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2003-06-09 07:25:28 PM
America: land of the free. Freedom of religion, the presses, speech, freedom to posses a firearm, but if you don't speak OUR ENGLISH LANGUAGE, GET THE FARK OUT!

/typical redneck
 
2003-06-09 07:26:32 PM
Young_Fart

They changed the name of the ESL program here by the way, and if my wife were home I could tell you what they re-named it. They probably did this because "English as a Second Language" is a misleading title, as you have demonstrated. You are not the only one deceived here.
 
2003-06-09 07:28:56 PM
Big Al

You made a claim that Gore tried to block the legal military ballots and I'm asking you for proof.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2000/11/20/wpres120.xml

Governor George W Bush comfortably won the overseas absentee vote by 1,380 votes to Vice-President Al Gore's 750 but, after vigorous challenges by Gore canvassers, 1,527 of the postal ballots, many of them from soldiers and sailors on active service, were rejected.

With the two candidates just 930 votes apart, every ballot paper counts and is being intensely fought over by Democratic and Republican party officials.

Gen Norman Schwarzkopf, the Gulf war commander who now lives in Florida, led Republican condemnation of a five-page guide which advised Democratic tellers how to raise objections to the postal votes.

He said: "It is a very sad day in our country when the men and women of the armed forces are serving abroad and facing danger of a daily basis . . . and are denied the right to vote for the president of the United States who will be their commander in chief."

Democratic tellers were advised to block ballots if there was no clearly legible postmark on the envelope, which is frequently the case when letters are posted from military bases. Normally, these ballots pass unchallenged.


Now that you've been proven wrong, lets try to cut out the thread jacking.
 
2003-06-09 07:29:14 PM
honestly I dont care if they offer to teach children in spanish speeking classes. why?

its the parents choice how to have their children learn. not mine

it wont cost any more money. they have to be in school anyway

It will not effect me in any way.
 
2003-06-09 07:45:51 PM
America: land of the free. Freedom of religion, the presses, speech, freedom to posses a firearm, but if you don't speak OUR ENGLISH LANGUAGE, GET THE FARK OUT!
/typical redneck


So I suppose if I go to Laos and expect those redneck Lao to speak english it's OK then ? Good grief !

English happens to the language of government of the US. People who don't speak English have difficulty accessing government services, interacting with society ( outside their culture group ), shopping, with education etc. Friends whose parents don't speak English have just those problems.
It's not like we should jail them or something. But to just say - Hey - it's OK, don't bother is just plain dumbass.

I don't expect to be able to march into Vietnam or France or where ever and demand that everyone speak my language. People immigrating here should do the same.
 
2003-06-09 07:48:17 PM
Mr_Morden:

what should be done?
 
2003-06-09 07:57:26 PM
Vroom

I certainly don't have all the answers. I can feel sympathy for friends parents who came here in middle age, speak almost no English and who found it all a bit overwhelming. They are good hardworking ppl.

The problem is they have to rely on their children for most interaction with the "outside world". What happens if they have an accident, get sick, or have to interect with a public deparment and their children or another defacto translator isn't around. Their opportunities for employment are very limited ( to within thier own community )

Certianly we need some fast-tracked program to teach English to a basic level to all new migrants. I just can't abide this idea that ppl can just not bother, because they are part of our society and thus must interact with it. It costs both us and the migrant time, money and effort if they can't communicate with us.
 
2003-06-09 07:57:32 PM
nighty night.
 
2003-06-09 07:58:50 PM
Mr_Morden:

damn. shouldve started this sooner. gotta go home now. leaving work.
 
2003-06-09 08:19:15 PM
And no farkin lisping either!

Hee hee!
 
2003-06-09 09:05:42 PM
American culture is a blend of the cultures that have fed into it. One more immigrant group into the group is just another drop in the bucket.

A drop taking up... what, a third of the bucket? More?

Glad I just started taking Spanish Thursday.
 
2003-06-09 09:41:34 PM
Control-
from the article that you linked to "proving" that votes were denied... If even ONE of these people had gone to court after the election, it would have made INTERNATIONAL news! No one was legally denied their legal right to vote.


