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(Politico)   Huckabee: Muslims aren't Americans. Well, yeah. Muslims hate dogs, while Americans choke them to death, right Huck?   (politico.com ) divider line
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2010-08-10 05:19:16 PM  
Even if the Muslims have the right to build it, don't they do more to serve the public interest by exercising the responsible judgement to not build it, given that it's really offensive to most New Yorkers and Americans? Or is it just that we can offend Americans and Christians, but not foreigners and Muslims?"

What's this we shiat, Kemosabe?
 
2010-08-10 05:21:56 PM  
I guess Huckabee isn't too familiar with the phrase that goes something like "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
 
2010-08-10 05:26:17 PM  
Like Hispanic-Americans, Muslim-Americans SHOULD be a natural fit with the GOP -- strong religious backgrounds, generally socially conservative, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant families for whom the idea of extreme capitalism holds great promise.

Like Hispanic-Americans, Muslim-Americans have been completely alienated, stereotyped, persecuted and smeared by the mainstream GOP, ensuring that they'll put their votes to the Democratic candidates or to no candidates at all.

GOP -- White, Protestant Family Values. All other families need not apply.
 
2010-08-10 05:26:47 PM  
What's all this being offended bullshiat? I thought the GOP was the party of those that don't abide political correctness.
 
2010-08-10 05:29:17 PM  

exick: What's all this being offended bullshiat? I thought the GOP was the party of those that don't abide political correctness.


It's not political correctness when WE do it.

It's not infidelity when WE do it.

It's not ballooning the deficit when WE do it.
 
2010-08-10 05:44:18 PM  
www.progressiveislam.org

While your son was torturing animals for fun, her son was being laid to rest at Arlington.
 
2010-08-10 05:45:57 PM  
I'm hoping the mosque does get built, just so I can see a riot tear that farker down.
 
2010-08-10 05:54:46 PM  
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
 
2010-08-10 05:57:58 PM  
I didn't leave the house yesterday. Sarah Palin and Huckabee were both in town and there was a level 5 stupid alert.
 
2010-08-10 06:00:04 PM  
It really does seem this country is starting to crack.
 
2010-08-10 06:00:51 PM  
If anything, not to spite the Muslims trying to build a mosque or anything, but for obvious reasons, we should be putting up a church at ground zero. If Muslims want to symbolize their country in the form of a mosque, we should be symbolizing the United States with a church, because Christianity is the religion of America, not Islam, and no matter how many mosques go down, that won't change.
 
2010-08-10 06:04:17 PM  
don't they do more to serve the public interest by exercising the responsible judgement to not build it, given that it's really offensive to most New Yorkers and Americans?

Oh, the oft-cited "don't do it because it offends New Yorkers" amendment.
 
2010-08-10 06:04:55 PM  

Quasar: don't they do more to serve the public interest by exercising the responsible judgement to not build it, given that it's really offensive to most New Yorkers and Americans?

Oh, the oft-cited "don't do it because it offends New Yorkers" amendment.


Not to mention, this doesn't offend New Yorkers at all. It offends conservatives who don't live in New York.
 
2010-08-10 06:06:26 PM  
As I've been saying all day: We don't need a mosque near the site. We need a mosque, a gay leather bar, a medical marijuana dispensary, an occult bookstore, a Planned Parenthood office, two strip clubs, and a branch office of the Workers of the World Party.
 
2010-08-10 06:07:28 PM  

dj_bigbird: I guess Huckabee isn't too familiar with the phrase that goes something like "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."


Uh, that's exactly what he's saying. That they have a right to do it, but they might be better served by not exercising that right.

That doesn't mean he wants to prevent them to.

ignite ice: we should be symbolizing the United States with a church, because Christianity is the religion of America, not Islam, and no matter how many mosques go down, that won't change.


You had a profile filled to the brim with anti-religious quotes, but you've been trolling and pretending to be a xian for a couple of weeks now.

What's your point, trying to make people hate them more? That's pretty farking childish, and your trolling about how you think they think that xianity is the religion of America isn't clever or advancing your cause.

Are you just in it in order to anger people? Is that how you get your kicks?
 
2010-08-10 06:09:09 PM  

tudorgurl: Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


So the Teatards need to add the 1st to their list of Amendments Ruining Our Country: The 4th, 14th, 16th, 17th. And I'm pretty sure the 13th and 19th are on the list, but they don't have the balls or the honesty to say so.
 
2010-08-10 06:16:34 PM  

UNC_Samurai: tudorgurl: Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

So the Teatards need to add the 1st to their list of Amendments Ruining Our Country: The 4th, 14th, 16th, 17th. And I'm pretty sure the 13th and 19th are on the list, but they don't have the balls or the honesty to say so.


