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(Salon)   It turns out the mosque controversy was manufactured by a woman who once claimed Malcolm X was Obama's real father. No, seriously   (salon.com) divider line 254
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2010-08-16 04:36:19 PM  
www.loonwatch.com

Seriously, actual human beings follow and believe this derp?!
 
2010-08-16 04:36:39 PM  
uncletogie: Culture defines morality, and morality must be legislated to maintain stability in a country with a certain culture, like a culture that values human rights.

If morality must be legislated, then it's probably not part of the culture, is it?


Morality is nothing more than tribal customs.
 
2010-08-16 04:37:40 PM  
Wait a second!!! Malcolm X is KENYAN?!
 
2010-08-16 04:40:18 PM  
Sgt Otter: I'm curious what the hell she was trying to hide with Photoshop.

Looks almost like a five-o-clock shadow to me.

Horrible shoop.
 
2010-08-16 04:40:22 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend: MuadDib: Birther leanings, yes? Malcolm X-er, no.

Yeah. She just posted a blog post by someone who believed it and then scrubbed it from her site when the level of people pointing and laughing at her got too high.

(and she's not gonna actually say that she doesn't believe it. She's really just asking questions.)

UPDATE: The "Atlas says that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's love child" charge has gone viral among leftards and lizards. The only problem with it is that it is false. I am not the author of this post, and I posted it because the writer did a spectacular job documenting Obama's many connections with the Far Left. The Malcolm X claim is one minor part of this story, and was of interest to me principally as part of the writer's documentation that Stanley Ann Dunham could not have been where the Obama camp says she was at various times. I do not believe that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's love child, and never did -- but there remain many, many unanswered questions about his early life and upbringing.


Her words. Maybe you shouldn't white knight so hard for this lady. You're betting on a crippled mule in the Kentucky Derby.


She sounds dumb enough and repugnant enough, you don't have to completely screw up your characterization.
 
2010-08-16 04:42:35 PM  
give me doughnuts: uncletogie: Culture defines morality, and morality must be legislated to maintain stability in a country with a certain culture, like a culture that values human rights.

If morality must be legislated, then it's probably not part of the culture, is it?

Morality is nothing more than tribal customs.


Yeah, good thing for you morality is actually more than just a "tribal custom" at least among people who have a little more developed thought processes.

I mean, without it, there's absolutely nothing there to restrain me from using you for my own "scientific" human experimentation.
 
2010-08-16 04:45:23 PM  
acaciaavenue: I figured the controversy was started by a bunch of assh*les thinking they should put a mosque near the WTC site.

Seriously. They couldn't put it anywhere else? Those guys can EABOD.


They thought about it, but then they figured they'd rather have it in their own farking neighborhood.
 
2010-08-16 04:45:40 PM  
wademh: She sounds dumb enough and repugnant enough, you don't have to completely screw up your characterization.

It's the "but..." after her denial that kinda shreds the entire statement.

Also the fact that she posted it on her pages before she unposted it. Did she not believe it when she posted it? If not, then why'd she post it in the first place?

/trying to decide if I'm a leftard or a lizard
 
2010-08-16 04:47:00 PM  
As far as the Mosque at ground zero is concerned, you hypochristians need to get a grip on yourselves. Buy your own logic, not one single "christian" church should be erected anywhere in the United States, which serve to "glorify" the terrorism and systemic extermination of several Native American nations.
 
2010-08-16 04:50:09 PM  
Now That's What I Call a Taco! 2010-08-16 04:22:41 PM

doubled99: I simply think that the controversy is obvious, and not the result of the right wing dominated media inventing it.

How is it obvious when there's already a mosque that close to WTC? How is it obvious when Muslims have been going to that former Burlington Coat Factory to pray for years now?




Probably because no one knew about it.
I don't know where any mosques are for that matter. It just seems pretty obvious that when people heard "Hey, did you hear they want to build a mosque right at Ground Zero?", that a bunch of people would freak. You know, because a lot of people died there?

I make no attempt to say that they are right, or justified in their reaction. It just seems like a no-brainer that it would be controversial. It doesn't need any manufacturing.
 
