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2010-08-17 10:04:19 AM  
dforkus: Joce678: dforkus:
But, religous charities have fed more people, taught more people to read, gave more people free medical care than all those groups combined X 10..

Citation needed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Vincent_de_Paul_Society

Start there, and then keep going


Couldn't be because they are trying to recruit to their cause... could it????
 
2010-08-17 10:05:02 AM  
gshepnyc: Outrageous. I'd have ranked prostitutes much higher than evangelicals. At least prostitutes are selling is real.

I see what you did there.

/+1
 
2010-08-17 10:07:59 AM  
SouthernManDunWrong: I would imagine that if you polled atheist homosexual democrats, you would get the same results.

Me? I put politicians at the bottom just above trashy used car salesmen and the lying liberal media whores.


I would like to subscribe to your newsletter but, only if it includes "how to" articles on the demise of said liberal media whores. Or the trashy used car salesmen.
 
2010-08-17 10:08:34 AM  
Having not read the comments, I would just like to say that many christians would rate evangelicals way down on the list, too.

Christian does not equal evangelical.
 
2010-08-17 10:12:08 AM  
I'd love to see the opposite report; what evangelicals rank people/religions.
 
2010-08-17 10:16:48 AM  
ignite ice: mechafenris: I don't see a problem with a creator who uses the laws of the universe to his own ends. It's up to each one of us to choose where we stand. That's all we can do. Well, that and enjoy yourself, and try to make the world a better place than you found it. That is the essence of God.

This is what trips up a lot of atheists, because they don't see Christianity as being compatible with evolution. Atheists tend to put all Christians into one category: those who believe in evolution and those who believe in a literal seven day creation. They relentlessly judge Christians for this even though they don't know the first thing about their individual convictions and beliefs. Not every Christian is so out of the scientific loop that they don't know about micro and macro evolution. But yeah, we can't know if God is there. That's why it's called faith though. If God gave you ultimate evidence of his existence, there would be no walk of faith, and that's what Jesus is all about: following him to the ends of the earth.


I tend to put them in 3 catagories or a combination of catagories.

1) Willfully Ignorant
2) Intellectually Lazy
3) Just Plain Stupid


:)
 
2010-08-17 10:20:54 AM  
brandied: Christian does not equal evangelical.

Then you aren't following your bible very well. :(
 
2010-08-17 10:26:56 AM  
gameshowhost: While evangelical women make up at least 3.5% of the population (half of 7%), they make up about 20% of the women who get abortions.[11]

Color me whatever color the color of not being surprised is supposed to be colored.


That's racist!
 
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2010-08-17 10:31:44 AM  
Prostitutes would probably come in 5th on that list for me. Born Agains, Evalangicals, Lawyers, Republicans, Democarts are all worse.
 
2010-08-17 10:32:22 AM  
kukukupo: I'd love to see the opposite report; what evangelicals rank people/religions.

Lol. Evangelicals hate everyone!

Oh wait, I mean they hate the sin, love the sinner.

/*cough* *cough* *bullshiat* *cough*
 
2010-08-17 10:32:41 AM  
humans = fail

just as well we're going the way of the dodo and for the same reason

just fail
 
2010-08-17 10:36:09 AM  
crazyeddie
Then you aren't following your bible very well. :(

Depends on how you define evangelical. Phelps is "evangelical" but he is not (in my view) christian. Someone who reflects God's spirit of love, rather than preaching about hell and damnation, are (in my view) more effective at affecting others.
 
2010-08-17 10:37:19 AM  
Is dammit, IS!

My own grammar nazi.
 
2010-08-17 10:38:28 AM  
Hey guess what? This article, study and thread are total bupkis.
 
2010-08-17 10:39:28 AM  
Prostitutes are getting a bad rap. They provide a legitimate service, evangelicals, not so much.
 
2010-08-17 10:43:34 AM  
ignite ice: So this study asked a bunch of atheists what they think about non-atheists, and the atheists ranked evangelicals ridiculously lower than others? I am shocked, absolutely shocked, that atheists would have it out for evangelicals, or anyone with beliefs that differ from them. If this study was reversed, you'd see atheists up in arms if Christians rated atheists as disrespectful. But they wouldn't -- and that's the difference between atheists and Christians: one has morals, the other lacks them.

