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(Some Gun Nutjobs)   A group of gun enthusiasts plans on protesting a long-standing agreement between the city and an arts & crafts festival that forbids the presence of firearms. Now...why would you need a gun at a craft fair in the first place?   (candgnews.com) divider line 407
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2010-08-08 10:22:53 PM
FTA: Shaun McElory, who came to the meeting in military fatigues, said he was not asking permission to bring his weapon to the festival.

I'm sure he'll gladly dump out the contents of his military canteen when the sign says "No outside beverages", leave his rations at the gate when the signs says "No outside food", but take away his gun when the signs says "No firearms allowed", and that outfit is totally ruined.
 
2010-08-08 10:23:50 PM
trekkiecougar: NuttierThanEver: you have a very small penis and are compensating?

SO MUCH THIS!!!!!


Relating from experience?
 
2010-08-08 10:37:20 PM
Why is it that there is some idiot on every 2nd Amendment thread who makes the penis/gun analogy? Is there a similar stupid stereotypical comment for the 1st or the 21st?
 
2010-08-08 10:38:04 PM
Full background check does not necessarily show current or future sanity.
 
2010-08-08 10:48:29 PM
davenek: Full background check does not necessarily show current or future sanity.

Has anyone ever argued that it does?
 
2010-08-08 10:49:33 PM
Marcintosh: When we need to go to the mall I let my significant other and children walk ahead a few feet and I trail and watch the crowd.

It's very sad that you live in such fear. If I found myself living in such a place, I would immediately move.
 
2010-08-08 10:51:09 PM
ronaprhys Quote 2010-08-08 09:36:04 PM

Unfortunately for you, the law hasn't been clearly determined here. Try again.

>>>>>

then where are the lawsuits? Try again.
 
2010-08-08 10:52:08 PM
see this is exactly the reason it's important to know good stand up martial arts.

i love it when some jackoff gun nut type is all like "well what'll yew doo if i jes shoot yeh"

and i'm like "well do you have your gun now...no? ok then i could kick your ass."

if you want to protect yourself and family, make sure they know how to fight, shoot properly, and the kids have access to condoms lol.

this way you are protected in all areas. you dont need a gun to be safe.

/gun owner and mild enthusiast
//martial arts practitioner
 
2010-08-08 10:59:03 PM
Big Al: then where are the lawsuits? Try again.

You know how I know you didn't read the article?

Dammit, son, if you're going to play at least try to play to win. Participant ribbons don't count here.
 
2010-08-08 11:08:21 PM
jso2897: Open carry makes you a target

Do you have any evidence of this, or is it your opinion?

Plus, cops don't like it much either

They can deal with it. They serve us, not the other way 'round.
 
2010-08-08 11:25:16 PM
ronaprhys: jso2897: I hope we get a follow up on that. And I super-agree with you about open-carry. My motto regarding firearms has always been: Keep it hidden, keep it safe, and keep it secret.
Open carry makes you a target - for one thing, guns are worth a lot of money - and I've been plenty of places where walking around with a gun on display would be the equivalent of walking around with a big gold Rolex on display. Plus, cops don't like it much either - and while I have nothing against cops, I do try to stay off their radar - they can be a real pain when annoyed.

Definitely some good points there. I've not talked to my local officers about it (we've got a small township and honestly, they seem to be very reasonable - unless you're speeding. That's one thing they LOVE to get you for.), but I think I might do so if I decided to open carry (which, for the points you mention, would be very, very dependent on the situation. If I were to be in a situation where the extra speed provided by open carry were needed, that's one thing. However, that's pretty rare and likely reserved for hunting.)


ThomasHayden: see this is exactly the reason it's important to know good stand up martial arts.

i love it when some jackoff gun nut type is all like "well what'll yew doo if i jes shoot yeh"

and i'm like "well do you have your gun now...no? ok then i could kick your ass."

if you want to protect yourself and family, make sure they know how to fight, shoot properly, and the kids have access to condoms lol.

this way you are protected in all areas. you dont need a gun to be safe.

