Bollocks.

What a bunch of frags.

log_jammin: MPAA gives "The Tillman Story," a documentary about the death of Pat Tillman and the ensuing coverup, an R rating for having the truth in it. The scariest thing of all.

Fixed.

I'm assuming.

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To be fair, his daughter could still see it. He just has to be with her. But the ratings system really is a joke. Considering some of the movies that somehow squeak by with a PG13, it's insane that this is an R just over language.

May I suggest "This Film Is Not Yet Rated"? (pops)

cheap_thoughts: May I suggest "This Film Is Not Yet Rated"? (pops)

No.

cheap_thoughts: May I suggest "This Film Is Not Yet Rated"? (pops)

Excellent suggestion, allow me to spoil it. A virtually identical circumstance is discussed in that documentary about another documentary, Gunner Palace. The ultimate resolution came when the theater owners overruled the dubious, and ridiculous, religious council that hands out ratings. PG-13. Same thing will probably happen, but the fact of the matter is life would just be better if Jesus would stay in his own farking house and his followers would just off themselves.

"Freedom isn't free..."

/it's up around 11 bucks now
//plus popcorn

SnakeMan: It's late, and at first I thought this was about the Emmett Till Story, which would have been a more noble cause.

Yeah, the military covered up an ACCIDENTAL killing. It's a national shame. Give me a break. If it had been an intentional killing that was covered up, then you would have something. As it is, I have much bigger fish to fry when it comes to the so-called war on terror, such as how the Pakis are taking billions of our foreign aid while simultaneously aiding the Taliban. Why doesn't somebody make a documentary about that? I guess because it doesn't involve football stars no one can be bothered to care.

No one in the US knew who Tillman was before he got killed. Suddenly, some dude who played NFL football got killed. HOLY LORD! Who the hell is this Tillman guy?

I ran in Pat's Run and after we finished, a bunch of people got free screening tickets to see it back in like April.

They mention it in the movie about language not being an issue with the family so yea... they say f____ ...

a lot...

10/10 documentary though. Palin doesn't know shiat about being a "pitbull" but Tillman's mom certainly does.

SnakeMan: It's late, and at first I thought this was about the Emmett Till Story, which would have been a more noble cause.

Yeah, the military covered up an ACCIDENTAL killing. It's a national shame. Give me a break. If it had been an intentional killing that was covered up, then you would have something.

Actually there is quite a bit of conjecture that it was'nt simply an accidental shooting. Quite a bit of evidence points to the fact that the events surrounding Tillman's death was completely staged/arranged after his death to hide what really happened. Whatever that might have been. The problem with coverup's is you never find out the whole truth, even if part of it eventually comes out.

log_jammin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I don't get the problem.

R rating = less cash.

They can spin it all they want, but that's the only reason they're appealing.

You know a lot of 17yr olds who are going to check this out?

I think an R-rating will attract more people since people know it won't be watered down, or muted.

I think this appeal is about publicity.

log_jammin: You think 17 year olds won't go see a "war movie"?

No I think they won't go see a documentary.

Even a documentary about someone who died in a war.

Why do all those military portraits make the soldiers look like scared brainwashed idiots?

Considering the original title was "I'm Pat F**king Tillman" I'm not surprised by the rating.

Sun God: No one in the US knew who Tillman was before he got killed. Suddenly, some dude who played NFL football got killed. HOLY LORD! Who the hell is this Tillman guy?

I knew who he was, and I don't even live in Arizona

habitual_masticator: Sun God: No one in the US knew who Tillman was before he got killed. Suddenly, some dude who played NFL football got killed. HOLY LORD! Who the hell is this Tillman guy?

I knew who he was, and I don't even live in Arizona

Most people didn't know who he was until he got killed.

Sun God: habitual_masticator: Sun God: No one in the US knew who Tillman was before he got killed. Suddenly, some dude who played NFL football got killed. HOLY LORD! Who the hell is this Tillman guy?

I knew who he was, and I don't even live in Arizona

Most people didn't know who he was until he got killed.

Again, no. His story was widely covered when he and his brother enlisted. Pretty much anyone who saw a NFL game from 2001 - 2003 had at least a casual acquaintance with his story.

habitual_masticator: Sun God: habitual_masticator: Sun God: No one in the US knew who Tillman was before he got killed. Suddenly, some dude who played NFL football got killed. HOLY LORD! Who the hell is this Tillman guy?

I knew who he was, and I don't even live in Arizona

Most people didn't know who he was until he got killed.

Again, no. His story was widely covered when he and his brother enlisted. Pretty much anyone who saw a NFL game from 2001 - 2003 had at least a casual acquaintance with his story.

Which NFL team won the Super Bowl in 2001?

No one ever heard about Patrick Tillman until he died.

Sun God: No one ever heard about Patrick Tillman until he died.

Just say "I" never heard of Tillman, you're not everybody

Unless they have changed membership, the panel which decides movie ratings, largely to "protect the children" has zero parents of children young enough to be affected by ratings.

They also blatantly disregard the rules about how long one can serve on the panel, possibly because, for many of these dimwits, this is the only job they could get.

Tat'dGreaser: Is this the "ZOMG HE WAS GOING TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH ABOUT IRAQ WHILE HE WAS IN AFGHANISTAN SO THEY KILLED HIM DURING AN INTENSE FIREFIGHT WITH THE ENEMY AND THEN THEY COVERED IT UP BECAUSE HE HAD TERRIFIC JAWBONE STRUCTURE AND NATIONAL FAME" documentary?