2010-08-16 04:52:20 PM  
On a completely unrelated note (but related to the headline), why the hell do so many people spell it Malcom? It's like the "Ghandi" folks, or even worse the "al-Queda" or "al-Quaeda" type. I mean, seriously. I read that, and my opinion of your opinion goes down like ten notches. They're not hard words to spell. Jesus.

Alright, I'll stop being such a douchebag spelling Nazi now.
 
2010-08-16 04:52:36 PM  
doubled99: It just seems pretty obvious that when people heard "Hey, did you hear they want to build a mosque right at Ground Zero?", that a bunch of people would freak. You know, because a lot of people died there?

Then it's settled, no religious houses of worship are to be built on locations where lots of people died.
 
2010-08-16 04:52:37 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

They want to build a mosque here?
 
2010-08-16 04:52:59 PM  
doubled99: . It just seems pretty obvious that when people heard "Hey, did you hear they want to build a mosque right at Ground Zero?", that a bunch of people would freak.

Two blocks is "right at"?
 
2010-08-16 04:55:32 PM  
LavenderWolf: You know, it's going to be a hell of a news ride when some wingnut decides to bomb this mosque.

/Somehow think this is inevitable.


What's the latest line in Vegas?
Last I heard:
Southern Baptist: 6:1
Jewish: 4:1
Muslim: 5:1
Neofascist UltraTard Assblaster (unaffiliated): 2:1
Catholic: 8:1
Episcopalian: 18:1
Atheist: 20:1
I hear Buddhist monk is a good long-shot @ 42:1
 
2010-08-16 04:56:54 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend: MuadDib: I Googled to find out what it was about and found that in about 1 min. I guess there's no sense letting facts get in the way of that famous liberal bias reality has (a phrase that makes more sense every time one of these things pops up).

So she didn't put the "Malcolm is Obama's father" post on her page? Oh. She did.

And she didn't scrub it from her page when the mockery from the "lizards" grew too great, while all the while praising the author's work? Oh. She did.

And she didn't post a half-hearted "I don't really believe this BUT...." explanation? Oh. She did.

If you choose to call that "never said it / never believed it / never posted it" then feel free. Anyone can read her own words and make that determination for themselves.


MuadDib's saying that she's a true believer birther, but she's not a true believer 'Malcolm is the real father'er. That's it. Doesn't matter that she put up someone else's blog, or that she scrubbed it later. MuadDib is saying she believes one thing and not the other. Why are certain people so insistent on misinterpreting MuadDib's post? Don't be that person, dude.
 
2010-08-16 04:57:26 PM  
I see no possible way that people would have had a problem with this if the crazy lady was not involved.
 
2010-08-16 04:59:02 PM  
uncletogie: Bullsh*t. It's called "professional sports", and how would you like to bet that they don't get special treatment?

Right... I was mostly referring to killing people to gain social status. And sports professionals, while well paid, are nothing more than actors and opium for the masses. They hold no power (other than the power to buy murdered out SUV's)

Sure, if you discount the fact that western nations did just that until a little less than 100 years ago. Was it moral then?

Yea, back then it was moral. As morality was understood for their societies. Our morality evolved and when the majority of the population approved of it, women were guaranteed rights too.

If morality must be legislated, then it's probably not part of the culture, is it?

It is, because the people in the culture would demand it be legislated. Imagine the uproar if it was legal to take people's belongings while they were on vacation. Our culture values private property, therefore it must be legislated and protected.

Example: In German culture, a beer with your meal is a staple. Here in the states, MADD would have a problem with that. Is there a need to mandate beer-drinking, or will the culture handle itself?

Morality legislation almost invariably represents the needs of the rulers, not of the people.


Nonsense, even in your example you provide proof that culture defines what is legislate-able in a society. If the culture does not mostly endorse a morality beforehand, it cannot be successfully legislated.
 
2010-08-16 04:59:23 PM  
Just to get a feel for out farking crazy some of these Palinites. Someone I know sent me a story telling people to demand an answer from all political candidates where they stand on Sharia law.

