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(Yahoo)   Some guy who really loves his iPhone thinks it will kill video game consoles, digital cameras and other gadgets   (finance.yahoo.com) divider line 62
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2010-08-16 12:15:00 PM  
I'm reading this on my Nokia N-Gage, so I'm really getting a kick...

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2010-08-16 12:40:47 PM  
I'll say this...I have no desire to carry anything other then my phone. Having an iPhone means I can stop wonderng if there is room in my bag for a Flip and a Nintendo DS. Both are amazing devices and both deliver a sharper more substantive experience with what they are designed to do, but I'll never by either one now.

So the author kind of has a point.
 
2010-08-16 12:50:49 PM  
vartian: I'll say this...I have no desire to carry anything other then my phone. Having an iPhone means I can stop wonderng if there is room in my bag for a Flip and a Nintendo DS. Both are amazing devices and both deliver a sharper more substantive experience with what they are designed to do, but I'll never by either one now.

So the author kind of has a point.


You sound like you never would have bought those even if the iPhone had never been invented. It's awfully hard to argue that the iPhone is going to kill all of this technology when it isn't replacing the full functionality of any of it, but only the bare essentials.

The iPhone can play games, but those games aren't as deep as the ones on the DS, so people who would have bought the DS before will still buy the DS. The iPhone isn't infringing on Nintendo's space in the market. It's expanding it.
 
2010-08-16 12:51:14 PM  
TFA: it's been a tough market for games

Really?

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i1011.photobucket.com
 
2010-08-16 12:56:18 PM  
Can the iPhone legally play Pokemon, Dragon Warrior, or Mario? No. Then your answer is "no."

Nintendo can still beat Apple in terms of brand loyalty. And it's not like they're competing products. I have games on my Droid. I have games for my DS. Sometimes I don't have my DS on me and some Sudoku passes the time, but if I want a fun gaming experience, I turn to something that can handle games and basic gaming input.
 
2010-08-16 01:29:02 PM  
vartian : I'll say this...I have no desire to carry anything other then my phone. Having an iPhone means I can stop wonderng if there is room in my bag for a Flip and a Nintendo DS.

That's all fine and dandy, but the article says "consoles", you know, the PS3, XBOX 360 and Wii. You wouldn't be carrying those around with you anyway.

And the iPhone really doesn't have a pot to piss in going up against nonportable consoles.
 
2010-08-16 01:29:39 PM  
Too bad Apple's client base are the type of gamers that "only play old-school games."
 
2010-08-16 01:30:05 PM  
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2010-08-16 01:39:36 PM  
vartian: I'll say this...I have no desire to carry anything other then my phone. Having an iPhone means I can stop wonderng if there is room in my bag for a Flip and a Nintendo DS. Both are amazing devices and both deliver a sharper more substantive experience with what they are designed to do, but I'll never by either one now.

So the author kind of has a point.


I do the same thing. A Nintendo DS or a PSP will probably offer a better experience, but I have no desire to carry around several devices. The reason I have a smart phone is so I can have an MP3 player/GPS/personal computer all in one.

With that said, gaming when out and about is about killing time during waits for me. Sitting in a waiting room, waiting for a friend to show up, driving a car on the freeway, etc etc. I would probably never carry a DS around because I wouldn't want to get too engaged and start ignoring my actual purpose for being somewhere.

My phone is a nice quick casual gaming device, but when I want to dig in a play a game I sit on my couch at home and pick up a controller.
 
2010-08-16 01:42:55 PM  
Disagree. Specialized devices will always perform their dedicated task better than than some all-in-one device that tries to be everything to everyone. Jack-of-all-trades, master of none.

A digital SLR is always going to take better photos than a phone camera. An eInk dedicated eReader is always going to be better for reading books, because of the screen size, zero-glare display and long battery life. A portable games console like the DS or PSP is always going to provide better gaming experience, because the physical interface (d-pads, shoulder buttons, etc.) is designed specifically for that purpose. And so on.

I have a laptop for serious work and productivity, I have a smartphone for voice calls and mobile e-mail, I have a digital camera for taking photos, I have an iPod Classic for listening to music, I have a Nintendo DS for mobile gaming, and I have a Nook for reading eBooks.

Each of those devices performs its task excellently. I don't find it a hassle to take 2 or 3 devices with me depending on the situation.

However, where I would really like to see convergence is in chargers. All electronic gadgets should use the same universal charger standard.
 
2010-08-16 01:43:04 PM  
I guess if it can't make calls, it might as well have some use.
 