When we get the con felon list, we automatically start going through our rolls on the computer. If there's a name that says John Smith was convicted of a felony, then we enter a notation on our computer that says convicted felon -- we mark an "f" for felon -- and the date that we received it," Rosado said. "They're still on our computer, but they're on purge status," meaning they have been marked ineligible to vote.

"I don't think that it's up to us to tell them they're a convicted felon," Rosado said. "If he's on our rolls, we make a notation on there. If they show up at a polling place, we'll say, 'Wait a minute, you're a convicted felon, you can't vote. Nine out of 10 times when we repeat that to the person, they say 'Thank you' and walk away. They don't put up arguments." Rosado doesn't know how many people in Volusia were dropped from the list as a result of being identified as felons.

Also,
"Democratic tellers were advised to block ballots if there was no clearly legible postmark on the envelope, which is frequently the case when letters are posted from military bases. Normally, these ballots pass unchallenged."

That is because military persons get free posted mail and it only became an issue when dems were looking for any which way but lose to discredit vote...

Get over it-- Gore lost!!!

And Republicans looking to reach out to any group, how is that bad?
THINK FOR YOURSELF>> DO NOT BELIEVE ANY PARTY LINE> VOTE FOR THE PERSON>
 
2003-06-09 09:44:01 PM
NashvilleDave, politicians use newspeak to hide the true nature of what they are doing.
 
2003-06-09 10:13:42 PM
This boggled my mine for years. How is it that my dad had difficulty getting a permit just to live here. Yes permit not even residency. Yet I know of people who have been arrested, have DUI's, don't know English, no education, and beat their wives have gotten their residency in under a year. And my dads's actually gone to college and earned two degrees and has never had any trouble with the law has difficulty getting a damn permit. Guess thats the way the system works.
 
2003-06-09 10:20:22 PM
Mex

" since GW is fluent in spanish, do you think he speaks spanish better than english?"

No, his spanish is actually worse than his english. I don't think he should even claim to speak spanish.


LOL! I often wondered about that. His spanish sounds even more lame than his english, if that is possible. Maybe he SHOULD just let Cheney do the ventriloquist thing!

"Ever notice that Mexicans almost always "hang out" with other Mexicans? Preservation of thier culture while in a foreign lands dictates such."

Well, that tends to happen in every culture.


Yeah, come to Chicago. The Poles tend to hang together, too. I think it's probably true anywhere you get a large ethnic population.
 
2003-06-09 10:23:39 PM
BitCloud87

This boggled my mine for years. How is it that my dad had difficulty getting a permit just to live here. Yes permit not even residency. Yet I know of people who have been arrested, have DUI's, don't know English, no education, and beat their wives have gotten their residency in under a year. And my dads's actually gone to college and earned two degrees and has never had any trouble with the law has difficulty getting a damn permit. Guess thats the way the system works.


Quotas? That would be my guess. Some countries have a limited number of people that can even enter the US.

Immigration is very poorly handled in this country, IMHO. We need to crack down on illegal immigrants hard. If you're illegal, you should be deported. I don't care how long you lived here or how good of a citizen you are, you're illegal. Sorry. Bye.
 
2003-06-09 10:33:25 PM
TheConvincingSavant
Governor George W Bush comfortably won the overseas absentee vote by 1,380 votes to Vice-President Al Gore's 750 but, after vigorous challenges by Gore canvassers, 1,527 of the postal ballots, many of them from soldiers and sailors on active service, were rejected.

With the two candidates just 930 votes apart, every ballot paper counts and is being intensely fought over by Democratic and Republican party officials.

Gen Norman Schwarzkopf, the Gulf war commander who now lives in Florida, led Republican condemnation of a five-page guide which advised Democratic tellers how to raise objections to the postal votes.

He said: "It is a very sad day in our country when the men and women of the armed forces are serving abroad and facing danger of a daily basis . . . and are denied the right to vote for the president of the United States who will be their commander in chief."

Democratic tellers were advised to block ballots if there was no clearly legible postmark on the envelope, which is frequently the case when letters are posted from military bases. Normally, these ballots pass unchallenged.


