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(Jalopnik)   You know how people talk about reinventing the wheel? This guy actually did it   (jalopnik.com) divider line 36
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2010-08-05 08:50:03 AM
Very interesting idea.

The sad part is the patent was granted in 1999-meaning he has protection until 2016. It is 2010, and he is just getting the approvals he needs to market it commercially. By the time it could be a success, it will be in the public domain.
 
2010-08-05 09:42:59 AM
From the "why didn't I think of that" files.
 
2010-08-05 11:00:05 AM
In TFA comments a lot of gearheads seem to be agreeing that it's a bad idea. I don't know much about that stuff but they seem like they're making sense.
 
2010-08-05 11:03:27 AM
mr_a: The sad part is the patent was granted in 1999-meaning he has protection until 2016.

It's 20 years from his filing date, so 2018.
 
2010-08-05 12:24:40 PM
Barfmaker: In TFA comments a lot of gearheads seem to be agreeing that it's a bad idea. I don't know much about that stuff but they seem like they're making sense.

Any new invention that makes it to Fark is ALWAYS roundly panned by the "experts" we seem to have in every field. I think tearing down others and asserting one's own faux expertise is just a thing people do, whether or not it actually is correct.
 
2010-08-05 12:25:36 PM
I've always felt that keeping dead hookers in the trunk is the real mother of invention.
 
2010-08-05 12:25:39 PM
The Tweel is cooler...

www.myhonestmechanic.com
paultan.org
 
2010-08-05 12:26:38 PM
LasersHurt: Barfmaker: In TFA comments a lot of gearheads seem to be agreeing that it's a bad idea. I don't know much about that stuff but they seem like they're making sense.

Any new invention that makes it to Fark is ALWAYS roundly panned by the "experts" we seem to have in every field. I think tearing down others and asserting one's own faux expertise is just a thing people do, whether or not it actually is correct.


The nice part is that when a bunch of experts say your idea won't work, if they're wrong, it's a nice pile of evidence for nonobviousness.
 
2010-08-05 12:29:33 PM
I call that "reinventing the tire"
 
2010-08-05 12:35:23 PM
LasersHurt: Barfmaker: In TFA comments a lot of gearheads seem to be agreeing that it's a bad idea. I don't know much about that stuff but they seem like they're making sense.

Any new invention that makes it to Fark is ALWAYS roundly panned by the "experts" we seem to have in every field. I think tearing down others and asserting one's own faux expertise is just a thing people do, whether or not it actually is correct.


You're an idiot. These so-called "faux-experts" asserting their false expertise by tearing down others don't actually exist. I know because I have a PHD in applied internet trolling studies.
 
2010-08-05 12:39:33 PM
Yeah, I did that too. But it's in Canada. You wouldn't have seen it.
 
2010-08-05 12:46:42 PM
dennysgod: I call that "reinventing the tire"

THIS
 
2010-08-05 12:54:44 PM
I'd get tired of people trying to flag you down on the freeway yelling "YOUR WHEEL IS FALLING OFF!"
 
2010-08-05 12:55:54 PM
This is a great idea. The handling would be improved across most vehicles, which have independent suspension these days partly to grow cabin space for the rear of most commuter cars. Always thought the BMW x5 looked funny with the cambered-put wheels. And I've seen plenty of commuter cars squatting on the highway when they're loaded to the gills for weekend trips around new England. Should help considering the weather here changes during the course of a day.

//Brilliant!
 
2010-08-05 12:56:11 PM
schattenteufel: The Tweel is cooler...

agreed.

as someone who was roped into buying all four new tires yesterday, i'm kicking the tires in this thread
 
2010-08-05 12:57:39 PM
Scott's idea - he calls it the Camber Tire, which he submitted for patent approval in 1998 and which was approved in 1999 - is a tire built with an outer sidewall that's slightly taller than the inside sidewall. That results in a continuing decrease in the diameter across the tread surface and allows for compensation for a negatively cambered alignment setting to the wheel. When mounted on a vehicle with independent negatively cambered suspension or negatively cambered non-driven axles, his research indicates that the Camber Tire can deliver substantially improved handling, ride quality, tread wear and fuel economy.

so it's like dihedral for cars?
 
2010-08-05 01:00:06 PM
dennysgod: I call that "reinventing the tire"

Came for this, leaving satisfied.
 