/gun owner and mild enthusiast
//martial arts practitioner


See, that's the thing - if you are in a place where no one unknown to you has any business being, like your home, or a hunting situation, where an approaching threat can be clearly identified, that's one thing. But in a street situation, where any individual who offers you no overt threat can approach you as closely as you wish - a gun is worse than useless - it's a liability. You can't just draw a weapon anytime someone whose looks you don't like approaches you in a public place - at least, not for long. And it has been said that if a person is within 21 feet of you, they can be on you before you can even point and fire a gun - let alone unholster one. When somebody gets the drop on you, you'd better be able to fight them on their terms - because fighting them on yours is no longer an option.
Others are entitled, as I have said, to feel however they want about this - but my life experience has informed me that I am far safer in public, in about 99% of the situations that ACTUALLY OCCUR IN THE REAL WORLD, without a gun than with one.
After all, an intelligent risk assessment requires that liabilities also be taken into account. Packing a piece can get you INTO a whole lot of trouble in a whole lot of situations - most especially with the law - and you can rail against "fascist pigs" all you want - I have no desire for a tombstone with some defiant statement on it.
But, others are, and should be, entitled to think whatever they want, and to do as they wish within the limits of the law. And I will say that while the presence of guns rarely makes me feel any safer, neither does it make me feel any less so.
Indeed, at least for my own safety, I would rather people overestimate the efficacy of guns than underestimate it. The vast majority of gun owners respect guns, and can be trusted with them - and the more they respect them, the better.
For myself, with a few, very rare and unusual circumstances, I'll be leaving my guns at home - and I have no desire to take them among those who don't want them around - scaring or pissing off people gives me no satisfaction - even if I disagree with them about something important.
 
2010-08-08 11:30:21 PM
Noticeably F.A.T.: Do you have any evidence of this, or is it your opinion?

Have you considered asking Captain Obvious, I hear he's very helpful in situations like this.
 
2010-08-08 11:30:48 PM
ronaprhys: tirob: For the purposes of contract law, if I print "no firearms allowed" on a ticket to an event that I organize, and you buy my ticket, you have agreed not to bring firearms to my event. Your agreement is with me, not with the property owner whose land I am leasing for the purposes of the event. Different result, probably, if this were a free event.

I don't think a public policy argument is relevant to the issue here. You can agree temporarily to give up a Constitutional right in exchange for the right to enter a paid event whether that right be disruptive or not.

The argument isn't whether or not they bought the tickets - it's can they legally ban firearms. So, in your example, it's prior to the tickets being printed.


Too many pronouns in your response for it to be clear, but I'll try to answer you anyway: Once I lease a public space for a paid event, I acquire rights in that space that ordinarily do not exist. I can rope it off. I can permit people to set up stands (these people are in effect sub-lessees). I can print tickets to the event, and if I so desire, I can require, as a condition of entry to my event, that you temporarily give up rights, up to and including constitutional rights to carry weapons, as long as you are within the confines of the space that I have leased. If you don't like my rules you can boycott me or try to set up a competing event where firearms are permitted. But you can't come in with your gun without being subject to arrest and/or ejection, because while a person with a ticket to such an event is an invitee, a person without a ticket, or with a ticket and a firearm, is a trespasser.

This is all hornbook property and contract law, BTW. I suspect that our friends in Michigan will learn this in time.
 
2010-08-08 11:31:33 PM
Noticeably F.A.T.: jso2897: Open carry makes you a target

Do you have any evidence of this, or is it your opinion?

Plus, cops don't like it much either

They can deal with it. They serve us, not the other way 'round.


Just read my posts instead of cherrypicking them, and you'll find the answer to that. I don't repeat myself on command.

And yes, cops can deal with it. They can deal with YOU, too - and put you in your grave and walk away free without working up a sweat. In the REAL world, I mean. If that's what you desire- pursue it. Darwin is waiting for you.
 
2010-08-09 12:09:26 AM
ronaprhys Quote 2010-08-08 10:59:03 PM

You know how I know you didn't read the article?

Dammit, son, if you're going to play at least try to play to win. Participant ribbons don't count here.

>>>

You know how I know you don't understand a thing about law?
 
2010-08-09 12:10:20 AM
jso2897: Just read my posts instead of cherrypicking them, and you'll find the answer to that. I don't repeat myself on command.

I just wanted to see if you were basing your opinions on anything but wild assumptions. I would have thought so, what with the certainty of your statements, but I guess I'm wrong.

