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(Some Gun Nutjobs)   A group of gun enthusiasts plans on protesting a long-standing agreement between the city and an arts & crafts festival that forbids the presence of firearms. Now...why would you need a gun at a craft fair in the first place?   (candgnews.com ) divider line
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2010-08-09 09:06:31 PM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: Guairdean: My knowledge of criminals comes from a far more definitive source than movies and TV. It comes from contact with the real thing.

Uh huh. In the grand internet tradition, next you're going to tell me how that ankle holster was the only thing that saved you from those violent criminal masterminds in Middle-of-Nowhere, Texas.

As for reading NRA pamphlets, I've read articles on both sides of the argument. That's one reason I've been a life member of the NRA since (quite probably) before you were born. I've taught two daughters and two grandsons how to safely handle firearms, how to use them properly, and the consequences of using them. You've been taught to fear a tool, I was taught to learn it's proper use and to respect it.

And I never said I was afraid of guns. I am simply wary of paranoid gun "collectors" who see danger in every shadow and seem to think that their manhood is only measured in what they have the power to destroy. Compared to other obsessive-compulsives, they have a much higher tendency of killing a lot of people who don't deserve it.


Fixed that (just for you), sport.
 
2010-08-09 09:12:59 PM  

GranPuro: at least not to anything other than the egos of the "chosen only" cops who think they are the only ones who should wear uniforms and carry a gun.


I know lots of cops and I don't know any that think this way. Yes, cops get nervous when other people have guns, but that should be understandable. If I see a guy carrying a gun and he's not in uniform, I become suspicious of his motives. Although in all probability the guy is perfectly harmless, there's always a chance he's the next Mark David Chapman. Cops are trained to be suspicious. That's a good thing for a cop to be.

/ it was a political setting, not a business setting.

NOW you're making a good point, and I agree. If he was making a political statement, then it makes sense. I'm not sure I agree with his method, nor am I sure I understand his statement, but I can at least see a reason for choosing this setting for it.
 
2010-08-09 09:16:58 PM  

treesloth: Now, please keep in mind that the core of my rambling is simply that there isn't cause to say this guy's gone off the deep end. I also can't claim that he's pure in his intention, and just like with anyone else, he could be a nutjob. For all I know, he goes home, puts on bunny slippers and lipstick, lights some candles and has carnal relations with his Roomba (nttawwt). But the information at hand supports no such conclusion.


My thinking is this: If I were going before a body that had control over an issue, and I was going to try to convince them that my position on the issue was the right one, I'd wear a business suit and try to look as professional and "normal" as I could. I wouldn't wear military attire and expect to be taken seriously. But that's just me.
 
2010-08-09 11:14:33 PM  

CruiserTwelve: GranPuro: at least not to anything other than the egos of the "chosen only" cops who think they are the only ones who should wear uniforms and carry a gun.

I know lots of cops and I don't know any that think this way. Yes, cops get nervous when other people have guns, but that should be understandable. If I see a guy carrying a gun and he's not in uniform, I become suspicious of his motives. Although in all probability the guy is perfectly harmless, there's always a chance he's the next Mark David Chapman. Cops are trained to be suspicious. That's a good thing for a cop to be.

/ it was a political setting, not a business setting.

NOW you're making a good point, and I agree. If he was making a political statement, then it makes sense. I'm not sure I agree with his method, nor am I sure I understand his statement, but I can at least see a reason for choosing this setting for it.


I know a few that are this way, but I would have to admit that they are not in the majority.

It would seem to me that you would consider the open carry guys less of a threat. At least you know they are armed and can keep an eye on them. What worries me is the Concealed Carry issue. All through history, hiding one's weapon was considered within the realm of the criminal or the assassin. If you are on a security detail (like at that council meeting), the guy with the pistol on the hip is the last guy that will be your problem. He knows all eyes are on him, and a move toward his weapon would be his last move. It is the guy reaching into his suit jacket that worries me. No way of knowing what he was reaching for until his hand comes back out, and that could put me well behind the curve.

I don't believe that there is an increased risk in open carry. There is no evidence to support an increased risk, and quite a bit of evidence that it deters crime. Most criminals do not want to get shot. They would just as soon get what they are after and get the heck out of there. As someone stated earlier in this thread, if someone makes up his mind to kill you, you stand a good chance of being dead. Most people are not trained to be in "condition yellow" all the time. Those of us that do practice staying in this condition are usually considered paranoid by those who are untrained and unaware (what we call sheeple).

The only advantage that I can see to civilian concealed carry is that 1) it does not upset the idiots and hoplophobes since they do not have to see the evil gun and wet themselves, and 2) it gives you the element of surprise. Chances are, if the person messing with me knew that I was armed, he would have either left me alone or straight up killed me. The fact that I am still alive in the encounter gives me an advantage. It also brings up some moral and tactical issues, but that is another subject.
 
2010-08-10 12:16:02 AM  

CruiserTwelve: My thinking is this: If I were going before a body that had control over an issue, and I was going to try to convince them that my position on the issue was the right one, I'd wear a business suit and try to look as professional and "normal" as I could. I wouldn't wear military attire and expect to be taken seriously. But that's just me.


That's understandable. It seems that perhaps you've downgraded "irrational" and "deluded and paranoid" to "disagreeable".
 
2010-08-10 09:53:59 AM  

Canned Tamales: Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words can never hurt you.


O RLY?

www.inquisitr.com

/just because you can doesn't mean you should...which also aptly describes most of your posts
 
2010-08-11 09:17:51 PM  
John Buck 41:

...said the paranoid gun nut.
 
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