I don't get it. The military is all about doing things by the book. There's a rule for everything. And, now, when it comes to something as important as your vote, you don't have to follow the rules.

What about the Bush II gang calling up all the military people after election day and making sure that their troops got the vote in? Wasn't that part of the reason that these votes were questioned?

And wasn't Storming Norman a big Republican? What if one of his supply officers had said "No, we NEVER get that signed off on. It goes through without any signature at all." How long do you think that supply officer would last? An hour?

I call bullshiat on the whole "it's a very sad day" argument. It's a very sad day when an election gets stolen as well.
 
2003-06-09 10:34:10 PM
Hey, where'd everybody go??? :(
 
2003-06-09 10:57:24 PM
"Ever notice that Mexicans almost always "hang out" with other Mexicans?"

Yeah, I never see groups of wann-G white punks loitering around town!
 
2003-06-09 11:25:43 PM
Vale, no tengo tiempo para leer la lista entera de mensajes, especialmente con una mayora de mierda vestida de opiniones. La poblacin hispana estaba "aqu" ms que un siglo entre los americanos nativos y los colonizadores espaoles antes de que llegaran los anglosajones. No se trata de inmigracin ilegal sino de una poblacin legtima e importante a la historia y cultura de los EEUU.

Without the need for Babelfish, thank you very much. Go learn another language yourself. Maybe two.

Fiona_Applet, Spanish teacher
 
2003-06-09 11:28:58 PM
[grumble]Stupid formatting, cutting out the special characters[/grumble]
 
2003-06-09 11:51:50 PM
So how do you say "I'm a politician. Bend over at your own risk."?
 
2003-06-10 12:45:49 AM
I call bullshiat on the whole "it's a very sad day" argument. It's a very sad day when an election gets stolen as well.

Read the bold print in the article you quoted. Nothing was stolen. Get over it.
 
2003-06-10 01:47:03 AM
Yeah, it's a shame how those Mexicans are ruining the "American culture" of cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Sacramento, San Antonio, Las Vegas, San Jose, Santa Fe, Las Cruces, San Diego and El Paso. Ay, Dios Mio!


PS - Bush = cabron.
 
2003-06-10 03:26:44 AM
Hate hate hate, hate hate, hate. In fact hate hate hate hate. Therefore hate hate.
 
2003-06-10 09:15:03 AM
Yo quiero a comer los grandos salchichas de muchos perros en my villa, y yo gusto ti pequenos huevos.
 
2003-06-10 09:54:42 AM
To all the people trying to say the Mexicans had the land first, please look a little FARTHER back in history and maybe at a map, which will clearly show you where Spain is actually located.
 
2003-06-10 12:44:35 PM
06-09-03 07:28:56 PM TheConvincingSavant

Now that you've been proven wrong, lets try to cut out the thread jacking.


You've proven nothing wrong, troll. Your stupid link is a one sided argument. My link posted above shows that Bush got more military write in votes thrown out. Nice try buddy, but as usual, you are wrong. Your spin doesn't fly here.
 
2003-06-10 04:04:38 PM
Big Al

You've proven nothing wrong, troll.

Big Al's earlier posts:

"Please, for the sake of humanity, go play in traffic."

"Idiot."

"/typical redneck"


Listen up kid. I don't know what bizzaro world you come from but calling me a troll after some of the posts you've made to others just supports the insults that everyone here throws at you. You are nothing more than a Harmonia wannabe. Here is the question you posed to me:

You made a claim that Gore tried to block the legal military ballots and I'm asking you for proof.

I gave you unequivocal proof that Gore tried to block legal military ballots. It's right up there in black and white. I even bolded the good part.

Democratic tellers were advised to block ballots if there was no clearly legible postmark on the envelope, which is frequently the case when letters are posted from military bases. Normally, these ballots pass unchallenged.

I, for one, love it when you come on here flinging insults at everyone and then call me a troll for sticking to the facts. It just exposes your lack of knowledge. You lost another argument. Get over it. This won't be the last time it happens.

As patient as I am, you're lack of intelligent debate is getting old. Go back to school, and get a tutor this time.
 
