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2010-08-03 02:43:29 PM  
I think you have to be high to understand our drug laws.
 
2010-08-03 02:45:27 PM  
President Barack Obama on Tuesday signed a bill reducing the disparity between federal mandatory sentences for convictions for crack cocaine and the powder form of the drug.

You know what would be cool? If mandatory sentences were eliminated altogether.
 
2010-08-03 02:50:51 PM  

Aarontology: President Barack Obama on Tuesday signed a bill reducing the disparity between federal mandatory sentences for convictions for crack cocaine and the powder form of the drug.

You know what would be cool? If mandatory sentences were eliminated altogether.


we won't do it. our culture really honestly believes that there is absolutely no difference between heroin addiction and someone who tokes up once in a while on the weekends. the law treats both substances exactly the same.
 
2010-08-03 02:55:02 PM  
The original bill reduced the sentencing disparity from 100:1 to 5:1. It was changed to 18:1 by our lovable scamp Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III during committee markup, a change I'm sure was motivation entirely by his desire to protect the children or something and not at all related to rather sordid history of crypto-racist remarks, including a joke he once made in which he said he liked the KKK until he found out some of them smoked pot.
 
2010-08-03 02:55:56 PM  

Aarontology: President Barack Obama on Tuesday signed a bill reducing the disparity between federal mandatory sentences for convictions for crack cocaine and the powder form of the drug.

You know what would be cool? If mandatory sentences were eliminated altogether.


Do you know what would be cooler? If politicians, Obama especially, realized that these drugs are not the problem, that prohibition is the problem. Obama did drugs, gave them up on his own, and went on to become the president. His hypocracy on this is simply mind-blowing. He knows full well the truth, but doesn't act on it.

Just admit that it was a bad idea and legalize it already. Dealing with a crackhead running down the street naked at 3AM is much better than dealing with a crackhead naked at 3AM, a cartel hit at 7 AM, the bribing of a police officer at noon, another cartel hit at 3 PM, an overdose at 5 PM, and a new AIDSs case at 9 PM.
 
2010-08-03 02:58:23 PM  

Weaver95: we won't do it. our culture really honestly believes that there is absolutely no difference between heroin addiction and someone who tokes up once in a while on the weekends. the law treats both substances exactly the same.


Aside from that, I can't believe the Constitutionality of mandatory minimums has never been challenged. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like it would violate due process.

Then again, we should also remember that our culture glorifies alcohol abuse while condemning stoners.
 
2010-08-03 03:15:45 PM  

Crosshair: Do you know what would be cooler? If politicians, Obama especially, realized that these drugs are not the problem, that prohibition is the problem. Obama did drugs, gave them up on his own, and went on to become the president. His hypocracy on this is simply mind-blowing. He knows full well the truth, but doesn't act on it.


Not just Obama, but Bush and Clinton as well. And all the other Presidents who had drinking problems. But I think politics might be a huge factor in that. While he may personally believe in decriminalization or legalization, outright saying so is political suicide thanks to all the moral guardians who bought into the Reefer Madness nonsense. Still, it would be nice for him to take a stand on the issue.

Just admit that it was a bad idea and legalize it already. Dealing with a crackhead running down the street naked at 3AM is much better than dealing with a crackhead naked at 3AM, a cartel hit at 7 AM, the bribing of a police officer at noon, another cartel hit at 3 PM, an overdose at 5 PM, and a new AIDSs case at 9 PM.

I completely agree. It's kind of a cliche at this point, but the biggest problem about drugs is the fact that they're illegal. We accept the social problems that come with alcohol, and they are far greater than anything stoners do. But it's also about power and money. Without all those drug laws and the nifty powers they give police, they won't need all that funding. Who cares if there are more important crimes to worry about, what's important is using that SWAT team gear and the cool cars to knock down the doors of some guy growing a couple of plants or arresting that kid with the joint.
 
2010-08-03 03:18:21 PM  

Aarontology: Without all those drug laws and the nifty powers they give police, they won't need all that funding.


Completely aside from a good excuse to spend taxpayer dollars, there's a for-profit prison industry that likes a steady supply of bad guys.
 