And yes, cops can deal with it. They can deal with YOU, too - and put you in your grave and walk away free without working up a sweat. In the REAL world, I mean. If that's what you desire- pursue it. Darwin is waiting for you.

I the real world I live in, cops don't just open fire as soon as they see a gun. Yes, I have had police hassle me over OC. Yes, it sucked. Yes, I went to the police office afterwords and complained about their behavior. And yes, it's never happened again (to me anyway, in Aurora). It seems to me that instead of just letting the folks who are supposed to be serving us just walk all over law abiding citizens, it's better to stand up up to them. Do you know why they think they can "deal with me (and you)"? Because for to long we've been letting them do just that. They have no legal leg to stand on, they rely on intimidation. It's amazing just how far a little backbone will get you.

/Go ahead, keep hiding your gun like it's something to be ashamed of. Just don't act like I'm the bad guy for not cowering.
 
2010-08-09 12:13:06 AM
As long as there is one we'll need more than one.
 
2010-08-09 12:14:20 AM
Noticeably F.A.T.: Yes, they are within their legal rights to ban guns. That doesn't make it right for them to do so, and it doesn't make the folks fighting it assholes.

How dos it make them "wrong"?
 
2010-08-09 12:16:46 AM
Big Al: You know how I know you don't understand a thing about law?

It's pretty obvious that nobody here understands law. After all, you've destroyed all arguments with such amazing retorts as "the law, learn it" and "Try again". Truly, you are a master of all things law and we should just stop trying to match your legal knowledge.
 
2010-08-09 12:20:00 AM
your emotional attachment to your savior the almighty gun has blinded you from having any sort of debate.
 
2010-08-09 12:20:06 AM
log_jammin: How dos it make them "wrong"?

They have decided to ban an inanimate object on the grounds that it's scary. Doesn't sound right to me. That's just my opinion though.
 
2010-08-09 12:22:57 AM
People in developed countries are not allowed to carry firearms around, and don't seem to have a problem with it.

People who have a need to carry a gun on an everyday basis either (i) live in some romanticized vision of the wild west in their heads, or (ii) have very small penises.

/or both
 
2010-08-09 12:24:04 AM
Big Al: your emotional attachment to your savior the almighty gun has blinded you from having any sort of debate.

Oh no, you're not going to insist that we're wrong without showing evidence to support your side. Whatever will we do without your amazing wit and logic.
 
2010-08-09 12:25:07 AM
Noticeably F.A.T.: They have decided to ban an inanimate object on the grounds that it's scary. Doesn't sound right to me. That's just my opinion though.

Is it wrong if someone has a party at his house and says "no guns allowed"?

I just don't see how or why the right to carry a gun should trump another right to ban them at your event.
 
2010-08-09 12:27:30 AM
Noticeably F.A.T.: jso2897: Just read my posts instead of cherrypicking them, and you'll find the answer to that. I don't repeat myself on command.

I just wanted to see if you were basing your opinions on anything but wild assumptions. I would have thought so, what with the certainty of your statements, but I guess I'm wrong.

And yes, cops can deal with it. They can deal with YOU, too - and put you in your grave and walk away free without working up a sweat. In the REAL world, I mean. If that's what you desire- pursue it. Darwin is waiting for you.

I the real world I live in, cops don't just open fire as soon as they see a gun. Yes, I have had police hassle me over OC. Yes, it sucked. Yes, I went to the police office afterwords and complained about their behavior. And yes, it's never happened again (to me anyway, in Aurora). It seems to me that instead of just letting the folks who are supposed to be serving us just walk all over law abiding citizens, it's better to stand up up to them. Do you know why they think they can "deal with me (and you)"? Because for to long we've been letting them do just that. They have no legal leg to stand on, they rely on intimidation. It's amazing just how far a little backbone will get you.

/Go ahead, keep hiding your gun like it's something to be ashamed of. Just don't act like I'm the bad guy for not cowering.


Then you didn't read my posts. OK. But why comment on what you haven't read? Makes no sense to me.
 
2010-08-09 12:27:34 AM
ParaHandy: People in developed countries are not allowed to carry firearms around, and don't seem to have a problem with it.

Yes they are.

live in some romanticized vision of the wild west in their heads

If you say so.

have very small penises.

Anti-gun folks think about dick a lot. NTTATWWT, but if there's one thing that's sure to happen in a gun thread, it's some anti speculating about gun owner cock.
 