Seriously. WTF.
This seems to be the GOP's hail Mary wedge issue. It is doing a nice job of outing the total idiots in society though.
 
2010-08-16 05:00:27 PM  
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: How is it obvious when there's already a mosque that close to WTC? How is it obvious when Muslims have been going to that former Burlington Coat Factory to pray for years now?

I wonder how long it will be before some confused protestors show up with signs outside of Burlington Coat Factories all around the country?
 
2010-08-16 05:00:56 PM  
GAT_00:
As a side note, in double checking that Malcolm X was born in America before I stuck my foot in my mouth, I saw that he was born in Nebraska of all places. Something pretty funny about that.


You had to double check on the birthplace of one of the biggest names in American Civil Rights history?? Really? the man only put the most fear of god into folks who thought even Dr. King was too radical.

How old are you, GAT? I'm genuinely curious. Also, were you born in the States? I may have missplaced your nationality all this time.
 
2010-08-16 05:01:18 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend: wademh: She sounds dumb enough and repugnant enough, you don't have to completely screw up your characterization.

It's the "but..." after her denial that kinda shreds the entire statement.

Also the fact that she posted it on her pages before she unposted it. Did she not believe it when she posted it? If not, then why'd she post it in the first place?

/trying to decide if I'm a leftard or a lizard

(and she's not gonna actually say that she doesn't believe it. She's really just asking questions.)

UPDATE: ... I do not believe that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's love child, and never did -- but there remain many, many unanswered questions about his early life and upbringing.


The key words are embiggened and embolded.
I recommend against claiming 'she's not gonna say X' followed by a quote of said she saying X. It tends to make one look foolish, not the one you are calling a fool.

Further, as the claim is about his paternity, the but regarding his early life doesn't erode her denial as you now claim. Apparently, she is worried about some equally non-relevant things, likely the whole educated in a Madras bit.

I agree, she's a kook. If she didn't believe it, her posting the inflammatory nonsense would harm her reputation except it already is too low to be measured. But if you screw up when defaming a kook you actually help them out, so please, be more careful next time.
 
2010-08-16 05:01:49 PM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2010-08-16 05:02:56 PM  
Not Available: Pamela Geller?

IIRC, she has a tremendous rack. That being said, we should also note that she is (1) Jewish and (2) a ardent supporter of Holocaust deniers, anti-Semites and fascists, because they hate Muslims as much as she does.

Linky (^)

The woman is batshiat.


So's Orly. Dun dun dun.............. conspiracy?
 
2010-08-16 05:04:15 PM  
Bohemian:
This seems to be the GOP's hail Mary wedge issue. It is doing a nice job of outing the total idiots in society though.


The dark cloud behind that silver lining is that 70% of Americans are total idiots.
 
2010-08-16 05:05:14 PM  
Oh_Enough_Already: Here's some info into the character of the guy behind Cordoba House:

Does this pass for actual information on whatever right wing blog it came from?
 
2010-08-16 05:09:48 PM  
BigTuna 2010-08-16 04:52:36 PM

doubled99: It just seems pretty obvious that when people heard "Hey, did you hear they want to build a mosque right at Ground Zero?", that a bunch of people would freak. You know, because a lot of people died there?

Then it's settled, no religious houses of worship are to be built on locations where lots of people died.




I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't read my earlier post where I clearly state I believe they have every right to have the mosque there. Freedom means having to deal with people and opinions you don't like.

This story is about the controversy being manufactured by the "right wing media machine".
That is the only thing I feel is ludicrous.
 
2010-08-16 05:10:17 PM  
You know, I'm honestly starting to think terrorists have somehow managed to poison the majority of the US water supply with some kind of drug that makes you goddamn stupid.

And no, that's not specifically directed at Billco, but I can see why you'd ask.
 
2010-08-16 05:13:51 PM  
"(please somebody find a verse ANYWHERE in the bible that could even remotely apply to why people are calling this building 'morally wrong')"

Not going to happen since Islam was founded hundreds of years after the Bible was written. I don't get how a group exercizing their freedom of religion in an American city can be "morally wrong".

There is a verse (I Corinthians) that says that Christians are not to "judge those outside the church". Take care of your own house, people.
 