I'm an atheist and I give back to my community and I help people.

I bet I have more morals than you do.
 
2010-08-17 10:44:20 AM  
prostitutes sell themselves for money

evangelicals sell everyone else out for money

Fail

Fail and more Fail

USA should = field of glass

Fail
 
2010-08-17 10:46:04 AM  
I wonder why anyone hasn't made fun of his username yet.

'ignite ice'? LOL, chemistry fail.
 
2010-08-17 10:46:13 AM  
dforkus: Right, because the Red Cross are nothing but a group of hardcore atheists. Funny that my ex-next door neighbor was a regional director until he retired and also was one of the most hard-core ultra-catholics I've ever met

So? That doesn't make them a religious organization.

Here's the Red Cross mission statement

If I had to hazard a guess about the Red Cross's religious agenda based on that page I'd be thinking "none".

Here's the matching Catholic Charities page

It's got a religious symbol at the top, it starts with: "Believing in the presence of God in our midst...", the people on the board of trustees page wear dog collars and a lot of the trustees have Irish names.

Me? I'm betting they start handing out Bibles and rounding people up to sing hymns as soon as they arrive anywhere.
 
2010-08-17 10:48:57 AM  
Joce678: dforkus: Right, because the Red Cross are nothing but a group of hardcore atheists. Funny that my ex-next door neighbor was a regional director until he retired and also was one of the most hard-core ultra-catholics I've ever met

So? That doesn't make them a religious organization.

Here's the Red Cross mission statement

If I had to hazard a guess about the Red Cross's religious agenda based on that page I'd be thinking "none".

Here's the matching Catholic Charities page

It's got a religious symbol at the top, it starts with: "Believing in the presence of God in our midst...", the people on the board of trustees page wear dog collars and a lot of the trustees have Irish names.

Me? I'm betting they start handing out Bibles and rounding people up to sing hymns as soon as they arrive anywhere.


What the fark is the deal about Micks and catlicker-ism?
 
2010-08-17 10:49:09 AM  
Get Neil deGrasse Tyson on the phone; he'll tell ya! God ain't shiat and your momma car ain't neither.
 
2010-08-17 10:50:41 AM  
"ultra-catholic"

That's my word for the day
 
2010-08-17 10:52:11 AM  
"Adding together the data from pollsters, evangelical researchers and Pope Benedict XVI, it's not a stretch to say the Spirit - the spirit of life and the truth that can make you more free - has settled in the land of atheists, nonbelievers, and church alumni."

That sounds... oddly appropriate, actually.
 
2010-08-17 10:55:54 AM  
Evangelicals in the news ... making Farkers feel good about themselves since whenever it was that Drew inventing Fark.
 
2010-08-17 10:56:00 AM  
ignite ice 2010-08-17 12:58:48 AM
austin_millbarge: It said nothing of the sort. They asked non-Christians. Not every non-Christian is an atheist.

An atheist is someone who denies the existence of God. You can't be a non-Christian and not be an atheist. The two terms co-exist. Someone who denies the existence of God is not a Christian and is therefore an atheist.

you just blew my mind with sarcasm or the dumb. I hope it's the former
 
2010-08-17 10:58:24 AM  
Fuller: ignite ice: How is church not productive? It's a community like any other community, but you instantly know that you can trust the people there.

Like hell you can. What makes you think church goers are more trustworthy than anyone else?


I find it very hard to trust anyone that asks me to give money to the poor (or for the church roof) whilst wearing a gold hat.
 
2010-08-17 11:03:35 AM  
SouthernManDunWrong: I would imagine that if you polled atheist homosexual democrats, you would get the same results.

Me? I put politicians at the bottom just above trashy used car salesmen and the lying liberal media whores.


I would like to see some examples of these lying liberal media whores, because, quite frankly I think you are FOS.

I'll tell you what, you list your specific examples of a liberal lying on the news, and I will list examples of some whackadoodles lying on the news. We'll compare and see whose list is longer.
 
