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2010-08-03 11:42:12 PM
www.pantherkut.com

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2010-08-03 11:48:40 PM
duh.
 
2010-08-03 11:52:18 PM
That's why it's called fast food. If it was any slower, they wouldn't stick around to pick up their orders.
 
2010-08-04 12:09:54 AM
It's all fun and games, but what if I really do want to see your Pokemon cards?
 
2010-08-04 12:10:57 AM
done in one.
 
2010-08-04 12:29:23 AM
Pity there appears to be only one stale ADD joke (with minor variations) in the known universe.

How stale is it, you ask? It's even staler than my sandy vagina.
 
2010-08-04 02:07:33 AM
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2010-08-04 02:16:08 AM
I'm pretty sure western food consists of more than just burgers, fries, and other "take-out food, sugar, salt, fried and processed foods." Thanks for being d-bags, guys. Is there also western healthy food?
 
2010-08-04 02:48:07 AM
joepac1: I'm pretty sure western food consists of more than just burgers, fries, and other "take-out food, sugar, salt, fried and processed foods." Thanks for being d-bags, guys. Is there also western healthy food?

Actually, if you look at contemporary Asian diets, there is tons of sugar and salt and fried and processed stuff. Ramen is one example. Invented by sheer convenience. Tempura is another one, but that was introduced to the Japanese by the Portuguese. There is some evidence that the high salt intake by Asians results in the high incidence of stomach cancer in those regions.
 
2010-08-04 02:59:53 AM
From another article citing this really shiatty "research":

"The research is based on data from a longitudinal study, but doesn't show whether eating poorly causes behavior disorders or whether poor self control results in bad food choices."

Wait, so correlation isn't causation?! But ... but... I *trusted* the Metro, it's a Canadian newspaper! I thought the handful of competent journalists lived there... guess not.

Also, "research based on data from a longitudinal study" == "we ran a spreadsheet on somebody else's spreadsheet [on somebody else's spreadsheet] and now we are in the NEWS!" Morans.

/ I mean, the article is quintessential Fark material, granted...
// Still makes me angry
 
2010-08-04 03:25:21 AM
i294.photobucket.com
 
2010-08-04 03:26:43 AM
I like fish.
 
2010-08-04 03:35:01 AM
 
2010-08-04 03:40:55 AM
I went to a McDonalds once when I was about 6 years old and I had really blonde hair that was pretty much white. All the Mexicans liked to rub my white head because they all head only black hair and thought I was a god or the reincarnation of their sacred albino iguana or something.
 
2010-08-04 03:48:10 AM
Captain Wingo: From another article citing this really shiatty "research":

"The research is based on data from a longitudinal study, but doesn't show whether eating poorly causes behavior disorders or whether poor self control results in bad food choices."

Wait, so correlation isn't causation?! But ... but... I *trusted* the Metro, it's a Canadian newspaper! I thought the handful of competent journalists lived there... guess not.

Also, "research based on data from a longitudinal study" == "we ran a spreadsheet on somebody else's spreadsheet [on somebody else's spreadsheet] and now we are in the NEWS!" Morans.

/ I mean, the article is quintessential Fark material, granted...
// Still makes me angry


The plural of anecdote is not data and all that, but I spent much of my childhood eating frikking homemade granola for breakfast, was rarely allowed to eat candy and almost never fed fast food, and even was temporarily banned from apple juice and graham crackers on the grounds that they were making me hyper, and during season was fed tomatoes and peppers that my dad grew in 5 gallon buckets in the back yard. And if you guessed that I have ADHD, you'd be right.

/was always jealous of the kids who were fed white bread
 
2010-08-04 03:56:23 AM
BallZach: I went to a McDonalds once when I was about 6 years old and I had really blonde hair that was pretty much white. All the Mexicans liked to rub my white head because they all head only black hair and thought I was a god or the reincarnation of their sacred albino iguana or something.

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2010-08-04 04:31:21 AM
BallZach: I went to a McDonalds once when I was about 6 years old and I had really blonde hair that was pretty much white. All the Mexicans liked to rub my white head because they all head only black hair and thought I was a god or the reincarnation of their sacred albino iguana or something.