2003-06-10 04:33:48 PM
06-10-03 04:04:38 PM TheConvincingSavant

Listen up kid. I don't know what bizzaro world you come from but calling me a troll after some of the posts you've made to others just supports the insults that everyone here throws at you. You are nothing more than a Harmonia wannabe.


That isn't trolling, thats stating the truth. I know it hurts sometimes.


Here is the question you posed to me:

You made a claim that Gore tried to block the legal military ballots and I'm asking you for proof.

I gave you unequivocal proof that Gore tried to block legal military ballots. It's right up there in black and white. I even bolded the good part.


Completely wrong. You stated that Gore was the only one trying to block military votes, to which I responded "yes, how dare he try to block votes that were illegal to begin with"

YOu asked for proof, I posted my link which proved it. Plus, it also said Bush had his share of blocking votes as well, which would make you a hypocrite if you condemn Gore for doing something that Bush got away with doing.


I, for one, love it when you come on here flinging insults at everyone and then call me a troll for sticking to the facts. It just exposes your lack of knowledge. You lost another argument. Get over it. This won't be the last time it happens.


Wrong again, moron. Your news article was over a year older than mine. When all the votes were counted, Bush blocked more military votes than Gore did.


As patient as I am, you're lack of intelligent debate is getting old. Go back to school, and get a tutor this time.


I'm glad you're so good at spinning arguments. Its unfortunate that I'm the only person that calls you out on it.

If you continue to deny it, I will glady post the comments and proof how you backtracked from "There were no military ballots that were deemed illegal" to "LOOK! GORE ENFORCED THE RULES!"
 
2003-06-10 04:35:41 PM
Democratic tellers were advised to block ballots if there was no clearly legible postmark on the envelope, which is frequently the case when letters are posted from military bases. Normally, these ballots pass unchallenged.

From your stupid article Savant...

That doesn't make the ballots "LEGAL"

By law, ballots ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A DATE ON THEM. Just because they have gotten around that in the past does not mean Gore is trying to block LEGAL VOTES. He was trying to abide by the rules, which Bush did definately not do.

Anything else you'd like to be proven wrong with?
 
2003-06-10 04:53:35 PM
That doesn't make the ballots "LEGAL"

It doesn't make them illegal either.

By law, ballots ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A DATE ON THEM.

They did. It's not there fault if the postal worker over seas didn't apply enough horsepower to make the postmark perfect. If you've ever been to a public post office you would know that this happens all of the time. That's why these votes have always been let through before. You asked for proof that Gore tried to block those votes. I showed you where Gore did something that had never been done in past elections.

That should be clear enough for even a troll.

Anything else you'd like to be proven wrong with?

You have to have a "first" for the to be an "else".
 
2003-06-10 05:06:32 PM
06-10-03 04:53:35 PM TheConvincingSavant

They did. It's not there fault if the postal worker over seas didn't apply enough horsepower to make the postmark perfect. If you've ever been to a public post office you would know that this happens all of the time. That's why these votes have always been let through before. You asked for proof that Gore tried to block those votes. I showed you where Gore did something that had never been done in past elections.


Unfortunately, your argument that Gore tried to block "legal votes" is ridiculous. Since the dates marked are not clearly legible they are thrown out. This happens all the time to regularly cast votes if they have "hanging chads" or other abnormalities.


That should be clear enough for even a troll.

You have to have a "first" for the to be an "else".


Again, your strawman arguments are hilarious.

I repeat, Gore did not try to throw out LEGAL VOTES. Gore tried to throw out votes which legally should be thrown out. But as I posted in my link, Bush was more sucessful in throwing out overseas ballots than Gore was.

Whats that sound now?? MORE backpeddling?? geez man, just give up, seriously.
 
2003-06-10 05:07:28 PM
You're making this way too easy son. I expect more of a challenge next time.
 
2003-06-10 05:16:18 PM
Unfortunately, your argument that Gore tried to block "legal votes" is ridiculous. Since the dates marked are not clearly legible they are thrown out. This happens all the time to regularly cast votes if they have "hanging chads" or other abnormalities.

