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2010-08-01 11:59:50 PM
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2010-08-02 12:35:18 AM
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2010-08-02 01:07:02 AM
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2010-08-02 01:08:59 AM
AntiNorm: Link requires registration.

It doesn't, but for those who cannot access it:

NEW DELHI - This city is famous for its snarled traffic and infamous for its unruly drivers - aggressive rule-breakers who barrel through red lights, ignore crosswalks and veer into bicycle or bus lanes to find open routes.
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A photo posted to Facebook showed a man riding a motorcycle without a helmet.
Now, the city's overburdened traffic police officers have enlisted an unexpected weapon in the fight against dangerous driving: Facebook.

The traffic police started a Facebook page two months ago, and almost immediately residents became digital informants, posting photos of their fellow drivers violating traffic laws. As of Sunday more than 17,000 people had become fans of the page and posted almost 3,000 photographs and dozens of videos.

The online rap sheet was impressive. There are photos of people on motorcycles without helmets, cars stopped in crosswalks, drivers on cellphones, drivers in the middle of illegal turns and improperly parked vehicles.

Using the pictures, the Delhi Traffic Police have issued 665 tickets, using the license plate numbers shown in the photos to track vehicle owners, said the city's joint commissioner of traffic, Satyendra Garg.

Despite some concerns about privacy, and the authenticity of the photos, the public's response has been overwhelmingly positive, he said.

Mr. Garg said the Facebook page never told people to take pictures of lawless drivers. "We wanted a forum where people could express their views and suggest changes," he said Friday.

With just 5,000 traffic officers in this city of 12 million people, the social networking site is filling a useful role, he said. "Traffic police can't be present everywhere, but rules are always being broken," Mr. Garg said. "If people want to report it, we welcome it. A violation is a violation."

Mr. Garg acknowledged that it was possible photos could be manipulated to incriminate someone who was not actually breaking the law. But, he said, drivers can contest the tickets if they think they were wrongly issued. The police advise residents not to let personal animosity influence their photo-taking, and not to do anything to compromise their own security, like antagonizing law-breakers while snapping photos.

Some city residents have applauded the effort. "This is a good use of police resources," said Vijyant Jain, a 27-year-old manager with Orange Business Services, who drives a minivan. He posted an alert on the Facebook page on Friday about a traffic obstruction.

"Up until now, any driver about to break traffic laws, including me, used to look around," Mr. Jain said, to see if there was an officer nearby before doing so. Now, drivers will be much more vigilant, he said, because "it is not only traffic cops they need to worry about."

Critics say these methods could set a dangerous precedent. Relying on people to turn in their neighbors online is "Orwellian," said Gaurav Mishra, chief executive of 2020 Social, a social business consultancy based here.

"When you start using the Internet as way for the government to keep tabs on its citizens, I start getting really worried, because you don't know where it will end," he said. The popularity of the page shows that the ability to publicly humiliate wrongdoers "taps into a very basic primal part of who we are as human beings," Mr. Mishra said, and it is not a pleasant one.

While the Facebook page reaches thousands of people, the vast majority of residents here are not connected to it. Just one in four people in urban India has Internet access, and Internet users tend to be the wealthiest. Facebook said in July that users from India passed the 12 million mark.

The authorities have embraced the Facebook informants in part because the dangers of driving in India are ever-present. India has more traffic fatalities than any country in the world, and the number of new, untrained drivers has skyrocketed in recent years as the Indian middle class grows. The system of roads and the police are ill-equipped to handle the crush.

Nowhere is the problem more pronounced than in this traffic-choked city, which must contend with an additional four million more people in the metro area on top of its own population. From the beginning of the year until July 15, the police stopped 247,973 drivers who ran through city traffic signals. At the beginning of 2010, there were 6.5 million motor vehicles registered in the city, and road experts here estimate that it is adding about 1,000 motor vehicles each day.

The Delhi Traffic Police now have a dedicated team of four officers who monitor the Facebook page around the clock, Mr. Garg said. In addition to examining potential violations, they also post information about closed roads and traffic jams, respond to tips about traffic snarls and answer questions.

Almost 50 of the tickets issued based on photos on the site were given to police officers who were breaking traffic rules, Mr. Garg added.

Social networking services are playing a growing role in court cases and law enforcement, but the Delhi Traffic Police's use of Facebook appears to be unique.

Dozens of police departments in the United States have Facebook pages, which are often used to keep the public informed of changes in laws, warn them of dangers and solicit participants in fund-raisers.