2010-08-03 03:35:53 PM  

Aarontology: Not just Obama, but Bush and Clinton as well.


Exactly, both sides are most certainly to blame in this.
 
2010-08-03 03:45:17 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Completely aside from a good excuse to spend taxpayer dollars, there's a for-profit prison industry that likes a steady supply of bad guys.


That's another thing that needs to go. Once a profit motive enteres into it, justice becomes a business. Even the most ardent free market capitalist could agree that risking inujustice to turn a profit is wrong.

Crosshair: Exactly, both sides are most certainly to blame in this.


Indeed. Which is why despite my leftist leanings, I like Gary Johnson to some degree. I disagree with a lot of his positions, but I respect the fact that he has the stones to call the War on Drugs the failure that it is.
 
2010-08-03 04:00:37 PM  

Aarontology: Even the most ardent free market capitalist could agree that risking inujustice to turn a profit is wrong.


To the most ardent free market capitalist, if it's turning a profit, how could it be unjust? If people have a problem with it, they should stop shopping at my prison.
 
2010-08-03 04:03:55 PM  
But as a longtime thorn for the black community, the matter is important to a key Obama constituency.

What? That sounds Racist, twice in one sentence.
 
2010-08-03 04:15:27 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: To the most ardent free market capitalist, if it's turning a profit, how could it be unjust?


A corrupt justice system may not be able to enforce contract law with impartiality. This would bring instability and uncertainty over contracts being honored.

If people have a problem with it, they should stop shopping at my prison.

I lol'd.
 
2010-08-03 04:16:39 PM  

Aarontology: Even the most ardent free market capitalist could agree that risking inujustice to turn a profit is wrong.


It's our god-given right to take risks in order to profit.
 
2010-08-03 04:21:14 PM  
OMG, Obama is not tough on crime!
 
2010-08-03 04:21:49 PM  
That was sarcasm by the way.
 
2010-08-03 04:25:20 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: It's our god-given right to take risks in order to profit.


Why would you take the risk if there's a significant chance that the judge will issue an injunction to prevent you from implementing your business proposal because his cousin runs a prison and they would like to make the same widget using prison labor?
 
2010-08-03 04:51:22 PM  

Aarontology: Why would you take the risk if there's a significant chance that the judge will issue an injunction to prevent you from implementing your business proposal because his cousin runs a prison and they would like to make the same widget using prison labor?


It'll never happen. It would be easier to bribe the selfsame judge to convince his cousin to sell me the widgets so that I can rebrand it. We'll both profit.
 
2010-08-03 04:57:14 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: It'll never happen. It would be easier to bribe the selfsame judge to convince his cousin to sell me the widgets so that I can rebrand it. We'll both profit.


Perhaps my scenario was a bit unlikely. But when shiat like this happens, you never know.
 
2010-08-03 05:35:47 PM  
This actually makes a lot of sense considering Obama is a gay crack addict (new window).

I mean, they ran the story in the National Enquirer. And the Enquirer broke the Edwards affair scandal. So now we have to consider them a reputable source. Right?
 
2010-08-03 05:52:00 PM  
item.slide.com
 
2010-08-03 05:52:45 PM  
All Right! Obama just sewed up the crack head and drug dealer voting block!
 
2010-08-03 05:55:36 PM  

Aarontology: President Barack Obama on Tuesday signed a bill reducing the disparity between federal mandatory sentences for convictions for crack cocaine and the powder form of the drug.

You know what would be cool? If mandatory sentences were eliminated altogether.


What?! So those bleeding heart liberal judges can just put these poison pushers back on the streets!? What would you say if it was your child preyed upon by these thugs and bruthas?
 
2010-08-03 05:57:26 PM  
The people fighting for tougher laws on crack were the same people who saw what free base cocaine (crack) was doing to their communities: the blacks.

The law was not racist. Freebase cocaine (crack) is not the same as powdered coke.
 
2010-08-03 05:58:32 PM  
It's a start.
 
2010-08-03 05:59:00 PM  
However, the new law is not retroactive.

Translation:
We're reducing the sentences, but everyone before hand gets to enjoy their now unfairly long prison terms anyway, because fark you, that's why. Sucks to be you, maybe you should have waited until this week to get caught.

