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(Some Gun Nutjobs)   A group of gun enthusiasts plans on protesting a long-standing agreement between the city and an arts & crafts festival that forbids the presence of firearms. Now...why would you need a gun at a craft fair in the first place?   (candgnews.com ) divider line
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2010-08-08 05:00:01 PM  

thamike: ONE MORE STEP AND THE FAKE CHEESE GETS IT


You'd shoot Kraft AMERICAN singles? Die, Commie!

Actually, I hate Kraft American singles, and consider myself a patriotic, gun toting, hard cheddar American.

People often bring lots of cash to art fairs. If the fair is held on public property, they should be able to practice concealed carry according to the normal procedure in the state.
 
2010-08-08 05:00:52 PM  

Guairdean: Criminals notice the places where firearms are prohibited. These are called "Mugger Safe Zones". After all, the muggers are perfectly safe.


How would you know? Do you see a lot of criminals while peering out your basement window?
 
2010-08-08 05:01:38 PM  

jaytkay: I was at an arts fair last weekend. I would estimate 43% of the attendees were homosexual.


How did you know? Did they have corn and sesame seeds on their pee-pees?
 
2010-08-08 05:02:52 PM  

CleverGuy81: i'll just leave this here...


Looks like a good start !

/ L out L
 
2010-08-08 05:03:11 PM  
Having been dragged to a craft fair for several hours... Next time I would want the right to concealed carry so I could put one in the base of my skull before being hauled kicking and screaming through the event doors...
 
2010-08-08 05:03:19 PM  
It's a quilt. I'm not going in unarmed.
a.imageshack.us
 
2010-08-08 05:05:46 PM  
What reason can anyone show for not permitting someone who's gone through a background check, probably (definitely in Ohio) some sort of additional training, and has committed no felonies whatsoever for carrying a firearm in a place where it's perfectly legal every other day of the year?

Should we also prohibit free speech there because someone might criticize the banal and/or crappy art that might be there?
 
2010-08-08 05:05:46 PM  

NuttierThanEver: you have a very small penis and are compensating?


But enough about you, what is your opinion on the subject at hand?


Psychological projection, how does it farking work?
 
2010-08-08 05:06:13 PM  
They should be allowed to carry. Royal Oak is dangerous*.

*Not actually dangerous
 
2010-08-08 05:11:19 PM  

Airfoilsguy 2010-08-08 04:36:04 PM
Why stop at the 2nd amendment, why not toss them all out at the festiva


How about trying a little common sense for once.
Who wants to take their family somewhere where there will be a bunch of AK toting teabagger nutjobs?

Even Tombstone made folks check their guns.
Besides, if you're that afraid then maybe you should just stay under your bed where it's nice and safe.
 
2010-08-08 05:11:25 PM  
Why does a building that's not on fire need sprinklers?

Why do you wear a seat-belt if you're not crashing?
 
2010-08-08 05:11:30 PM  

feckingmorons: I certainly agree that a business can bar otherwise lawfully legal firearm possession on its premises, the city cannot reclassify public property on an ad hoc basis. A city park is a city park if there is a gathering or not. If none of the disqualifying events, alcohol sales that comprise the majority of the profit, the turning of the street into an open air Courthouse, or some such similar absurdity then the city park and city streets remain a park and streets.


Now, I know you're a troll who's claimed that Brietbart has never edited videos for his political advantage and that anything you type should be suspected idiocy, but what the hell:
Yes the city can. The city is within their rights to rent out public property and let it be temporarily under different rules.

Under your logic, it's illegal for the festival runners to charge admission, because they're turning public land into private.
 
2010-08-08 05:11:47 PM  

trelane99: My right to have a firearm is the same as your right to be gay. I can't make you not gay, or at least to get you to stop hitting on me (unless you're a pair of hot lesbians, in which case hit on me all you like).

You can't take, or in any way restrict my guns.

/actually a pair of hot lesbians wearing nothing but a chromed 1911's would be even better
//back to the lesbian gunporn!


And on property under my control I get to say what comes in and what stays out within certain parameters.

You're free to carry your firearm. Somewhere else.

You can leave your gun in your car.

Gay guy can't leave his gay in the car.
 
2010-08-08 05:16:31 PM  

dstrick44: How about trying a little common sense for once. Who wants to take their family somewhere where there will be a bunch of AK toting teabagger nutjobs?