Some departments use Facebook to connect with residents and show the human side of the force. The Houston Police Department, for example, has more than 16,600 followers, in part because of posts about the ducks that join its cadets for roll call in the mornings, and photos of recent burglary arrests taken through night-vision goggles.

On rare occasions, American police departments ask Facebook users to become involved in law enforcement. The police in Baker, La., for instance, posted a photo on Facebook of a truck involved in a theft, asking for tips. It was unclear whether the post had led to any arrest, but one user did comment that the truck looked like one owned by a friend's brother.

In New Delhi, Mr. Garg acknowledges that there are complications to issuing tickets based on Facebook posts. People might use the site to settle scores, for example. But, he said, the response has been positive so far, and he does not want to discourage anyone from posting photos.

He also had some practical advice for Delhi's would-be citizen traffic officers. "We advise while you are driving not to take a photo" of a fellow driver who is breaking traffic laws, Mr. Garg said. Using a cellphone camera while driving "in itself is a violation."

 
2010-08-02 01:09:53 AM
Reported
 
2010-08-02 01:13:51 AM
Best demonstration of the need for a "Dislike" button yet.
 
2010-08-02 01:14:26 AM
Stop Snitchin, everybody.
 
2010-08-02 01:15:09 AM
Today there was this meme running around Facebook about how the Welch's woman is actually a lesbian, but honestly, I don't see what that has to do with driving tickets.

Most people who are pulled over are heterosexual females who can't drive worth a damn. Indian (dot) women are the absolute worst. They don't really even need to use a tool to ticket them, just assume they are all guilty, because they are.

Some Indian woman cut me off today then proceeded to slow down to 35mph so she could exit the freeway which was still 4 miles down the way. I'm not racist or anything, but Indian women should not be allowed to drive. If they have to, they should be ticketed every time they take the car out. I'm not sure how Facebook can help with this.
 
2010-08-02 01:15:49 AM
He also had some practical advice for Delhi's would-be citizen traffic officers. "We advise while you are driving not to take a photo" of a fellow driver who is breaking traffic laws, Mr. Garg said.

Using a cellphone camera while driving "in itself is a violation."




So every snitch gets a ticket too?
 
2010-08-02 01:23:17 AM
So all you need is a camera and a copy of Photoshop to ruin anyone's day. I like it.
 
2010-08-02 01:23:28 AM
Photoshop time.
 
2010-08-02 01:23:39 AM
But you can contest it if you think it's an altered photo.

I wonder how this changes the IAEA's plan for Irans nuclear programme inspections on FB.
 
2010-08-02 01:29:13 AM
Way to go India! thats just deserts for anyone using f-book, and it also increases the grass roots hate for f-book, which is a -very- good thing.

Wake up folks..
f-book is a govt sponsored info gathering and tracking tool, not many suspect yet, cause they think the govt is un-hip and un-aware.
Everything on f-book goes straight to govt servers around the world. The info stops by there before it gets to you.
 
2010-08-02 01:41:12 AM
this thread delivers already.
 
2010-08-02 01:51:44 AM
This is good, I live in The big O!, I once saw some 'driver' parking in an illegal manner.

The OPD told me to call 9111, I didn't think it was an emergency.

My Police Department has a facebook & twitter page. I'll have to resort to twitter as me & facebook couldn't come to terms anymore.
 
2010-08-02 02:14:36 AM
adeist69: So every snitch gets a ticket too?

You can be a passenger and take pics.

I find that when I'm carrying around my camera with a zoom lens and I point it out the window, people drive less like idiots.

/even though it's usually not even on.
 
2010-08-02 02:16:17 AM
"It was shooped! I swear!"
 
2010-08-02 02:19:24 AM
[Send below decks] or [Keehaul]
 
2010-08-02 02:21:00 AM
Like requires registration.
 
2010-08-02 02:49:47 AM
crouchingturbo: So all you need is a camera and a copy of Photoshop to ruin anyone's day. I like it.

Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking ;)
 
2010-08-02 02:49:55 AM
JSTACAT: Way to go India! thats just deserts for anyone using f-book, and it also increases the grass roots hate for f-book, which is a -very- good thing.

Wake up folks..
f-book is a govt sponsored info gathering and tracking tool, not many suspect yet, cause they think the govt is un-hip and un-aware.
Everything on f-book goes straight to govt servers around the world. The info stops by there before it gets to you.


i427.photobucket.com">
 
2010-08-02 02:51:20 AM
I'm baffled by the fact that most people haven't declared it evil by now. I cringe everytime i see the facebook 'F'.
 