2010-08-16 01:45:33 PM  
palladiate: Can the iPhone legally play Pokemon, Dragon Warrior, or Mario? No. Then your answer is "no."

Nintendo can still beat Apple in terms of brand loyalty. And it's not like they're competing products. I have games on my Droid. I have games for my DS. Sometimes I don't have my DS on me and some Sudoku passes the time, but if I want a fun gaming experience, I turn to something that can handle games and basic gaming input.


Well ask Nintendo to release on iPhone. I doubt they will but that's not Apple's problem. Beside, for all the licensed games, the best games generally have been independently developed.
 
2010-08-16 01:47:17 PM  
Now that Civ revolutions is free, I've actually been playing a game on my phone
 
2010-08-16 01:49:18 PM  
immrlizard: I guess if it can't make calls, it might as well have some use.

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2010-08-16 01:53:40 PM  
colonel0sanders: Now that Civ revolutions is free, I've actually been playing a game on my phone

Yes, I jumped on it too and it is one the single best iPhone games I've played. It's remarkable how good it is. I know if they make a Civ V version for iPhone and its' anywhere near this quality, I will gladly pay for it.
 
2010-08-16 01:59:30 PM  
Doc Daneeka: Disagree. Specialized devices will always perform their dedicated task better than than some all-in-one device that tries to be everything to everyone. Jack-of-all-trades, master of none.

I fully agree. I've seen some fantastic photos taken with a iPhone 4. Still, a DSLR, even the cheap ones, will hand any cell phone it's own ass on a silver platter when it comes to taking photos. It's better in every single aspect of capturing an image, from the size of the CMOS sensor to high ISO capabilities to the speed of the autofocus. Still, you don't always haul around a DSLR. The phone camera is fine for when you don't have a camera on you. Better than some el cheapo point and shoots, maybe. Better than a competent camera, no way in hell.

Ditto with gaming. Fine for whiling away an hour or so while you wait for your car at the mechanic or kill time someplace else, but better than an actual gaming console? Again, no way in hell.

Now, I do think that the capability of smartphones is getting astonishing and they are incredible devices, even being able to replace dedicated devices for some people or some tasks, but you'll never see a pro photographer leaving the DSLR behind in favor of an iPhone for the safari.

Doc Daneeka:
However, where I would really like to see convergence is in chargers. All electronic gadgets should use the same universal charger standard.


They've pretty well picked one, but most makers haven't fully standardized yet. I hope you like the microUSB connector, since that's the winner.
 
2010-08-16 02:05:36 PM  
Smartphones may indeed be replacing portable gaming devices. That's why the upcoming Playstation Phone may be a bit hit.
 
2010-08-16 02:18:53 PM  
They have been moving to a USB standard which 5v at .5a (except for the iPad no idea what it wants for input) and thats fine and dandy. gives you a nice standard connector for charging and data transfer. I don't really care what the plug going into the phone is as long as you can stick the other end into a universal hole. /momjoke
Bonus all of the LiPo batteries will usually take a 2c or more charge rate so given a good hobby charger like the protek 106b+ you could charge your phone from dead to full in a few minutes.

/LiPo freak
//brushless rc car systems are awesome
///dont grammarate, me I don't try
 
2010-08-16 02:20:57 PM  
Come back to me when iPhone can play 3d games for more than an hour.

This is one bad article, I expected nothing less from Jim Cramer's site.
 
2010-08-16 02:26:32 PM  
Not the current generation of iphone, or likely any of the next few generations.

However I could see smartphones (which could include the iphone) eventually becoming the primary means of digital storage.

Plug one into a docking station and it'll become the hard drive and primary CPU for a laptop or even desktop computer. Plug it into a TV and it'll become both a video game console and controller, perhaps with the ability to interact with dedicated controllers. You won't even need to buy an expensive data plan to access the internet since it'll be wifi enabled and can connect to an ethernet line through a simple adapter.

It is those technologies that'll replace traditional computers and gaming consoles. The current iPhone can't do it because:
- Apple retains absolute control over the content, making it difficult to use it in new and unique ways.
- A new series of industry standards would have to be created to insure any smartphone can connect with a large variety of docking stations. These standards don't yet exist and Apple would probably be resistant to adopt them.
 
2010-08-16 02:26:57 PM  
saintstryfe: colonel0sanders: Now that Civ revolutions is free, I've actually been playing a game on my phone

Yes, I jumped on it too and it is one the single best iPhone games I've played. It's remarkable how good it is. I know if they make a Civ V version for iPhone and its' anywhere near this quality, I will gladly pay for it.


