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(The Ledger)   Canadian Air Force repels Russian bombers at border, complete with photos of a parade, Kevin Costner with a dog, and a wildfire. Article degenerates into a general discussion of Canadian news items, back bacon   (theledger.com) divider line 84
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2010-08-01 10:40:09 AM  
Canada has an airforce? [/ignorant American]
 
2010-08-01 10:41:29 AM  
I love how we spin this as proof we need to replace our F-18s. As if we just ram our planes into "enemy" bombers, it's the missiles that eventually do the job. How much would it cost to pay the Russians to "accidentally" fly some Tu-95s over Canada?
 
2010-08-01 10:43:31 AM  
Stupid Moose and Sqvirrel.
 
2010-08-01 10:45:38 AM  
I believe Jim Fox might need to adjust his Adult ADHD meds.
 
2010-08-01 10:49:51 AM  
That was great reporting!!! Im not sure what happened but it covered everything from Russians to Insane Pig Farmers all wraped up neatly with a commentary on the economy.

Bravo Sir Well Done.
 
2010-08-01 10:51:50 AM  
The Russies were coming to set fire to Kevin Costner and his dog while they attended Caribana, DUH.
 
2010-08-01 10:56:16 AM  
Once Canadian authorities told the Cuban government that negative publicity about the incident would be a detriment to tourism, it was learned LeCompte would be released on Tuesday, provided he returns if a trial is deemed necessary.

That's right, man, don't fark with Canadian authorities.
 
2010-08-01 10:58:59 AM  
Meecrob: Once Canadian authorities told the Cuban government that negative publicity about the incident would be a detriment to tourism, it was learned LeCompte would be released on Tuesday, provided he returns if a trial is deemed necessary.

That's right, man, don't fark with Canadian authorities. They'll threaten you with negative publicity.


FTFY
 
2010-08-01 11:00:16 AM  
They should mount a Canadarm on an Avro Arrow and use it to pluck Russian bombers out of Canadian airspace.
 
2010-08-01 11:09:05 AM  
It is actually quite absurd that this headline sums up the article perfectly...
 
2010-08-01 11:16:29 AM  
Costners looking a little old.
 
2010-08-01 11:16:41 AM  
FTA--KEVIN COSTNER is licked by his dog, Daisy, at a news conference Friday in support of The Orange Dog, an Edmonton-based dog rescue operation.

But it's ok, because it's HIS dog!
 
2010-08-01 11:20:07 AM  
Quantum Apostrophe: I love how we spin this as proof we need to replace our F-18s. As if we just ram our planes into "enemy" bombers, it's the missiles that eventually do the job. How much would it cost to pay the Russians to "accidentally" fly some Tu-95s over Canada?

Exactly. This isn't the first nor the last time Russia probes our response by flying a couple of bombers near our airspace. They've been doing it for years. To use this as an argument for new jets is stupid. The defense ministry got called out for grasping at straws on this one, well deserved with the wiki scandal hitting the news this week.

There is a pic with McKay in the cockpit of a JSF, with his hand on the stick.....must be practicing for those Russian bombers, made me laugh!
 
2010-08-01 11:37:41 AM  
Maybe we should just train flocks Canada geese to intercept bombers and fly into their air intakes. It only took 3 of them to bring down an A320 into the Hudson river.

Nice pictures of the Caribana parade - I was there yesterday.
 
2010-08-01 11:44:03 AM  
Lego_Addict: Quantum Apostrophe: I love how we spin this as proof we need to replace our F-18s. As if we just ram our planes into "enemy" bombers, it's the missiles that eventually do the job. How much would it cost to pay the Russians to "accidentally" fly some Tu-95s over Canada?

Exactly. This isn't the first nor the last time Russia probes our response by flying a couple of bombers near our airspace. They've been doing it for years. To use this as an argument for new jets is stupid. The defense ministry got called out for grasping at straws on this one, well deserved with the wiki scandal hitting the news this week.

There is a pic with McKay in the cockpit of a JSF, with his hand on the stick.....must be practicing for those Russian bombers, made me laugh!


They would never intentionally fly into Canadian airspace with reconnaissance aircraft anyway. It's not like they were actual armed bombers.
 
