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2010-07-31 01:51:35 PM  
Um... Answer C?

:-/
 
2010-07-31 01:56:29 PM  
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Um... Answer C?

:-/


Q&A, not A, B or C.

And people who want to buy 2D televisions will win, just like people who wanted to buy DVDs won in the HDDVD/Blu-ray war.
 
2010-07-31 02:51:53 PM  
tototototo: And people who want to buy 2D televisions will win, just like people who wanted to buy DVDs won in the HDDVD/Blu-ray war.

Well... as sure as I am sitting here typing this, the DVD will be a relic within 25 years, so I guess we have no choice.
 
2010-07-31 02:54:01 PM  
FishyFred: tototototo: And people who want to buy 2D televisions will win, just like people who wanted to buy DVDs won in the HDDVD/Blu-ray war.

Well... as sure as I am sitting here typing this, the DVD will be a relic within 25 years, so I guess we have no choice.


yes, but HDDVD and Bluray will both lose to streaming. The studios can fight it but that is the direction things are going. Most people will give up on 5.1/7.1 sound and 1080p for the ability to instantly watch their video while not having to deal with physical media and the added price.
 
2010-07-31 03:17:03 PM  
FishyFred: tototototo: And people who want to buy 2D televisions will win, just like people who wanted to buy DVDs won in the HDDVD/Blu-ray war.

Well... as sure as I am sitting here typing this, the DVD will be a relic within 25 years, so I guess we have no choice.


within 25 years could be as far as 25 years away. By then Blu-ray will probably be a relic too.
 
2010-07-31 03:34:13 PM  
Yes, I know physical media will be a relic in 25 years. I was trying to point out that, just as you can hardly find a VHS tape deck anymore, you will hardly be able to find a non-3D television at some point in the future.
 
2010-07-31 03:45:01 PM  
zedster: yes, but HDDVD and Bluray will both lose to streaming. The studios can fight it but that is the direction things are going. Most people will give up on 5.1/7.1 sound and 1080p for the ability to instantly watch their video while not having to deal with physical media and the added price.

I already had a blu-ray player (ps3) so i went ahead and splurged a few extra bucks a month on my netflix acct to get access to the things in my package.

I now find myself checking to make sure that the flicks i'm being sent are available in the format (and often changing selections if not) since it basically kicks ass

total cost difference to me, is like 40 bucks a year (for a whole lot of movies)
 
2010-07-31 04:02:23 PM  
FishyFred: Yes, I know physical media will be a relic in 25 years. I was trying to point out that, just as you can hardly find a VHS tape deck anymore, you will hardly be able to find a non-3D television at some point in the future.

There is a significant portion of the population that simply cannot view 3D, myself included. While this isn't a "big" percent number or even, likely, a full percent, companies will not sacrifice being able to cater to us by completely dispensing with 2D screens.

So, basically, 3D won't be a pervasive content until it can be done without using binocular vision to fool depth perception, and until it can be done without glasses.

And, even then, it's still not cheap to film for. I Seriously doubt it will ever become a pervasive TV content delivery method.
 
2010-07-31 04:05:11 PM  
FishyFred: just as you can hardly find a VHS tape deck anymore

Amazon has lots.
 
2010-07-31 04:11:24 PM  
red5ish: FishyFred: just as you can hardly find a VHS tape deck anymore

Amazon has lots.


Got 3 in my basement. 4 at work.
 
2010-07-31 04:14:24 PM  
i saw one of these at a the mall a few weeks ago and all i could think of is a string of complaints from wives whose husbands keep trying to make out with victoria secret models

also i already wear glasses why would i want to wear a second pair to watch tv?
 
2010-07-31 04:18:16 PM  
Rev.Veggie.Spam: red5ish: FishyFred: just as you can hardly find a VHS tape deck anymore

Amazon has lots.

Got 3 in my basement. 4 at work.


That's great. I've got cassette tapes that I refuse to get rid of for sentimental reasons (*my first independent music release available in stores!) but I haven't had a cassette deck for over 5 years.

Anecdotal/long-tail stories are great, but unlike vinyl (which has djs, purists and a certain romantic cachet) there aren't too many vcr purists and the local "SUPA CHEAP VHS discount" store just shuttered.

/too bad, I bought a Haibanei Renmei dvd there; it was supa cheap!
 