Even Tombstone made folks check their guns. Besides, if you're that afraid then maybe you should just stay under your bed where it's nice and safe.


You do realize that those who've gone through the CCW process have had a background check and training, don't you? And that they can legally carry at that park all the rest of the year - and that, potentially, they'll be around all of those families?

You do also realize that just because someone gets a CCW doesn't make them an AK-toting Teabagger, don't you?

Near as I can tell your point boils down to "think of the children". Really - is that the best you can do?
 
2010-08-08 05:16:35 PM  
CommiePuddin: And on property under my control I get to say what comes in and what stays out within certain parameters.

You're free to carry your firearm. Somewhere else.

You can leave your gun in your car.

Gay guy can't leave his gay in the car.


You are exactly right in every detail. THIS

/Gun owner
 
2010-08-08 05:17:05 PM  
We have gun owners out here in CA who like to go around public with their guns on display. They say it's safe as their weapons are unloaded and they say that they don't even have ammo with them.
Fine, have your unloaded gun out in the open. I'll just start carrying a hammer, a nice big hammer, say a small sledgehammer. It's legal, no need for a permit and it can do a lot more damage to someone that an empty gun.
 
2010-08-08 05:17:54 PM  

Satanic_Hamster:
Now, I know you're a troll who's claimed that Brietbart has never edited videos for his political advantage and that anything you type should be suspected idiocy, but what the hell:
Yes the city can. The city is within their rights to rent out public property and let it be temporarily under different rules.

Under your logic, it's illegal for the festival runners to charge admission, because they're turning public land into private.


To some extent, yes. Charging admission for an event has a specific purpose. No charge, no event. Temporarily banning firearms serves what purpose, exactly?
 
2010-08-08 05:18:35 PM  
Supremecy clause.

.....shall not be infringed.


People don't expect to get shot at work or school.....yet headlines may prove otherwise.


Hiipies at craft fairs are usually the most uptight people anyway.

Seriously......50$ for a bunch of solder you melted and call earrings?


Go eat some trail mix you dirty capitalist hippies.
 
2010-08-08 05:19:37 PM  

CommiePuddin: And on property under my control I get to say what comes in and what stays out within certain parameters.

You're free to carry your firearm. Somewhere else.

You can leave your gun in your car.

Gay guy can't leave his gay in the car.


Which is a great argument on private property. This is not private property. This is public property where it's legal to carry concealed every other day of the year. What makes these days special?
 
2010-08-08 05:23:07 PM  
Face it, if you're into the second amendment, you're probably just like this guy:


farm3.static.flickr.com


/hot, unlike 2nd amendment lovers
 
2010-08-08 05:23:38 PM  
You know I am getting tired of these attention whores.

/Gun owner
//2nd amendment absolutist
///Not a dick about it
 
2010-08-08 05:26:04 PM  
What if somebody tries to hold me up at needlepoint? Or stab me in the fracas?
 
2010-08-08 05:26:05 PM  

balial: Face it, if you're into the second amendment, you're probably just like this guy:

/hot, unlike 2nd amendment lovers



It's fun to cherry pick rules or laws you like!!
 
2010-08-08 05:26:08 PM  

balial: Face it, if you're into the second amendment, you're probably just like this guy:

/hot, unlike 2nd amendment lovers


I've read somewhere that he made those photos on purpose....and trolled a ton of people with them.
 
2010-08-08 05:26:51 PM  
I can see the reason for the ban. Have you ever been forced to go to one with your wife?
Your apt to blow your head off and spatter your own brains on the art.
 
2010-08-08 05:27:17 PM  

wxboy: They should be allowed to carry. Royal Oak is dangerous*.

*Not actually dangerous


I was thinking just that. Why do these people feel the need to carry a gun to a friggin' craft fair in Royal Oak? It's not like they're in Highland Park or somewhere they might actually need a gun. These guys wouldn't be caught dead in a real city with real crime.

/grew up in Royal Oak.
 
2010-08-08 05:27:27 PM  
How dare the festival organization trample upon our constitutional rights. No firearms. Cannot enter without paying. This is public land. How dare them!
 
2010-08-08 05:28:52 PM  

Bermuda59: We have gun owners out here in CA who like to go around public with their guns on display. They say it's safe as their weapons are unloaded and they say that they don't even have ammo with them.



