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(Chronicle of Higher Ed)   A list of things to do with your liberal arts degree... no, wait, these were ways to pay for college in 1906   (chronicle.com ) divider line 102
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2010-08-12 09:22:25 AM  
Man, what an original, imaginative headline. Digs at a liberal arts degree, never seen that one before!
 
2010-08-12 09:22:30 AM  
Wow, it almost sounds like no minimum wage laws allowed individuals to pursue niche jobs for smaller amounts of pay, increasing employment and opportunity for the unskilled and undereducated. What a crazy random happenstance.
 
2010-08-12 09:25:13 AM  
Selling past copies of examination papers-a few cents per student per exam

Isn't this kind of thing is frowned upon these days.
 
2010-08-12 09:25:33 AM  

sprawl15: Wow, it almost sounds like no minimum wage laws allowed individuals to pursue niche jobs for smaller amounts of pay, increasing employment and opportunity for the unskilled and undereducated. What a crazy random happenstance.


I can't wait to see the shiatstorm this little post creates!
 
2010-08-12 09:25:48 AM  
"If a young man or woman is ambitious, is willing to work, has good health, and is not seriously handicapped by others dependent upon him," wrote Moran, "he cannot blame fate or anything else if he fails to acquire a college education."

Still holds true today.
 
2010-08-12 09:25:56 AM  
And...AND selling butter and mending shoes top out education. At least some of our values are still in place.
 
2010-08-12 09:26:44 AM  
The headline: This is ways ...

/not sure if serious meme
 
2010-08-12 09:26:46 AM  

ShillinTheVillain: Man, what an original, imaginative headline. Digs at a liberal arts degree, never seen that one before!


This. My buddy got a degree in the useless and irrelevant field of political science and now he's at med school and will eventually make bank as a doctor. That's just one example.
 
2010-08-12 09:27:40 AM  
Why the butthurt over people that get liberal arts degrees? Did subby get conned into paying for someone else's liberal arts education?
 
2010-08-12 09:28:02 AM  
"Giving massage treatments-50 cents to $1 an hour"

Sounds like a good idea.
 
2010-08-12 09:28:43 AM  
they should muster their pluck

I got arrested for doing that in public once.
 
2010-08-12 09:29:53 AM  

digistil: Why the butthurt over people that get liberal arts degrees? Did subby get conned into paying for someone else's liberal arts education?


Ridicule != butthurt
 
2010-08-12 09:31:17 AM  

kxs401: "Giving massage treatments-50 cents to $1 an hour"


Looks like the "just paying my way through college" excuse was in effect over a hundred years ago.
 
2010-08-12 09:31:23 AM  
A Cautauqua desk. (new window)
 
2010-08-12 09:32:14 AM  
It's amazing what you can find by googling for "moran", isn't it?

TFA: "Were he alive today, Selby A. Moran would advise students not to become discouraged."

/Selby, a moran?
 
2010-08-12 09:32:26 AM  
I am making great money at the Anti-Saloon League! And they said my PhD in Philosophy was worthless!
 
2010-08-12 09:32:27 AM  
Did somebody say 'moran'?
images.feedmebacon.com
 
2010-08-12 09:32:59 AM  
This poorly written article has nothing about the manufacture of onion belts.
 
2010-08-12 09:33:19 AM  
damned typo.
 
2010-08-12 09:34:04 AM  

big pig peaches: Isn't this kind of thing is frowned upon these days.


One of my upper-level EE professors had a (not very large) pool of exam questions that he would use from semester to semester. He was a veteran professor, and students had caught onto this a long time ago, so everyone had "files" of previous exams. Study sessions were pretty much going over the previous exam questions. The professor knew about this, and didn't seem to mind.

sonarbison: This. My buddy got a degree in the useless and irrelevant field of political science and now he's at med school and will eventually make bank as a doctor. That's just one example.


What porn shop would he be working at if he hadn't passed the MCAT?
 
2010-08-12 09:34:05 AM  

tereklusec: And...AND selling butter and mending shoes top out education. At least some of our values are still in place.


Anyone can teach kindergarten. It takes skill to mend shoes and sell butter.
 
2010-08-12 09:34:36 AM  
I see things haven't changed much in the past hundred years.

People who want to get ahead will.
 
2010-08-12 09:34:47 AM  
Hey, sweet, I have one of those. I am thoroughly qualified in the lucrative fields of: fast food technician, coffee-slaving, and back-alley blowjob distribution, among many others.

/minored in physics and history for the extra unemployability...
 
2010-08-12 09:34:50 AM  

sgnilward: I can't wait to see the shiatstorm this little post creates!


Well, this isn't the politics tab, there's significant risk that people are too busy having fun to argue.
 