Civ Rev on the iPhone/iPod works but its not even the best mobile version of that game, that would be the DS version. I have both as well as the game for the PS3. It is far superior of the PS3 than either mobile version. That being said, you will never see Civ V on the iPhone. Have you ever played a full-fledged Civ game? It just wouldn't work on any current mobile platform, not even the DS that has multiple buttons and a touch screen.
 
2010-08-16 02:28:28 PM  
moistD: saintstryfe: colonel0sanders: Now that Civ revolutions is free, I've actually been playing a game on my phone

Yes, I jumped on it too and it is one the single best iPhone games I've played. It's remarkable how good it is. I know if they make a Civ V version for iPhone and its' anywhere near this quality, I will gladly pay for it.

Civ Rev on the iPhone/iPod works but its not even the best mobile version of that game, that would be the DS version. I have both as well as the game for the PS3. It is far superior of on the PS3 than either mobile version. That being said, you will never see Civ V on the iPhone. Have you ever played a full-fledged Civ game? It just wouldn't work on any current mobile platform, not even the DS that has multiple buttons and a touch screen.


FTFM
 
2010-08-16 02:33:24 PM  
Jambalaya James: Too bad Apple's client base are the type of gamers that "only play old-school games."

I think it's obvious this is untrue. I live quite comfortably under a rock and even I'm fully aware of the iPhone's saturation into the herd. That thing is anything but niche. GodJobs made sure of it.

/Oh right, hipsters did it. Always those damn hipsters.
 
2010-08-16 02:35:04 PM  
moistD: Civ Rev on the iPhone/iPod works but its not even the best mobile version of that game, that would be the DS version

I have Civ Rev for the DS. Great game.

Can't imagine playing it without actual, physical buttons. Sure, even on the DS version, it's possible to control the game entirely with the stylus. That's far from the most convenient control scheme, however.
 
2010-08-16 02:42:52 PM  
Doc Daneeka: moistD: Civ Rev on the iPhone/iPod works but its not even the best mobile version of that game, that would be the DS version

I have Civ Rev for the DS. Great game.

Can't imagine playing it without actual, physical buttons. Sure, even on the DS version, it's possible to control the game entirely with the stylus. That's far from the most convenient control scheme, however.


I only use the stylus when I absolutely must, the buttons are so much better. when I said it works on the iPod/iPhone I meant one can play it. But I would never tell anyone to buy it for that platform.
 
2010-08-16 02:50:34 PM  
The next generation of smartphone will have a built in projector so you can watch TV/movies on a wall wherever you are.

/Maybe not next, but that would be cool
 
2010-08-16 02:56:17 PM  
he might as well say this: "the iphone is going to replace my 65 inch tv because i can watch movies on it."

that is how stupid this guys comments look to me.
 
2010-08-16 02:59:39 PM  
There's no reason that one device could't replace a bunch of others. One device that I could make calls, video chat, text, email, web, GPS, and game would be great. The problem is we just don't have anywhere near the technology yet. Not even close.

The only thing that I think will limit such a device is lens choices for a good camera. Then again, in this fantasy world that has this device, maybe that would be solved too.

Someday...someday...
 
2010-08-16 03:00:23 PM  
The best camera is the one you have one you when you need it. For that reason alone, I can really appreciate the camera on my iPhone. I've been snapping photos lately like crazy despite having other cameras available just because it's there when I need it. The thing also takes great HD video. The biggest flaw I've found so far is the lack of optical zoom.

Been playing with the hypstamatic app of late too just for kicks.

I've also been using it to play portable games. The visuals are easily on par with the PSP. The only big issue is that there arn't really many quality games to choose from -- far less than you would be lead to believe. That, and the lack of a d-pad really hurts most games. The touch screen controls work, they just don't work particularly well.

Right now I'm playing Zedonia 2. Once I figure out how to play Civ, I'll probably give that a go too. I also appreciate the quirky little games like Angry Birds just for the fact that it gives me something to do while waiting for the bus.

As for the claim that having an all-in-one device will never beat out a specialized device, I can appreciate having a phone, camera, video & music player and gaming machine all in one device -- especially when that device does them all pretty decently. I really do think it will only get better from here.
 
2010-08-16 03:03:38 PM  
Sooo....Is this like the article a few months back that said subscription online data storage was a better option than an external hard drive?
 
2010-08-16 03:03:43 PM  
As a portable gaming platform, the iTouch (and presumably other iThings) suffers greatly due to battery life. I pass the time with some gaming on it at work, but only when I am actually at my work PC so that the USB can be connected for power. If I don't do that it'll be dead before the day is out, easily. I can't imagine having an iPhone and then putting it through that, something I need to have available and able to ring at any given time. This is really why I don't have a smartphone at all, just a basic cell that is only good for taking and making calls. That way, I don't run the battery down with superfluous things so that it is always able to do the job I really need it for - phone calls.
 
