I think "money making scheme" is just a teensy bit strong a term for this, subby.

To CCA et al., yes, it is a revenue-generating opportunity - one might even say a potential revenue bonanza. But no where in the article does it substantiate its vague semi-allegations that these companies hatched up a plan to create this legislation.

Are they opportunistic vultures who may have helped forward the process? Sure. Are they Cheney-esque or Rovian masterminds? Doubtful.

When imprisoning people becomes a place to generate profit, then it becomes profitable for those companies to lobby for laws that increase the number of people being imprisoned.

Code_Archeologist: When imprisoning people becomes a place to generate profit, then it becomes profitable for those companies to lobby for laws that increase the number of people being imprisoned.

Gamer and Statham's Death Race come to mind for some reason.

That's what I don't get about the supporters of this bill. They say that these illegals cost us money and we waste our tax dollars on them and the proposed solution is to round them up and pay to keep them in jail. That costs even more money because before they were at least earning money and paying state sales taxes, but when you put them in jail, they are paying zero into the system and taking away even more. It's foolish.

I thought we were going to deport them, not lock them up. That kind of defeats the purpose.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio can house them on the cheap and have them wanting to go home.

You mean to say that the Republican party has a vested financial interest in the immigration and drug policies they are attempting to push? That their purported reasons for pushing these policies may be hogwash used to convince an undereducated and gullible voter base by using fear instead of reason? That their argument appears to be from a moral high ground but is actually entirely hypocritical chaff?

Say it isn't so!

sprawl15: Say it isn't so!


You can't see me, but I'm making my 'shocked' face...

This is well beyond conspiracy theory and well into straight nuttery.

The author takes two completely unrelated items, conflates them, and then says: SEE! I TOLD YOU SO!

Here's the deal: if Arizona winds up detaining a whole bunch more illegal aliens as a result of the new law, then it's up to the Feds to process them. If Arizona winds up housing them, it's because the FEDS aren't doing their jobs of processing them on a timely basis.

But, of course, since the author clearly has his tin foil conspiracy already plotted out regardless of the FACTS involved, then it's some obscure legislator no one who has ever heard that is responsible for trying to steer money to private prisons.

Please. Leftists were better off sticking with the ZOMG! YOU'RE A RACIST FOR LOCKING UP CRIMINALS! line of illogic. I suppose next we're going to be greenlighting Alex Jones to provide balance for the whackjob lunacy from the Left?

Church of Life After Shopping ?

sprawl15: You mean to say that the Republican party has a vested financial interest in the immigration and drug policies they are attempting to push? That their purported reasons for pushing these policies may be hogwash used to convince an undereducated and gullible voter base by using fear instead of reason? That their argument appears to be from a moral high ground but is actually entirely hypocritical chaff?

Say it isn't so!

Thank you Mr. Sprawl. You have eloquently said what I wanted to say. Plus you did it better. That has always been the Republican way and I figured it out even before I was old enough to vote. There may be some good Repubs out there, but they ain't none in my neighborhood.

jim_paul: Here's the deal: if Arizona winds up detaining a whole bunch more illegal aliens as a result of the new law, then it's up to the Feds to process them. If Arizona winds up housing them, it's because the FEDS aren't doing their jobs of processing them on a timely basis.

This article isn't about federal law and federal penalties. It's about the state law that was passed that imposed penalties at the state level, not the federal level. Try to keep it on subject.

T-Luv: That's what I don't get about the supporters of this bill. They say that these illegals cost us money and we waste our tax dollars on them and the proposed solution is to round them up and pay to keep them in jail. That costs even more money because before they were at least earning money and paying state sales taxes, but when you put them in jail, they are paying zero into the system and taking away even more. It's foolish.

I'd be even happier if once caught and status was determined they were deported. I mean, how much would a detention cell for a couple weeks and a plane ticket to mexico cost? If the process was designed to get people through the system and out of the country you'd be looking at a few thousand max to get rid of an illegal, which is cheaper than the welfare and healthcare costs would be and it has a discouragment factor that keeps others from coming illegally.

sprawl15: You mean to say that the Republican party has a vested financial interest in the immigration and drug policies they are attempting to push? That their purported reasons for pushing these policies may be hogwash used to convince an undereducated and gullible voter base by using fear instead of reason? That their argument appears to be from a moral high ground but is actually entirely hypocritical chaff?

Say it isn't so!