2010-08-09 12:28:37 AM
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I don't see that part where it says "unless your at the craft fair."
Or any other gaddam place.

/Owns no firearms.
//Content that you do.
///Just don't point 'em at me.
////Long live the shash!
 
2010-08-09 12:30:07 AM
Barbecue Bob Quote 2010-08-09 12:28:37 AM
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I don't see that part where it says "unless your at the craft fair."
Or any other gaddam place.

>>>>

AMEN BROTHER! I want my ICBM and to yell FIRE in a crowded theater! Farking specifics of laws and their intent how does it work?
 
2010-08-09 12:30:44 AM
log_jammin: Is it wrong if someone has a party at his house and says "no guns allowed"?

I just don't see how or why the right to carry a gun should trump another right to ban them at your event.


Different situations. Private property is not the same as public property.
 
2010-08-09 12:31:00 AM
The USA has only double the murder rate of India (new window)

How can we compete with the 3rd world without more permissive gun laws?
 
2010-08-09 12:31:44 AM
Barbecue Bob: I don't see that part where it says "unless your at the craft fair."

You know how stupid your argument is?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I don't see the part that says "unless you yell fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire".

That's how stupid it is.
 
2010-08-09 12:32:57 AM
ParaHandy: How can we compete with the 3rd world without more permissive gun laws?

And how are those more restrictive laws working out?
 
2010-08-09 12:35:50 AM
Welp, I'm off. Have fun folks.
 
2010-08-09 12:36:01 AM
Noticeably F.A.T.: Different situations. Private property is not the same as public property.

A festival requiring the purchase of a ticket is not public property. The property is essentially being leased.

So no, it is not a different situation.
 
2010-08-09 12:55:41 AM
jso2897: Open carry makes you a target

yeah, because some druggie looking for cash is going to try mugging they guy carrying a gun (and is probably good at using it if he's that proud of it).
 
2010-08-09 01:04:01 AM
It was just a crazy misunderstanding...
www.thereheis.com
 
2010-08-09 01:12:13 AM
BetaFlame: jso2897: Open carry makes you a target

yeah, because some druggie looking for cash is going to try mugging they guy carrying a gun (and is probably good at using it if he's that proud of it).


Yes, actually. Any person who wants to approach you in public in a non threatening way, in public, can do so. If you pull a gun on anybody who walks up to you whose looks you don't like, you're going to have a pretty short shelf life. And if they're two feet away, and decide to take your ass, all the guns in the world won't help you - as I have personally known several dumbasses to find out the hard way.
But, for about the tenth time - that's my view, based on MY life experience. If you feel different, and want to do that which I feel is unwise, you have my full blessing (assuming you remain within the law). Your decisions do not imperil my survival, even if they are foolish in my view. If packing everywhere you go makes you feel safer, that's your business. Do it.
But kindly don't cry to me about your "rights" if it doesn't work out for you.
I'm sixty years old, and have lived fifty of those years in L.A. - and not the nicer parts, either. My particular set of survival percepts seem to have worked out just fine for me - and I hope yours serve you as well. It's a free country, and I like it that way.
 
2010-08-09 01:49:12 AM
This would be great, except the gun enthusiasts don't want black people to carry guns (they only want to sell drugs and jack your car) and they certainly don't want Ay-rabs to carry guns (they are all terrorists).
 
2010-08-09 02:11:21 AM
The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: This would be great, except the gun enthusiasts don't want black people to carry guns (they only want to sell drugs and jack your car) and they certainly don't want Ay-rabs to carry guns (they are all terrorists).

I think that's pretty much a fringe view - and I don't think it's all that hard to tell the sane gun owners from the nutters.
If you read this thread, or others like it , it's not hard to tell. The nutters talk about how their "rights" - but aren't satisfied with them - what they really demand is total agreement with their narrative.
Note the guy who was giving me a ration of shiat, not because I want to take any of his rights away - I don't - but because I don't choose to excercise my second amendment rights in the manner he thinks I should.
My respect for his rights wasn't enough - he demanded agreement. And, because I wouldn't give it to him, he ended up more or less accusing me of being responsible for his "oppression" because I don't choose to believe or behave as he does. And that level of insecurity is not healthy - it's a sign of mental imbalance. It's like some religious nut who think God will punish the world if he can't convert everybody else to his faith.
 