2010-08-16 03:05:13 PM  
Everything they are saying is accurate. They aren't saying that an iPhone will do everything, they are saying that in the future mobile devices can replace multiple larger static devices. How can you even argue that? An mobile phone won't replace your TV, but it will plug into it and play your movies.
 
2010-08-16 03:12:27 PM  
Maybe not ALL digital cameras, but cell-phone cameras have reached the point where I will probably never buy another small, portable digital camera or video camera again. Big honking DSLRs are in no danger of being replaced in the forseeable future, though.
 
2010-08-16 03:12:36 PM  
lordargent: vartian : I'll say this...I have no desire to carry anything other then my phone. Having an iPhone means I can stop wonderng if there is room in my bag for a Flip and a Nintendo DS.

That's all fine and dandy, but the article says "consoles", you know, the PS3, XBOX 360 and Wii. You wouldn't be carrying those around with you anyway.

And the iPhone really doesn't have a pot to piss in going up against nonportable consoles.


Oh, I love my iPhone, but it can't possibly replace my PS3 and a wide-screen TV. :)
 
2010-08-16 03:18:39 PM  
Somehow I feel like this is strangely appropriate for this article.

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2010-08-16 03:21:05 PM  
Huh...

Maybe I could believe this guy had any clue about the real world if the real world currently had a portable device that provided a full virtual reality experience at the graphical level of today's gaming rigs and consoles. Or was even close to providing such a device.

Until then, people are going to keep watching their movies and playing their video games on huge screens. I'm not watching Avatar in the palm of my hand! I'm lookin' at you Samsung.

/Author's a tool.
 
2010-08-16 03:24:41 PM  
It's all about price and ease of use. I live alone and have 5 TVs. I can only watch one at once. But they are cheap so they are in multiple rooms. A couple are in spare rooms. Again they are cheap so why not. If my smart phone can double as a controller for my Wii then great. If not, no big deal. If I want an e-reader because the screen is slightly larger or easier to read in bright light and it's cheap why not get one? The smart phone has already consolidated a lot of data in one place and it may be the hub. In other words I may download a movie on my smart phone come home and using a wireless connection watch it on my big screen HD TV. That works for me. I also like my notebook and I also have a tower. Again, all of this stuff is becoming more and more inexpensive as it becomes more and more powerful. I think the market will expand and that smart phones may become our hub for online interaction and even payment at stores although that will probably go biometric shortly. As for the idea of a "phone" I think that will disappear and it will be very star trekish in that anywhere you are you will be able to just say "call X" and because of a small pin you always wear or even an implant you will be talking to who you want to talk to. You will not need to carry anything if you do not wish to do so. I see expansion. The more toys the better until it becomes more of a pain in the arse than the benefit I receive.

/2 cents
 
2010-08-16 03:25:08 PM  
mxwjs: he might as well say this: "the iphone is going to replace my 65 inch tv because i can watch movies on it."

that is how stupid this guys comments look to me.


This, very much this.

The iPhone, with some hardware changes, might give the gameboy a run for its money... but just barely.
Its way out of that markets price range and lacks a game library to compete with purpose made handhelds.

Smartphones need many gimmicks to justify their high cost and expensive phone plans. No idiot is going to replace his $300 xbox home entertainment system with a phone that can cost over twice as much while having less memory, chip speed, and a smaller selection of games.
Likewise, people who really need a GPS navigation system or camera will probably spring alot less money on the specialized hardware for better results.
 
2010-08-16 03:52:22 PM  
Doc Daneeka: Disagree. Specialized devices will always perform their dedicated task better than than some all-in-one device that tries to be everything to everyone. Jack-of-all-trades, master of none.

You forgot the rest.

Yet often times better than a master of one.
 
2010-08-16 04:01:27 PM  
Smartphones will most likely kill most point-and-click digital cameras, but there will always be a market for higher-scale ones that smartphones can't touch due to physical constraints (high-quality lenses, lots of optical zoom, large CMOS sensors...), and they will probably take out all manner of "gadget"-y gadgets, since they have an easy time incorporating a lot into a convenient package you'll always be carrying with you. (Car mount GPS units will most likely be troubled, too. The companies not as much, because they can always sell their software to all comers.)