2010-08-02 02:53:56 AM
JSTACAT: Wake up folks..
f-book is a govt sponsored info gathering and tracking tool, not many suspect yet, cause they think the govt is un-hip and un-aware.
Everything on f-book goes straight to govt servers around the world. The info stops by there before it gets to you.


Is your name Dale Gribble?
 
2010-08-02 03:03:56 AM
*sigh*
 
2010-08-02 03:05:11 AM
AntiNorm: JSTACAT: Wake up folks..
f-book is a govt sponsored info gathering and tracking tool, not many suspect yet, cause they think the govt is un-hip and un-aware.
Everything on f-book goes straight to govt servers around the world. The info stops by there before it gets to you.

Is your name Dale Gribble?


no his name is Rusty Shackleford
 
2010-08-02 03:19:23 AM
Good!.....!!

/I drive 60 in the 65mile lane.

//sorry but your all asshats!
 
2010-08-02 03:25:02 AM
EnderX: /I drive 60 in the 65mile lane.

People like you are what cause accidents. If you ever go in the fast lane at that speed, I hope your car is mysteriously blown off the road.
 
2010-08-02 03:29:48 AM
IAmRight: EnderX: /I drive 60 in the 65mile lane.

People like you are what cause accidents. If you ever go in the fast lane at that speed, I hope your car is mysteriously blown off the road.


People like that give me daydreams of plasma cannons and such ;)
 
2010-08-02 03:31:43 AM
If you lived in the home of the slurpie, you too would be driving like a bat out of hell just to get one.
 
2010-08-02 03:34:14 AM
EnderX: Good!.....!!

/I drive 60 in the 65mile lane.

//sorry but your all asshats!


Is this a troll?
 
2010-08-02 04:15:06 AM
I always thought this would be a good idea to mitigate the "driving while on the phone" crowd:

If you can produce two pictures (or a film clip), clearly taken by a passenger in your car, of a person talking on the phone while driving, and their license plate, and it leads to a conviction, you get a $50 reward! (taken from the person who got fined).

The article suggests that it's "Orwellian" for people to do this, but in truth, it's their fellow citizens who are tired of the shiat they see and previously had no other way to do anything about it.

If you make a point in your life of disregarding your obligations to society, then you should be paranoid of that brick that came flying out of the crowd...
 
2010-08-02 04:19:41 AM
EnderX: Good!.....!!

/I drive 60 in the 65mile lane.

//sorry but your all asshats!



I know it's a troll, but you're breaking the law. Cruising in the passing lane is illegal.

That and you're creating an incredibly dangerous situation around yourself by failing to maintain the flow of traffic, but I'm sure everyone else will tell you that.
 
2010-08-02 04:36:34 AM
adeist69: He also had some practical advice for Delhi's would-be citizen traffic officers. "We advise while you are driving not to take a photo" of a fellow driver who is breaking traffic laws, Mr. Garg said.

Using a cellphone camera while driving "in itself is a violation."



So every snitch gets a ticket too?


They could take pics of each other, and submit them for tickets.
 
jbb
2010-08-02 04:37:01 AM
I don't what the law is in India but in the UK the obvious defence isn't that the photograph has been altered but to dispute the date of the photograph.

Most minor traffic offences have a fairly short window in which they can be prosecuted (which only seems fair as it would be impossible to prepare a defence against an accusation of an illegal turn you supposedly made 6 months ago)

In most cases they would have a very difficult time proving beyond reasonable doubt that a photograph on facebook was actually taken on a specific date.

/not suggesting that people shouldn't drive better, or that they not be prosecuted for dangerous driving - just that this doesn't seem to be the right way to me, and I find it hard to belive they could secure a conviction against someone determined to fight the "evidence"
 
2010-08-02 05:07:54 AM
"The Monitor is your friend."
 
2010-08-02 05:41:48 AM
jbb: and I find it hard to believe they could secure a conviction against someone determined to fight the "evidence"

Anyone else have Fight The Power by Public Enemy going through their head as they read that?
 
2010-08-02 06:59:43 AM
SpinStopper: IAmRight: EnderX: /I drive 60 in the 65mile lane.

People like you are what cause accidents. If you ever go in the fast lane at that speed, I hope your car is mysteriously blown off the road.

People like that give me daydreams of plasma cannons and such ;)


As a proud member of the AADA, I just use my front mounted HDFOJ.