Hugs and Kisses,
Your Government
 
2010-08-03 06:00:39 PM  
*insert picture of dead actor with sloppy clown makeup and meme subtitle here*
 
2010-08-03 06:00:51 PM  
Holy crap, I'm surprised this thread hasn't turned into a racist free for all yet, what with the easy stereotypes and all..
 
2010-08-03 06:01:04 PM  
So the price is gonna come down?
 
2010-08-03 06:01:05 PM  
You know what would be even cooler? Not having to pay for crack babies and coke heads.
 
2010-08-03 06:01:20 PM  

Stanfan114: The people fighting for tougher laws on crack were the same people who saw what free base cocaine (crack) was doing to their communities: the blacks.


www.insidesocal.com

Citation needed.
 
2010-08-03 06:01:35 PM  

Stanfan114: The law was not racist.


I'm sure a guy that refers to "the blacks" knows this definitively.
 
2010-08-03 06:01:52 PM  

Stanfan114: Freebase cocaine (crack) is not the same as powdered coke.


This is a bizarre statement that indicates a lack of coke knowledge.

/or i got trolled
 
2010-08-03 06:02:19 PM  

cabbyman: You know what would be even cooler? Not having to pay for crack babies and coke heads.


So is that like a subscription deal or is it a lump sum? Because I've been meaning to add to my collection of crack babies.
 
2010-08-03 06:02:22 PM  

Weaver95: Aarontology: President Barack Obama on Tuesday signed a bill reducing the disparity between federal mandatory sentences for convictions for crack cocaine and the powder form of the drug.

You know what would be cool? If mandatory sentences were eliminated altogether.

we won't do it. our culture really honestly believes that there is absolutely no difference between heroin addiction and someone who tokes up once in a while on the weekends. the law treats both substances exactly the same.



They are both illegal...so... simple, easy, even a stupid american like you can understand.

Sentences are too light.
This is a WAR.
Kill the enemy.

Do not EVER release a drug dealer nor a sexual predator into society.

If you do not kill these foul creatures, then you are no better than them.

Obama is *change* in race, otherwise he is worthless.
 
2010-08-03 06:03:16 PM  
You'd think this issue would have went away without the need to fund central American wars covertly.
 
2010-08-03 06:03:19 PM  
So how does this effect us non drug dealers?
 
2010-08-03 06:03:40 PM  
Aarontology Crosshair: Do you know what would be cooler? If politicians, Obama especially, realized that these drugs are not the problem, that prohibition is the problem. Obama did drugs, gave them up on his own, and went on to become the president. His hypocracy on this is simply mind-blowing. He knows full well the truth, but doesn't act on it.

Not just Obama, but Bush and Clinton as well. And all the other Presidents who had drinking problems. But I think politics might be a huge factor in that. While he may personally believe in decriminalization or legalization, outright saying so is political suicide thanks to all the moral guardians who bought into the Reefer Madness nonsense. Still, it would be nice for him to take a stand on the issue.

Just admit that it was a bad idea and legalize it already. Dealing with a crackhead running down the street naked at 3AM is much better than dealing with a crackhead naked at 3AM, a cartel hit at 7 AM, the bribing of a police officer at noon, another cartel hit at 3 PM, an overdose at 5 PM, and a new AIDSs case at 9 PM.

I completely agree. It's kind of a cliche at this point, but the biggest problem about drugs is the fact that they're illegal. We accept the social problems that come with alcohol, and they are far greater than anything stoners do. But it's also about power and money. Without all those drug laws and the nifty powers they give police, they won't need all that funding. Who cares if there are more important crimes to worry about, what's important is using that SWAT team gear and the cool cars to knock down the doors of some guy growing a couple of plants or arresting that kid with the joint.


Clinton supported prohibition on pot. Bush did relatively nothing on the subject of drugs. Obama keeps the feds out of medical marijuana issues (for now) and fixes the crack-cocaine gap. It's evolution. To paraphrase a quote (because I can't remember it or who said it) "new ideas are rarely accepted by the generation that spawns them. It's only when its opponents die out that they may take hold with the new generation who grew up with them."
 