2010-08-17 11:08:11 AM  
deciusmaximus: Because, as the University of Minnesota study says atheists are perceived, and rightly so, as self centered, amoral and generally a moral rot on the body politic.

You would think an associate professor of Philosophy would have a slightly more nuanced view. How's that internet lawsuit coming?
 
2010-08-17 11:09:12 AM  
I've noticed a lot of Christians don;t mind lumping themselves in with other Christian denominations when they want to claim a social majority ("Most people are Christians, so we should have prayer in school!").

But when it comes to being their brother's keeper, they like to pretend they have absolutely nothing in common with the other denominations, and that the other ones can't even be called by the same name.

And yet, so many of them seem to think Islam is a monolithic formal structure with no distinctions between subgroups.
 
2010-08-17 11:09:34 AM  
Funny how ignite ice only applies bizarro bible logic, which denies what the evidence suggests and is only consistent in that the arguments, while formally valid, are semantically and empirically completely false. The sophistry is strong in this one! (Then again, the more eloquent-sounding conservative Christians are masters of sophistry - arguments that are complex in structure but have no substance; that is, they are spouting falsehoods and just dressing it up with florid prose.)

From what I've seen of ignite ice's posts, if he's not a troll, I will bet he's a very closeted gay dude who's in one of the more culty denominations of his religion and has simply been surrounded by this his entire life so far.
 
2010-08-17 11:12:33 AM  
Epicedion: deciusmaximus: Because, as the University of Minnesota study says atheists are perceived, and rightly so, as self centered, amoral and generally a moral rot on the body politic.

You would think an associate professor of Philosophy would have a slightly more nuanced view. How's that internet lawsuit coming?


I'm almost tempted to ask if this dude is at one of the many ridiculous Christian 'universities'.

Also, most philosophers or philosophy majors I've ever met have had only a tenuous connection to reality; it's funny when they merely try to logic their way out of a problem rather than actually looking at evidence (e.g. philosophical zombies and other ridiculous forms of dualism - David Chalmers needs to lose his job, and quick)
 
2010-08-17 11:16:23 AM  
Von Wex: inb4 "Help! We are being oppressed!"

I love how you like to spew stuff like that as though being in the majority in America means anything anymore. A majority of voters in California were over turned by a minority group and a single judge for that matter.

Your points are invalid.

Also, i saw a comment on that site that Ill leave here:

"Why is it that most people who are glad to see religion hurt, always seem angry? I'm not trying to be controversal. I would actually like to understand your reasoning and your, from my view, hostility towards people with faith."
 
2010-08-17 11:18:34 AM  
1nsanilicious: "I love how you like to spew stuff like that as though being in the majority in America means anything anymore. A majority of voters in California were over turned by a minority group and a single judge for that matter."

Because we have a Constitution. Would you suggest that we violate it?

1nsanilicious: "Why is it that most people who are glad to see religion hurt, always seem angry? I'm not trying to be controversal. I would actually like to understand your reasoning and your, from my view, hostility towards people with faith."

We value reason, and consequently, the popularization of unreason frustrates and worries us.
 
2010-08-17 11:22:34 AM  
Now do the same poll with Jews and Muslims. Or Democrats and Republicans. Or Duke fans and all other fans.

Hmm. Groups with opposing ideas/beliefs tend to not like each other. What a revelation.
 
2010-08-17 11:23:16 AM  
deciusmaximus: Atheists Most DISTRUSTED Group in America

Atheists Most HATED minority in America

Atheists are the most DISCRIMINATED AGAINST minority in America

Atheists are the real pariahs in this country. People who would not dream of discriminating against an African American, a Jew or a female in the workplace will blatantly discriminate against an atheist. Why? Because, as the University of Minnesota study says atheists are perceived, and rightly so, as self centered, amoral and generally a moral rot on the body politic.

Atheists foster mistrust and fear wherever they go. They do not build. They tear down. No atheist hospitals, orphanages or outreach centers. Instead, lawsuits to remove crosses from the graves of service men and women, lawsuits to prevent teachers from saying "bless you" when a child sneezes and the like.


This is so over-the-top-absurd that I have to ask: what's your angle?

And what evidence do you have to show that atheists are any less moral, proportionally, than theists?
 
