bigdavediode: nosferatublue: Holy crap, does that happen every time you open your mouth?

Alright, so tell us your insight of the Federalist Papers -- what basic themes did they hit?

"yes" would have sufficed

g4lt: "yes" would have sufficed

Asking a Libertarian a question is almost the meanest thing a person can do.

Campaigns, how do they farking work!

bigdavediode: nosferatublue: Holy crap, does that happen every time you open your mouth?

Alright, so tell us your insight of the Federalist Papers -- what basic themes did they hit?

Haha, so today is the day we all have to write Fark Essays to demonstrate how YOUR idiotic, unproveable generalizations are false? You wish.

Rand Paul is trying to fuse Libertarian, Populist, and Conservative strains of the GOP

which is the smart thing to do in most republican elections

The Homer Tax: nosferatublue: Actually, Rand Paul pretty much says he IS a libertarian, but that he doesn't use the word to describe himself because most folks don't actually know what the word means.

Which is true.

See, I read it the exact opposite way. He's pretty much saying that he *is* a Libertarian, but as people are finding out what that actually means he needs to change the label to something that's more politically viable.

To be fairs, he's a "pick & choose" Libertarian. He's libertarian - until it comes to immigration law. Until it comes to abortion law. Until it comes to drug law. Until it comes to defense and foreign policy.
Not much of a "libertarian", really.

nosferatublue: bigdavediode: nosferatublue: Holy crap, does that happen every time you open your mouth?

Alright, so tell us your insight of the Federalist Papers -- what basic themes did they hit?

Haha, so today is the day we all have to write Fark Essays to demonstrate how YOUR idiotic, unproveable generalizations are false? You wish.

Personally I think a summary will do fine. You're obviously well versed in them and can easily summarize how he is wrong.

A small paragraph should do the trick and won't be too difficult I imagine.

nosferatublue: bigdavediode: nosferatublue: Holy crap, does that happen every time you open your mouth?

Alright, so tell us your insight of the Federalist Papers -- what basic themes did they hit?

Haha, so today is the day we all have to write Fark Essays to demonstrate how YOUR idiotic, unproveable generalizations are false? You wish.

Here, let me help you -- there were five basic themes in the Federalist Papers, I'll even give you a couple: separated powers, representation, pluralism and two more...

You're not doing a very good job of disproving my assertion that Libertarians are utterly ignorant of history and haven't read the Federalist Papers, ie. buffoons who are only deserving of laughter and mockery.

jso2897: To be fairs, he's a "pick & choose" Libertarian. He's libertarian - until it comes to immigration law. Until it comes to abortion law. Until it comes to drug law. Until it comes to defense and foreign policy.
Not much of a "libertarian", really.

But that sounds exactly like any Libertarian, they love their Libertarianism and then ignore their exceptions.

I swear - by my life and my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

Kali-Yuga: I swear - by my life and my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

You are a rock. You are an island.

I see that photo of smirky Rand Paul, and then on the same page I see a photo of an impoverished baby with a cleft lip, and I know that Paul and his ilk would just as soon drop-kick that baby into a sewer.

He's not a libertarian. But I'd hold my nose and vote for him if he were running in Illinois. As objectionable as some of his crap is, it smells a whole lot better than the crap coming from our candidates.

Philip Francis Queeg: Kali-Yuga: I swear - by my life and my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

You are a rock. You are an island.

He feels no pain, and he never cries.

Huggermugger: I see that photo of smirky Rand Paul, and then on the same page I see a photo of an impoverished baby with a cleft lip, and I know that Paul and his ilk would just as soon drop-kick that baby into a sewer.

That is so not fair. They wouldn't harm the baby, they'd just leave it in the sewer. If it's worthwhile, it'll figure out a way to crawl out.

pootsie: He feels no pain, and he never cries.

He likes big booties and cannot lie.

So I guess nosferatublue is busy working on that essay?

bigdavediode: jso2897: To be fairs, he's a "pick & choose" Libertarian. He's libertarian - until it comes to immigration law. Until it comes to abortion law. Until it comes to drug law. Until it comes to defense and foreign policy.
Not much of a "libertarian", really.

But that sounds exactly like any Libertarian, they love their Libertarianism and then ignore their exceptions.

That didn't infect the actual Libertarian party until the right started to co-opt the party back in the nineties - which is when I quit. They are just "GOP lite", now. Sadly, while what you say didn't used to be true, it is now.
I mean, Bob Motherf**king BARR?!?!?! Really? Just, no.
Nah - the real Libertarian movement is as dead as the New Left - and for the same reason. People are scared of anyone's liberty but their own.

pootsie: So I guess nosferatublue is busy working on that essay googling the answer?

pootsie: Philip Francis Queeg: Kali-Yuga: I swear - by my life and my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

You are a rock. You are an island.