Well, to be fair- white heads are more fun to squeeze than black heads.
 
2010-08-04 05:27:51 AM
Mumble, mumble, correlation, causation. Something, something, causal relationship to third factor something.

Maybe, just out of my ass here, both ADHD and fast food diets are related to remote controlled televisions? I mean, of hundreds of possible explanations that's the one I just shat out. How about the availability of Dora the Explorer Band-Aids causes both ADHD and a poor diet? Ice cream causes murder in NYC? (Actually, I think that's apocryphal, but it's a good example nonetheless.)
 
2010-08-04 05:35:10 AM
I blame Jenny McCarthy.
 
2010-08-04 05:43:59 AM
Oooh, a piece of candy!
Oooh, a piece of candy!
Oooh, a piece of candy!
Oooh, a piece of candy!
Oooh, a piece of candy!
Oooh, a piece of candy!
 
2010-08-04 05:45:31 AM
TopoGigo: Mumble, mumble, correlation, causation. Something, something, causal relationship to third factor something.

Maybe, just out of my ass here, both ADHD and fast food diets are related to remote controlled televisions? I mean, of hundreds of possible explanations that's the one I just shat out. How about the availability of Dora the Explorer Band-Aids causes both ADHD and a poor diet? Ice cream causes murder in NYC? (Actually, I think that's apocryphal, but it's a good example nonetheless.)


I have a long-standing theory that the downfall of mankind will be caused by the telephone, television, and the automobile. All of those things destroyed "the village." Those things made it possible for people to communicate beyond their means. The Internet still does that. And thousands of people run around trying to recreate "the village" in so-called third world countries.
 
2010-08-04 07:11:12 AM
I'm going to blame the parenting. The type of parents who feed their children Mickey D's all the time are probably more likely to raise screw ups.
 
2010-08-04 08:24:01 AM
BrokenToilet: I'm going to blame the parenting. The type of parents who feed their children Mickey D's all the time are probably more likely to raise screw ups.

Came in to say this. Luckily, there's a new treatment for it. (pops)
 
2010-08-04 08:47:34 AM
hmm...what you take in affects you?

what you take in over time and volume may affect you even MORE???

/say it isn't so...
 
2010-08-04 08:47:43 AM
Is it a bad sign that I was hopelessly distracted by the picture of burgers and fries?
 
2010-08-04 09:15:20 AM
Sun God: I have a long-standing theory that the downfall of mankind will be caused by the telephone, television, and the automobile. All of those things destroyed "the village." Those things made it possible for people to communicate beyond their means. The Internet still does that. And thousands of people run around trying to recreate "the village" in so-called third world countries.

The Amish would agree.

No, really; it's a point of theology for them. The point behind their rejection of some modern technology is that they believe it weakens the bonds between people in the community. They're more hardcore about it than your post, of course (they don't keep photographs, for example, though most don't particularly mind having their pictures taken) but it stems from the same principle you described.

And while I think they go way too far, I'm not sure that the core assumption about the importance of bonds in the community is wrong. They've been shown to have some of the lowest rates of "new" diseases like autism and ADHD in the world. What if these things, far from being the genetic/hormonal/developmental disorders that researchers currently investigate, are actually mental illnesses caused by a lack of healthy connections? Has this possibility been ruled out yet (honest question; I don't know)?
 
2010-08-04 09:42:26 AM
TopoGigo: Maybe, just out of my ass here, both ADHD and fast food diets are related to remote controlled televisions? I mean, of hundreds of possible explanations that's the one I just shat out.

The confusion is that ADHD is a bona fide disorder whereas most Americans just lack the skill to focus.

To put this in perspective with an analogy, look at how many goddamn bad drivers there are on the road. There are millions of them. Most of them are capable of driving better; they just don't because they're lazy, inconsiderate and flat-out irresponsible. It's a serious problem; they just don't have an excuse.

The ADHD equivalents are the cars that have genuinely serious problems with the steering system, like a worn-out rack & pinion. These aren't necessarily bad drivers; they could be, but the cars are literally impossible to control. Far more rare, far more serious and requires an entirely different approach.