You mean you so totally lacking in reading comprehension and critical thinking skills that you couldn't figure out that the accusation has ZERO basis in fact in anything other than the author's mind? Show me the connection that is ANYTHING other than pure innuendo and conspiracy theory. A meeting? A note? A quote? Anything? Bueller?

Say it isn't so!

Code_Archeologist: When imprisoning people becomes a place to generate profit, then it becomes profitable for those companies to lobby for laws that increase the number of people being imprisoned.


That, and wide spread corruption.

ricbach229: T-Luv: That's what I don't get about the supporters of this bill. They say that these illegals cost us money and we waste our tax dollars on them and the proposed solution is to round them up and pay to keep them in jail. That costs even more money because before they were at least earning money and paying state sales taxes, but when you put them in jail, they are paying zero into the system and taking away even more. It's foolish.

I'd be even happier if once caught and status was determined they were deported. I mean, how much would a detention cell for a couple weeks and a plane ticket to mexico cost? If the process was designed to get people through the system and out of the country you'd be looking at a few thousand max to get rid of an illegal, which is cheaper than the welfare and healthcare costs would be and it has a discouragment factor that keeps others from coming illegally.

I would be happier if they just went after the employers of illegals and throw the book at them so it's no longer profitable to hire them and the illegals will stop coming all together because there is nobody willing to put their ass on the line to hire them.

When you deport them, they turn around and come back. IT's a never ending cycle. Deporting them doesn't work, putting them in jail for extended periods of time is way too expensive, so why not go after the employers with stiff fines? That actually makes money for the government and solves the problem.

T-Luv: This article isn't about federal law and federal penalties. It's about the state law that was passed that imposed penalties at the state level, not the federal level. Try to keep it on subject.

The subject is that SUPPOSEDLY Arizona passed a law just to imprison more people. EXCEPT that illegal aliens are SUPPOSED to be processed by the Feds who won't do the job.

THAT IS THE FEDS' FAILURE. Not a conspiracy theory. If you don't like states having to take matters into their own hands, then yell at the Feds to do a better job.

Diogenes: Code_Archeologist: When imprisoning people becomes a place to generate profit, then it becomes profitable for those companies to lobby for laws that increase the number of people being imprisoned.

The parallels to health care are rather compelling.

Ummmm...

Healthcare:
Individual ---> Government/Private Enterprise ---> Doctor

Corrections:
Government ---> Individual ---> Private Enterprise

Not quite.

jim_paul : Here's the deal: if Arizona winds up detaining a whole bunch more illegal aliens as a result of the new law, then it's up to the Feds to process them. If Arizona winds up housing them, it's because the FEDS aren't doing their jobs of processing them on a timely basis.

Because the federal government is going to be totally willing to process people captured under the auspices of a state law that they're currently opposing? Wh-whu?

With more aggressive law enforcement in place, wouldn't arrests (and thus detainments) go way up? Maybe necessitate the hiring of more local police and prison officials? Would they be getting Washington to hire them and pay them? Hmmm?

jim_paul: T-Luv: This article isn't about federal law and federal penalties. It's about the state law that was passed that imposed penalties at the state level, not the federal level. Try to keep it on subject.

The subject is that SUPPOSEDLY Arizona passed a law just to imprison more people. EXCEPT that illegal aliens are SUPPOSED to be processed by the Feds who won't do the job.

THAT IS THE FEDS' FAILURE. Not a conspiracy theory. If you don't like states having to take matters into their own hands, then yell at the Feds to do a better job.

So why doesn't John McCain do anything about it? Their senator is one of the longest serving senators with a lot of political capital, and he had eight years with a republican president to get legislation passed. This problem didn't spring up overnight. If the citizens of Arizona are so pissed, then why not vote out the guy who has done nothing for them on this issue and get a guy who will do what they want on the federal level?

I used to think this was simply a silly idea, but now I really don't care. AZ can do whatever it wants and we'll see how rich it is once it stops wasting so much money to give free government services to illegal anchor baby mexican criminals and white people are washing dishes and cutting grass.

ricbach229: I'd be even happier if once caught and status was determined they were deported. I mean, how much would a detention cell for a couple weeks and a plane ticket to mexico cost? If the process was designed to get people through the system and out of the country you'd be looking at a few thousand max to get rid of an illegal, which is cheaper than the welfare and healthcare costs would be and it has a discouragment factor that keeps others from coming illegally.