2010-07-31 04:20:20 PM  
zedster: yes, but HDDVD and Bluray will both lose to streaming.

At least until your bandwith is capped. Of course, that's probably news to you since you're still talking about a format that was written off over two years ago.

But, yeah, totally. The entire telecom industry is going to turn around, lift their increasingly restrictive data policies, and offer cheap wide-open pipes to everyone in the country long before something as silly as physical media you can just pick up at the Redbox machine by the gas station will ever catch on. I'm sure of it!
 
2010-07-31 04:20:35 PM  
Did anyone else find it strange to watch a video featuring a Japanese woman that didn't involve a schoolgirl outfit, nudity, or tentacles?
 
2010-07-31 04:21:02 PM  
Leishu: There is a significant portion of the population that simply cannot view 3D, myself included.

fascinating!


/No, not in a "you are a freak" way, but in a "I didn't know that" way.
//Totally considering going to the movie/imax theatre (a thing I haven't done in ~ a decade) to see a teen dancing movie in 3d this summer.
 
2010-07-31 04:21:05 PM  
I'm not wearing a glasses on top of another glasses to watch a tv. Avatar was beautiful to watch in the theater but god damn those glasses. I can't even enjoy Spider-Man ride at Universal Theme Park, tell me when they found a proper solution for four eyes like me..
 
2010-07-31 04:22:36 PM  
Lamune_Baba: zedster: yes, but HDDVD and Bluray will both lose to streaming.

At least until your bandwith is capped. Of course, that's probably news to you since you're still talking about a format that was written off over two years ago.

But, yeah, totally. The entire telecom industry is going to turn around, lift their increasingly restrictive data policies, and offer cheap wide-open pipes to everyone in the country long before something as silly as physical media you can just pick up at the Redbox machine by the gas station will ever catch on. I'm sure of it!


Hey, to those following along, I'm pretty sure Lamune_Baba is being what we call facetious. I can tell from a few of the statements and from seeing a lot of sarcasm in my time.


/ProTip
 
2010-07-31 04:23:39 PM  
zedster: FishyFred: tototototo: And people who want to buy 2D televisions will win, just like people who wanted to buy DVDs won in the HDDVD/Blu-ray war.

Well... as sure as I am sitting here typing this, the DVD will be a relic within 25 years, so I guess we have no choice.

yes, but HDDVD and Bluray will both lose to streaming..


Some people like physical media and live in remote western Kansas.
 
2010-07-31 04:24:03 PM  
Masso: I'm not wearing a glasses on top of another glasses to watch a tv. Avatar was beautiful to watch in the theater but god damn those glasses. I can't even enjoy Spider-Man ride at Universal Theme Park, tell me when they found a proper solution for four eyes like me..

Is this a set-up where I say "B-b-b-b-b-but contact lenses/corrective surgery!" and then I play right into your trap and you trounce me with valid reasons for not being a candidate for either?


/because if so, I'm game. EIP.
 
2010-07-31 04:29:28 PM  
HD was actually worth the money. This is nothing but a gimmick to convince retards who need the latest and greatest stuff buy a new TV.
 
2010-07-31 04:30:35 PM  
mud_shark: Did anyone else find it strange to watch a video featuring a Japanese woman that didn't involve a schoolgirl outfit, nudity, or tentacles?


Thank you! Something seemed a little off... now I got to look at that handy google search tips headline to remedy this.
 
2010-07-31 04:33:14 PM  
zedster: FishyFred: tototototo: And people who want to buy 2D televisions will win, just like people who wanted to buy DVDs won in the HDDVD/Blu-ray war.

Well... as sure as I am sitting here typing this, the DVD will be a relic within 25 years, so I guess we have no choice.

yes, but HDDVD and Bluray will both lose to streaming. The studios can fight it but that is the direction things are going. Most people will give up on 5.1/7.1 sound and 1080p for the ability to instantly watch their video while not having to deal with physical media and the added price.


Disney pretty much has every option covered with their deluxe Blu-Ray releases. For a bit more than the regular Blu-Ray version, they typically give you the option of buying a version with with the Blu-Ray, DVD, and digital copy versions, plus a code to stream the movie from their website.