2010-08-01 11:44:52 AM  
In before "Canada has an airforce?" ...

moops: Canada has an airforce? [/ignorant American]

goddamnitsomuch
 
2010-08-01 11:47:04 AM  
Mr.Hawk: It is actually quite absurd that this headline sums up the article perfectly...

...oh yeah, stay out of our booze.
 
2010-08-01 11:49:05 AM  
The TU-95 is a propeller-driven aircraft . . . are those still current in the Russian military?

I know we use the C-130 (and others), but it seems that a country would use turbines for any sort of attack craft (like a bomber) . . . .
 
2010-08-01 11:54:13 AM  
LeglessDog: The TU-95 is a propeller-driven aircraft . . . are those still current in the Russian military?

I know we use the C-130 (and others), but it seems that a country would use turbines for any sort of attack craft (like a bomber) . . . .


What's wrong with turboprops?
 
2010-08-01 11:57:49 AM  
Is Lakeland Fl a prime destination for Canadian tourists? I can't think of any other reason why their readers would care about these issues.

and:

htka.hu
what a CF-18 intercepting a Tu-95 may look like.
 
2010-08-01 12:01:42 PM  
Quantum Apostrophe: I love how we spin this as proof we need to replace our F-18s. As if we just ram our planes into "enemy" bombers, it's the missiles that eventually do the job.

I live by 4wing Cold Lake and know a lot of CF-18 pilots, most of the planes here have been in service since 1982. There were avionics upgrades done in 2002, but after 28 years flying the airframes are getting pretty stressed and things are starting to go wrong.

Imagine if you had a car you bought in '82 and drove the hell out of for years. Even though you had a fantastic mechanic and a huge parts bin, there would come a time where it just wasn't worth it to keep fixing.

We need new jets.

That said, I don't think the F-35 Lightning is the answer. It doesn't have range needed and it's single engined.

How much would it cost to pay the Russians to "accidentally" fly some Tu-95s over Canada?

It hasn't been reported, but a few times since 2007 when Russian bombers started testing our responses again (they stopped the practice in 1990) Russian bombers have made it well into Nunavut and the NWT's before being escorted out.
It's not a secret, but DND's never held a press conference about those particular incursions either.
 
2010-08-01 12:04:11 PM  
The Russians can still get Bears off the ground? I remember the National Post running a picture of a Russian jet bomber and saying it was similar to a turbo prop bear. Small wonder the Post has no credibility. This latest "interception" is just more nonsense from Prime Minister Harpo and his band of Calgary Hillbillies.
 
2010-08-01 12:07:41 PM  
Awesome... but not AS awesome as when Palin single-handedly defended us against the Ruskies

www.patricksaviation.com
 
2010-08-01 12:09:20 PM  
moops: Canada has an airforce? [/ignorant American]

www.stenulson.net

/And you thought the Avro Arrow was badass...
 
2010-08-01 12:18:56 PM  
MrGuy: Is Lakeland Fl a prime destination for Canadian tourists? I can't think of any other reason why their readers would care about these issues.

and:

[CF-18 + Bear pic]

what a CF-18 intercepting a Tu-95 may look like.


If that is the pic I think it is, the CF-18 pilot is Riel Erickson (new window) and this flight made her the first female fighter pilot to intercept a Russian bomber.
 
2010-08-01 12:24:55 PM  
Quantum Apostrophe: I love how we spin this as proof we need to replace our F-18s. As if we just ram our planes into "enemy" bombers, it's the missiles that eventually do the job. How much would it cost to pay the Russians to "accidentally" fly some Tu-95s over Canada?

The fact is the Russians have been constantly testing our sovereignty over our north. From Subs to Bombers. I forget how the international law works, but iirc if we do not enforce our claims to said land and waters, we eventually lose the rights to enforce our sovereignty. The Northwest Passage combined with the continuing warming trend of the planet could lead to huge benefits to Canada. It is worth the investment.
 
2010-08-01 12:37:34 PM  

img148.imageshack.us

Good stuff
 
2010-08-01 12:46:41 PM  
Anyone get the fact that the teen in the Cuban car accident has been kept at a resort for over three months? Mom, help me...just, uh, take your time, eh?
 