2010-08-03 06:03:44 PM  

DarnoKonrad: Stanfan114: The law was not racist.

I'm sure a guy that refers to "the blacks" knows this definitively.


i was going to type "the african american community" but i already used community in the sentence.

also, lighten up. it is a perfectly cromulent term.
 
2010-08-03 06:03:59 PM  

Dead Mutters: Weaver95: Aarontology: President Barack Obama on Tuesday signed a bill reducing the disparity between federal mandatory sentences for convictions for crack cocaine and the powder form of the drug.

You know what would be cool? If mandatory sentences were eliminated altogether.

we won't do it. our culture really honestly believes that there is absolutely no difference between heroin addiction and someone who tokes up once in a while on the weekends. the law treats both substances exactly the same.


They are both illegal...so... simple, easy, even a stupid american like you can understand.

Sentences are too light.
This is a WAR.
Kill the enemy.

Do not EVER release a drug dealer nor a sexual predator into society.

If you do not kill these foul creatures, then you are no better than them.

Obama is *change* in race, otherwise he is worthless.


Your profile is a work of art.
 
2010-08-03 06:04:16 PM  

Dead Mutters: Weaver95: Aarontology: President Barack Obama on Tuesday signed a bill reducing the disparity between federal mandatory sentences for convictions for crack cocaine and the powder form of the drug.

You know what would be cool? If mandatory sentences were eliminated altogether.

we won't do it. our culture really honestly believes that there is absolutely no difference between heroin addiction and someone who tokes up once in a while on the weekends. the law treats both substances exactly the same.


They are both illegal...so... simple, easy, even a stupid american like you can understand.

Sentences are too light.
This is a WAR.
Kill the enemy.

Do not EVER release a drug dealer nor a sexual predator into society.

If you do not kill these foul creatures, then you are no better than them.

Obama is *change* in race, otherwise he is worthless.


Too obvious, needs more subtlety.
2/10
 
2010-08-03 06:04:23 PM  
Legalize and let Darwin run his course. Idiots who chose junkie drugs will suffer the consequences imposed by the drug. We don't need the government with this natural process of selection and we sure as hell don't need to be fueling drug cartels with a lucerative black market in the process.
 
2010-08-03 06:04:29 PM  

illicit: However, the new law is not retroactive.

Translation:
We're reducing the sentences, but everyone before hand gets to enjoy their now unfairly long prison terms anyway, because fark you, that's why. Sucks to be you, maybe you should have waited until this week to get caught.

Hugs and Kisses,
Your Government


I don't know if you realize this or not, but if sentencing laws (or virtually any laws for that matter) were changed retroactively, it would make it really easy for politicians to selectviely enforce them.
 
2010-08-03 06:05:01 PM  

TurboCojones: item.slide.com



This picture cracks me up every time I see it.
 
2010-08-03 06:05:30 PM  
...We don't need the government interfering with...

//hate it when I do that.
//Mt Dew is a hell of a drug...
 
2010-08-03 06:07:33 PM  

NorCalLos: illicit: However, the new law is not retroactive.

Translation:
We're reducing the sentences, but everyone before hand gets to enjoy their now unfairly long prison terms anyway, because fark you, that's why. Sucks to be you, maybe you should have waited until this week to get caught.

Hugs and Kisses,
Your Government

I don't know if you realize this or not, but if sentencing laws (or virtually any laws for that matter) were changed retroactively, it would make it really easy for politicians to selectviely enforce them.


How exactly would a politician enforce a law, selectively or otherwise?
 
2010-08-03 06:07:57 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Aarontology: Without all those drug laws and the nifty powers they give police, they won't need all that funding.

Completely aside from a good excuse to spend taxpayer dollars, there's a for-profit prison industry that likes a steady supply of bad guys.


Sadly This. Profits provided by our tax dollars.
 
2010-08-03 06:08:25 PM  
pix.motivatedphotos.com
 
2010-08-03 06:09:29 PM  
MBooda

Wow. He must work out.
 
2010-08-03 06:11:21 PM  
I'm gonna go celebrate with some crack!
 
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