EXACTLY. Do Not Pass Go. Do Not Collect $200. There should a regular shuttle running straight to the heart of Mexico City (and the capital cities of other countries sending mass numbers of their citizenry to this country - it's not exclusively a Mexican issue) which drops them their citizens back on the tarmac in their home country.

You get caught. You're not here legally? You're back on the next scheduled plane to your home country. End of story.

Getting back to your home town once you're there? Not our problem. We didn't invite you to come. You broke our laws when you cross the border. You accepted the potential consequences when you thought you were above the law. Don't whine and cry about it now that you got caught.

jim paul

You can't even make the correct connection in your argument.

The Arizona law as a side effect does imprison more people.

Where are these people being held?

For-profit prisons.

This has nothing to do with Illegal Aliens being processed by the feds. It has everything to do with imprisoning illegal aliens.

It is not the Federal government's job to arrest illegal aliens. It is the federal government's job to PROCESS illegal aliens.

This law has NOTHING to do with processing illegal aliens. This law leads to more arrests and more imprisonment, which equals MORE MONEY for for-profit prisons.

T-Luv: If the citizens of Arizona are so pissed, then why not vote out the guy who has done nothing for them on this issue and get a guy who will do what they want on the federal level?


Congress has a 93% reelection rate.

It's not just AZ voters who are dumber than dogshiat...

T-Luv: ricbach229: T-Luv: That's what I don't get about the supporters of this bill. They say that these illegals cost us money and we waste our tax dollars on them and the proposed solution is to round them up and pay to keep them in jail. That costs even more money because before they were at least earning money and paying state sales taxes, but when you put them in jail, they are paying zero into the system and taking away even more. It's foolish.

I'd be even happier if once caught and status was determined they were deported. I mean, how much would a detention cell for a couple weeks and a plane ticket to mexico cost? If the process was designed to get people through the system and out of the country you'd be looking at a few thousand max to get rid of an illegal, which is cheaper than the welfare and healthcare costs would be and it has a discouragment factor that keeps others from coming illegally.

I would be happier if they just went after the employers of illegals and throw the book at them so it's no longer profitable to hire them and the illegals will stop coming all together because there is nobody willing to put their ass on the line to hire them.

When you deport them, they turn around and come back. IT's a never ending cycle. Deporting them doesn't work, putting them in jail for extended periods of time is way too expensive, so why not go after the employers with stiff fines? That actually makes money for the government and solves the problem.

Penalties such as those found in Arizona's 2007 law that mandated the use of e-verify for all new hires and levied penalties that included the permanent revocation of business licenses for those found to knowingly hire illegal aliens on the second offense?

NewportBarGuy: She wants to keep her job and she'shiatting all the right buttons to ensure she keeps that paycheck.

Great typo.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: T-Luv: ricbach229: T-Luv: That's what I don't get about the supporters of this bill. They say that these illegals cost us money and we waste our tax dollars on them and the proposed solution is to round them up and pay to keep them in jail. That costs even more money because before they were at least earning money and paying state sales taxes, but when you put them in jail, they are paying zero into the system and taking away even more. It's foolish.

I'd be even happier if once caught and status was determined they were deported. I mean, how much would a detention cell for a couple weeks and a plane ticket to mexico cost? If the process was designed to get people through the system and out of the country you'd be looking at a few thousand max to get rid of an illegal, which is cheaper than the welfare and healthcare costs would be and it has a discouragment factor that keeps others from coming illegally.

I would be happier if they just went after the employers of illegals and throw the book at them so it's no longer profitable to hire them and the illegals will stop coming all together because there is nobody willing to put their ass on the line to hire them.

When you deport them, they turn around and come back. IT's a never ending cycle. Deporting them doesn't work, putting them in jail for extended periods of time is way too expensive, so why not go after the employers with stiff fines? That actually makes money for the government and solves the problem.

Penalties such as those found in Arizona's 2007 law that mandated the use of e-verify for all new hires and levied penalties that included the permanent revocation of business licenses for those found to knowingly hire illegal aliens on the second offense?

How often do they enforce that law?

Someone want to point to jim paul the article that showed the Obama Administration deported a record number of people in 2009?

jakomo002: Because the federal government is going to be totally willing to process people captured under the auspices of a state law that they're currently opposing? Wh-whu?

Which is exactly the point. Thanks for making it for me. The Feds are SELECTIVELY enforcing the law. THEY DON"T HAVE THAT RIGHT. The laws are the laws. The Feds don't get to pick and choose which ones to enforce and which ones they don't. Once you let that situation continue, then ALL respect for the law breaks down and chaos ensues.