But you KNOW that as soon as it's announced some cars can't be steered, a large chunk of the masses will blame their bad driving on a rare problem that doesn't apply to them. Then, people get sick of hearing about it, so they start joking about it.

This is why having ADHD sucks.
 
2010-08-04 10:03:11 AM
dragonchild: TopoGigo: Maybe, just out of my ass here, both ADHD and fast food diets are related to remote controlled televisions? I mean, of hundreds of possible explanations that's the one I just shat out.

The confusion is that ADHD is a bona fide disorder whereas most Americans just lack the skill to focus.

To put this in perspective with an analogy, look at how many goddamn bad drivers there are on the road. There are millions of them. Most of them are capable of driving better; they just don't because they're lazy, inconsiderate and flat-out irresponsible. It's a serious problem; they just don't have an excuse.

The ADHD equivalents are the cars that have genuinely serious problems with the steering system, like a worn-out rack & pinion. These aren't necessarily bad drivers; they could be, but the cars are literally impossible to control. Far more rare, far more serious and requires an entirely different approach.

But you KNOW that as soon as it's announced some cars can't be steered, a large chunk of the masses will blame their bad driving on a rare problem that doesn't apply to them. Then, people get sick of hearing about it, so they start joking about it.

This is why having ADHD sucks.


THIS. Newsletter please.
 
2010-08-04 10:09:54 AM
TsukasaK: dragonchild: TopoGigo: Maybe, just out of my ass here, both ADHD and fast food diets are related to remote controlled televisions? I mean, of hundreds of possible explanations that's the one I just shat out.

The confusion is that ADHD is a bona fide disorder whereas most Americans just lack the skill to focus.

To put this in perspective with an analogy, look at how many goddamn bad drivers there are on the road. There are millions of them. Most of them are capable of driving better; they just don't because they're lazy, inconsiderate and flat-out irresponsible. It's a serious problem; they just don't have an excuse.

The ADHD equivalents are the cars that have genuinely serious problems with the steering system, like a worn-out rack & pinion. These aren't necessarily bad drivers; they could be, but the cars are literally impossible to control. Far more rare, far more serious and requires an entirely different approach.

But you KNOW that as soon as it's announced some cars can't be steered, a large chunk of the masses will blame their bad driving on a rare problem that doesn't apply to them. Then, people get sick of hearing about it, so they start joking about it.

This is why having ADHD sucks.

THIS. Newsletter please.


I would like to as well.

It would always piss me off when my family would look at my 4 year old little cousin running around acting like a 4 year old and say "Oh she has ADD so bad." And I would say "No, SHE'S farkING 4!!!"
 
2010-08-04 10:28:56 AM
maybe, and im just spitballing here, it could be that there isn't a link between the food and the disease so much as the western world has more lazy ass parents who would rather pack their kids full of drugs rather than say let them run around and wear themselves out or actually oh i dont know, discipline them.

/just a theory
 
2010-08-04 10:30:50 AM
dragonchild: TopoGigo: Maybe, just out of my ass here, both ADHD and fast food diets are related to remote controlled televisions? I mean, of hundreds of possible explanations that's the one I just shat out.

The confusion is that ADHD is a bona fide disorder whereas most Americans just lack the skill to focus.

To put this in perspective with an analogy, look at how many goddamn bad drivers there are on the road. There are millions of them. Most of them are capable of driving better; they just don't because they're lazy, inconsiderate and flat-out irresponsible. It's a serious problem; they just don't have an excuse.

The ADHD equivalents are the cars that have genuinely serious problems with the steering system, like a worn-out rack & pinion. These aren't necessarily bad drivers; they could be, but the cars are literally impossible to control. Far more rare, far more serious and requires an entirely different approach.

But you KNOW that as soon as it's announced some cars can't be steered, a large chunk of the masses will blame their bad driving on a rare problem that doesn't apply to them. Then, people get sick of hearing about it, so they start joking about it.

This is why having ADHD sucks.


So people with ADHD are poor and can't afford to fix their problems, OR, are too lazy to fix their problems.
 