2010-08-01 12:48:14 PM  
LeglessDog: The TU-95 is a propeller-driven aircraft . . . are those still current in the Russian military?

I know we use the C-130 (and others), but it seems that a country would use turbines for any sort of attack craft (like a bomber) . . . .


I think they're still in production. The Bear is a very good aircraft. Don't sell them short just because they've got propellers.
 
2010-08-01 12:51:47 PM  
I prefer the Royal Canadian Air Farce, myself.

/Miss you, CBC Friday night
 
2010-08-01 12:59:01 PM  
What a Canadian Air Force CF-18 may look like...
www.youngeagles.org
 
2010-08-01 01:04:32 PM  
LeglessDog: The TU-95 is a propeller-driven aircraft . . . are those still current in the Russian military?

I know we use the C-130 (and others), but it seems that a country would use turbines for any sort of attack craft (like a bomber) . . . .


USA still have the B-52 in active service without plans of retiring it. Why don't you go to Wikipedia and compare the TU-95 and B-52? You'll find they're basicly identical in performance, that one uses turboprops, and the other jet engines is irrelevant.

The TU-95 btw. doesn't need to enter Canadas airspace to attack it, nuclear cruisemissiles works fine.

/the TU-95 is way cooler, check it out on Youtube, turboprop engines are very impressive.
 
2010-08-01 01:09:47 PM  
I love Canada, my quiet neighbor to the East, so much.
 
2010-08-01 01:12:15 PM  
Canada... FARK YEAH!
 
2010-08-01 01:20:39 PM  
moops: Canada has an airforce? [/ignorant American]

redundant.
 
2010-08-01 01:21:54 PM  
Well ignorant self-centered subby, Backbacon IS important to some people.

/mmmm... backbacon... (RTFA) DOH!!! no backbacon?? stupid subby getting our hopes up.
//Can't help but think letting those Russian bombers bomb pigs would achieve the desired effect.
 
2010-08-01 01:25:35 PM  
Cowin Myundies: Meecrob: Once Canadian authorities told the Cuban government that negative publicity about the incident would be a detriment to tourism, it was learned LeCompte would be released on Tuesday, provided he returns if a trial is deemed necessary.

That's right, man, don't fark with Canadian authorities. They'll threaten you with negative publicity.

FTFY


Canada has really stepped up their game. Usually this kind of goings-on would net you reprisals in the form of a strongly worded letter.

/Things were better when we had a Real Man as PM, like Joe Clark.
 
2010-08-01 01:25:56 PM  
Could you please leave our airspace, eh? Or, you can stay, just don't leave a mess.
 
2010-08-01 01:37:50 PM  
Quantum Apostrophe
I love how we spin this as proof we need to replace our F-18s. As if we just ram our planes into "enemy" bombers, it's the missiles that eventually do the job. How much would it cost to pay the Russians to "accidentally" fly some Tu-95s over Canada?

We do need to replace our CF-18s. They're 30 years old. We've been holding back on military spending so long our stuff is old and crappy.

Just like the Sea King helicopters which are nearly 50 years old and need 30 hours of maintenance per hour of flying. 50 year old technology that spends more time being repaired than being used for its job.

Now before someone blows a gasket I am not advocating we up our military spending to US levels or anything. But come on, it's time to spend a little to give the people risking their lives for us some new equipment.
 
2010-08-01 01:45:19 PM  
Scorched Colon: Quantum Apostrophe
I love how we spin this as proof we need to replace our F-18s. As if we just ram our planes into "enemy" bombers, it's the missiles that eventually do the job. How much would it cost to pay the Russians to "accidentally" fly some Tu-95s over Canada?

We do need to replace our CF-18s. They're 30 years old. We've been holding back on military spending so long our stuff is old and crappy.

Just like the Sea King helicopters which are nearly 50 years old and need 30 hours of maintenance per hour of flying. 50 year old technology that spends more time being repaired than being used for its job.

Now before someone blows a gasket I am not advocating we up our military spending to US levels or anything. But come on, it's time to spend a little to give the people risking their lives for us some new equipment.


There's absolutely nothing wrong with replacing old expensive garbage with new expensive crap that's slightly less junky.
 