An illegal alien broke FEDERAL law first. If you want to stop Arizona, then the Feds need to do a better job of locking up illegal aliens before Arizona state cops get to them.

With more aggressive law enforcement in place, wouldn't arrests (and thus detainments) go way up? Maybe necessitate the hiring of more local police and prison officials? Would they be getting Washington to hire them and pay them? Hmmm?

Umm...NO. Only if you're planning on housing illegal aliens rather than deporting them. THAT is a FEDERAL policy decision. Not a STATE one. So trying to lay the blame for a federal problem on an obscure state legislator is just about the dumbest thing possible.

But you go ahead and put your tin foil back on and believe this lunacy if you like. Reality will still be here when you get back.

WSUCanuck: Someone want to point to jim paul the article that showed the Obama Administration deported a record number of people in 2009?

Somebody want to point me to the commenters here who are claiming that illegal aliens are going to be housed by the state of Arizona because THE FEDS WON'T TAKE THEM?

I mean, that's the ENTIRE basis of this conspiracy theory nonsense. Your argument is with the Leftists here arguing that the Feds are NOT going to do their jobs. Not me.

jim paul

You only wish deporting people were as simple as this:

1) person gets arrested
2) fails to provide proof of citizenship/legal immigrant status
3) housed overnight
4) sent on the first plane back to random country
5) profit.


Thats not how the system works. Deporting each person takes time and effort and this thing called "evidence". Its not cut and dry every single time.

JournOList hard at work!

jim paul

What job is the federal government not doing? Are they not deporting people? They deported 380k+ last year.

What the hell is your argument? Arizona Law Enforcement is not sending illegal aliens caught under the new law to federal prison, they're sending them to state prison.

Which state prisons are they being sent to? For-profit prisons.

jim_paul: You mean you so totally lacking in reading comprehension and critical thinking skills that you couldn't figure out that the accusation has ZERO basis in fact in anything other than the author's mind? Show me the connection that is ANYTHING other than pure innuendo and conspiracy theory. A meeting? A note? A quote? Anything? Bueller?

Say it isn't so!

Facts like...

1) Brown people are scary
2) The government has the power to criminalize what you consume under the guise of your self interest
3) Illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans
4) It may look like I'm pocketing money from this bill I passed, but I'm not because...Praise Jesus!

Thanks, Murphy Brown, but I'll be out here in the real world. You can stay shaking in fear under your bead.

T-Luv: The_Six_Fingered_Man: T-Luv: ricbach229: T-Luv: That's what I don't get about the supporters of this bill. They say that these illegals cost us money and we waste our tax dollars on them and the proposed solution is to round them up and pay to keep them in jail. That costs even more money because before they were at least earning money and paying state sales taxes, but when you put them in jail, they are paying zero into the system and taking away even more. It's foolish.

I'd be even happier if once caught and status was determined they were deported. I mean, how much would a detention cell for a couple weeks and a plane ticket to mexico cost? If the process was designed to get people through the system and out of the country you'd be looking at a few thousand max to get rid of an illegal, which is cheaper than the welfare and healthcare costs would be and it has a discouragment factor that keeps others from coming illegally.

I would be happier if they just went after the employers of illegals and throw the book at them so it's no longer profitable to hire them and the illegals will stop coming all together because there is nobody willing to put their ass on the line to hire them.

When you deport them, they turn around and come back. IT's a never ending cycle. Deporting them doesn't work, putting them in jail for extended periods of time is way too expensive, so why not go after the employers with stiff fines? That actually makes money for the government and solves the problem.

Penalties such as those found in Arizona's 2007 law that mandated the use of e-verify for all new hires and levied penalties that included the permanent revocation of business licenses for those found to knowingly hire illegal aliens on the second offense?

How often do they enforce that law?

Not much, since it's been tied up in Federal court since it was passed and signed, by DHS Secretary Napolitano, I might add.

WSUCanuck: Its not cut and dry every single time.





Agrees...

1) State makes it STATE law allowing the arrest of citizens for the sole reason of suspicion of being in the country illegally.

2) Offenders of State Laws get sent to state prisons, not FEDERAL prisons.

3) The prisons they are being sent to are for-profit state prisons

4)For-profit state prisons profit even more due to passage of aforementioned state law.