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(Pop Matters)   Maybe classic rock's most bothersome aspect is that it traffics in arguably one of the most fertile creative periods in rock history, but leaves the impression that most bands never wrote more than three or four songs   (popmatters.com) divider line 163
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2010-08-04 05:27:41 PM  
CraicBaby: notmtwain: Exactly what classic rock is or isn't can be hard to define.

Apparently, Nirvana, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Pearl Jam are now considered classic rock, at least, according to my local classic rock station.


"classic" is often defined as 20 years, like with cars. So yes, those bands are now into their 'classic' period.
 
2010-08-04 05:43:34 PM  
LL Bean J: Two Journey albums that actually kick ass. Pre-Steve Perry.


They were sort of like Santana's proggy little brother. Gregg Rolie had such a great voice. I saw them live in that era (as a 4-piece w/no rhythm guitarist), which only made me hate Steve Perry and that version of the band that much more in later years. It was a horrible disappointment to hear what they turned into.
 
2010-08-04 05:48:18 PM  
A friend of mine and I always talk about wanting to start a free-form radio station in our area. Since his and my musical taste completely kick ass, I feel it could only turn out to be a smashing success. Here is my question to all of those experienced in radio broadcasting here. What would be the thing that would be a business model killer? What does it take from a knowledge base to get started? What is the minimum capital needed to start? Etc...

This may sound niave but our main motivation behind the idea is that we farking love music. Love. It. Modern day radio, when forced to listen to it, kills my will to live. Especially Classic Rock radio. I love Classic Rock but it just seems to me that what radio stations are doing goes completely against what the original point of that music. So much of the music put out by artists considered to be in the Classic Rock genre put out albums with a concept that is only complete with listening to the entire album. Why only play two or three songs from the massive and genius bodies of work by the likes of Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones (especially the run of LPs w/ Mick Taylor)...I could go on. But the glaring omission in my opinion is this; where the fark are the tunes from the major influences like say...the Velvet Underground?? How about The Stooges or the MC5? There is so much good music in our past that even folks that grew up in that time never heard before. Am I just dreaming? Is there really not a market for this format? I personally can't believe that, so if anyone has any advice on how to get started, let me know. FYI, my background is primarily IT related. I'm a data network engineer (Cisco routers/switches is my strength)
 
2010-08-04 06:04:52 PM  
Check with the FCC. I'm pretty sure they approved "micro power" stations a few years ago.
 
2010-08-04 06:10:05 PM  
Cortez the Killer: A friend of mine and I always talk about wanting to start a free-form radio station in our area. Since his and my musical taste completely kick ass, I feel it could only turn out to be a smashing success. Here is my question to all of those experienced in radio broadcasting here. What would be the thing that would be a business model killer? What does it take from a knowledge base to get started? What is the minimum capital needed to start? Etc...

This may sound niave but our main motivation behind the idea is that we farking love music. Love. It. Modern day radio, when forced to listen to it, kills my will to live. Especially Classic Rock radio. I love Classic Rock but it just seems to me that what radio stations are doing goes completely against what the original point of that music. So much of the music put out by artists considered to be in the Classic Rock genre put out albums with a concept that is only complete with listening to the entire album. Why only play two or three songs from the massive and genius bodies of work by the likes of Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones (especially the run of LPs w/ Mick Taylor)...I could go on. But the glaring omission in my opinion is this; where the fark are the tunes from the major influences like say...the Velvet Underground?? How about The Stooges or the MC5? There is so much good music in our past that even folks that grew up in that time never heard before. Am I just dreaming? Is there really not a market for this format? I personally can't believe that, so if anyone has any advice on how to get started, let me know. FYI, my background is primarily IT related. I'm a data network engineer (Cisco routers/switches is my strength)


DO you speak Spanish? Know a lot of Spanish music???

The only radio that does well anymore is Spanish stations.

Seriously, radio is in the dump right now. Hell, a lot of major cities dot even have standard rock stations anymore, let alone anything experimental.
 
2010-08-04 06:28:07 PM  
drewogatory: and the first Boston album,despite death by overplay, was a game changer in DIY home recording,that album was recorded in a farking basement with homemade gear.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?!!?!?! THAT'S f***ING AWESOME!


/didn't know that
 
2010-08-04 08:06:36 PM  
Cortez the Killer: But the glaring omission in my opinion is this; where the fark are the tunes from the major influences like say...the Velvet Underground?? How about The Stooges or the MC5? There is so much good music in our past that even folks that grew up in that time never heard before. Am I just dreaming? Is there really not a market for this format? I personally can't believe that, so if anyone has any advice on how to get started, let me know. FYI, my background is primarily IT related. I'm a data network engineer (Cisco routers/switches is my strength)

The reason why you don't hear the VU, Stooges, MC5, and their ilk on classic rock stations is that in they weren't that popular in terms of sales and radio airplay when their records originally came out. For years, you generally only heard those groups played on college radio stations. AOR stations (the forerunner of classic rock stations) would either ignore them or only play them at 3 a.m. on Monday morning.

As for trying to start a free-form radio station now, your best option would be an internet-only one.
 