Faster to just cross that out and write "anything giving rights to things/people we disagree with." In this recession, you gotta save ink.
 
2010-08-10 06:19:20 PM  
ignite ice : If Muslims want to symbolize their country (Muslamia?)in the form of a mosque, we should be symbolizing the United States with a church, because "Christianity is the religion of America."

Oh really? Read what the guy who wrote our constitution said:

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

-Thomas Jefferson, Dec. 6, 1813.



I'm constantly amazed at people who wield their stupidity like a weapon.
 
2010-08-10 06:20:37 PM  

UNC_Samurai: So the Teatards need to add the 1st to their list of Amendments Ruining Our Country: The 4th, 14th, 16th, 17th. And I'm pretty sure the 13th and 19th are on the list, but they don't have the balls or the honesty to say so.


You forgot the 5th. And the 6th has been chucked as a matter of US policy for some time now. And if there's ever a reasonably popular GOP president in office again, they'll add the 22nd.

DamnYankees: It really does seem this country is starting to crack.


C'mon, what'd make you say that? An economy which is shaky at best, persistent and pervasive unemployment and underemployment, a long-term structural mismatch between old-age entitlements, demographics, and taxation, and one of the two major parties isn't merely flirting with nativist populism but are back at nativist populism's place with its pants off. Sounds like the foundation of a strong, stable society to me!
 
2010-08-10 06:21:44 PM  

UNC_Samurai: As I've been saying all day: We don't need a mosque near the site. We need a mosque, a gay leather bar, a medical marijuana dispensary, an occult bookstore, a Planned Parenthood office, two strip clubs, and a branch office of the Workers of the World Party.


So, essentially Time's Square circa 1972?
 
2010-08-10 06:23:30 PM  

Tatsuma: What's your point, trying to make people hate them more? That's pretty farking childish, and your trolling about how you think they think that xianity is the religion of America isn't clever or advancing your cause.


Tatsuma, you seem unable to cope with differing opinions presented on Fark. Fark is a place for all opinions from all creeds and religious beliefs and faiths. A healthy discussion and a rational conversation is one in which all sides are allowed equal opportunity to present their arguments and viewpoints. It is belittling to everyone to attempt to limit the other side's opinion by attacking them instead of their argument.

I realize this topic is one that raises everyone's temperature, but it's in these moments especially that it is imperative that everyone remain cool and collected. The key to a civil and healthy debate is respect and calmness. If we can all exercise that, I feel that we can be an example on the internet.
 
2010-08-10 06:27:24 PM  
Gingrich is still the winner with this gem: "There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia."

Didn't the guy teach college history or some such? How could he be so stupid?
 
2010-08-10 06:28:34 PM  
Isn't that cute? Huckles thinks he's still relevant.
 
2010-08-10 06:33:04 PM  
You're a self-admitted troll who thinks he's doing a public service

ignite ice: The last thing you said is very important, and it's often why people respond at all. One person said to me, "I know you are probably trolling, but I've got to respond anyway." Obviously a rational person knows they don't really have to respond. Other people will say things like, "I know I shouldn't feed the trolls but," or try to "insult" the "success" of the trolling by replying with things like, "You're a terrible troll," "You're getting old," "That was weak," "I live with my mom," etc. as if these have any quantifiable meaning to them.

Now, you could measure the number of people who reply to a troll, but even if no one replied, you couldn't possible measure how many people read it but refrained from replying. If the irrational person says, "I know you're a troll but I just have to respond," then the rational person says, "I know you're a troll, but I don't need to respond," and doesn't. Successful troll? Perhaps, because they still read the message, and success of a troll is not measured only in how many responses one gets, but also by how many people it reaches. In that sense, it doesn't matter if someone views the troll attempt as a failure. The fact that they viewed it as anything is enough. That's the very essence of trolling. You want to lure people toward your message. Obviously some people put trolls on ignore, or they don't bother reading it at all. This could be for any number of reasons, and it's impossible to know.

Fuller said something very important...

Fuller: I'm aware ignite is a troll. I respond as if he wasn't, anyway. Because whats the difference? How is it a troll getting bites if it in all ways resembles a typical exchange?


In other words, someone is wrong on the internet and I have to let them know. That's okay, debates are fun, but this isn't really a debate. I am not here to debate. I'm here to offer a perspective. It's an illogical, irrational one, but it's a perspective.

