Erik_Emune: The 9/11 attack was perpetrated by bin Laden, a particularly hard-core Wahhabist fanatic - Wahhabist are hard-core Sunnis, as I'm sure you don't know. The people behind this project are Sufis - neither Sunni nor Shia, but a smaller and frankly pretty laid-back version of Islam.

To help put that in some perspective, this is like complaining about a proposed Mormon church under the theory that they'll be drinking and playing playing loud music at all hours.

Biness: Erik_Emune: Biness: anyone else think its just a little sad that in less than 10 years we can rebuild the buildings there, but the people who brought the buildings down have a church built there?

i'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to, but i do think its sad.

For feck's sake.

The 9/11 attack was perpetrated by bin Laden, a particularly hard-core Wahhabist fanatic - Wahhabist are hard-core Sunnis, as I'm sure you don't know. The people behind this project are Sufis - neither Sunni nor Shia, but a smaller and frankly pretty laid-back version of Islam.

bin Laden would hate these guys. In the eyes of the terrorists, the people behind this project are the worst sort of heretics. Theaters? Swimming pools? Complete anathema to the anti-Western types we're fighting.

Yet, idiots right here in the West continue to insist that all Muslims have to be, must be, one and the same - The Enemy. It's freakin' maddening.

I guess it is time to scratch Freedom of Religion. You can't handle it.

so "not handling it" means that you didn't see the part where i recognized that they shouldn't be barred from doing so right?

I'm actually amazed they need to get it cleared. Can't they just open it? I assumed religious gathering places were exempted from zoning restrictions

People were trying to oppose it on grounds that it was a "historical building"

Wouldn't it be great if the government took this man's home to build a monument to the first amendment.

They should come in the middle of the night give him a check for the value of his home and put him and all his sh*t out in the street.

Biness: anyone else think its just a little sad that in less than 10 years we can rebuild the buildings there, but the people who brought the buildings down have a church built there?

i'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to, but i do think its sad.

Anyone else think it's a little sad that Operation Rescue, the Christian organization who informed Scott Roeder of Dr. Tillman's whereabouts on the day the Dr. was murdered, now has an office in one of Dr. Tillman's old clinics?

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to, but I do think it's sad.

/Sad that the lot of them haven't been arrested
//Yes, Biness--11 people ABSOLUTELY define the other 999,999,989 that practice Islam. Just like Roeder, Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh, Operation Rescue, Army of God, & Westboro Baptist Church define other Christians. Moron.

I posted this in a thread yesterday. Feel the need to do it again this morning.

1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

14th Amendment: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Poison Appleseeds: As soon as people like this are no longer allowed to steal from people in the name of religion then I'll take you Christians seriously.

PitifulBean: EvilEgg: dgc360: Capitalist1: Answer: Stopping enemies from building a base on your home soil.

Question: What is one of the few actual responsibilities of a government?

How do you explain the mosque at the Pentagon, genius?

OMG!!!! They've infiltrated the Pentagon?! I have to assume there a checkpoints to get in and out of it.

mosque? there is a chapel and a prayer room. I haven't seen a mosque.

Because if you haven't seen it, it's not there!

Misch: EvilEgg: So the party of small government wants to use the government to eliminate anything they find slightly distasteful?

Yes.

Tea Partiers have gotten a book banned from libraries in my county.

In New Jersey

To be fair, I used to teach HS English, here in NJ, and all it takes is one parent to complain & the school will pull a book. For instance, I was asked not to teach MacBeth because it had witches & ghosts in it. And that was 15 years ago--long before Teabaggers. A friend works in the Monmouth County library system and says that they get requests all the time to pull books and will more than likely act on it rather than risk bad PR & possibly funding.

So, sadly, that book getting pulled is nothing new. The fact that the asshat who requested it is a Teabagger is merely coincidental.

/If a parent EVER learns that my local library has The Sandman in the Young Adult section, that whole series, and probably every other graphic novel, would definitely be pulled.
//I don't want to tell the library to move it because I don't want to bring that series to their attention. Some dessicated old biddy will yank it.

Tech N9ne: To all you idiots that are offended, try going to a muslim country and building a church or synagogue near a mosque or sacred area, see how well that goes. I swear fark is fill with retards.

Does said Muslim country have freedom of religion rights like our 1st Amendment? This is important to your hypothetical strawman.

I like how we were/ are at war because AMERICANS WILL DIE if we don't protect ourselves from the terrorists. The Republicans shout "SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!!!" "UNLESS YOU'VE SERVED OR LOST A FAMILY MEMBER STFU!!!"

And yet, when women who have lost their children to "protect" us speak out against the war or say anything other than. "he died for freedom" the Republican cowards are out in full force doing everything that they can do to disrespect and dishonor the MOTHERS of these dead soldiers. Cowards who once held Tillman up as a symbol of everything that was right with America now act as if they detest the woman who played a part in raising him into the kind of man who would turn down millions of dollars for the opportunity to fight for his country.

You all are clowns.

thurstonxhowell: brigid_fitch: Anyone else think it's a little sad that Operation Rescue, the Christian organization who informed Scott Roeder of Dr. Tillman's whereabouts on the day the Dr. was murdered, now has an office in one of Dr. Tillman's old clinics?

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to, but I do think it's sad.

You may not be saying it, but I will. Operation Rescue are terrorists. They are murderers. Every last one of them should go to prison. That would solve this whole "office in the building that used to belong to a man who's murder they are responsible for" issue real quick.

That's my point--I absolutely agree that Operation Rescue is a terrorist organization whose members are accomplices to murder. Yet, this supposedly Christian organization remains unmolested & now occupies one of their victim's former clinics. Yet Biness doesn't seem too upset over that. Instead, he's "saddened" by a group of innocent people who want to build a community center a few blocks away from a terrorist attack that they had absolutely nothing to do with.

Like I said, he's a moron.

Antimatter: brigid_fitch: Tech N9ne: To all you idiots that are offended, try going to a muslim country and building a church or synagogue near a mosque or sacred area, see how well that goes. I swear fark is fill with retards.

Does said Muslim country have freedom of religion rights like our 1st Amendment? This is important to your hypothetical strawman.

I love how conservatives base their morals on the actions of third world hellholes, rather then our nationals laws and ideals.

We don't want to be like them only counts when you are protesting single payer healthcare.