Democratic tellers were advised to block ballots if there was no clearly legible postmark on the envelope, which is frequently the case when letters are posted from military bases. Normally, these ballots pass unchallenged.


You lose.

Again, your strawman arguments are hilarious.

Only in your bizzaro world would a person call facts a straw man argument.

Whats that sound now?? MORE backpeddling?? geez man, just give up, seriously.

Nope. That's me walking all over your argument. I know. It can be confusing for trolls to differentiate sounds.

You're making this way too easy son.

Hey thanks kiddo. I do make taking down your lies look pretty damn easy.

I think I've got a new fan.
 
2003-06-10 05:58:29 PM
06-10-03 05:16:18 PM TheConvincingSavant

Democratic tellers were advised to block ballots if there was no clearly legible postmark on the envelope, which is frequently the case when letters are posted from military bases. Normally, these ballots pass unchallenged.

You lose.


Once again, your mass stupidity gets in the way of reality. The reason the votes were not challenged previously was because elections were not close enough to change if said ballots were thrown out.

Thats like saying a cop pulled you over for speeding but didn't give you a ticket, so that means speeding is NOT illegal.


Only in your bizzaro world would a person call facts a straw man argument.


You call your arguments, facts? I'm sorry to hear that.


Nope. That's me walking all over your argument. I know. It can be confusing for trolls to differentiate sounds.


You calling anyone a troll is hilarious. pot=kettle. And you haven't walked all over anything. Except common sense.


Hey thanks kiddo. I do make taking down your lies look pretty damn easy.

I think I've got a new fan.


Sorry to disapoint you, but as usual, when all is said and done, you look like a complete moron. Enjoy.
 
2003-06-10 07:23:37 PM
Big Al

The reason the votes were not challenged previously was because elections were not close enough to change if said ballots were thrown out.

I'm glad to see you haven't given up your habit for making thing up. You have no proof to back up this idiotic claim.

Thats like saying a cop pulled you over for speeding but didn't give you a ticket, so that means speeding is NOT illegal.

Needs no explanation. Everyone here can see that the statement is both inadequate and poorly thought out. Come up with something more relevant.

You call your arguments, facts? I'm sorry to hear that.

I bet you are, seeing as how it proved you wrong.

You calling anyone a troll is hilarious. pot=kettle.

Find anywhere on this thread where I've trolled. Oh, and responding to a troll like you is not trolling.

Part of Big Al's firsten posten on this thread

Please, for the sake of humanity, go play in traffic.


Now you find something like that on me where I'm not defending myself against your trolling. What? You can't do it? Amazing!

I've proven you a troll every single time. And until you calm down and treat people with reason, I'll continue to point out your trolling.

Too easy.

Sorry to disapoint you, but as usual, when all is said and done, you look like a complete moron. Enjoy.

You'd have to lower the bar pretty low in order to disappoint me, and that's just not possible.

I do have mercy kid, and I suggest you quit while you're way behind so that you may save what face you have left (which is about a zit's worth).
 
2003-06-10 08:01:10 PM
06-10-03 07:23:37 PM TheConvincingSavant

I'm glad to see you haven't given up your habit for making thing up. You have no proof to back up this idiotic claim.


Idiotic claim? Sorry, its called common knowledge. Go look it up sometime. Then go look up the voting laws in the United States, and you will be surprised to know a write-in ballot without a legible date is not valid.


Needs no explanation. Everyone here can see that the statement is both inadequate and poorly thought out. Come up with something more relevant.


"everyone" = yourself


I bet you are, seeing as how it proved you wrong.


Your so called argument proved nothing. It only proved your lack of knowledge on the America voter system. A court ruling caused multiple instances of illegal ballots to be kept in the re-count, but which would normally be thrown out.


Find anywhere on this thread where I've trolled. Oh, and responding to a troll like you is not trolling.


You seem to be under the false impression that insulting people who made stupid comments is "trolling." You also assume that just because you laid back on the off-topic comments in the past few days, you suddenly don't have the label "troll" writen all over you.

Now you find something like that on me where I'm not defending myself against your trolling. What? You can't do it? Amazing!

