can't we assume that that's the intention? Why else would you lie if not for some sort of gain, monetary or otherwise?

OK, I'll bite. Because civics either matters or it doesn't. I think I'm the only person left in this farking country who looks at legislation -- from universal healthcare to the Drug War to terrorism to abortion -- from the POV of scope of power as opposed to what I like.

No one likes liars. Even liars don't like liars; they like "suckers". Liars are bad. Lying, while sometimes necessary, is ideally about as pleasant as a eating dog shiat. The reason why lying is protected by the First Amendment is because the amount of power the government would need to assert to enforce such a law is unacceptably dangerous. If this law was upheld, hell, Halloween would become illegal. At best, it'd overload the already-overloaded legal system with petty charges; it's just not feasible legislation. Fraud has a higher standard where the plaintiff must demonstrate physical loss; it is the ability to demonstrate a loss that allows the government to decide on these cases without being granted the power to randomly throw people in jail. If you farked someone because they lied and regret it, don't get the government involved -- suck it up.

I hate liars, but some things just shouldn't be put into law because they can't be enforced with power short of full-blown tyranny. Disturbingly, an awful lot of wedge issues fall into this category, making me inherently suspicious of anyone who tries to legislate an action that doesn't harm anything that breathes air.

Not all exceptions to a rule are bad. This can be enforced without arresting kids in spiderman outfits as a result.

Why on Earth would you select this one tiny subset of things people can lie about?

LaraAmber		2010-08-18 03:57:36 PM

OscarTamerz: thinks_on_feet:
I live near a guy who never claimed to be a medalist, but he did claim to be a covert operator, codename "Le Tigre," and said he had numerous missions in Central and South America, and once swam across the Amazon to escape drug dealers while in Brazil.

My friend, who was born in Brazil, has family in Brazil, but speaks perfect English, asked him where in Brazil (which State) when he swam the river, and he couldn't remember. She gave him three fake State names and he picked the middle one. Yeah, that's it.

He also didn't speak Spanish... said it was unimportant to his covert work.

As with this guy, military liars aren't that hard to spot once you ask a few pertinent questions.

Did your native born Brazilian girl friend speak Spanish? And just to sink that hook into my gullet right up to the last barb wouldn't it be El Tigre en espagnol or O Tigre when he was operating in Brazil where they speak farking Portuguese you dumbshiat? Good troll though.

Brazil was only part of the story.

Lando Lincoln		2010-08-18 03:57:52 PM

JoeJitsu: So it's okay to lie about your prior achievements? Politicians everywhere celebrate the first amendment.

We're not talking about if it's "okay." We're talking about what is criminal and what is not.

Captain Darling		2010-08-18 03:58:01 PM

There is more than one component to strict scrutiny. One of them is that a restriction on free speech must be really necessary, not just sorta kinda nice to have. If you don't meet that standard, no law for you. This is not an endorsement of lying douchebags.

howdyyall9999		2010-08-18 03:58:12 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: It takes a real assbag to go around telling stories about his military participation that aren't true.

Wow, John Kerry hasn't aged well at all.

EdNortonsTwin		2010-08-18 03:58:25 PM

medius		2010-08-18 03:58:35 PM

MasterThief: Marine Core veterans everywhere rejoice.

Semper High Five!

Beeblebrox		2010-08-18 03:58:46 PM

Kyoki: "He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." - Leonardo da Vinci

A lot of these guys are using these claims of awards to get jobs, further awards and ceremony and other items/honorariums for personal benefit. It is fraud and worst of all, it allows people to claim something that's not theirs, money, work, honor, whatever. So it's theft to boot. Not all thievery is tangible.

A very wise AFSOC Major once said to me:

Certainly there are some [medals] that are awarded because of exceptional actions with no provocation. Generally, they are awarded because ordinary people do extraordinary things when the situation becomes dire. Also, most folks who have been in those situations would trade the medals, the accolades, all of it, for the event to never of happened.

Something to keep in mind folks.

I've known personally two Silver Star recipients. The only reason I knew about the first one was because he was disabled (legs were wounded pretty badly during the fire fight that got him the medal). The second only talked about it because he felt he didn't deserve it. Both were proud of their medals but never bragged about them.

Long Haired FM Type		2010-08-18 03:59:02 PM

Killer Cars: Long Haired FM Type: A fun thing I like to do sometimes when I'm bored is click on the comments tab of any random bullshiat story just to see how many posts it takes for some nimrod to type the words "Fox News".

This time the answer is "six posts" and the nimrod of the day is neglogon.

Often times it happens much more quickly, but it's ALWAYS the first page.

You guys. You're all so special.

I like going to concerts, hiking, sex, and other stuff myself. I find that to be a strange and somewhat depressing hobby, but, rock on.

Why do I get the nagging hunch that if I were to tag along on one of those super cool hiking trips of yours that sooner or later the conversation would swing around to "those lying bastards on Fox News"?

"Hey dude! Killer Dave Matthews Band set, huh? Here, take a toke."

"No thanks."

"Huh? What are you? A Fox News watcher?"

"Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha."

"Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha"

"Want to poke me in the no-go later?"

Theaetetus		2010-08-18 03:59:48 PM

VictorOfBorge: You may have a "Constitutionally Protected" right to say something, but you also need to have the "nads" to take responsibility for it as well.

And if you're going to dish out what you consider "responsibility", then you need to have the "nads" to face being stripped of your medals and sent off to prison for the next 10 to 20 years.

IXI Jim IXI		2010-08-18 04:00:28 PM

BigNumber12: When dealing with humans, it's advisable to realize that human nature will frequently come into play. Stick your head in the sand all you want, pretend we're more enlightened than this sort of thing, but the simple fact of the matter is that actions can generate many kinds of consequences,

Like being handcuffed and becoming someone's biatch, for instance...

It Smee		2010-08-18 04:00:29 PM

roughridersfan: I wish FLYNAVY was here to set us straight.

That was the best.

Talon		2010-08-18 04:00:55 PM

Lando Lincoln: Well, I don't know about that. People lie on their resumes for monetary gain, and yet, if they are caught in those lies, are charges of fraud brought against them?

Talon: raud has its own legal definition that embodies a whole hell of a lot more than telling a lie.

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