2010-08-12 09:37:01 AM  
What's his Fark handle?

/oblig
 
2010-08-12 09:37:23 AM  

Porsche914: they should muster their pluck

I got arrested for doing that in public once.


Pluckmustering is punishable by death in Somalia.
 
2010-08-12 09:38:07 AM  

AntiNorm: What porn shop would he be working at if he hadn't passed the MCAT?


I am a broker for commercial bulk and container shipping vessels with completely unrelated degrees in poli sci and philosophy.. My bosses before I transferred to Europe had English and Psychology majors. In fact, I know far more successfull lib arts graduates than I do engineers and lawyers.
 
2010-08-12 09:40:25 AM  
It could be worse like having a Philosophy degree like czarangeles.
 
2010-08-12 09:41:01 AM  

sprawl15: Wow, it almost sounds like no minimum wage laws allowed individuals to pursue niche jobs for smaller amounts of pay, increasing employment and opportunity for the unskilled and undereducated. What a crazy random happenstance.


Hey, and if we had heavy tariffs on imports, we'd have no unemployment, because all those factories in China would be over here! Wal-Mart would be nothing but "Made with pride in the USA."

Boy, it sure is fun to think like a 19th century conservative!
 
2010-08-12 09:42:16 AM  
I work in the employment office of a University, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2010-08-12 09:43:38 AM  
So, what are those amounts in todays dollars adjusted for inflation? Anybody know of a chart?
 
2010-08-12 09:44:05 AM  
Selling butter-$10 a week

Seriously... one of the better paying jobs on the list?

Unless, of course, "selling butter" is one of those crazy early 20th century euphemisms for something else. If ya know what I mean, and I think ya do. "She was ostracized by her family when it was found she was selling butter."
 
2010-08-12 09:44:27 AM  

Oekss: digistil: Why the butthurt over people that get liberal arts degrees? Did subby get conned into paying for someone else's liberal arts education?

Ridicule = butthurt, when the only thing linking you to it is the ridicule.


FTFA
 
2010-08-12 09:44:55 AM  

ROBO-Jesus: Hey, and if we had heavy tariffs on imports, we'd have no unemployment, because all those factories in China would be over here! Wal-Mart would be nothing but "Made with pride in the USA."

Boy, it sure is fun to think like a 19th century conservative!


Funny, I reread my post and didn't see a single thing about tariffs. But, after reading your post, it sounds like you're perfectly fine with racist minimum wage laws. You know, the laws that drastically hurt minorities and poor people while not affecting the upper crust? But keep farkin' that red herring, pony boy.
 
2010-08-12 09:46:19 AM  
 
2010-08-12 09:46:56 AM  

lilplatinum: In fact, I know far more successfull lib arts graduates than I do engineers and lawyers.


To be fair, you probably just don't hang around in engineer/lawyer circles. How many unsuccessful those do you know?

You are right, though. All those lib arts graduates end up doing something, and it's usually not flipping burgers (or pressing them or whatever McDonald's does these days to heat meat). I've known several 'lib arts' people who have gone on to complete MBAs, paid-in-full by their employers.
 
2010-08-12 09:48:30 AM  
HelenKellersFingers
What's his Fark handle?

/oblig

WRONG THREAD, proof no one cares what I say.

/Hehe .. wake and bake.
 
2010-08-12 09:50:14 AM  
For me, it's not so much ridicule over liberal arts degrees, it's the insane amounts of debt you graduate with -- debt that follows you, and your parents, throughout life.

If you graduate with $50k of student loan debt and a BA in some generic field, you're narrowing your job opportunities (you gotta take a job where you can make the student loan payments) and chances to enjoy life after graduation (gotta live at home to save money).
 
2010-08-12 09:50:56 AM  

sonarbison: My buddy got a degree in the useless and irrelevant field of political science and now he's at med school and will eventually make bank as a doctor. That's just one example.


He must not have paid attention in poly sci classes if he thinks he's gonna make bank as a MD.
 
2010-08-12 09:51:14 AM  

ROBO-Jesus: I've known several 'lib arts' people who have gone on to complete MBAs, paid-in-full by their employers.


I'm in the process of getting an MBA, paid for by my employer and I'm getting a kick out of this reply.

An MBA is the Poli-sci of grad degrees.
 
2010-08-12 09:52:16 AM  

ROBO-Jesus: To be fair, you probably just don't hang around in engineer/lawyer circles. How many unsuccessful those do you know?


Handful of engineers.. Lots of lawyers, government/philosophy is the standard lawyer prelaw undergrad combo, I worked at a law firm throughout undergrad, was an officer/mock trial captain in our pre law 'frat', took the LSAT, got into Law school.... and then came to my senses.