That has never made a damned bit of sense to me. Those people are using their firearms as a form of decoration. It's childish and irresponsible attention-whoring, and it gives the rest of us a bad name.
 
2010-08-08 05:29:30 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: You know I am getting tired of these attention whores.

/Gun owner
//2nd amendment absolutist
///Not a dick about it


Those damn attention whores have the same mindset that gave us Heller and McDonald. Don't get me wrong, I'm not all about being a dick but I'm also not about having my rights violated.
 
2010-08-08 05:31:13 PM  
Is there anybody here who can see that one can take the 2nd Amendment literally, and be all for any kind of gun ownership, but still make fun of retarded gun nuts? It isn't black and white. Owning guns doesn't make one a gun nut. Not liking guns doesn't make you a commie pussy. Owning guns and not being able to restrain your firearm-oriented behavior makes you a gun nut and an asshole.
 
2010-08-08 05:34:35 PM  

NoSugarAdded: How dare the festival organization trample upon our constitutional rights. No firearms. Cannot enter without paying. This is public land. How dare them!


False equivalence is false.

CruiserTwelve: I was thinking just that. Why do these people feel the need to carry a gun to a friggin' craft fair in Royal Oak? It's not like they're in Highland Park or somewhere they might actually need a gun. These guys wouldn't be caught dead in a real city with real crime.

/grew up in Royal Oak.


Since when did it become your right to determine where they can practice rights specifically enumerated in the Constitution (not granted by it, though)? I'm not saying I'd feel the need, but what good reason do you have to prevent someone who's had a full background check and registered themselves with the government from carrying a firearm? Hell, even the city themselves aren't sure whether or not this ban is legal.

And, remember, prior to putting forth a reason, put one that doesn't contain you feeling they don't need to carry a firearm. That's not a relevant reason and carries no bearing here whatsoever.
 
2010-08-08 05:37:08 PM  

thamike: Is there anybody here who can see that one can take the 2nd Amendment literally, and be all for any kind of gun ownership, but still make fun of retarded gun nuts? It isn't black and white. Owning guns doesn't make one a gun nut. Not liking guns doesn't make you a commie pussy. Owning guns and not being able to restrain your firearm-oriented behavior makes you a gun nut and an asshole.


Honestly, I think many of us can. My wife and I just went to a Gun and Knife show in Dayton. Plenty of folks there to make fun of. Very polite people, as a rule, but definitely some damned oddballs and idiots floating around.

That being said, how does carrying a concealed weapon to an Arts and Crafts fair make one an asshole or a gun nut? If you normally carry concealed and no one sees it, how does that impact anyone at the Fair?

Secondly, what good reason is there for prohibiting firearms at an area where it's perfectly legal at all other times to carry?
 
2010-08-08 05:39:12 PM  

ronaprhys: Satanic_Hamster:
Now, I know you're a troll who's claimed that Brietbart has never edited videos for his political advantage and that anything you type should be suspected idiocy, but what the hell:
Yes the city can. The city is within their rights to rent out public property and let it be temporarily under different rules.

Under your logic, it's illegal for the festival runners to charge admission, because they're turning public land into private.

To some extent, yes. Charging admission for an event has a specific purpose. No charge, no event. Temporarily banning firearms serves what purpose, exactly?


It serves the specific purpose have having no guns on the property. Because the event runners don't want them. Because they control the property for the duration of the event. Because it's their right.

Now, could the city, say, put a clause in their rental agreements that people renting city property not do this? Sure. But until they do, it's the legal right of the even runners do prohibit carrying guns.
 
2010-08-08 05:40:21 PM  

ra-ra-raw: Airfoilsguy: Why stop at the 2nd amendment, why not toss them all out at the festival

I'm sure you feel the same about the NRA (new window).


Wait. What?! o_O

Methinks they need to find a new place to hold their convention...
 
2010-08-08 05:42:51 PM  

KrispyKritter: crocheted


whatnottocrochet.files.wordpress.com

Indeed. It's a whole untapped market out there!
 
2010-08-08 05:43:04 PM  
Maybe the fair organizers want to create an atmosphere that cant be had while paranoid people are carrying guns.
 
2010-08-08 05:43:39 PM  

ronaprhys: NoSugarAdded: How dare the festival organization trample upon our constitutional rights. No firearms. Cannot enter without paying. This is public land. How dare them!