However, it's important to note that, if there's no difference between my posts and someone who is sincere with the same message, then there is also no difference between someone's replies -- whether they know a person is trolling or not. It doesn't make it less of a bite just because they know the person they are responding to is trolling. That's why people preface it, as I mentioned, with things like, "I know you're trolling, but I have to respond anyway." It's their own personal justification.


The worst thing than a troll? Someone who tries to intellectually justify it and feels it's important to do it.
 
2010-08-10 06:34:27 PM  

CitizenTed: Gingrich is still the winner with this gem: "There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia."

Didn't the guy teach college history or some such? How could he be so stupid?


Uh, he's right. There are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia.
 
2010-08-10 06:36:13 PM  

Tatsuma: CitizenTed: Gingrich is still the winner with this gem: "There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia."

Didn't the guy teach college history or some such? How could he be so stupid?

Uh, he's right. There are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia.


Therefore, we should adopt their system of government. It's obvious!
 
2010-08-10 06:37:03 PM  

Tatsuma: CitizenTed: Gingrich is still the winner with this gem: "There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia."

Didn't the guy teach college history or some such? How could he be so stupid?

Uh, he's right.


Aside from suggesting we should take our notion of rights from Saudi Arabia.
 
2010-08-10 06:39:00 PM  

DamnYankees: Therefore, we should adopt their system of government. It's obvious!


... and why are you making that leap?

He seemed to think that he was historically wrong about that statement, but Newt is right. That's all I said.
 
2010-08-10 06:39:35 PM  
Also, Newt is the stupidest of names. Urgh.

Newt newt newt newt. fark that.
 
2010-08-10 06:40:31 PM  

Tatsuma: He seemed to think that he was historically wrong about that statement, but Newt is right. That's all I said.


I presume he made the "teach college history" reference not to connect the history aspect, but to connect Newt's supposed intelligence to such a stupid thing to say.
 
2010-08-10 06:41:08 PM  

Tatsuma: Uh, he's right. There are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia.


Sure, it's factually correct. It's just irrelevant.

Saudi Arabia's rabidly fundamentalist. Why should we emulate their idiotic fundamentalist bullsh*t? We're a land of religious freedom.
 
2010-08-10 06:41:17 PM  

Quasar: I presume he made the "teach college history" reference not to connect the history aspect, but to connect Newt's supposed intelligence to such a stupid thing to say.


Has he been to a college recently? You don't exactly need to be Einstein to teach in one.
 
2010-08-10 06:43:29 PM  
Meh. I see how you're parsing that quote, subby, but I don't agree.

I wouldn't vote for Huckabee if there were a gun to my head. I disagree with his assessment of this situation also. But I am quite sure that he wasn't trying to suggest the message you're hinting at.
 
2010-08-10 06:49:46 PM  

Tatsuma:
Uh, he's right. There are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia.


And America holds itself out to be better than them. Suggesting that we should only be as tolerant as a corrupt theocracy will be is fairly dumb, whether from a "shining city on a hill" perspective or a public policy perspective.
 
2010-08-10 06:51:57 PM  
Tatsuma: Uh, he's right. There are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia.

Wrong.
Riyadh has three chapels frequented by military personnel and their families.
 
2010-08-10 06:58:06 PM  

ignite ice: I'm hoping the mosque does get built, just so I can see a riot tear that farker down.


Nice Freudian slip.

Will right-wing tears be enough to wash it away?
 
2010-08-10 06:58:59 PM  
Huck? Here's how I know that you're not ready to be President yet:

www.mediabistro.com

That would be one of the things you'd swear to protect.

You like the First Amendment when it protects Christians' right to assemble and protest their government's actions, and worship how they will, then that sort of means that you have to protect the Wiccans', the Muslims' and even the dirty, dirty, dirty Catholics too.
 
2010-08-10 07:04:50 PM  

House of Tards: Tatsuma:
Uh, he's right. There are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia.

And America holds itself out to be better than them. Suggesting that we should only be as tolerant as a corrupt theocracy will be is fairly dumb, whether from a "shining city on a hill" perspective or a public policy perspective.


THIS.

I was going to preemptively describe why Gingrich's statement was stupid, but I wanted to see who would fail to understand WHY Gingrich's statement was stupid. And Tatsuma - you're the winner!
 
2010-08-10 07:10:06 PM  

UNC_Samurai: As I've been saying all day: We don't need a mosque near the site. We need a mosque, a gay leather bar, a medical marijuana dispensary, an occult bookstore, a Planned Parenthood office, two strip clubs, and a branch office of the Workers of the World Party.