2010-08-17 11:24:00 AM  
jmr61: Wait, there's a difference between christ and god?

Isn't that the same thing?

Serious.

/never been in a church except for a couple funerals and weddings.


Religion = Superstition + $$$$$
All you need to know.
 
2010-08-17 11:26:33 AM  
Somehow I'm not surprised.
FTFA
"Born-again Christians"
There's your problem right there. Anyone who has described themselves as 'Born-again' is most likely among those people who get religion to suit their own purposes. Whether this is to fit into a community, or to ease guilt about the many many major screw-ups they continue to engage in. Then come sunday all you have to do is confess to babby jeebus, and you can go home and continue to fark up your family guilt-free. Why improve yourself when Jeebus can take away all your sins and you never have to work on self-improvement?

/Christian
/I know I'm generalizing, but I grew up in the south. I'm using anecdotal evidence. Very unscientific bro.
 
2010-08-17 11:27:14 AM  
ignite ice: So this study asked a bunch of atheists what they think about non-atheists, and the atheists ranked evangelicals ridiculously lower than others? I am shocked, absolutely shocked, that atheists would have it out for evangelicals, or anyone with beliefs that differ from them. If this study was reversed, you'd see atheists up in arms if Christians rated atheists as disrespectful. But they wouldn't -- and that's the difference between atheists and Christians: one has morals, the other lacks them.

Which group has the morals?
Is behaving because you're scared of god being moral?
 
2010-08-17 11:27:59 AM  
neurobadger: ignite ice: So this study asked a bunch of atheists what they think about non-atheists, and the atheists ranked evangelicals ridiculously lower than others? I am shocked, absolutely shocked, that atheists would have it out for evangelicals, or anyone with beliefs that differ from them. If this study was reversed, you'd see atheists up in arms if Christians rated atheists as disrespectful. But they wouldn't -- and that's the difference between atheists and Christians: one has morals, the other lacks them.

I'm an atheist and I give back to my community and I help people.

I bet I have more morals than you do.


You sound like an immoral, gambling sinner.
 
2010-08-17 11:28:22 AM  
1nsanilicious: "Why is it that most people who are glad to see religion hurt, always seem angry? I'm not trying to be controversal. I would actually like to understand your reasoning and your, from my view, hostility towards people with faith."

Fact is this is an illusion that your mind makes up to shield you from the content of the discourse that challenges your assumptions.

The whole angry militant atheist thing is a myth constructed to try dismiss and discredit the atheist arguments and atheists are no more empassioned in the discussion than is any theist.
 
2010-08-17 11:31:01 AM  
Inflatable Rhetoric: Is behaving because you're scared of god being moral?

I'm on your side on this but... I can haz grammar? :)
 
2010-08-17 11:32:26 AM  
I could build an atheist hospital, in the same way the churches do it.
Send me, say, $100,000,000 and I'll spend $75,000,000 on a hospital.

How was the Vatican paid for, for example? See above.

Religion = Superstition + $$$$$
 
2010-08-17 11:33:22 AM  
I prefer prositutes
 
2010-08-17 11:33:42 AM  
Thorndyke Barnhard: Inflatable Rhetoric: Is behaving because you're scared of god being moral?

I'm on your side on this but... I can haz grammar? :)


Take all you need.
 
2010-08-17 11:37:20 AM  
Fubini: It is only when one abandons their life, their prejudices, and takes up the mantle of Jesus that a person or a church can be considered a true Christian in the sense of following the teachings of Jesus. Jesus never incited his followers to judge or to political action, he never shunned anyone or refused to meet a person at their level. He spent his life in the service of others and never forced anyone to do something they did not want to do. If someone professes to be a Christian but is not emulating any of these beliefs then you would be right in calling them out on their hypocrisy.

This is Christianity I can believe in.
 
2010-08-17 11:44:38 AM  
neurobadger: Funny how ignite ice only applies bizarro bible logic, which denies what the evidence suggests and is only consistent in that the arguments, while formally valid, are semantically and empirically completely false. The sophistry is strong in this one! (Then again, the more eloquent-sounding conservative Christians are masters of sophistry - arguments that are complex in structure but have no substance; that is, they are spouting falsehoods and just dressing it up with florid prose.)