2010-08-04 08:16:52 PM  
just a quick thought: community radio.

there seems to be one in nearly every major city (here in seattle, we have KSER in everett, KBCS in bellevue and of course, the mighty KEXP), and volunteering and contributing not only make you feel better about a valuable medium, but you yourself can change the direction of how you want programming to be. also, you'll meet a bunch of other music lovers like yourself, and you can trade ideas and suggestions, and teach and learn and grow. it's beautiful, man.

non locally-owned radio is awful, just like non-locally owned restaurants are generally awful. why support a texas based mega-media conglomerate selling you radio, billboards and concert events when you could be supporting your local pals?
 
2010-08-04 08:27:19 PM  
Cortez the Killer: A friend of mine and I always talk about wanting to start a free-form radio station in our area. Since his and my musical taste completely kick ass, I feel it could only turn out to be a smashing success. Here is my question to all of those experienced in radio broadcasting here. What would be the thing that would be a business model killer? What does it take from a knowledge base to get started? What is the minimum capital needed to start? Etc...

Make it LOCAL. Local music, local news, local businesses. Shake the hands, kiss the babies, show up at Little League games, school board meetings, plays, restaurants, you name it.

The music alone isn't going to carry it - but when you do play the music, give people the title and artist. Not everybody is as cool as you, but they would like to be and it doesn't help them to be indier-than-thou as if all the cool kids already know the song so you don't need to mention it to the unwashed sheeple.

There's always somebody out there who's hearing Led Zeppelin for the first time, y'know?

I leave the other multimedia stuff to people who are better at it, but this much I know - you'll want to have lots of unique material on the station website that's not on the air.
 
2010-08-04 10:18:02 PM  
Gulper Eel: Cortez the Killer: A friend of mine and I always talk about wanting to start a free-form radio station in our area. Since his and my musical taste completely kick ass, I feel it could only turn out to be a smashing success. Here is my question to all of those experienced in radio broadcasting here. What would be the thing that would be a business model killer? What does it take from a knowledge base to get started? What is the minimum capital needed to start? Etc...

Make it LOCAL. Local music, local news, local businesses. Shake the hands, kiss the babies, show up at Little League games, school board meetings, plays, restaurants, you name it.

The music alone isn't going to carry it - but when you do play the music, give people the title and artist. Not everybody is as cool as you, but they would like to be and it doesn't help them to be indier-than-thou as if all the cool kids already know the song so you don't need to mention it to the unwashed sheeple.

There's always somebody out there who's hearing Led Zeppelin for the first time, y'know?

I leave the other multimedia stuff to people who are better at it, but this much I know - you'll want to have lots of unique material on the station website that's not on the air.


Thanks all so far for your responses and opinions. This post struck the closest to home as to what I would envision, so I'll respond to it.

Yes, I absolutely want it to be local..and keep it local. I want to bring a value to the community so I see that local information pertainent to the listeners as a co-priority. That not only provides a community service, but is smart business (for this vision anyway). I don't want to strike it rich off of it, although a comfortable living isn't out of the question, i'm hoping.

As for the music, your point also resonates with what I'm thinking. The want to be a eye-opener, so to speak. I want to bring not only the music, but a little bit of the story behind it; put it into some context. I think that a big reason that people don't understand certain music is that they don't understand the state of mind the artist was in when they wrote it. Not that I want to ramble on, just throw some tidbits out there that are interesting and relevent to the music being played. At a minimum, let them know the artist, song name, and album for every song played.

I do remember the first time I've heard Zeppelin (kind of young; we had a 45 of Misty Mnt Hop bought at a garage sale). I also remember the first time LZ blew me away. I want people to feel the same way I did. I'm also smart enough to know that playing some track off of "Pet Sounds" will never do anything for me personally, but to some listener out there, it might be like "Holy shiat!! I've never heard music like that!!" I guess I want to get away from the science of "least common denominator" polls and use more of a critical concensus as my guide.

I've got other ideas I would like to express on this to get opinions, but I just worked 15 hours at my crappy job and my beer buzz is getting good. I'll check back later, but thanks again so far.
 
2010-08-05 04:53:31 AM  
I have news for you: If you live in an area like mine and have only 1 rock and 1 classic rock station, you will immediately notice that both have the same problem. While the rock station isn't playing some of the best music made, it is playing the same songs over and over. Hence the reason I listen to my cds 99% of the time.

It's certainly not a musical wasteland out there, but the fact is programming managers have no idea what it is they are doing.

Classic rock: "Let's play the same two Lynard Skynard songs at least 6 times in the next 12 hours! BRILLIANT!"

Rock: "Let's play Jane's Addiction's "Been Caught Stealing" every hour! BRILLIANT!"

And all that 'Two For Tuesday,' 'Mandatory Metallica' crap needs to DIIIIIEEEEEE
 
2010-08-05 02:50:52 PM  
Third_Uncle_Eno: drewogatory: and the first Boston album,despite death by overplay, was a game changer in DIY home recording,that album was recorded in a farking basement with homemade gear.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?!!?!?! THAT'S f***ING AWESOME!


Home made as in commercial gear extensively customized and optimized by an MIT PhDEE (one T.Scholz - the lead guitarist and most anal retentive man in rock and roll).

/ 3M announced they were going to stop making his favorite recording tape, so he bought every foot of it he could lay his hands on.
 
2010-08-06 11:41:01 AM  
listening to only classic rock for a month is ridiculously easy. Hell, I did that with the Beatles and Led Zeppelin, each, without even using their entire respective catalogs.
 
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