He feels no pain, and he never cries.

And the words of his prophet are urine on a subway wall.

pootsie: So I guess nosferatublue is busy working on that essay?

He's doing extensive Googlerific research, which also shows that the average Libertarian is too stupid to use Google.

bigdavediode: The Homer Tax: IOW, He's what I call "A Republican."

Or an "asshole."

Redundant.

bigdavediode: Huggermugger: I see that photo of smirky Rand Paul, and then on the same page I see a photo of an impoverished baby with a cleft lip, and I know that Paul and his ilk would just as soon drop-kick that baby into a sewer.

That is so not fair. They wouldn't harm the baby, they'd just leave it in the sewer. If it's worthwhile, it'll figure out a way to crawl out.

If the kid wants it's cleft lip fixed it should get a job and pay for it. If the dead hand of government stopped oppressing our noble businesses and repealed the tyrannical child labor laws, the free market would take care of this situation.

jso2897: That didn't infect the actual Libertarian party until the right started to co-opt the party back in the nineties - which is when I quit. They are just "GOP lite", now. Sadly, while what you say didn't used to be true, it is now.

The actual philosophy is utterly incoherent, so I can't imagine that the Republicans can damage it any.

Philip Francis Queeg: If the kid wants it's cleft lip fixed it should get a job and pay for it. If the dead hand of government stopped oppressing our noble businesses and repealed the tyrannical child labor laws, the free market would take care of this situation.

Look buddy, there are plenty of private charities that fix cleft lip problems, which is why there are no cleft lip problems right now. Or there wouldn't be if it were for that damn government and those meddling kids!

On the bright side, at least he's not Barry Obama.

The Homer Tax: mediablitz: I'd hate to have anyone digging around in my past during my twenties.

You probably shouldn't run for any public office then, let alone United States Senator.

LOL. Yeah, I'M smart enough to realize that. When you come from a privileged background like Rand, you just assume you can do whatever you want with no consequences.

I once went on a beer run with my Canadian friend. When she got carded, the clerk saw the Nova Scotia license and asked us if they spoke English there.

My friend went "um...yeah"

The other clerk snapped at us and said "well, not everyone knows ALL of the countries".

This is the kind of people we deal with here in KY. I am going to absolutely hate to call this twerp my Senator.

I believe he's going to win it. He's ahead in the polls here in KY. It may be close, but Rand Paul's got it. This state is as red as they come. Plus, Conway simply does not have enough of a profile, and he's tangled up in some kind of tiff with Dan Mongiardo, who ran against him in the Democratic primary and has still not endorsed Conway.

Biden was flat out dreaming when he said there was no way in hell Rand Paul was going to win it. He's completely unfamiliar with KY politics. Let's not forget; this is the State that has sent Mitch McConnell back to Washington time and time again.

Ron T Davenport: On the bright side, at least he's not Barry Obama.

Do you mean Barritone SoroFartboooma?

jso2897: I mean, Bob Motherf**king BARR?!?!?! Really? Just, no.

This is all that needs to be said about the Libertarian Party today. They nominated Bob Barr. As a Libertarian. As in, a person who wants to protect our liberty. Bob Barr. Former drug warrior and author of the Defense of Marriage Act. This is the guy they nominated to run under the Libertarian banner for President. All this, and they still expect people to pretend that they are anything other than a slightly-less-overrun-with-psychotic-Christians GOP. fark them.

Zerochance: Biden was flat out dreaming when he said there was no way in hell Rand Paul was going to win it. He's completely unfamiliar with KY politics. Let's not forget; this is the State that has sent Mitch McConnell back to Washington time and time again.

This is the state where there is an actual law against fishing with a bow and arrow.

naptapper: I like Rand Paul. I like new ideas.

But Rand Paul claims all his ideas were invented in the 18th century.

bigdavediode: Zerochance: Biden was flat out dreaming when he said there was no way in hell Rand Paul was going to win it. He's completely unfamiliar with KY politics. Let's not forget; this is the State that has sent Mitch McConnell back to Washington time and time again.

This is the state where there is an actual law against fishing with a bow and arrow.

Wait, this was a big enough problem to make a law for it?

Zerochance: I once went on a beer run with my Canadian friend. When she got carded, the clerk saw the Nova Scotia license and asked us if they spoke English there.

My friend went "um...yeah"

The other clerk snapped at us and said "well, not everyone knows ALL of the countries".

This is the kind of people we deal with here in KY. I am going to absolutely hate to call this twerp my Senator.

To be fair, the vast majority of Americans, even educated ones, know very little of Canadian geography.

bigdavediode: jso2897: That didn't infect the actual Libertarian party until the right started to co-opt the party back in the nineties - which is when I quit. They are just "GOP lite", now. Sadly, while what you say didn't used to be true, it is now.

