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2010-07-30 01:18:16 PM  
FTFA: "Two-thirds of whites say that immigrants should give up some important aspects of their culture to blend in; only about four in ten Hispanics, and an equal number of blacks, agree with that view," adds Holland.

I don't understand why you have to give up part of your culture to blend in. Are these 2 things mutually exclusive? You don't have to give up speaking your native language in order to learn English. I only bring up the language thing because that seems to be the biggest thorn in the side of those who are anti-immigrant.
 
2010-07-30 01:20:50 PM  
America assimilates cultures. We don't really have a culture beyond that.
 
2010-07-30 01:41:47 PM  
Di Atribe: I don't understand why you have to give up part of your culture to blend in. Are these 2 things mutually exclusive? You don't have to give up speaking your native language in order to learn English. I only bring up the language thing because that seems to be the biggest thorn in the side of those who are anti-immigrant.

I love seeing someone get all upset because other people are speaking Spanish within her earshot, even though they're not speaking to or about her. I can only assume that she's upset because either A. she's paranoid that they're talking about her; or B. she's a nosy biatch who wants to eavesdrop on strangers' conversations.
 
2010-07-30 01:48:52 PM  
aimtastic: I love seeing someone get all upset because other people are speaking Spanish within her earshot, even though they're not speaking to or about her. I can only assume that she's upset because either A. she's paranoid that they're talking about her; or B. she's a nosy biatch who wants to eavesdrop on strangers' conversations.

FTR, I don't become annoyed by people speaking other languages just out and about. But if you expect to do business & participate in government programs, at least know enough to have a conversation. I'm not asking for fluency. Just give it a shot.
 
2010-07-30 01:51:49 PM  
aimtastic: Di Atribe: I don't understand why you have to give up part of your culture to blend in. Are these 2 things mutually exclusive? You don't have to give up speaking your native language in order to learn English. I only bring up the language thing because that seems to be the biggest thorn in the side of those who are anti-immigrant.

I love seeing someone get all upset because other people are speaking Spanish within her earshot, even though they're not speaking to or about her. I can only assume that she's upset because either A. she's paranoid that they're talking about her; or B. she's a nosy biatch who wants to eavesdrop on strangers' conversations.


I used to work with some Spanish speakers, and they would talk about work related topics, in Spanish, in my (shared) office. That's where I drew the line. There is a reason the department is sharing an office: it makes it easier for the members of the department to communicate, and offer their point of view on work related issues. Speaking a non-universal (as far as the workplace goes) language negates these advantages.

/immigrant
//bilingual (just not Spanish)
 
2010-07-30 02:03:54 PM  
Barbigazi: America assimilates cultures. We don't really have a culture beyond that.

America is the Borg of culture.
 
2010-07-30 02:14:36 PM  
Too bad they didn't ask about illegal immigrants.
 
2010-07-30 02:14:43 PM  
Di Atribe: FTR, I don't become annoyed by people speaking other languages just out and about. But if you expect to do business & participate in government programs, at least know enough to have a conversation. I'm not asking for fluency. Just give it a shot.

Oh, I agree - if you expect to get by in mainly English speaking country, you're gonna have to learn English. But when I worked at a restaurant, I would see dining room staff get pissed that kitchen staff was speaking Spanish amongst themselves in the break room. And in thrift stores, I've seen a woman get mad about a Mexican family speaking Spanish amongst themselves. The only logical reasons I can think of that it would upset someone paint the person getting upset in a pretty poor light.
 
2010-07-30 02:16:37 PM  
Di Atribe: I don't understand why you have to give up part of your culture to blend in. Are these 2 things mutually exclusive?

Hardly. Remember how the Irish American immigrants cast aside their culture when they came here? Nowadays, you can hardly find nary a scrap of Irish culture in America.
 
2010-07-30 02:16:38 PM  
If you needed more proof that the majority of Americans are farking idiots, there it is.
 
2010-07-30 02:16:47 PM  
I came for some 1800s racist anti Irish stuff and am leaving disappointed.
 
2010-07-30 02:17:01 PM  
At least they only take shiatty jobs
 
2010-07-30 02:18:11 PM  
Di Atribe: I don't understand why you have to give up part of your culture to blend in. Are these 2 things mutually exclusive? You don't have to give up speaking your native language in order to learn English.

When your "culture" is extremely primitive, and you want to move somewhere that is actually civilized, why shouldn't you assimilate?

European immigrants actually had something to offer our society and were willing to assimilate to the American way of life, not make the areas they live in resemble the third world shiat hole they may have came from.
 
2010-07-30 02:19:18 PM  
Majority of Americans: non-thinking "me me me" a-holes.
 
2010-07-30 02:20:13 PM  
"All right. We'll take the n**gers and the ch*nks, but we DON'T WANT THE IRISH!"
 
2010-07-30 02:20:15 PM  
EyeballKid: Di Atribe: I don't understand why you have to give up part of your culture to blend in. Are these 2 things mutually exclusive?

Hardly. Remember how the Irish American immigrants cast aside their culture when they came here? Nowadays, you can hardly find nary a scrap of Irish culture in America.


Except on St. Patrick's Day.

/Par-tay, Par-tay on the Fifth of May. . .
//In a Sombrero!
 
2010-07-30 02:20:44 PM  
impaler: Barbigazi: America assimilates cultures. We don't really have a culture beyond that.

America is the Borg of culture.


America is a melting pot. Canada is a cultural mosaic.

I find the latter to be more interesting.
 
2010-07-30 02:20:50 PM  
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They took our JERBS!
 
2010-07-30 02:21:10 PM  
Oldiron_79: I came for some 1800s racist anti Irish stuff and am leaving disappointed.

