Kazan:
I actually know a 100 lb woman who can easily beat the shiat out of a 300lb man. She's a 4th Dan in (Olympic style, aka actual) Tae Kwon Do (not typical ITF-style shiatkwando taught through out most of the US during the 80s and 90s) who is the student of a Grandmaster and former South Korea secret service instructor (he holds 8th Dan in Tae Kwon do, 6th Dan in Hapkido and 6th Dan in Judo as of last i heard about 4 years ago).


so before you open your mouth with a presumptuous an insulting statement implying that I'm being dishonest/delusion perhaps you should know what the fark you're talking about.


You have no idea what you're talking about. First of all Tae Kwon do is an ineffective self-defense fighting style. A 200lb man with any kind of fighting experience and/or training would never be incapacitated by the woman you describe. Now, she may be able to cause enough damage/distraction to escape, but she would never defeat a person like that in a fight. As soon as he had a hold of her or had her on the ground or one clean punch to the face, she'd be done.

Go back to your "Salt" and "Charlie's Angels" fantasies.

Hey, is this a problem?

1) Take out an enormous Loan
2) Liquidate All Assets
3) Purchase highly sought after guns worth about the same
4) Declare bankruptcy and keep guns
5) Sell guns thereby keeping the loaned money

Dracolich: Hey, is this a problem?

1) Take out an enormous Loan
2) Liquidate All Assets
3) Purchase highly sought after guns worth about the same
4) Declare bankruptcy and keep guns
5) Sell guns thereby keeping the loaned money

Yeah... you'd only get to keep $1,500 worth of guns when you declared bankruptcy.

joegekko: Isn't McDonald's mostly rendered moo, anyway?

I guffawed.

joegekko: Dracolich: Hey, is this a problem?

1) Take out an enormous Loan
2) Liquidate All Assets
3) Purchase highly sought after guns worth about the same
4) Declare bankruptcy and keep guns
5) Sell guns thereby keeping the loaned money

Yeah... you'd only get to keep $1,500 worth of guns when you declared bankruptcy.

Gotcha, didn't read the article. For what it's worth, this would be a neat trick for the homeless. Payday loan + handgun + bankruptcy = free gun.

Dey took urrrr goons? Oh wait they didn't.

Kazan: I actually know a 100 lb woman who can easily beat the shiat out of a 300lb man. She's a 4th Dan in (Olympic style, aka actual) Tae Kwon Do (not typical ITF-style shiatkwando taught through out most of the US during the 80s and 90s) who is the student of a Grandmaster and former South Korea secret service instructor (he holds 8th Dan in Tae Kwon do, 6th Dan in Hapkido and 6th Dan in Judo as of last i heard about 4 years ago).


so before you open your mouth with a presumptuous an insulting statement implying that I'm being dishonest/delusion perhaps you should know what the fark you're talking about.

Hahahahaha!

Kazan: So apparently this is the thread where a bunch of pisspantings cowards who don't know how to differentiate between movie martial arts and shiatty watered down martial arts and real martial arts tries to tell us how martial arts don't work.

nevermind that the Grandmaster who was the head instructor where I was used to be former South Korean Secret Service, that he's the self defense instructor for the State Patrol and the city PD, or that our team always places decently in the international championship.

Who knew "West Des Moines" was such a hotbed of martial arts badassery.

I don't have any problem with this.

Good job Democrat Controlled Congress!!!

liam76: Kazan: I actually know a 100 lb woman who can easily beat the shiat out of a 300lb man. She's a 4th Dan in (Olympic style, aka actual) Tae Kwon Do (not typical ITF-style shiatkwando taught through out most of the US during the 80s and 90s) who is the student of a Grandmaster and former South Korea secret service instructor (he holds 8th Dan in Tae Kwon do, 6th Dan in Hapkido and 6th Dan in Judo as of last i heard about 4 years ago).


so before you open your mouth with a presumptuous an insulting statement implying that I'm being dishonest/delusion perhaps you should know what the fark you're talking about.