2010-08-09 02:23:09 AM
I open carry. Apparently, some of you think that means I have a micropenis. Your thoughts on my dick matter to me about as much as your thoughts on my firearm, which is to say "not much, unless your thoughts result in action affecting my rights."

I'm sorry you're scared by a visibly holstered sidearm. Really, whatever causes that irrational fear and loathing must be a terrible affliction. Perhaps if you laugh a bit more about your perception of my genitalia, it'll make you less scared. So go ahead, say what you want, I guarantee I've been called worse, and will likely smile through whatever idiocy you send my way :).
 
2010-08-09 02:43:31 AM
cuzsis: Indeed. It's a whole untapped market out there!

They're called "willie warmers." I know someone who sells them on Etsy.

www.thedietdiary.com
 
2010-08-09 03:02:39 AM
feckingmorons: BadReligion: As a gun owner & Concealed Handgun Permit holder, I gotta disagree with the protesters. There are certain places that concealed weapons are not allowed, and permit holders have to respect that. Just as I have the right to carry, business owners & festival organizers can choose not to allow firearms in their business.

I certainly agree that a business can bar otherwise lawfully legal firearm possession on its premises, the city cannot reclassify public property on an ad hoc basis. A city park is a city park if there is a gathering or not. If none of the disqualifying events, alcohol sales that comprise the majority of the profit, the turning of the street into an open air Courthouse, or some such similar absurdity then the city park and city streets remain a park and streets.


Sadly though, cities can rent out parks and streets and temporarily change them from public to private spaces...

Cities own all sorts of properties that they rent out, including parking spaces on city streets, community centers, convention centers, stadiums, etc. They can just as easily rent out entire streets for an event if they want, and (in some states) that allows the private event organizers to disallow firearms just like any private business can.

However, there are some caveats:

People that live or own a business in the leased space can not be restricted in anyway.
In most states signs mean nothing, so a simple sign announcing the restriction does not make it illegal to enter the area with a firearm.
It is up to duly appointed representatives of the organization leasing the space to identify gun carriers and ask them to leave or refuse them entry.
The police do not have rights to enforce the rule because it is a private rule, not public law. They can only get involved if you are asked to leave because you have a firearm and you refuse.
 
MrT
2010-08-09 04:48:01 AM
I can see reasons for wanting to keep firearms out of such an event.

I'm not sure how it works in the US, but over here in the UK, "folk-festivals" and "Arts and Crafts fairs" can often degenerate into fronts for the AGM of the regional traveller-community crime gangs. Where my wife used to live there's an annual fair that's so notorious that the police presence would be more appropriate for a G8 protest than a community event. And that's in the UK, where firearms are almost universally banned.

Throw into the mix the fact that these events are also great places to offload stolen goods (stolen artwork and antiques) and that even the most low tech drug-ring benefits from a front business (particularly one where people pay cash and merchandise isn't logged or tracked) to attribute profits to and you can see why these places are actually very attractive to criminal gangs.

Criminal gangs crammed into a small area with guns is a bad mixture.
 
2010-08-09 05:00:06 AM
Tawnos: I open carry. Apparently, some of you think that means I have a micropenis. Your thoughts on my dick matter to me about as much as your thoughts on my firearm, which is to say "not much, unless your thoughts result in action affecting my rights."

I'm sorry you're scared by a visibly holstered sidearm. Really, whatever causes that irrational fear and loathing must be a terrible affliction. Perhaps if you laugh a bit more about your perception of my genitalia, it'll make you less scared. So go ahead, say what you want, I guarantee I've been called worse, and will likely smile through whatever idiocy you send my way :).


You aren't sorry. It's the whole reason you carry the farking thing. Why oh why would a person show fear when a person is walking around armed with a deadly weapon? It's so irrational! Oh look, that guy has a gun! I feel so safe and secure, he must be one of the good guys who will protect me from the rampant muggings!
The fact that there are people who want to bring their guns to a craft fair is evidence that the background checks aren't stringent enough.
 
B A [TotalFark]
2010-08-09 05:01:26 AM
ParaHandy: People in developed countries are not allowed to carry firearms around, and don't seem to have a problem with it.

People who have a need to carry a gun on an everyday basis either (i) live in some romanticized vision of the wild west in their heads, or (ii) have very small penises.