The actual philosophy is utterly incoherent, so I can't imagine that the Republicans can damage it any.

Well, the old school, core philosophy wasn't all that incoherent - but it was always politically unrealistic -and it was inevitable that "libertarianism" would become a compromised philosophy that is malleable to the purposes of anyone who wants to invoke it. It is fine as an abstract concept of principle - but in the real world, there is no way to translate it INTO a coherent, applied philosophy.
And I do think that, like Marxism, it's no shame to believe and be enamored of it when you are fifteen - but it is something to be outgrown, like acne.

bigdavediode: Ron T Davenport: On the bright side, at least he's not Barry Obama.

Do you mean Barritone SoroFartboooma?

I think he means Barret HuMegatron Onigiri.

MightyPez: bigdavediode: Zerochance: Biden was flat out dreaming when he said there was no way in hell Rand Paul was going to win it. He's completely unfamiliar with KY politics. Let's not forget; this is the State that has sent Mitch McConnell back to Washington time and time again.

This is the state where there is an actual law against fishing with a bow and arrow.

Wait, this was a big enough problem to make a law for it?

Some of those people would fish with nuclear weapons if you let them.

MightyPez: Wait, this was a big enough problem to make a law for it?

"Rough fish may be taken year-round by bow and arrow with line attached. Sport fish may not be taken with a bow and arrow. Bow anglers may use a long bow, recurve bow or compound bow."

Like, seriously, it's farking Kentucky.

Electriclectic: I think he means Barret HuMegatron Onigiri.

Blastcap McPlinsky?

jso2897: That didn't infect the actual Libertarian party until the right started to co-opt the party back in the nineties - which is when I quit. They are just "GOP lite", now. Sadly, while what you say didn't used to be true, it is now.
I mean, Bob Motherf**king BARR?!?!?! Really? Just, no.
Nah - the real Libertarian movement is as dead as the New Left - and for the same reason. People are scared of anyone's liberty but their own.

I gave it up in '92. I was already pretty jaded by the "no, I'M more Libertarian than YOU" bickering that ruled the party (at least in the Bay Area).

And, as a whole, what a miserable group of people. Really self absorbed, angry unhappy people.

thurstonxhowell: jso2897: I mean, Bob Motherf**king BARR?!?!?! Really? Just, no.

This is all that needs to be said about the Libertarian Party today. They nominated Bob Barr. As a Libertarian. As in, a person who wants to protect our liberty. Bob Barr. Former drug warrior and author of the Defense of Marriage Act. This is the guy they nominated to run under the Libertarian banner for President. All this, and they still expect people to pretend that they are anything other than a slightly-less-overrun-with-psychotic-Christians GOP. fark them.

I knew it when they started knob-gobbling Ron Paul. When I read their first monthly bulletin, in which they were shouting his praises, and buried at the back of the bulletin were his views on abortion (that it's "libertarian" for the government to ban it, 'cuz it's murder, Jesus say) I sent in my resignation.

jso2897: Well, the old school, core philosophy wasn't all that incoherent - but it was always politically unrealistic -and it was inevitable that "libertarianism" would become a compromised philosophy that is malleable to the purposes of anyone who wants to invoke it. It is fine as an abstract concept of principle - but in the real world, there is no way to translate it INTO a coherent, applied philosophy.
And I do think that, like Marxism, it's no shame to believe and be enamored of it when you are fifteen - but it is something to be outgrown, like acne.

I agree that it's an unworkable, ridiculous dime-store philosophy. In terms of it's coherence, though, any examination for even a moment reveals internal contradictions, not just in application, but theoretically as well.

For example, if every man is equal how are unequal men or children equal?

A better one would probably be: How does neglect fall into the spectrum of force or fraud?

bigdavediode: jso2897: Well, the old school, core philosophy wasn't all that incoherent - but it was always politically unrealistic -and it was inevitable that "libertarianism" would become a compromised philosophy that is malleable to the purposes of anyone who wants to invoke it. It is fine as an abstract concept of principle - but in the real world, there is no way to translate it INTO a coherent, applied philosophy.
And I do think that, like Marxism, it's no shame to believe and be enamored of it when you are fifteen - but it is something to be outgrown, like acne.

I agree that it's an unworkable, ridiculous dime-store philosophy. In terms of it's coherence, though, any examination for even a moment reveals internal contradictions, not just in application, but theoretically as well.

For example, if every man is equal how are unequal men or children equal?

I wouldn't argue the point with you. The original party charter, as written in 1976 (which is still available online, if you care), doesn't seem all that incoherent or self-contradictory to me. But it's ancient history anyway, and for us to argue about it would be the equivalent of arguing whether napoleon or Sherman was a better general. Today, "libertarianism" is pretty much exactly as you describe it.

Wait, the walrus was Rand Paul?