Hahahahaha!

ssshhhhhhhhhhh! That guy is just looking for attention! If we don't respond, he'll go away...

/or maybe hes the most badass internet tough guy known to man

liam76: Who knew "West Des Moines" was such a hotbed of martial arts badassery.

About 7,590 results.

Kazan: not really.. several martial arts specialize in using an enemies own force against them (Judo for example).

haha, cause the small guy in judo has a huge advantage.

Kazan: and don't confused International Tae Kwon Do federation shiat which is useless and more likely to hurt you than to be useful than ACTUAL Tae Kwon Do (World Tae Kwon Do Federation style).

I remember when World Tae Kwon Do Federation style revolutionalized MMA because it so superior to everything else out there...

Kazan: Grandmaster Yong Chin Pak, martial arts instructor at Iowa State University.

bike me trollface.

A grandmaster in the are doesn't mean that there are 100lb women running around who can destroy 300 lb men.


Kazan: MMA is a load of horse shiat.

Where else can different styles face off and prove which is better?

You can sit here all day talking about how badass your flavor of martial arts is, but unless it is put up against other people trained in something else that is all it is, talk.

Kazan: palelizard: (or worse, since equal training levels would likely benefit the bigger and stronger proportionally more).

not really.. several martial arts specialize in using an enemies own force against them (Judo for example).

Well, sure, I'd bet on a black belt in aikido being able to defend themselves against a black belt in karate, but if the martial arts are the same as is the real skill level, I'm gonna bet on the one with reach, strength and weight. They might be less important in some arts than others, but on the whole, I'm reluctant to dismiss them as significant factors when all other things are equal.


Kazan: wow.. just.... wow

You feel the government should have all the power? I'd rather there no weapons like that at all, mind you, but since that's not going to happen...

Kazan:
Hacker_X: It all depends on her staying out of his reach and hitting him in the right spots. Of course if he lands one lucky hit he could easily knock her out with just that one. But if she is smart and manages to hit his ankles and knees (two places that take relatively little force to cause serious damage) she could theoretically take him out in mere seconds.

knife hand to the throat works well, so does an elbow strike to the sternum, or a fast kick to the nether regions.

there are a lot of ways a smaller opponent can overcome a larger one.


I thought about the throat but ruled it out since most women have shorter arms than men. That means if she is in range to hit his throat then he is easily in range to do the same. I pointed out the knees and ankles not only because they are vulnerable points but also because they can be hit from the side or behind making it difficult to avoid the hits and nearly impossible to block or counter unless the 300 pound man in question is amazingly nimble and flexible.

Kazan: and don't confused International Tae Kwon Do federation shiat which is useless and more likely to hurt you than to be useful than ACTUAL Tae Kwon Do (World Tae Kwon Do Federation style).

Isn't that what they do in the olympics?

Aren't you not allowed to punch in the head?

Tae Kwan Do. Yeah.

Listen, with all other things being equal someone with some TKD training will be better off in a fight than someone with no experienced at all, but the same could be said about TaeBo. But seriously, it's a sport not a martial art, and nobody's keeping score anyway.

Sure, apparently this 100 pound chick is the human incarnation of Chun Li and she makes your shorts tight just thinking about the flying roundhouse kicks she'd use to totally destroy some hulking behemoth of a mugger, but even if this is all true she's nothing more than a statistical outlier.

I was a bouncer in college before I joined the army, and most fights that lasted longer than one solid punch ended up on the ground, the people I worried about weren't hundred pound chicks wearing gi's, they were kids who wrestled in high school, or had a little boxing background, or, more likely had the one thing you can't teach: BIG.

I studied martial arts kiddo, a couple of styles, hell I got hired to the bouncing gig by a sensei, even if nowadays I'd like to think I'm usually smart enough to employ a little Track Fu and run the fark out of there if I feel a situation developing. Grappling, American Style Boxing, Kickboxing are what rule the day in mixed martial arts, an extremely good TKD practitioner might get lucky against a real fighter, but it's not going to work out well for him when he runs into anyone who knows the score.