2010-08-04 10:36:48 AM
Rokoh: So people with ADHD are poor and can't afford to fix their problems, OR, are too lazy to fix their problems.

Yes. And, black people are midgets.
 
2010-08-04 10:57:36 AM
ADHD is a western concoction, so it stands to reason, that the people who are claimed to have it will be consuming the native food of their land.
 
2010-08-04 10:58:36 AM
I've always wondered how people dealt with depression or ADHD in the past, before the advent of modern medicine. I guess they just dealt with it.
 
2010-08-04 11:00:35 AM
dragonchild: TopoGigo: Maybe, just out of my ass here, both ADHD and fast food diets are related to remote controlled televisions? I mean, of hundreds of possible explanations that's the one I just shat out.

The confusion is that ADHD is a bona fide disorder whereas most Americans just lack the skill to focus.

To put this in perspective with an analogy, look at how many goddamn bad drivers there are on the road. There are millions of them. Most of them are capable of driving better; they just don't because they're lazy, inconsiderate and flat-out irresponsible. It's a serious problem; they just don't have an excuse.

The ADHD equivalents are the cars that have genuinely serious problems with the steering system, like a worn-out rack & pinion. These aren't necessarily bad drivers; they could be, but the cars are literally impossible to control. Far more rare, far more serious and requires an entirely different approach.

But you KNOW that as soon as it's announced some cars can't be steered, a large chunk of the masses will blame their bad driving on a rare problem that doesn't apply to them. Then, people get sick of hearing about it, so they start joking about it.

This is why having ADHD sucks.


I would say it's the equivalent of an over-engineered car which has a zillion something extra bells and whistles AND manual transmission. Toss in your GPS, your iPod dock, your automated cup holder and seat warmer, it's all extra crap that's prone to breaking or breaking down, and when it's all on, it causes the car to run out of gas that much faster.

The ADHD brain is kinda like that. With the overwhelming number of thoughts running through the mind like a beehive, it's exhausting.

I heard meditation works, but it bores the crap out of me.
 
2010-08-04 11:06:38 AM
As a 45 year old who finally sought treatment this year, I fell into the "fark, maybe i AM just a undisciplined loser" camp for years. Believe me, it's just not something you can suck up and make go away. I basically pissed my life away because I was too macho or whatever to get evaluated. And still, maybe 75% of adults I speak to still think it's a load of shait.
 
2010-08-04 11:11:33 AM
came here to go mmmmm at the picture of in'n'out
 
2010-08-04 11:21:04 AM
PsyLord: I've always wondered how people dealt with depression or ADHD in the past, before the advent of modern medicine. I guess they just dealt with it.

If you suffered from a mental disorder, in the past, you would be an outcast. A sympathetic family would either hide you or put you to work in-house to keep you from the undignified masses eager to throw tomatoes at you. Otherwise you were thrown out for being "lazy" or "useless", blamed as a failure and left to rot in the streets.

Frankly, it still works that way for a lot of people. Thank you, Ronald Reagan.

Toquinha: I would say it's the equivalent of an over-engineered car which has a zillion something extra bells and whistles AND manual transmission.

You miss the point. I'm not trying to provide insight on what ADHD actually is. My analogy clarifies how people suffering from ADHD fit in with the rest of society.
 
2010-08-04 11:47:24 AM
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Let's go, punks. I've got my psychic deck and my almighty water deck in the back of my closet with the rest of the stuff from my youth.
 
2010-08-04 11:52:03 AM
dragonchild: TopoGigo: Maybe, just out of my ass here, both ADHD and fast food diets are related to remote controlled televisions? I mean, of hundreds of possible explanations that's the one I just shat out.

The confusion is that ADHD is a bona fide disorder whereas most Americans just lack the skill to focus.

To put this in perspective with an analogy, look at how many goddamn bad drivers there are on the road. There are millions of them. Most of them are capable of driving better; they just don't because they're lazy, inconsiderate and flat-out irresponsible. It's a serious problem; they just don't have an excuse.