Also, a big portion of the US has broadband that really isn't up to the task of HD video streaming. Not everyone has a 35 Mbps FIOS connection like I do. Also, with a 42" plus sized HD set, it is VERY easy to see compression artifacts on streamed videos. On any big action movie with a lot of fast motion on the screen, you need the higher bitrate Blu-Ray provides. With prices dropping quickly on the movies and players, I think most people will want to keep a Blu-Ray collection of their favorite movies for the best experience.
 
2010-07-31 04:35:12 PM  
Cue in either that scene from "Paycheck" or "Wild Palms".
 
2010-07-31 04:36:03 PM  
3D will never catch on if they don't come up with a way to do it without glasses or other shenanigans. That technology simply does not exist, so we might as well be arguing about when flying cars will catch on, or something. "Man, in ten years you won't see anyone without a replacement robobrain!"
 
2010-07-31 04:36:58 PM  
i heard nothing about TVs all i could see was the hot asian reporter....man i wish i had 3d to look at her some more.
 
2010-07-31 04:39:34 PM  
mud_shark: Did anyone else find it strange to watch a video featuring a Japanese woman that didn't involve a schoolgirl outfit, nudity, or tentacles?

Ya, it was harder to fap to.

/but not impossible
 
jvl
2010-07-31 05:02:23 PM  
Leishu: There is a significant portion of the population that simply cannot view 3D, myself included. While this isn't a "big" percent number or even, likely, a full percent, companies will not sacrifice being able to cater to us by completely dispensing with 2D screens.

Most 3D televisions can be switched into 2D mode while tuned to a 3D signal. So in many ways, 3D is win-win. Or win-tie. Whatever.
 
2010-07-31 05:10:36 PM  
OnmyojiOmn: 3D will never catch on if they don't come up with a way to do it without glasses or other shenanigans.

Isn't Nintendo's 3DS glasses-free?
 
2010-07-31 05:20:13 PM  
FishyFred: OnmyojiOmn: 3D will never catch on if they don't come up with a way to do it without glasses or other shenanigans.

Isn't Nintendo's 3DS glasses-free?


It's not really 3D.
 
2010-07-31 05:20:32 PM  
FishyFred: OnmyojiOmn: 3D will never catch on if they don't come up with a way to do it without glasses or other shenanigans.

Isn't Nintendo's 3DS glasses-free?


I know I'm buying one. First day.
 
2010-07-31 05:30:51 PM  
mekkab: Masso: I'm not wearing a glasses on top of another glasses to watch a tv. Avatar was beautiful to watch in the theater but god damn those glasses. I can't even enjoy Spider-Man ride at Universal Theme Park, tell me when they found a proper solution for four eyes like me..

Is this a set-up where I say "B-b-b-b-b-but contact lenses/corrective surgery!" and then I play right into your trap and you trounce me with valid reasons for not being a candidate for either?


/because if so, I'm game. EIP.


Trump card: Monocular vision. One eye usable at a time. I can switch back and forth, no "natural" depth perception whatsoever. Happens to a lot of people who are cross-eyed or w/ astigmatism, unfortunately.
jvl: Leishu: There is a significant portion of the population that simply cannot view 3D, myself included. While this isn't a "big" percent number or even, likely, a full percent, companies will not sacrifice being able to cater to us by completely dispensing with 2D screens.

Most 3D televisions can be switched into 2D mode while tuned to a 3D signal. So in many ways, 3D is win-win. Or win-tie. Whatever.


Fair enough, but why would it be a win situation for me when I undoubtedly pay more for a TV that does the exact same thing, for me?
 
2010-07-31 05:33:57 PM  
OnmyojiOmn: It's not really 3D.

What is it?
 
2010-07-31 05:37:32 PM  
I saw my first 3D TV in real life today. It was farking blurry. They had the TV on the floor and no glasses, illustrating how useless the damned technology is.
 
2010-07-31 05:38:58 PM  
FishyFred: OnmyojiOmn: It's not really 3D.

What is it?


Fake depth perception with two-sided LEDs or something. So now in addition to shaking your DS, holding it in in sunlight, blowing on it, yelling at it, etc. you'll have more shovelware puzzle games that make you constantly swivel the thing around.
 
2010-07-31 05:43:32 PM  
OnmyojiOmn: FishyFred: OnmyojiOmn: It's not really 3D.

What is it?

Fake depth perception with two-sided LEDs or something. So now in addition to shaking your DS, holding it in in sunlight, blowing on it, yelling at it, etc. you'll have more shovelware puzzle games that make you constantly swivel the thing around.