And as for a female handling a 300 pound man? Google "sexual dimorphism" and get back to me.

dittybopper: Well, if you paid for them with any form of credit or debit card, they'd know about them. Then there is the infamous bound book and Form 4473 at the local gun shops, if you bought them there. And some states require you to register all, or certain types, of firearms.

Would cost more than it's worth, on average. Unless you spent tens of thousands there, there will be a limited credit card trail, and they have no obligation to let you search the bound book unless you have a warrant, which you aren't getting for bankruptcy court.

Kazan: I actually know a 100 lb woman who can easily beat the shiat out of a 300lb man. She's a 4th Dan in (Olympic style, aka actual) Tae Kwon Do (not typical ITF-style shiatkwando taught through out most of the US during the 80s and 90s) who is the student of a Grandmaster and former South Korea secret service instructor (he holds 8th Dan in Tae Kwon do, 6th Dan in Hapkido and 6th Dan in Judo as of last i heard about 4 years ago).

You also realize that she's effectively as rare as hen's teeth? Your average mugger could mugg a woman a day for 40 years and not meet one like her. He'd be much more likely to happen across a woman with a gun, police officer or not.

Of course, your 'average' 300 pound guy is a big fattie, I'll fully admit that I'm fat at 180 pounds. I'd put my odds against her as better than a fattie. I'm not stupid enough to say that I wouldn't get hurt, but I'm willing to bet that I'd hurt her as well. Especially if I can bring some 'friends'.

I support women(and men) learning basic non-firearm self defense, but it's not enough to scale the difference between a fit 18 year old male vs a 40 something year old female with medical problems.

Mom's 9mm provides a lot of evening though...

so before you open your mouth with a presumptuous an insulting statement implying that I'm being dishonest/delusion perhaps you should know what the fark you're talking about.

From his post his point would be that women such as what you mention are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

You get a LOT more women out there like my mother. Clinically obese*, diabetic, with messed up legs and unable to run.

*Sorry mom, but you are.
yes.. those oh-so-dangerous methheads

Worse than crack-heads, from what I hear.

Back on the op article - $1500 isn't anywhere near enough for a 'real' select fire AK-47. An SKS would easily be under the limit, but they're useful for both self defense and hunting with careful ammo selection. 7.62x39 is sufficient for deer hunting, but a bit on the light side for today. Ballistically it's around a .30-30.

$1500 is sufficient for a *reasonable* shotgun, a *reasonable* deer rifle, with maybe enough left over for a self defense handgun.
Marlin 336C .30-30 lever action: MSRP $563.63 (Deer rifle)
Remington 870 Express 12 gauge: $383 (Birding shotgun)
CZ75B 9mm: $609 (self defense).

This actually adds up to $1555.63, but let's say that you bought them long enough ago that $56 of depreciation has happened. Decent* scope is a couple hundred, but should still come under the $1500, especially if you bought the kit used.

Possible solutions include a small game .22 instead of the shottie or handgun, etc...

*Many firearm enthusiasts would disagree, thinking you need at least a $600 scope to be 'decent'.

Fine, I'll keep the Barret, .444 and Beretta 96.

My girlfriend can have my p90, my other p90 and the 700.

thought up the line


"You're only truly serious about your land if your wife carries a spotter and spare match grade in her purse."

Kazan: no, that was the type of line that extremists who think private citizens have the right to own nukes use.

Yeah, I know. There are days where the idealogue in me says "Yes, they should, because then no one would ever fark with them again. They'd be free."

The pragmatist recognizes that's just crazy talk, especially if you examine the example of terrorists and the U.S. They aren't afraid of nukes, so the weapon becomes useless against them and simply a danger to everyone else.