You mean defending from trolling when all you did was say "DANCE DANCE" to every comment people made in a previous thread? Just one example of many.


I've proven you a troll every single time. And until you calm down and treat people with reason, I'll continue to point out your trolling.


DANCE DANCE! DANCE MONKEYBOY! DANCE!

/hypocrisy is fun


Too easy.


Yes, you really do make it very easy.

You'd have to lower the bar pretty low in order to disappoint me, and that's just not possible.

I do have mercy kid, and I suggest you quit while you're way behind so that you may save what face you have left (which is about a zit's worth).


Save what I have left? Lets go over this slowly, since you are mentally challenged:

you said:

06-09-03 04:31:38 PM TheConvincingSavant

Don't forget about the absentee military votes that the Gore camp wanted to have revoked.


I said:

06-09-03 04:47:38 PM Big Al

You mean the ones dated AFTER the deadline? How dare he try to follow the law!


You asked for proof on Gore saying how the ballots were illegal and in my link:

Of the 680 flawed ballots, the paper found: 344 ballots with no evidence they were cast on or before Election Day; 183 ballots with United States postmarks rather than overseas postmarks; 96 ballots lacking the required signature or address of a witness; 169 ballots from voters who were not registered, who failed to sign the envelope or who had not requested a ballot as required by federal law; five ballots received after the Nov. 17 deadline; and 19 voters who cast two ballots, both of which counted.


You then posted a stupid one sided link which accused ONLY Gore of trying to get ballots to not be counted when infact, the truth comes out:

Counties carried by Gore accepted two in 10 ballots that had no evidence they were mailed on or before Election Day. Counties carried by Bush accepted six in 10 of such ballots. Bush counties were four times as likely as Gore counties to count ballots lacking witness signatures and addresses.

I hope you're finished with this argument, because you really have nothing else to fall on.
 
2003-06-10 08:03:07 PM
Oops, I ment to add

Your so called argument proved nothing. It only proved your lack of knowledge on the America voter system. A court ruling caused multiple instances of illegal ballots to be kept in the re-count, but which would normally be thrown out when the total votes counted caused a very small margin of victory for one canidate, otherwise throwing out votes with no signatures, dates, etc. is pointless because the elected canidate would have won anyway
 
2003-06-10 08:07:01 PM
And just because I really love to laugh in your face, Savant, here are the laws which prove I win, and you, once again, are a complete loser

Florida Election Rule 1S-2.013 Absentee Ballots to Overseas Electors.
(7) With respect to the presidential preference primary and the general election, any absentee ballot cast for a federal office by an overseas elector which is postmarked or signed and dated no later than the date of the Federal election shall be counted if received no later than 10 days from the date of the Federal election as long as such absentee ballot is otherwise proper. Overseas electors shall be informed by the supervisors of elections of the provisions of this rule, i.e., the ten day extension provision for the presidential preference primary and the general election, and the provision for voting for the second primary.


Florida Election Code Section 101.62 Request for absentee ballots.--
(7)(c) With respect to marked ballots mailed by absent qualified electors overseas, only those ballots mailed with an APO, FPO, or foreign postmark shall be considered valid.


*takes victory podium* thank you thank you!
 
2003-06-10 08:39:31 PM
Big Al

Idiotic claim? Sorry, its called common knowledge.

Sure it is. Is that why they never practiced it in the past?

"everyone" = yourself

Sure kid. You got me.

Your so called argument proved nothing. It only proved your lack of knowledge on the America voter system. A court ruling caused multiple instances of illegal ballots to be kept in the re-count, but which would normally be thrown out.

Democratic tellers were advised to block ballots if there was no clearly legible postmark on the envelope, which is frequently the case when letters are posted from military bases. Normally, these ballots pass unchallenged.


Damn you fall for that one every time.

You seem to be under the false impression that insulting people who made stupid comments is "trolling." You also assume that just because you laid back on the off-topic comments in the past few days, you suddenly don't have the label "troll" writen all over you.