False equivalence is false.

CruiserTwelve: I was thinking just that. Why do these people feel the need to carry a gun to a friggin' craft fair in Royal Oak? It's not like they're in Highland Park or somewhere they might actually need a gun. These guys wouldn't be caught dead in a real city with real crime.

/grew up in Royal Oak.

Since when did it become your right to determine where they can practice rights specifically enumerated in the Constitution (not granted by it, though)? I'm not saying I'd feel the need, but what good reason do you have to prevent someone who's had a full background check and registered themselves with the government from carrying a firearm? Hell, even the city themselves aren't sure whether or not this ban is legal.

And, remember, prior to putting forth a reason, put one that doesn't contain you feeling they don't need to carry a firearm. That's not a relevant reason and carries no bearing here whatsoever.


NoSugarAdded's point is valid; the festival is renting the land from the government, hence it is effectively private land for the duration of the festival.

CruiserTwelve being a cop, is probably not a fan of individual citizens owning/carrying; all the CCW holders I know complain of police harassment as a result of their CCW permit.
 
2010-08-08 05:44:53 PM  

ronaprhys: That being said, how does carrying a concealed weapon to an Arts and Crafts fair make one an asshole or a gun nut? If you normally carry concealed and no one sees it, how does that impact anyone at the Fair?


If you do it to make a point, you just might be a gun nut.

Satanic_Hamster: Now, could the city, say, put a clause in their rental agreements that people renting city property not do this? Sure. But until they do, it's the legal right of the even runners do prohibit carrying guns.


Pick one: Businesses can force you to check your weapons at their own discretion; or you can fire up the gun control advocates by making asses out of yourselves over nothing.
 
2010-08-08 05:45:54 PM  

cuzsis: whatnottocrochet.files.wordpress.com

Indeed. It's a whole untapped market out there!


And they wonder why all the penis jokes keep coming in.
 
2010-08-08 05:46:35 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: It serves the specific purpose have having no guns on the property. Because the event runners don't want them. Because they control the property for the duration of the event. Because it's their right.

Now, could the city, say, put a clause in their rental agreements that people renting city property not do this? Sure. But until they do, it's the legal right of the even runners do prohibit carrying guns.


Actually, it may not be their right. If you read the article you'll note that the city is looking into it and it's not a decided issue.

While I agree with your interpretation on private land, I disagree on public land. Yes - this is still public land. It does not become private. Want doesn't come into play here at all. They can charge admission as they can't (theoretically) support the Fair without that admission charge. That makes it a need. There's no need to prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms.

If I were to elect to wear a tee shirt that were deemed offensive to artists (but was in no way obscene) and is legal at all other times, they have no right to ask me to leave. Freedom of speech. I'm also permitted to say whatever I'd like (within normal bounds of law). I'm not permitted to be disruptive, though. For you to make an argument you have to prove that someone carrying concealed is disruptive.
 
2010-08-08 05:48:13 PM  

Corvus: people who think you should be able to carry a gun anywhere is are gun nuts.


Why not? Are you personally more likely to shoot someone in a park versus a craft fair? Or are you not going to shoot anyone unless they are an actual threat to someone's life?

/concealed means concealed
//never understood why guns should be disallowed at certain citizen venues.
///Are they planning to attempt to drive everyone to a murderous insanity or something?
 
2010-08-08 05:49:12 PM  

ronaprhys: If I were to elect to wear a tee shirt that were deemed offensive to artists (but was in no way obscene) and is legal at all other times, they have no right to ask me to leave. Freedom of speech. I'm also permitted to say whatever I'd like (within normal bounds of law). I'm not permitted to be disruptive, though. For you to make an argument you have to prove that someone carrying concealed is disruptive.


If it's a private gathering controlled by the non-government, they have the right to ban, say, all white people if they felt about it, let alone you for wearing your t-shirt.
 
2010-08-08 05:50:48 PM  

ronaprhys: They can charge admission as they can't (theoretically) support the Fair without that admission charge. That makes it a need. There's no need to prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms.


They're both choices. And it is legal for a renter of public property to make either one of them. People have weddings receptions on public property all the time. If they didn't want guns in their wedding reception, they can legally make it so. They could also tell any gate crashers to f*ck off. And any well-armed wedding crasher howling about public land and getting aggressive would get arrested.
 