2010-08-16 05:14:17 PM  
TheTeethoftheTiger: Nonsense, even in your example you provide proof that culture defines what is legislate-able in a society. If the culture does not mostly endorse a morality beforehand, it cannot be successfully legislated.

Fine. Explain the public perception of RIAA. The legislation favoring them is "moral", by your definition, since it was passed into law.

Jus' because something's been codified does NOT make it moral.

Another example: Clinton got a blowjob in office, but faced no legal charges over the blowjob itself. Was what he did moral?
 
2010-08-16 05:14:47 PM  
doubled99
I don't know where any mosques are for that matter. It just seems pretty obvious that when people heard "Hey, did you hear they want to build a mosque right at Ground Zero?", that a bunch of people would freak. You know, because a lot of people died there?

Well, for starters, saying the planned community center is "at Ground Zero" is a deliberate distortion. It's two blocks away. Referring to the entire planned 13 story building as a mosque is also a deliberate distortion. It will be a community center that will include a mosque and many other things.
 
2010-08-16 05:14:51 PM  
give me doughnuts: Not Available: Pamela Geller?

IIRC, she has a tremendous rack. That being said, we should also note that she is (1) Jewish and (2) a ardent supporter of Holocaust deniers, anti-Semites and fascists, because they hate Muslims as much as she does.

Linky (^)

The woman is batshiat.

You'll link to Charles Johnson, and then call another blogger crazy?

Take it away, Alanis!


The link is by no means an endorsement of him. For whatever reason, he had a pissing match with her, and had the most comprehensive coverage of her fraternizing with the latter-day Nazis in Europe.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Not Available: Pamela Geller?

IIRC, she has a tremendous rack. That being said, we should also note that she is (1) Jewish and (2) a ardent supporter of Holocaust deniers, anti-Semites and fascists, because they hate Muslims as much as she does.

Linky (^)

The woman is batshiat.

So's Orly. Dun dun dun.............. conspiracy?


Only if Orly is traveling to Europe to fraternize with Holocaust deniers.
 
2010-08-16 05:14:52 PM  
Oh_Enough_Already: Does that answer your question?

Not nearly as much as the opening line of your previous post. So you want me to fact check the unsubstantiated opinions of notorious right wingers? I don't think you understand how facts work.
 
2010-08-16 05:16:35 PM  
Big Tuna: Does this pass for actual information on whatever right wing blog it came from?

I googled the first 10 words of the first sentence and it went to some forum.hannity.com site.
 
2010-08-16 05:18:39 PM  
jakomo002: Big Tuna: Does this pass for actual information on whatever right wing blog it came from?

I googled the first 10 words of the first sentence and it went to some forum.hannity.com site.


Thanks, I knew that kind of manipulative opinion-as-fact writing had to come from one of those derp sites.
 
2010-08-16 05:20:08 PM  
jakomo002: You know, I'm honestly starting to think terrorists have somehow managed to poison the majority of the US water supply with some kind of drug that makes you goddamn stupid.

And no, that's not specifically directed at Billco, but I can see why you'd ask.


It's so nice to think that people who disagree with you are stupid but it's rather limiting. You might consider that it's more a case of people seldom being rational. Add to that that people are fundamentally tribal and prone to an us versus them mentality. The key then, if to define a them more towards your ends. In this case, defining them as fascist mouthbreathers who would dictate who can and can't worship what where. Well, it works for me anyway.
 
2010-08-16 05:21:52 PM  
VictorOfBorge: give me doughnuts: uncletogie: Culture defines morality, and morality must be legislated to maintain stability in a country with a certain culture, like a culture that values human rights.

If morality must be legislated, then it's probably not part of the culture, is it?

Morality is nothing more than tribal customs.

Yeah, good thing for you morality is actually more than just a "tribal custom" at least among people who have a little more developed thought processes.

I mean, without it, there's absolutely nothing there to restrain me from using you for my own "scientific" human experimentation.


You really are an idiot, and say that with all the respect you deserve.
All codified systems of laws, all systems of ethics arose from nothing more than the customs and practices of tribes of early man.
 