The ADHD equivalents are the cars that have genuinely serious problems with the steering system, like a worn-out rack & pinion. These aren't necessarily bad drivers; they could be, but the cars are literally impossible to control. Far more rare, far more serious and requires an entirely different approach.

But you KNOW that as soon as it's announced some cars can't be steered, a large chunk of the masses will blame their bad driving on a rare problem that doesn't apply to them. Then, people get sick of hearing about it, so they start joking about it.

This is why having ADHD sucks.


Tourette's as well.

People like to think that all brains are wired the same way. Everybody is just like they are (or more precisely, they are Normal). Nobody ever has a malfunction, so if somebody does anything differently (not Normal), it has to be an act.

It's worst in small towns, where population sample size is small enough that you're never going to see more than one person with any single serious genetic defect per generation. There are never enough examples of any one defect for the average punter to really understand what's going on. Even worse, if you do try to educate the masses, it makes that person even more of an outcast. Your choice is either pretend there's nothing wrong, and play it off that all that annoying shiat you do is just an act, or admit that there's something wrong with you and forever be ostracized.

I really do hate Humans. Not as a concept, or as an evolutionary achievement, but as the base animals they really are. Humans are no more socially evolved than monkeys - sometimes even less so. Our intelligence and ability to reason is worthless in the face of our laziness and eagerness to rest on our baser instincts.
 
2010-08-04 11:54:53 AM
My cats breath smells like cat food....
 
2010-08-04 12:20:20 PM
BrokenToilet: I'm going to blame the parenting. The type of parents who feed their children Mickey D's all the time are probably more likely to raise screw ups.

My mom fixed me pretty healthy food really but I spent all my allowance on peanut butter cups and fast food.

But I turned out internet.
 
2010-08-04 12:24:24 PM
Toquinha: dragonchild: TopoGigo: Maybe, just out of my ass here, both ADHD and fast food diets are related to remote controlled televisions? I mean, of hundreds of possible explanations that's the one I just shat out.

The confusion is that ADHD is a bona fide disorder whereas most Americans just lack the skill to focus.

To put this in perspective with an analogy, look at how many goddamn bad drivers there are on the road. There are millions of them. Most of them are capable of driving better; they just don't because they're lazy, inconsiderate and flat-out irresponsible. It's a serious problem; they just don't have an excuse.

The ADHD equivalents are the cars that have genuinely serious problems with the steering system, like a worn-out rack & pinion. These aren't necessarily bad drivers; they could be, but the cars are literally impossible to control. Far more rare, far more serious and requires an entirely different approach.

But you KNOW that as soon as it's announced some cars can't be steered, a large chunk of the masses will blame their bad driving on a rare problem that doesn't apply to them. Then, people get sick of hearing about it, so they start joking about it.

This is why having ADHD sucks.

I would say it's the equivalent of an over-engineered car which has a zillion something extra bells and whistles AND manual transmission. Toss in your GPS, your iPod dock, your automated cup holder and seat warmer, it's all extra crap that's prone to breaking or breaking down, and when it's all on, it causes the car to run out of gas that much faster.

The ADHD brain is kinda like that. With the overwhelming number of thoughts running through the mind like a beehive, it's exhausting.

I heard meditation works, but it bores the crap out of me.


Think of it simpler: Those with ADHD don't produce enough of the right neurotransmitters. So think of it as a car designed to run on the Autobahn, configured primarily to operate on jet fuel and NOX, plus all the gew-gaws on the dash, and a steering wheel-mounted TV that plays an endless series of Spongebob and hypnotic Pokemon cartoons.

You take this car from Europe, put it on an American highway with a speed limit of 55 mph. This ADHD car has problem running on conventional gasoline, the NOX augments the speed, and having to go slower, it's harder for the driver to control. Add to that he's constantly distracted by the tv shows, and due to the fuel/air ratio, the engine stalls every 40-50 miles. Finally, if you don't give the ADHD car a cookie when it asks for one, it refuses to move and simply backfires for 20 minutes.

Medication puts a compatible carburetor on the engine, allowing it to operate on normal fuel and also reduces the sound/video to the steering wheel-mounted TV so it's not as distracting. Steering and suspension is also improved. You also include a fuel additive that simulates a cookie-type condition so that when the car asks for another cookie it may backfire for a couple minutes or not at all.