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2010-08-08 05:51:46 PM  

BadReligion: As a gun owner & Concealed Handgun Permit holder, I gotta disagree with the protesters. There are certain places that concealed weapons are not allowed, and permit holders have to respect that. Just as I have the right to carry, business owners & festival organizers can choose not to allow firearms in their business.


Actually they shouldn't have the right to ban arms. While I agree that the liklehood of needing my pistol at an arts & crafts fair is small I would argue that my constitutional right to bear is FAR more important than your right to feel threatened by a permit holders concealed arms. Actually I would argue that requiring permits is, in itself, a violation of my right to keep & bear arms. As to predicting when firearms might be needed: That's much like predictiong when an ambulance/ER/MD might be needed & banning them from certain areas because you think the possibility of someone having a heart attack is low enough to make the presence of such protections uneccessary.
 
2010-08-08 05:52:25 PM  

misanthropic1: NoSugarAdded's point is valid; the festival is renting the land from the government, hence it is effectively private land for the duration of the festival.


That is not a fact, that's an opinion. Read the article - the city has openly said that they aren't sure they they can prohibit concealed carry.

CruiserTwelve being a cop, is probably not a fan of individual citizens owning/carrying; all the CCW holders I know complain of police harassment as a result of their CCW permit.

That may or may not be the case. I've not interacted with too many officers on the subject.

thamike: If you do it to make a point, you just might be a gun nut.


Might be, guess that depends on your view. However, would you like to answer the question? If someone normally carries concealed and is carrying concealed at this Fair, how are they being an asshole? I won't ask about being a gun nut (we'd likely disagree here), but an asshole? Hell, no one would even know it.
 
2010-08-08 05:54:14 PM  

ronaprhys: If I were to elect to wear a tee shirt that were deemed offensive to artists (but was in no way obscene) and is legal at all other times, they have no right to ask me to leave. Freedom of speech. I'm also permitted to say whatever I'd like (within normal bounds of law). I'm not permitted to be disruptive, though. For you to make an argument you have to prove that someone carrying concealed is disruptive.


Why is this such a hard concept to understand? If there's an event that is being held (not by the--let's say--gun friendly city, but merely in that city), the renters can ban weapons. They can ban cigarettes. They can make you wear a tie. They can charge an entrance fee.
 
2010-08-08 05:54:18 PM  
Rather than showing up to city hall openly packing, why not show up to the event you're so desperately wanting to attend while packing?

It's your constitutional right, so farking exercise it. If the police try to take you away, let them.

You know what happens next.

Instead you farking AW at city hall regarding something you probably don't even want to go to and make sane, responsible gun owners (who want to carry) look like backwoods crazy assholes. Nice going, assholes.
 
2010-08-08 05:57:29 PM  

ronaprhys: Might be, guess that depends on your view. However, would you like to answer the question? If someone normally carries concealed and is carrying concealed at this Fair, how are they being an asshole? I won't ask about being a gun nut (we'd likely disagree here), but an asshole? Hell, no one would even know it.


I didn't call people who carry concealed weapons assholes. I called people who take weapons into a place that doesn't want them there just to start a fight assholes. Almost my entire family has or has had concealed weapons permits, and used them. I don't really need one in VA. My glove compartment is just fine.
 
2010-08-08 05:58:25 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Instead you farking AW at city hall regarding something you probably don't even want to go to and make sane, responsible gun owners (who want to carry) look like backwoods crazy assholes. Nice going, assholes.


That's what I meant by "assholes."
 
2010-08-08 05:58:56 PM  

thamike: ronaprhys: If I were to elect to wear a tee shirt that were deemed offensive to artists (but was in no way obscene) and is legal at all other times, they have no right to ask me to leave. Freedom of speech. I'm also permitted to say whatever I'd like (within normal bounds of law). I'm not permitted to be disruptive, though. For you to make an argument you have to prove that someone carrying concealed is disruptive.

Why is this such a hard concept to understand? If there's an event that is being held (not by the--let's say--gun friendly city, but merely in that city), the renters can ban weapons. They can ban cigarettes. They can make you wear a tie. They can charge an entrance fee.


You can't 'rent' a public sidewalk like that, such that it's no longer subject to constitutional parameters. And this cuts both ways; research constitutional law regarding whether you have to pay to have a parade.
 
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