However, this all needs to be part of the tallest building ever, so I propose we put the Planned Parenthood office on the bottom (because we don't want to make expectant mothers have to walk any further than they should have to), followed by the Medical Marijuana store (because some of them may be in pain, and we want them to be able to get in and out), followed by the two strip clubs, then the office for the Workers of the World Party, then the occult bookstore, then the gay leather bar, then the mosque at the very top.
 
2010-08-10 07:20:22 PM  

FireBreathingLiberal: Riyadh has three chapels frequented by military personnel and their families.


On US bases.

impaler: Will right-wing tears be enough to wash it away?


He's a left-wing atheist troll.
 
2010-08-10 07:27:34 PM  

ignite ice: UNC_Samurai: As I've been saying all day: We don't need a mosque near the site. We need a mosque, a gay leather bar, a medical marijuana dispensary, an occult bookstore, a Planned Parenthood office, two strip clubs, and a branch office of the Workers of the World Party.

However, this all needs to be part of the tallest building ever, so I propose we put the Planned Parenthood office on the bottom (because we don't want to make expectant mothers have to walk any further than they should have to), followed by the Medical Marijuana store (because some of them may be in pain, and we want them to be able to get in and out), followed by the two strip clubs, then the office for the Workers of the World Party, then the occult bookstore, then the gay leather bar, then the mosque at the very top.


If they'd put it on the bottom, these girls wouldn't be pregnant in the first place.
 
2010-08-10 07:29:29 PM  

Tatsuma: He's a left-wing atheist troll.


i1007.photobucket.com
 
2010-08-10 07:31:19 PM  

Paris1127: If they'd put it on the bottom, these girls wouldn't be pregnant in the first place.


Well, you know, on second thought, we could put the Planned Parenthood right above the mosque, because that way, all the girls who are pregnant (out of wedlock of course) will be stoned to death on the way to the office.
 
2010-08-10 07:33:09 PM  

ignite ice: If anything, not to spite the Muslims trying to build a mosque or anything, but for obvious reasons, we should be putting up a church at ground zero. If Muslims want to symbolize their country in the form of a mosque, we should be symbolizing the United States with a church, because Christianity is the religion of America, not Islam, and no matter how many mosques go down, that won't change.


oh go away, you troll
 
2010-08-10 07:38:09 PM  
Stop feeding the troll
 
2010-08-10 07:45:48 PM  
Fark.com: where someone you disagree with is synonymous with a troll.

Yes, everyone who says The United States is a Christian nation is a troll. They couldn't possibly actually believe that. Nope, they must be trying to troll you, because no one has differing views.
 
2010-08-10 07:51:59 PM  

ignite ice: Fark.com: where someone you disagree with is synonymous with a troll.

Yes, everyone who says The United States is a Christian nation is a troll. They couldn't possibly actually believe that. Nope, they must be trying to troll you, because no one has differing views.


Well you could actually admit you're that stupid. we were just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
 
2010-08-10 08:07:46 PM  
I don't see how me being a Christian invalidates my opinion that the US is a Christian nation and was founded on Christian morals and the teachings of Christ. I find it quite ironic that you would want to support tolerance of religions, so you feel obligated to allow Islams to drop a mosque on an almost sacred ground, where a symbol of the US was destroyed by them, and yet you seem opposed to the idea I've presented that we should be erecting a church there instead. So you think a mosque symbolizes America better than a church? You'd rather see Islams go to a mosque and pray to Allah, thanking him for destroying the twin towers, then see Americans go to a church in the same location and pray for even the terrorists, that they may, in time, recognize that Islam is a religion of violence, and Christianity is a religion of forgiveness and salvation?
 
2010-08-10 08:30:11 PM  

ignite ice: I don't see how me being a Christian invalidates my opinion that the US is a Christian nation and was founded on Christian morals and the teachings of Christ. I find it quite ironic that you would want to support tolerance of religions, so you feel obligated to allow Islams to drop a mosque on an almost sacred ground, where a symbol of the US was destroyed by them, and yet you seem opposed to the idea I've presented that we should be erecting a church there instead. So you think a mosque symbolizes America better than a church? You'd rather see Islams go to a mosque and pray to Allah, thanking him for destroying the twin towers, then see Americans go to a church in the same location and pray for even the terrorists, that they may, in time, recognize that Islam is a religion of violence, and Christianity is a religion of forgiveness and salvation?


Is English not your first language?
 
2010-08-10 08:30:27 PM  

ignite ice: derp


bonus quotes: "allow Islams to drop a mosque..." "see Islams go to a mosque" "Christianity is a religion of forgiveness and salvation"

awesome. Please tell me that you believe that all Muslims are terrorists.
 
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