It's scary how much neurotransmitters affect behavior, not to mention how neurological behavior combines with environment to create difficult situations.
 
2010-08-04 12:41:47 PM
Subby still have Pokemon cards?
janeheller.mlblogs.com
 
2010-08-04 12:42:50 PM
Millennium: Sun God: I have a long-standing theory that the downfall of mankind will be caused by the telephone, television, and the automobile. All of those things destroyed "the village." Those things made it possible for people to communicate beyond their means. The Internet still does that. And thousands of people run around trying to recreate "the village" in so-called third world countries.

The Amish would agree.

No, really; it's a point of theology for them. The point behind their rejection of some modern technology is that they believe it weakens the bonds between people in the community. They're more hardcore about it than your post, of course (they don't keep photographs, for example, though most don't particularly mind having their pictures taken) but it stems from the same principle you described.

And while I think they go way too far, I'm not sure that the core assumption about the importance of bonds in the community is wrong. They've been shown to have some of the lowest rates of "new" diseases like autism and ADHD in the world. What if these things, far from being the genetic/hormonal/developmental disorders that researchers currently investigate, are actually mental illnesses caused by a lack of healthy connections? Has this possibility been ruled out yet (honest question; I don't know)?


So, you and I and Ted Kaczynski kind of have similar beliefs.
 
2010-08-04 12:43:44 PM
Well duh. Every six months, one of these articles comes out, and every six months, I say 'Feingold Diet.'

Worked for me. Still does, to some degree.

And tomatoes and some other fruits and veggies are excluded. Healthy alone won't do it for you.
 
2010-08-04 12:48:40 PM
I thought Chinpokomons were cool now.
 
2010-08-04 01:10:34 PM
It couldn't be the case that kids with ADHD are more reluctant to eat fruits and veggies and prefer fast food.
 
2010-08-04 01:11:23 PM
nm... just realized the last line addressed it.
 
2010-08-04 01:17:57 PM
millia: Well duh. Every six months, one of these articles comes out, and every six months, I say 'Feingold Diet.'

Worked for me. Still does, to some degree.

And tomatoes and some other fruits and veggies are excluded. Healthy alone won't do it for you.


Did you grow up on Feingold as well? My mother gave me the cookbook...my kids love the Wok Mac and Cheese...

Feingold is fine and useful, but it puts a large amount of social pressure on the child...why don't you eat anything you want...why can't you have the cafeteria food...

dragonchild: TopoGigo: Maybe, just out of my ass here, both ADHD and fast food diets are related to remote controlled televisions? I mean, of hundreds of possible explanations that's the one I just shat out.

The confusion is that ADHD is a bona fide disorder whereas most Americans just lack the skill to focus.

To put this in perspective with an analogy, look at how many goddamn bad drivers there are on the road. There are millions of them. Most of them are capable of driving better; they just don't because they're lazy, inconsiderate and flat-out irresponsible. It's a serious problem; they just don't have an excuse.

The ADHD equivalents are the cars that have genuinely serious problems with the steering system, like a worn-out rack & pinion. These aren't necessarily bad drivers; they could be, but the cars are literally impossible to control. Far more rare, far more serious and requires an entirely different approach.

But you KNOW that as soon as it's announced some cars can't be steered, a large chunk of the masses will blame their bad driving on a rare problem that doesn't apply to them. Then, people get sick of hearing about it, so they start joking about it.

This is why having ADHD sucks.


I agree that having ADHD and interfacing with the rest of the word sucks...

I find that ADHD is VERY useful in my job. Not everyone can chenge mental tracks as fast as an ADHD Kid...

Yes, 45 minute classes in school were about 43 minutes too long. And, every report card said "Not working up to potential" next to the 'A' grade...

I have found as an Adult that ADHD is useful

/BTW, ADHD is a lack of dopomine (sp?) in the frontal lobe of the brain, that is why Stimulants like Ritaline/Adoral (sp) work. I prefer my stimulanst in liquid form
 
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