I don't know where the line should be drawn. I don't honestly think my government is going to go totalitiarian. But I'm not sure the likelihood of resistance hasn't been what has stayed their hand in the past. How can I defend myself against the government if it comes to usage of force? And in the end, that's what power boils down to--the threat and use of force.

palelizard:
I don't know where the line should be drawn.

There's already a pretty good line with the legal definition of 'destructive device'.

The old 'Arms, not ordnance' chestnut.

Kazan, before you go off half cocked, I trained for about a month with the South Korean Army guys who were offering TKD training at Baghram in Afghanistan.

Now tell me that they were using the toy poodle version of your sport and I'll tell you to suck it. I stand by my opinion of TKD, theres like three kicks and a few strikes that are useful in the whole overly ornate mess, and nothing that isn't taught more effectively elsewhere. It's like comparing an airsoft match to combat.

Kazan: you can't and thinking that we should be worried about that is exactly the type of utterly ridiculous paranoia that makes me not trust someone to be a responsible owner of firearms.

because it's essentially schizophrenic thinking

I think the founders had just won a rebellion against a government they considered very oppressive. Yes, you can argue they were all rich, white, male landowners who didn't want to pay taxes (and weren't really oppressed), but I wouldn't call their thinking schizophrenic.

joegekko: There's already a pretty good line with the legal definition of 'destructive device'.

The old 'Arms, not ordnance' chestnut.

I don't know the letter, but the spirit seems reasonable. But as I mentioned earlier, private folks and companies back in the day had cannons. You could blow stuff up and they managed not to.

Kazan: what many people refuse to acknowledge is that the exercise of one right can infringe upon another right, if it does so it is not a protected exercise. yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is one such example.

"Money as Speech" in campaign finance should be considered another (violates Right to Representation)

the potential for irreversible infringement (ie bodily harm or death) must also be considered.

Sure, absolutely. There's a common good aspect, certainly. I don't want my neighbor storing nitroglycerin in his garage.

I guess we could establish some ground questions:

1. How likely is it to go off unintentionally, and what are the likely results?
2. If used intentionally, what is the likelihood of collateral damage? How much?
3. How many targets can this be used on at once? What is the expected effect on the target/s?

The Stealth Hippopotamus:

I've got no problems with enthusiasts getting a little geeky, and I don't claim to be the biggest badass on the block, but the typical TAEKWANFUKARATEOMG hero worshipper tends to have so much invested emotionally in their particular brand of ass kickery that they end up blinded to the basic practical aspects of a real fight, no pads, no stopping on cue, no control other than what you are able to exert, and no boundaries. It's like arguing religion or sports or teaching a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Kazan: something that isn't a collection of tough guys who only half learned their martial arts who need to prove they don't have micrpenis

Where are the guys who fully learned their martial art competing?

Kazan: close quarters fighting doesn't close the opportunities to strike vulnerable spots. when i was in high school i had a wrestler start a fight with me, he threw a punch, i dodge and nailed him and then he tackled me and tried to wrestle me. i just nailed him in a soft spot (kidney) full force and that broke his grapple.

Who knew kidney punches trumps all grappling.

You shoudl take that to MMA, and make millions...

I thought Obama was going to ban guns. That's why we all need to run out and get one.

dittybopper: Mugato: How do they even know what you own?

Well, if you paid for them with any form of credit or debit card, they'd know about them. Then there is the infamous bound book and Form 4473 at the local gun shops, if you bought them there. And some states require you to register all, or certain types, of firearms.

But yeah, if you bought them 'off paper' with cash, or inherited them or something, there really isn't any way for them to know unless you declare them, and you can always claim you had to buy the PVC pipe for plumbing repairs ;-)

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They make me laugh, 'cause we all know Kapawara is the world's greatest martial arts.



Ahem.

jafiwam: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They make me laugh, 'cause we all know Kapawara is the world's greatest martial arts.

Ahem.

Ahem, indeed. It's "Capoeira".