From what I've seen of ignite ice's posts, if he's not a troll, I will bet he's a very closeted gay dude who's in one of the more culty denominations of his religion and has simply been surrounded by this his entire life so far.


Check his profile....

This guy is good.
 
2010-08-17 11:46:47 AM  
Renowned tranvestite sexologist

ninjakirby: Renowned transvestite sexologist: Rik01:
Evangelicals are the most opinionated and hateful folks I've ever run into -- aside from radical Muslims. I have not yet determined why anyone would want to join their ranks.

Are you intentionally being ironic here, or did you just call the kettle black without verifying the color of your own pot?

How is that calling the kettle black? Did he say something "most opinionated" (ie multiple opinions) which were hateful?

No?

I despise...I despise...

Combined with completely derogatory and generalized blank statements about a group that he claims is "opinionated and hateful".

If your going to argue for or against a way of looking at the world, make sure your consistent first.


Technically, I'm Methodist. I have my own way of believing in God which does not involve a church because I grew tired of the hypocrisy usually found in them along with the inevitable posturing for power positions.

Having looked at different forms of Christian worship, it eventually dawned on me that those with the biggest mouths, those with some of the strictest attitudes and those who DEMANDED you BELIEVE or else, caused the most problem in Christianity. (Amish are very strict, but they leave everyone else alone and don't go dancing around, convulsing, gibbering like idiots or shouting angrily from the pulpit.)

Evangelism is close to those rabble rousers who whip crowds into a frenzy or those who use religion to justify beating their wives and kids.

I'm satisfied with my belief system but I don't go shouting about it to everyone within ear shot, don't damn those who don't believe my way and don't generally annoy the krap out of folks over it.

I've also taken the time to look at and gain at least a layman's grasp of most of the worlds religions -- finding that the majority are essentially peaceful when broken down into their basic form.

The opinions I express are mine, developed over decades of experience. No one has to particularly like them.

I've seen far too often what happens when powers manage to whip populations into a frenzy using methods similar to Evangelism. (Hitler v/s the Jews. Chairman Mao. North Korea. McCarthy-ism. The Inquisition. The Crusades. Radical Islam.)

I don't like anyone DEMANDING that I live according to their beliefs. JMO.

As a kid, growing up, before computers, cable TV, tiny radios, CDs, DVDs and more than 4 television channels, I got hammered by Evangelists on radio and every other possible source of communication -- except the phone. Book burnings, record burnings, efforts at library censorship, efforts at educational censorship, political posturing and the inevitable corruption just turned me off concerning them.

Back then, the KKK used similar techniques in their anti-black movement.

As for Gospel music, I just hate it, like I hate Blue Grass Kuntry. It conjures up images of crowds of people in worn rooms, dressed in hot robes, sweating and stinking and swaying, clapping hands, eyes closed, 'singing' badly and almost in a trance.

But, this is my opinion.
 
2010-08-17 11:55:44 AM  
Wrong_Intentions: ignite ice: So this study asked a bunch of atheists what they think about non-atheists, and the atheists ranked evangelicals ridiculously lower than others? I am shocked, absolutely shocked, that atheists would have it out for evangelicals, or anyone with beliefs that differ from them. If this study was reversed, you'd see atheists up in arms if Christians rated atheists as disrespectful. But they wouldn't -- and that's the difference between atheists and Christians: one has morals, the other lacks them.

They sure do.


Yes, because the Westboro Church loonies are representative of ALL Christians.

Logical fallacy.
Try again.
 
2010-08-17 11:55:58 AM  
I think Ignite Ice may be the best troll since Whoopty Whoo The Precious Bongo Boy. Serious troll fu. He goes from religous wacko to redder than Marx in 0.2 threads.
 
2010-08-17 12:03:09 PM  
mcsestretch: Yes, because the Westboro Church loonies are representative of ALL Christians.

Logical fallacy.
Try again.



The statement was "[Christians] have morals, [atheists] lack them." Pointing out a Christian group that lacks morals is not a fallacy.

Your 'No True Scotsman', on the other hand?

Logical fallacy.
Try again.
 
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