F42
2010-08-05 01:04:57 PM
schattenteufel: The Tweel is cooler...

yeah, but it can't go at highway speeds :\
 
2010-08-05 01:22:45 PM
F42: schattenteufel: The Tweel is cooler...

yeah, but it can't go at highway speeds :\



Not yet. Wait for Tweel 2.0! :-)
 
2010-08-05 02:06:15 PM
Who cares about that... did you see the ad for the Russian tires?

Woof !!!
 
2010-08-05 02:42:49 PM
Dumbest thing ever. You want camber? Dial it in at the suspension, not at the unsprung weight. Nominal benefit is also attributable to the softer compound and lower wear rating. Wake me when you can improve roadholding with a harder tire.
 
2010-08-05 02:53:07 PM
C'mon hover wheels, c'mon, please please please...


*RTFA*


Awwww.... :(
 
2010-08-05 02:56:37 PM
I used to be an automotive steering and suspension engineer about 10 years ago. It's not clear to me what the benefits of this tire design are. It's not like standard tires are these rigid, non-deflecting, solid structures. Tires move and change shape as needed.
 
2010-08-05 03:01:36 PM
Audi's RSQ concept spherical wheels are also cool...

www.funny-potato.com

/but not real
//yet
 
2010-08-05 03:26:13 PM
I need these, bad.

My car is very low compared to a stock vehicle and as a result, a couple degrees of negative camber is unavoidable yet functional... I'm getting tired of burning through a set of tires every 15 thousand miles.
 
2010-08-05 03:38:54 PM
tenhigh: I need these, bad.

My car is very low compared to a stock vehicle and as a result, a couple degrees of negative camber is unavoidable yet functional... I'm getting tired of burning through a set of tires every 15 thousand miles.


These are likely a softer compound than you have presently and you would be adding even still more negative camber, so you would have even worse tread life, not better.
 
2010-08-05 04:40:45 PM
I like these LINK (new window) ..
 
2010-08-05 04:45:36 PM
If it's available in 165r15, a bunch of swing axle VW owners would be interested... especially if they are available in wide whitewall!

images.thesamba.com
 
2010-08-05 04:47:20 PM
Tires and wheels are not the same thing.
 
2010-08-05 05:25:14 PM
Electric_Banana: dennysgod: I call that "reinventing the tire"

Came for this, leaving satisfied.


Ditto.
 
2010-08-05 07:27:42 PM
Somebody failed high school geometry. The inner edge is a smaller diameter than the outer edge, so it will roll in a circle. The Jalopnik commenters nailed it. If you don't believe me, roll a paper (or foam or whatever) cup and try to get it to go in a straight line.
 
2010-08-05 09:20:50 PM
so what about all the heat buildup and scrubbing due to the tire not wanting to roll in a straight line? I can see this being helpful on a track but for the street. no point. also outlaw circle track has been doing some thing like this for decades, one tire is smaller than the other so that it improves cornering in one direction.
 
2010-08-05 09:44:02 PM
I always assumed there was some kind of tradeoff to this, otherwise it'd have been implemented a while ago. We've seen lowered ricers with cambered wheels for a while now. How come we laughed at those instead of admiring the handling benefits?
 
jvl
2010-08-05 09:45:23 PM
Farking tire diameters, how do they work?

Yeah, sounds like a great way to build a tire that wears out ten times faster than a normal one due to scrubbing. Kinda like my Jeep tires wear out when they're out of alignment like they always are.

This isn't rocket science: it obviously doesn't work unless your tire is very narrow like the Milliken Camber Car.
 
2010-08-06 12:06:40 AM
Harry Lime: Somebody failed high school geometry.
flyinreallyhigh: so what about all the heat buildup and scrubbing due to the tire not wanting to roll in a straight line?
Yankees Team Gynecologist: I always assumed there was some kind of tradeoff to this, otherwise it'd have been implemented a while ago.
jvl: Yeah, sounds like a great way to build a tire that wears out ten times faster than a normal one due to scrubbing.

As I said above:
Theaetetus: when a bunch of experts say your idea won't work, if they're wrong, it's a nice pile of evidence for nonobviousness.
 
jvl
2010-08-08 11:52:37 PM
Theaetetus: Theaetetus: when a bunch of experts say your idea won't work, if they're wrong, it's a nice pile of evidence for nonobviousness.

You should totally patent a method for water dowsing. Because if you're right, there will be a ton of evidence that it was non-obvious.
 
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