But game consoles...? They'll make inroads on some things people like to carry a DS and PSP around for just because of the uber-convenience (and they might even be able to hit the "more serious gaming" as well if they start utilizing gamepad shells), but the Xbox and PS3...?

We're a long ways off the processing power from smartphones being all people want out of their 60" 1080p gaming rigs.
 
2010-08-16 04:07:01 PM  
cthellis: Smartphones will most likely kill most point-and-click digital cameras, but there will always be a market for higher-scale ones that smartphones can't touch due to physical constraints (high-quality lenses, lots of optical zoom, large CMOS sensors...), and they will probably take out all manner of "gadget"-y gadgets, since they have an easy time incorporating a lot into a convenient package you'll always be carrying with you. (Car mount GPS units will most likely be troubled, too. The companies not as much, because they can always sell their software to all comers.)

But game consoles...? They'll make inroads on some things people like to carry a DS and PSP around for just because of the uber-convenience (and they might even be able to hit the "more serious gaming" as well if they start utilizing gamepad shells), but the Xbox and PS3...?


We're a long ways off the processing power from smartphones being all people want out of their 60" 1080p gaming rigs.

Streaming games might change that. The screen on a smart phone has a much lower resolution.
 
2010-08-16 04:19:13 PM  
homarjr: The next generation of smartphone will have a built in projector so you can watch TV/movies on a wall wherever you are.

/Maybe not next, but that would be cool


Maybe someday it will be reality. (new window)
 
2010-08-16 04:31:04 PM  
My boss and I discussed this subject. We think the future will be like this:

Your mobile phone will become your "magic wand". It will be a phone, of course, and it may even hold some content. But most of all, it will be a "key" that is used to unlock content over any device. Your phone will address any TV, display, PC, game console, car deck or audio system and allow that device to access and provide whatever content you "own" in "the cloud".

Fact is, portable devices won't be able to deliver the big video or big audio experience. Convergence will come not in hardware, but across hardware. Convergence will be a convergence of access, not a convergence of media.

Oz has spoken!
 
2010-08-16 04:38:37 PM  
palladiate: Can the iPhone legally play Pokemon, Dragon Warrior, or Mario? No. Then your answer is "no."

Nintendo can still beat Apple in terms of brand loyalty. And it's not like they're competing products. I have games on my Droid. I have games for my DS. Sometimes I don't have my DS on me and some Sudoku passes the time, but if I want a fun gaming experience, I turn to something that can handle games and basic gaming input.


FWIW, my kids run a gameboy emulator on our iPad, and use either the onscreen or their wii controllers depending on the game.
 
2010-08-16 05:00:47 PM  
homarjr: The next generation of smartphone will have a built in projector so you can watch TV/movies on a wall wherever you are.

/Maybe not next, but that would be cool


I can't decide if that is a good thing or a bad thing. It's good for me, because I can use it to project onto my wall and perhaps occasionally be able to share something with a friend if we are somewhere quiet.

On the other hand, this exact same technology will be a nightmare once it gets into the hands of the many chavs who already use the tinny yet surprisingly loud speakers on their mobiles to share their awful taste in music with an entire train carriage.
 
2010-08-16 05:12:58 PM  
Jambalaya James: Too bad Apple's client base are the type of gamers that "only play old-school games."

they have number munchers on iphone? I'm regretting my decision to get a droid now
 
2010-08-16 05:27:20 PM  
Get rid of my 32 inch tv and the computer so I can watch shows and play game son a 3 inch screen? Yeah, I'll get right on that.


Don't want a phone, and have my DS set up to play mp3's (and video with a little work). So yeah, I already carry around an 'all in one' device.
 
2010-08-16 05:31:16 PM  
cameras: it's great to have a camera on my phone for those moments when I forgot my camera. But the photos look like ass which is why I have a real camera (it's not just about the megapixels, assholes).

Video-Game Consoles: No. Games on iPhones/Android are horrible. I've played a couple of puzzle things on Android, but everything else sucks.

Navigation Devices: Yup. I actually replaced my wife's phone with a cheap Nokia with free maps because the upgrade worked out cheaper than buying a dedicated GPS.

Tablets: I think the future will be these cheap-ass ones. They're selling them on eBay for £78, which is only just double the price of a digital photoframe.

Netbooks: Nope. Cheap, very portable little PC that isn't a retarded device like the iPad.

E-Readers: Nope. Not until someone makes a proper e-ink tablet.
 
2010-08-16 06:23:01 PM  
it's got the wi-fis and more gee-bees.
 
2010-08-16 08:30:15 PM  
What a great article. Dude who doesn't play video games predicts the iPhone will replace video game systems. Sure dude.
 
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