2010-08-01 01:54:37 PM  
Scorched Colon: Quantum Apostrophe
I love how we spin this as proof we need to replace our F-18s. As if we just ram our planes into "enemy" bombers, it's the missiles that eventually do the job. How much would it cost to pay the Russians to "accidentally" fly some Tu-95s over Canada?

We do need to replace our CF-18s. They're 30 years old. We've been holding back on military spending so long our stuff is old and crappy.

Just like the Sea King helicopters which are nearly 50 years old and need 30 hours of maintenance per hour of flying. 50 year old technology that spends more time being repaired than being used for its job.

Now before someone blows a gasket I am not advocating we up our military spending to US levels or anything. But come on, it's time to spend a little to give the people risking their lives for us some new equipment.



Canada spends slightly more money on their military than Spain but ends up with a Navy that doesn't have a carrier or amphibious vessels and inferior frigates. Canada's land forces are much smaller and more lightly equipped (3 Brigade Groups vs 3 Heavy Brigades, 1 Light Armor, 2 Light Infantry and 1 Para Brigade). Canada's Air Force is likewise inferior in terms of quantity (80 operational fighters versus 151) and quality (CF-18's versus Eurofighter Typhoons).
 
2010-08-01 02:06:21 PM  
Devin172:

Canada spends slightly more money on their military than Spain but ends up with a Navy that doesn't have a carrier or amphibious vessels and inferior frigates. Canada's land forces are much smaller and more lightly equipped (3 Brigade Groups vs 3 Heavy Brigades, 1 Light Armor, 2 Light Infantry and 1 Para Brigade). Canada's Air Force is likewise inferior in terms of quantity (80 operational fighters versus 151) and quality (CF-18's versus Eurofighter Typhoons).


Why is that? I am genuinely bemused.
 
2010-08-01 02:11:05 PM  
Well according to the article, we are getting 65 CF-35 JSFs which is pretty badass. It's be nice it the yanks would share the source code for them with us though.
 
2010-08-01 02:31:14 PM  
Scorched Colon: We do need to replace our CF-18s.

I don't think we need new fighter jets. I don't know if anyone noticed, but those same poor, inadequate CF-18s just repelled the latest Russian hoarde, which means they still work just fine, as long as they're not passing through any air shows. When a CF-18 is unable to win a dogfight against a Taliban fighter jet then we should take money from things like healthcare and infrastructure to buy newer, faster, way more expensive planes to cruise alongside those same Russian Bombers next year.

/is the cold war back on?
//i didn't get that memo
 
2010-08-01 02:34:45 PM  
And this is why we need to keep nukes.
 
2010-08-01 02:49:41 PM  
The last name I had was pretty gay...
I don't think we need new fighter jets. I don't know if anyone noticed, but those same poor, inadequate CF-18s just repelled the latest Russian hoarde, which means they still work just fine, as long as they're not passing through any air shows. When a CF-18 is unable to win a dogfight against a Taliban fighter jet then we should take money from things like healthcare and infrastructure to buy newer, faster, way more expensive planes to cruise alongside those same Russian Bombers next year.

/is the cold war back on?
//i didn't get that memo


It's called defending our sovereignty. If we don't do it, no one will do it for us. And as the Earth continues to warm up the Arctic is going to become the latest international hot-bed as various countries exert their sovereignty over those resources and shipping routes. Should Canada take a back seat to that because our military doesn't have the resources it needs?

How about not touching healthcare and infrastructure and instead for one year we stop the flow of foreign aid leaving this country? We could use those billions of dollars to purchase what we need. The rest of the world can get by without our help for one year.
 
2010-08-01 02:54:00 PM  
didn't know Panasonic Toughbooks could do that

a.imageshack.us
 
2010-08-01 03:06:15 PM  
You betcha!
 
2010-08-01 03:26:01 PM  
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2010-08-01 03:45:27 PM  
Next time they violate their airspace, shoot them down. If the Ruskies have a problem with it, just ask them why they sent their warplanes into Canadian airspace. And tell them it will happen everytime they do it in the future. Tell them to consider today's incident a warning.

If they still dont like it, tell them that we are going to fly some of our bombers over Moscow and see if they have a problem with that.

Problem solved.
 
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