/or both


Find a new meme boy. This one's tired and innacurate. Those "developed" countries you're talking about have not only taken their citizens guns but have taken to prosecuting citizens for protecting themselves. Read a little & you'll find stories about people being imprisoned because they fought back while being robbed. Want that sort of life here? Keep letting your rights be taken away - you'll get it!
 
B A [TotalFark]
2010-08-09 05:20:26 AM
log_jammin: Barbecue Bob: I don't see that part where it says "unless your at the craft fair."

You know how stupid your argument is?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I don't see the part that says "unless you yell fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire".

That's how stupid it is.


If I yell fire in a crowded theatre I create public hazard (unless it's actually on fire). If I carry a gun I only create a hazard if I pull it out and start indiscriminately firing into the crowd. See the difference there?

MrT: I can see reasons for wanting to keep firearms out of such an event.

I'm not sure how it works in the US, but over here in the UK, "folk-festivals" and "Arts and Crafts fairs" can often degenerate into fronts for the AGM of the regional traveller-community crime gangs. Where my wife used to live there's an annual fair that's so notorious that the police presence would be more appropriate for a G8 protest than a community event. And that's in the UK, where firearms are almost universally banned.

Throw into the mix the fact that these events are also great places to offload stolen goods (stolen artwork and antiques) and that even the most low tech drug-ring benefits from a front business (particularly one where people pay cash and merchandise isn't logged or tracked) to attribute profits to and you can see why these places are actually very attractive to criminal gangs.

Criminal gangs crammed into a small area with guns is a bad mixture.

God forbid a law abiding citizen would have a gun when outlaws are on the streets!

mrjared: Tawnos: I open carry. Apparently, some of you think that means I have a micropenis. Your thoughts on my dick matter to me about as much as your thoughts on my firearm, which is to say "not much, unless your thoughts result in action affecting my rights."

I'm sorry you're scared by a visibly holstered sidearm. Really, whatever causes that irrational fear and loathing must be a terrible affliction. Perhaps if you laugh a bit more about your perception of my genitalia, it'll make you less scared. So go ahead, say what you want, I guarantee I've been called worse, and will likely smile through whatever idiocy you send my way :).

You aren't sorry. It's the whole reason you carry the farking thing. Why oh why would a person show fear when a person is walking around armed with a deadly weapon? It's so irrational! Oh look, that guy has a gun! I feel so safe and secure, he must be one of the good guys who will protect me from the rampant muggings!
The fact that there are people who want to bring their guns to a craft fair is evidence that the background checks aren't stringent enough.

I'm a Paramedic - I carry some of my gear everywhere. Think it's ridiculous that I might think I could need that gear at a craft fair? BTW - I carry my gun everywhere my permit allows me to carry it. I'm less likely to need the gun than the medical gear but if I do need it it too is a matter of life and death. More importantly, to me, the gun would be a matter of MY life or death. BTW - The only accidental shooting I've ever worked was a hunting accident and involved a dropped shotgun. Weapons aren't any more dangerous than cars - only the operators are dangerous. Mzaybe we should outlaw cars.
 
2010-08-09 05:40:49 AM
B A: If I yell fire in a crowded theatre I create public hazard (unless it's actually on fire). If I carry a gun I only create a hazard if I pull it out and start indiscriminately firing into the crowd. See the difference there?

That wasn't the argument that was made.
 
B A [TotalFark]
2010-08-09 06:08:55 AM
log_jammin: B A: If I yell fire in a crowded theatre I create public hazard (unless it's actually on fire). If I carry a gun I only create a hazard if I pull it out and start indiscriminately firing into the crowd. See the difference there?

That wasn't the argument that was made.


The argument was civil rights, speech vs 2nd amendment, and I continued it. Go back and read your own posts.
 
2010-08-09 06:15:30 AM
I am a long-standing veteran of craft fairs. Those customers are farked up.

/Am seriously wondering if one could take out Grandpa Crazy Driver heading for the Farmer's Market with a legal gun and sufficent training.
 
2010-08-09 06:17:32 AM
CruiserTwelve
Why should anyone fear a guy that wears military fatigues and openly carries a gun to a city council meeting? Sounds like a perfectly sane person to me.


Thank god all insane people openly carry guns.
 
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