//obscure?
 
2010-08-02 07:08:34 AM
zahadum party planner: SpinStopper: IAmRight: EnderX: /I drive 60 in the 65mile lane.

People like you are what cause accidents. If you ever go in the fast lane at that speed, I hope your car is mysteriously blown off the road.

People like that give me daydreams of plasma cannons and such ;)

As a proud member of the AADA, I just use my front mounted HDFOJ.

//obscure?


Obscure like a grilled cheese sandwich.
 
2010-08-02 07:17:18 AM
Just for fun, I created a FB page for these types of drivers:
Today's Idiot Driver

It's not exactly taking the world by storm as I thought it might, but one never knows.
 
2010-08-02 07:20:15 AM
We love you, friend Computer!
 
2010-08-02 07:20:48 AM
"uhh... sir, I was just... uhh... Look! We can ticket this guy!"
 
2010-08-02 07:21:56 AM
Visit the page, people are now uploading meaningless photos to dilute the page.
 
2010-08-02 07:28:41 AM
It's not traffic law enforcement, it's NARC!

/What could possibly go wrong?
 
2010-08-02 07:40:04 AM
Glad in the states you have the right to face your accuser.
 
2010-08-02 07:58:01 AM
divx88: Glad in the states you have the right to face your accuser.

Not in Buffalo NY.

They go to those outlet malls and note down a bunch of Ontario "Cross-border-shoppers" license tag numbers, then relay them to a nearby cop, claiming they were snitched on by a motorist on a cellphone for violating some bullshiat traffic law like "squealing your tires". Cop busts you. You will get stopped if you try to go back over the border.

Of course, these don't stand up in court, but you still need to pay a $300 "appear later" fee to the Buffalo piggies, and who wants to take off a day to drive back at a later date to fight it?

Corrupt Buffalo piggies have a nice racket going there. Yet, those cheapskate cross-border shoppers SILL go back "to get those bargains". They keep taking their business there.

Stupid is as stupid does.
 
2010-08-02 08:07:38 AM
Hell, in America I'd be shocked if people didn't start *competing* to get on there, how many times do you see one of those automated speed checkers and not speed up to see how high you can get it to go? And who doesn't love to see themselves on a web page, that's almost being famous!

Talking on the phone while driving is just not going to go away. The police generally can't be bothered with it (although I bet it makes a nice ancillary income if they can tack that onto other charges), and even if they do pull over and ticket for it, the percentage is not high enough to have a meaningful impact, so people keep doing it. Basically the same situation as speeding; almost everyone does it and accepts it as a normal risk in your driving. None of the solutions I've ever read about would have any chance of actually being implemented (Faraday cage built into the car frame and only activates when the engine is running was a nice one IMO)

It is fairly disturbing just how many people you see do it though if you make a point to look for it; try counting how many people are on the phone as you drive to work.
 
2010-08-02 08:15:51 AM
I keep clicking like but all I get is this lousy text highlight. Wtf
 
2010-08-02 08:21:23 AM
BadAnalogyGuy: Today there was this meme running around Facebook about how the Welch's woman is actually a lesbian, but honestly, I don't see what that has to do with driving tickets.

Most people who are pulled over are heterosexual females who can't drive worth a damn. Indian (dot) women are the absolute worst. They don't really even need to use a tool to ticket them, just assume they are all guilty, because they are.

Some Indian woman cut me off today then proceeded to slow down to 35mph so she could exit the freeway which was still 4 miles down the way. I'm not racist or anything, but Indian women should not be allowed to drive. If they have to, they should be ticketed every time they take the car out. I'm not sure how Facebook can help with this.


HAHA. You almost got me, (douche)B.A.G.!

/person who thought the stop sign was optional and the other person who didn't bother looking left to see if anyone was there before moving over (missed me by a few inches) were both men (and I only drove for 3 effing miles).
//plural of anecdote = data dontchaknow.
 
2010-08-02 08:37:52 AM
The urge to snitch is very human; so is the urge to kill when catching someone at it.

Only a matter of time until there's a murder over this.

Then you'll have another FB page.....not to mention a Fark thread.
 
2010-08-02 08:48:19 AM
Toht: EnderX: Good!.....!!

/I drive 60 in the 65mile lane.

//sorry but your all asshats!


I know it's a troll, but you're breaking the law. Cruising in the passing lane is illegal.


So you're saying the only legal use of passing lane is breaking the speeding laws?
 
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