Plenty of lawyers make nominally a lot of money but are stuck in their jobs due to debt, or if they become public attorneys so they can get trial experience (like I wanted to) are fairly farking broke.


You are right, though. All those lib arts graduates end up doing something, and it's usually not flipping burgers (or pressing them or whatever McDonald's does these days to heat meat). I've known several 'lib arts' people who have gone on to complete MBAs, paid-in-full by their employers.

Yeah, I mean specialized professional degrees (especial post grad ones) are going to have a higher percentage of sucess because you are learning a particular trade, but lib arts degrees make up lots of people in positions too, it just doesn't secure you the coushy job right out of uni.
 
2010-08-12 09:52:26 AM  

sprawl15: ROBO-Jesus: Hey, and if we had heavy tariffs on imports, we'd have no unemployment, because all those factories in China would be over here! Wal-Mart would be nothing but "Made with pride in the USA."

Boy, it sure is fun to think like a 19th century conservative!

Funny, I reread my post and didn't see a single thing about tariffs. But, after reading your post, it sounds like you're perfectly fine with racist minimum wage laws. You know, the laws that drastically hurt minorities and poor people while not affecting the upper crust? But keep farkin' that red herring, pony boy.


Unsupported assertion is unsupported.

Are you asserting that businesses are just aching to provide millions of $3/hr jobs?

Are you asserting that businesses who are optimally staffed now will take on the added expense of paying some 16 y/o $3/hr if only minimum wage were ended?
 
2010-08-12 09:52:58 AM  

stpickrell: If you graduate with $50k of student loan debt and a BA in some generic field, you're narrowing your job opportunities (you gotta take a job where you can make the student loan payments) and chances to enjoy life after graduation (gotta live at home to save money).


If you graduate with $50k of student loan debt for a generic BA you are doing it wrong.
 
2010-08-12 09:55:11 AM  

zamboni: Selling butter-$10 a week

Seriously... one of the better paying jobs on the list?

Unless, of course, "selling butter" is one of those crazy early 20th century euphemisms for something else. If ya know what I mean, and I think ya do. "She was ostracized by her family when it was found she was selling butter."


Maybe it's a link off of 'butterface'. Like getting a blowjob from a facially wrecked college girl. "She wasn't much to look at, but she sold me some sweet butter."
 
2010-08-12 09:56:09 AM  

lilplatinum: stpickrell: If you graduate with $50k of student loan debt and a BA in some generic field, you're narrowing your job opportunities (you gotta take a job where you can make the student loan payments) and chances to enjoy life after graduation (gotta live at home to save money).

If you graduate with $50k of student loan debt for a generic BA you are doing it wrong.


Only if you don't continue towards terminal degree. Technical degrees are better if you want something quick.
 
2010-08-12 09:56:47 AM  

stpickrell: Unsupported assertion is unsupported.

Are you asserting that businesses are just aching to provide millions of $3/hr jobs?

Are you asserting that businesses who are optimally staffed now will take on the added expense of paying some 16 y/o $3/hr if only minimum wage were ended?


Minimum wage laws mean if your skillset is not worth $7.25/hr, you are unemployable. There's plenty of niche crappy jobs out there that could exist if the minimum wage law requirement didn't exist. When minimum wage laws were implemented, the vast majority of people who were put out of work were minorities or young people, both of which are severely underskilled.

Previous to minimum wage laws, a proactive underskilled person could work a few small jobs for low pay, making a small amount of money, and could save up to put themselves through some form of job training. Now, your skillset is either worth $7.25/hr, or you can never get a job.
 
2010-08-12 09:57:29 AM  
Is this the thread where we post our success stories and lament others for having a crappy degree?? Oh, good.

I got my BS in Healthcare Administration and I owe $0.00 in student loans!
 
2010-08-12 09:58:06 AM  
I have a music degree (BM) (I wore pink tassles at graduation)
I have a job with opportunity for promotion
and I have benefits
I can also pursue my *dreams*
quiet down about lib arts degrees, if you know how to find employers who are hiring and can talk to people, you'll get a job. :P
I happen to think philosophy is important.
I heard from an older gentleman that lawyers and doctors don't make as much as they used to. Maybe because everybody decided to be one.
 
2010-08-12 09:58:24 AM  

digistil: Only if you don't continue towards terminal degree. Technical degrees are better if you want something quick.


Going 50k in debt in undergrad is fairly idiotic no matter what your degree is, since it is completely avoidable. I worked through college and ended 20k in debt and would have been less than that if I didn't develop a bit of a blow habit one semester.
 
2010-08-12 09:59:15 AM  

digistil: Ridicule = butthurt, when the only thing linking you to it is the ridicule.

FTFA


Someone in here is butthurt. That much is sure.
 
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