What that one dude said, it was a horrible accident and they freaked and tried to cover it up because he was a poster boy. It sucks and people should get fired over it, but that doesn't bring the guy back.

So, we should just let it slip under the rug that the government covered up the real events of his death and exploited his death and milked his name for all it was worth in a ploy to make him a supporter of the war when, in fact, he was not?

Yeah, we should totally forget about that.

/yeah, it doesn't bring him back
//but it allows him to rest in peace
///The truth will out

habitual_masticator: Sun God: No one ever heard about Patrick Tillman until he died.

Just say "I" never heard of Tillman, you're not everybody

He was mediocre linebacker. Just because some quasi-famous dude is dead from friendly fire, doesn't make him a hero.

Sun God: He was mediocre linebacker. Just because some quasi-famous dude is dead from friendly fire, doesn't make him a hero.

Ok, did you pack your lunch or walk to school? Were we talking about how good a linebacker he was or if no one was aware of him before his death, or just you? And I don't think we discussing his qualifications as a hero either. Try and stay on topic or adjust your meds.

habitual_masticator: Sun God: He was mediocre linebacker. Just because some quasi-famous dude is dead from friendly fire, doesn't make him a hero.

Ok, did you pack your lunch or walk to school? Were we talking about how good a linebacker he was or if no one was aware of him before his death, or just you? And I don't think we discussing his qualifications as a hero either. Try and stay on topic or adjust your meds.

What was the topic?

Sun God: habitual_masticator: Sun God: No one ever heard about Patrick Tillman until he died.

Just say "I" never heard of Tillman, you're not everybody

He was mediocre linebacker. Just because some quasi-famous dude is dead from friendly fire, doesn't make him a hero.

He was a safety. He played linebacker in college. And anyone who watched ANY type of NFL pregame coverage knew who he was well before his death. Seriously, his story was everywhere. That foot of yours should just make its way to the mouth now.

seabass242: Sun God: habitual_masticator: Sun God: No one ever heard about Patrick Tillman until he died.

Just say "I" never heard of Tillman, you're not everybody

He was mediocre linebacker. Just because some quasi-famous dude is dead from friendly fire, doesn't make him a hero.

He was a safety. He played linebacker in college. And anyone who watched ANY type of NFL pregame coverage knew who he was well before his death. Seriously, his story was everywhere. That foot of yours should just make its way to the mouth now.

Okay. He's dead. Do you know who else is dead?

Sun God:
No one ever I never heard about Patrick Tillman until he died.

FTFY

Outside of the walls of your mom's basement... there's an entire world out there.


The point of the books, movie, et al., about Tillman's death is not because he was an NFL player when he died. It's the great lengths that the government went to turn the friendly fire incident into a war hero story to drum up support for a war that was losing momentum.

People made a big deal about the "ambush" that led to Jessica Lynch's capture and heroic rescue. Similar to Tillman's death, the government stretched the truth to generate more support for the War on Terrorism^TM

NFL fans, which is to say about one in however many people, knew of him prior to his death. Seriously.

His death was milked for propaganda for months, hero talk all around.

The family kept pointing out he was about to start talking about how much the war was a mistake.

The narratives being sold about our patriotic football player sacrificing his up and coming career to go be a hero for George Bush's war wouldn't have been helped a whole lot if this same telegenic articulate football player had been discharged then started showing up on the talk show circuit telling of his actual experiences.

I don't know if he was intentionally killed or not, I do know his death was exploited a lot by the military, a heroes death etc etc. And the truth was he got shot by his own guys, which was never told til it leaked out.

I know you being about 12 at the time some of this is hard to keep up with, but just give it a try.

Sun God:

Successful troll is successful.

I still love how Top Gun was PG and it had as much cussing as Beverly Hills Cop.

goofycaca: Sun God:

Successful troll is successful.

Interestingly, I'm not trolling.

goofycaca: Sun God:

Successful troll is successful.

Yeah, I see him trolling other threads now, and wish I hadn't bit. Too many trolls on fark these days.

seabass242: goofycaca: Sun God:

Successful troll is successful.

Yeah, I see him trolling other threads now, and wish I hadn't bit. Too many trolls on fark these days.

OOOhhhh! I'm trolling on other threads? Which ones?

Hmm...I remember it being covered extensively as a 'patriotic' story, both by the NFL and everyday media. You know, back when Bush had a 90% approval rating. His death was covered a lot less.

sn0wblind: Hmm...I remember it being covered extensively as a 'patriotic' story, both by the NFL and everyday media. You know, back when Bush had a 90% approval rating. His death was covered a lot less.

I guess you're a troll who believes Tillman died accidently.

sn0wblind: Hmm...I remember it being covered extensively as a 'patriotic' story, both by the NFL and everyday media. You know, back when Bush had a 90% approval rating. His death was covered a lot less.

You know, I was irritated as hell that Tillman's death was turned into an ugly nationalistic PR stunt, and I was sickened by the cover up.

But then I saw Dark Knight and realized that covering up Harvey Dent's final dark days was a necessary evil.

Those two things are the same, right?

Yeah, I probably should have backed away a little sooner

This thread will end with certainty. And probably stupidity.

I agree with this, actually. We can't have young people seeing things like that. It might cause them to question things that shouldn't be questioned.