The hell... 3D Image is fake depth perception. That's its very definition.
 
Jha
2010-07-31 05:57:36 PM  
From the Fark headline I thought it was referring to the Kindle. You know, those digital e-reader devices that barely have more functionality than a calculator and aren't worth more than $40?
 
2010-07-31 05:57:56 PM  
Masso: OnmyojiOmn: FishyFred: OnmyojiOmn: It's not really 3D.

What is it?

Fake depth perception with two-sided LEDs or something. So now in addition to shaking your DS, holding it in in sunlight, blowing on it, yelling at it, etc. you'll have more shovelware puzzle games that make you constantly swivel the thing around.

The hell... 3D Image is fake depth perception. That's its very definition.


I was wrong about two-sided LEDs, that's something else. The 3DS is hard to describe. It has motion control built in, so you tilt it and that causes a 3D scene within the usual 2D LED image to rotate. It's an interesting effect, but it's not really any different from rotating an object with an analog stick or a mouse. I'm not saying it's not a good feature, but it isn't "3D without glasses" and it's not applicable to the idea of a 3D TV unless you feel like picking up and rotating your TV while you watch it.

A 3D TV/theatre "without glasses" does not exist in any form.
 
2010-07-31 05:58:22 PM  
Who would want Glenn Beck's face jumping off the screen?
Seriously, that would make me lose sleep.
 
2010-07-31 06:00:03 PM  
I don't want to see 3-D in the theater, let alone at home. WTF would I shell out a shiat ton of cash for one of these?
 
2010-07-31 06:06:11 PM  
OnmyojiOmn: Masso: OnmyojiOmn: FishyFred: OnmyojiOmn: It's not really 3D.

What is it?

Fake depth perception with two-sided LEDs or something. So now in addition to shaking your DS, holding it in in sunlight, blowing on it, yelling at it, etc. you'll have more shovelware puzzle games that make you constantly swivel the thing around.

The hell... 3D Image is fake depth perception. That's its very definition.

I was wrong about two-sided LEDs, that's something else. The 3DS is hard to describe. It has motion control built in, so you tilt it and that causes a 3D scene within the usual 2D LED image to rotate. It's an interesting effect, but it's not really any different from rotating an object with an analog stick or a mouse. I'm not saying it's not a good feature, but it isn't "3D without glasses" and it's not applicable to the idea of a 3D TV unless you feel like picking up and rotating your TV while you watch it.

A 3D TV/theatre "without glasses" does not exist in any form.


... I think you're misinformed big time.
Link
 
2010-07-31 06:15:51 PM  
Masso: OnmyojiOmn: Masso: OnmyojiOmn: FishyFred: OnmyojiOmn: It's not really 3D.

What is it?

Fake depth perception with two-sided LEDs or something. So now in addition to shaking your DS, holding it in in sunlight, blowing on it, yelling at it, etc. you'll have more shovelware puzzle games that make you constantly swivel the thing around.

The hell... 3D Image is fake depth perception. That's its very definition.

I was wrong about two-sided LEDs, that's something else. The 3DS is hard to describe. It has motion control built in, so you tilt it and that causes a 3D scene within the usual 2D LED image to rotate. It's an interesting effect, but it's not really any different from rotating an object with an analog stick or a mouse. I'm not saying it's not a good feature, but it isn't "3D without glasses" and it's not applicable to the idea of a 3D TV unless you feel like picking up and rotating your TV while you watch it.

A 3D TV/theatre "without glasses" does not exist in any form.

... I think you're misinformed big time.
Link


What am I looking for? I see 3D geometry with some camera panning. You can't even see the 3D effect in that video.
 
2010-07-31 06:22:11 PM  
You see double images. The screen is sending one image to the left eye and one image to the right eye. Unlike large tv, It's possible to create 3D this way on the handheld because of the small screen size.
 
2010-07-31 06:48:11 PM  
OK... hold on...

explain to me: what is so great about these TVs an old cathod tube TV can't do?
The TV isn't "3D". It's the media that has the encoding and data for the infrared signals that has the "3D". They don't change the screens or the projectors at cinemas when they have 3D movies. The information is in the bluray and then they set up an infrared transmitter on top of the screen that is interpreted by the glasses (try covering the small window between your lenses, you'll see as if you didn't have the glasses).