I saw how many people here dislike you and your trolling, so I was big enough to stop doing it myself. Now they'll look at me as a reasonable person when I don't call them an idiot for having a different opinion like you do on every thread. Plus I don't want to be in the same boat as Harmonia and yourself.

You mean defending from trolling when all you did was say "DANCE DANCE" to every comment people made in a previous thread? Just one example of many.

I wrote

Find anywhere on this thread where I've trolled. Oh, and responding to a troll like you is not trolling.

Smoke and mirrors kid. We live in the present, not the past.

Wrong again.

Save what I have left? Lets go over this slowly, since you are mentally challenged:

you said:

You made a claim that Gore tried to block the legal military ballots and I'm asking you for proof.

Then I gave you undeniable proof.

Democratic tellers were advised to block ballots if there was no clearly legible postmark on the envelope, which is frequently the case when letters are posted from military bases. Normally, these ballots pass unchallenged.

Then you did what you normally do which is ignore the truth and begin a walk to trollville.

I hope you're finished with this argument, because you really have nothing else to fall on.

A court ruling caused multiple instances of illegal ballots to be kept in the re-count, but which would normally be thrown out when the total votes counted caused a very small margin of victory for one canidate, otherwise throwing out votes with no signatures, dates, etc. is pointless because the elected canidate would have won anyway

And now you dodge the issue by saying it's pointless. The only thing that's pointless is you trying to prove your side with name calling and propaganda.

Florida Election Rule 1S-2.013 Absentee Ballots to Overseas Electors.
(7) With respect to the presidential preference primary and the general election, any absentee ballot cast for a federal office by an overseas elector which is postmarked or signed and dated no later than the date of the Federal election shall be counted if received no later than 10 days from the date of the Federal election as long as such absentee ballot is otherwise proper. Overseas electors shall be informed by the supervisors of elections of the provisions of this rule, i.e., the ten day extension provision for the presidential preference primary and the general election, and the provision for voting for the second primary.

Florida Election Code Section 101.62 Request for absentee ballots.--
(7)(c) With respect to marked ballots mailed by absent qualified electors overseas, only those ballots mailed with an APO, FPO, or foreign postmark shall be considered valid.


More smoke and mirrors. Where does it say they should be thrown out for having all of the information you just posted but have the ink be a little too faded or the smeared or only 3/4 of the stamp is showing. What it's not there. What, you've got nothing.

*pushes the loser off of the victory podium* apologizes to the crowd for the child that got lose and wet his pants.
 
2003-06-10 10:37:58 PM
Damn, I havent seen an argument like that since I stopped going to Alt.Flame.Furry newsgroup. Very nice!
 
2003-06-10 11:20:45 PM
We aim to please.
 
2003-06-11 11:40:47 AM
Democratic tellers were advised to block ballots if there was no clearly legible postmark on the envelope, which is frequently the case when letters are posted from military bases. Normally, these ballots pass unchallenged.


Damn you fall for that one every time.


Fall for what? That is not even close to a valid point. First of all, "they do not normally pass unchallenged" they usually get thrown out, if you say differently please post proof. Otherwise, the law I posted which said ballots are ONLY ALLOWED IF DATES ARE 10 DAYS PAST THE DUE DATE AND BEFORE pretty much throws out that stupid biased spin your wonderful article put on it.

I'm done laughing at your stupidity. You are arguing something based only on a biased website who reported incorrectly that only Gore was trying to block votes. Just based off that fact alone proves that your article should be thrown out and posted by Faux News or another "news" source.
 
2003-06-12 07:46:42 PM
Fall for what? That is not even close to a valid point. First of all, "they do not normally pass unchallenged" they usually get thrown out, if you say differently please post proof.

Look at the bold quote in your quote dummy.

Otherwise, the law I posted which said ballots are ONLY ALLOWED IF DATES ARE 10 DAYS PAST THE DUE DATE AND BEFORE pretty much throws out that stupid biased spin your wonderful article put on it.

I leave the spinning up to you. Who says they were out of date? You haven't proven that.

I'm done laughing at your stupidity. You are arguing something based only on a biased website

Ah, now your desperate. You blame the source because your argument has failed you.

You may be laughing at me, but everyone here is laughing at you.
 
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