2010-08-16 05:23:10 PM  
Won't someone please think of the Burlington Coat Factory?
 
2010-08-16 05:24:11 PM  
doubled99: I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't read my earlier post where I clearly state I believe they have every right to have the mosque there.

I did not, sorry. I guess I'm touchy about this issue lately because I'm finding that a lot of people I know and respect are on the wrong side of it IMO.
 
2010-08-16 05:25:15 PM  
TheShavingofOccam123: If 70 percent of Americans oppose the building of this mosque, then, respectfully, 70 percent of Americans are wrong.

If you want to honor the dead, don't build a skyscraper on top of their remains. Make it a formal cemetery and memorial.


The Starbucks in the food court of the Freedom Tower will brew its coffee with holy water.
 
2010-08-16 05:26:07 PM  
Sgt Otter: I'm curious what the hell she was trying to hide with Photoshop.

...her nose?
...the fact that she's an alien from Planet X?
...the fact that she's one quarter quarter horse?
 
2010-08-16 05:26:07 PM  
mojo_the_helper_monkey: Well that just won't do. If Malcom X was his real father, then he's DEFINATELY a US citizen Link (new window).

Came for the Malcom X can't be the baby daddy because the birther's would be wrong. Very happy that it was the Weeners.
 
2010-08-16 05:28:36 PM  
clevershark: Mind you, another fairly-well-kept secret is that many New Yorkers hated the WTC until the planes hit.

I guess, if by that you mean "thought they were ugly back in the 1970s, but had generally come to appreciate their iconic contribution to the skyline by the late 1990s."
 
2010-08-16 05:28:45 PM  
I don't care about the article ... tl. I think the mosque should be built near the sacred ground zero. These people are Americans too. This is just another example of white rule trying to control people they do not understand or respect. Build the mosque.
 
2010-08-16 05:29:00 PM  
MuadDib: Sadly, not true. (^)

Birther leanings, yes? Malcolm X-er, no.


So, why exactly does she keep the Malcom X claim on the same page with something she wrote, without denoting the change in authorship?

"I do not believe that Barack Obama is Malcolm X's love child, and never did," while she leaves that claim on the same page.

Disavow...but keep it out there.
 
2010-08-16 05:29:19 PM  
jakomo002
I googled the first 10 words of the first sentence and it went to some forum.hannity.com site.

Much of his post is lifted directly from the "criticism" section of the Wikipedia entry for Feisal Abdul Rauf (new window).
 
2010-08-16 05:32:18 PM  
It may all turn out to be a moot point since that ownership of the land in question is tied up with Con-Ed.
 
2010-08-16 05:34:54 PM  
And elsewhere, people who have risked their lives to get into this country are being drugged and raped. If there were any justice, Pamela be in Maria's hell and Maria would be a fellow American.

Maybe, with a little luck, this might still come about. After all, with as fine an agency in DHS as could ever be wanted and knowing that mistakes have happened in the past...
 
2010-08-16 05:34:55 PM  
Bullroarer_Took: LavenderWolf: You know, it's going to be a hell of a news ride when some wingnut decides to bomb this mosque.

/Somehow think this is inevitable.

What's the latest line in Vegas?
Last I heard:
Southern Baptist: 6:1
Jewish: 4:1
Muslim: 5:1
Neofascist UltraTard Assblaster (unaffiliated): 2:1
Catholic: 8:1
Episcopalian: 18:1
Atheist: 20:1
I hear Buddhist monk is a good long-shot @ 42:1


I'll take 1000 simoleons on Southern Baptist and 500 on the unaffiliated Neofascist Ultratard Assblaster McGoo Ten Thousand.

Even odds on making most of my money back, and the payoff if it's the Southern Baptists would be immense. I've got a good feeling about those Southern Baptists, you know. They've got a lot of spunk.
 
2010-08-16 05:35:00 PM  
HelenKellersFingers: I don't care about the article ... tl. I think the mosque should be built near the sacred ground zero. These people are Americans too. This is just another example of white rule trying to control people they do not understand or respect. Build the mosque.

Everyone opposing the mosque is white?

Huh.
 
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