So, they are just selling the glasses? Those 2kg, bulky, nose bending glasses?

Fark me sideways.
 
2010-07-31 06:49:30 PM  
We could all pitch in and buy just one 3D TV, a REALLY big one. Then we could charge those that didn't contribute to pay to come over and watch a movie. But then we are going to need a really big room with lots of seats which we'll have to put at an angle so everyone can see. We are all going to want to have snacks, so maybe we can get some folks to stay out front of the room and make food and stuff. But then we'll have to pay them. While we are paying them for cooking, we might as well pay them to clean the big room and the crapper. This is going to be a big endeavor so we'll need someone to run the place.

I like this idea. I wonder if anyone has ever had a similar thought?
 
2010-07-31 06:51:44 PM  
The 3DS uses autostereoscopy. It uses a screen with a lenticular-type coating, so that you see one image if you view it slightly from the left, and a different image if you view it slightly from the right. If you hold it straight in front of you, your two eyes see the two different images, creating the illusion of 3D. So it's wrong to say that the motion control in the 3DS is used to generate the 3D effect, or that you need to tilt the unit or move your head to see the effect. In fact, if you want to make a real criticism of the 3DS, it's that two of its features (motion sensing and 3D) probably won't be able to be used at the same time -- since if you're moving the 3DS around significantly, you'll probably be unable to keep your head in the right place, so you'll screw up the 3D effect.
 
2010-07-31 06:54:48 PM  
tototototo: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Um... Answer C?

:-/

Q&A, not A, B or C.



Still no cure for Canswer
 
2010-07-31 06:55:04 PM  
$2500 is too much for me to consider being an early adopter.
 
2010-07-31 07:09:10 PM  
OnmyojiOmn: Masso: OnmyojiOmn: Masso: OnmyojiOmn: FishyFred: OnmyojiOmn: It's not really 3D.

What is it?

Fake depth perception with two-sided LEDs or something. So now in addition to shaking your DS, holding it in in sunlight, blowing on it, yelling at it, etc. you'll have more shovelware puzzle games that make you constantly swivel the thing around.

The hell... 3D Image is fake depth perception. That's its very definition.

I was wrong about two-sided LEDs, that's something else. The 3DS is hard to describe. It has motion control built in, so you tilt it and that causes a 3D scene within the usual 2D LED image to rotate. It's an interesting effect, but it's not really any different from rotating an object with an analog stick or a mouse. I'm not saying it's not a good feature, but it isn't "3D without glasses" and it's not applicable to the idea of a 3D TV unless you feel like picking up and rotating your TV while you watch it.

A 3D TV/theatre "without glasses" does not exist in any form.

... I think you're misinformed big time.
Link

What am I looking for? I see 3D geometry with some camera panning. You can't even see the 3D effect in that video.


Wow, that's stupid. I wonder why you can't see the 3D effect. In the article's video I couldn't see the 3D effect of those TVs either!

Could you seriously not see how the image viewed off to the side was definitely split up into two images or did you purchase a 3D TV and now have to justify the everliving hell out of your purchase?
 
2010-07-31 07:11:21 PM  
Masso: I'm not wearing a glasses on top of another glasses to watch a tv. Avatar was beautiful to watch in the theater but god damn those glasses. I can't even enjoy Spider-Man ride at Universal Theme Park, tell me when they found a proper solution for four eyes like me..

I'm an optical tech. I've been making clip-on 3D glasses for those of us who already wear glasses and hate wearing a second, bigger pair on our nose at the same time.

I can't really market them (and I'm surprised the 3D tech companies don't) because I'm taking 3D glasses from the theater and altering them to the purpose. So it's not my tech, nor really my materials. I suppose I could charge people for the service, though.

Unfortunately, the glasses for the 3D-HDTVs require being wired into the system, and I can't figure out any way to streamline those ugly, stupid things.
 
2010-07-31 07:17:19 PM  
The main difference is that I can remember people being excited about HD when it was a new technology. The economy was doing well, people had money to burn, and everyone wanted one because the screen was a lot crisper looking.

I have literally never met even a single person who is the least bit interested in 3DTV. These morons are trying to force the technology down our throats, and they are going to be biatchslapped when we refuse to buy it. And by it I mean both the 3D televisions and the continued notion that we have to define our self-worth on how up-to-date our gadgets are during a farking recession.
 
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