Goddam spud-farkers
 
2010-07-30 02:21:19 PM  
Majority of Americans: Immigrants are lazy free-loaders who take our jobs

You could have stopped there. Also acceptable:

Majority of Americans: Illegals are lazy free-loaders who take our jobs

How about just smiting any business or contractor that is associated with hiring them?
 
2010-07-30 02:21:32 PM  
What I don't understand is why we don't capitalize on the illegal alien problem. Let them work, tax their pay, and set up massive factories down south pumping out all the crap we currently outsource to China. We could have our very own foxconn right here in America. Set up rules where anyone can work their, but you can't get promoted past "assembly line worker" without a green card or natural US citizenship.

We wouldn't be sending billions to China, and it would save us a ton on shipping charges and engineering costs when you don't have to coordinate with someone half way across the globe.
 
2010-07-30 02:21:39 PM  
Oldiron_79: I came for some 1800s racist anti Irish stuff and am leaving disappointed.

Just look up two posts. Is that so hard or are you Irish or something?
 
2010-07-30 02:21:59 PM  
It's obvious that many Americans confused immigrants with ILLEGAL immigrants.

It's not obvious why CNN chose that picture, with the plane buzzing the Statue of Liberty.
 
2010-07-30 02:22:02 PM  
Majority of Americans: "People of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons."
 
2010-07-30 02:22:05 PM  
Crown_of_Shoes: Oldiron_79: I came for some 1800s racist anti Irish stuff and am leaving disappointed.

Goddam spud-farkers


I thought that title was for people from Idaho. . .
 
2010-07-30 02:22:16 PM  
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2010-07-30 02:22:59 PM  
Kali-Yuga: When your "culture" is extremely primitive, and you want to move somewhere that is actually civilized, why shouldn't you assimilate?

European immigrants actually had something to offer our society and were willing to assimilate to the American way of life, not make the areas they live in resemble the third world shiat hole they may have came from.


SO MUCH THIS.
 
2010-07-30 02:23:06 PM  
there are parts in L.A. where english is not even needed. its more productive to speak korean/spanish than english to do business. within those communities english would be detrimental. Outside those communities is a different story.
 
2010-07-30 02:23:18 PM  
regardless of language, with the job thing, if immigrants or outsourced workers are willing to work for peanuts, if that's what today's global market will bear, then i'm sorry, but that's what your job is worth.

just because you're american or unionized doesn't entitle you to exorbitant pay for your work. if anything, immigrants and outsourced workers should bump you up the employment ladder, since you're such a "valuable" american employee.

most of the time it's the menial or drone-like positions that get filled by cheaper labor. you, as an apparently "entitled" american, should be in a supervisory position or something. if you didn't get an education, don't have the work ethic, whatever it is, means you won't get paid $15/hr. for that job that an equally capable immigrant will do for $7.50.

/unless, as has been noted, it is a government or customer service oriented position, requiring interaction, for which passable english is essential.
 
2010-07-30 02:23:28 PM  
Di Atribe: aimtastic: I love seeing someone get all upset because other people are speaking Spanish within her earshot, even though they're not speaking to or about her. I can only assume that she's upset because either A. she's paranoid that they're talking about her; or B. she's a nosy biatch who wants to eavesdrop on strangers' conversations.

FTR, I don't become annoyed by people speaking other languages just out and about. But if you expect to do business & participate in government programs, at least know enough to have a conversation. I'm not asking for fluency. Just give it a shot.


you try to learn a new language when you are holding down more than one job and your own knowledge of your native language is equivalent to someone that barely finished elementary school.

Spanish-speakers (and others) in the USA know that learning English is useful and advantageous. It pisses me off when politicians try to point this out as though the beaners didn't know it.

Those that don't learn the language make sure their children learn the language in school and this kids become their de facto translators (which is probably awesome during parent-teacher meetings). One or two generations down the line, the descendants of these immigrants don't even speak the family language anymore. It has been like that for pretty much every immigrantion wave.
 
2010-07-30 02:23:53 PM  
Some cultures are superior.
 
2010-07-30 02:24:10 PM  
aimtastic: Di Atribe: I don't understand why you have to give up part of your culture to blend in. Are these 2 things mutually exclusive? You don't have to give up speaking your native language in order to learn English. I only bring up the language thing because that seems to be the biggest thorn in the side of those who are anti-immigrant.

I love seeing someone get all upset because other people are speaking Spanish within her earshot, even though they're not speaking to or about her. I can only assume that she's upset because either A. she's paranoid that they're talking about her; or B. she's a nosy biatch who wants to eavesdrop on strangers' conversations.


Im guessing you've never had a customer get pissed at you because you don't understand them when they don't speak any English. If I were to move to Japan I damn sure would learn Japanese. They expect to live and work here then they damn well need to learn English.

And since illegal immigrants cause a financial burden in government services that they do not share in the cost of by paying taxes they ARE freeloaders. That is fact, not a perception. I've never heard anyone characterize them as lazy though.
 
2010-07-30 02:24:38 PM  
Di Atribe: FTFA: "Two-thirds of whites say that immigrants should give up some important aspects of their culture to blend in; only about four in ten Hispanics, and an equal number of blacks, agree with that view," adds Holland.

I don't understand why you have to give up part of your culture to blend in. Are these 2 things mutually exclusive? You don't have to give up speaking your native language in order to learn English. I only bring up the language thing because that seems to be the biggest thorn in the side of those who are anti-immigrant.


Um, yes, you do. If you want to be part of American society, you can't be seen speaking a foreign language in public. It makes people suspicious about what you're saying. If you're a decent citizen and have nothing to hide from your fellow citizens, use English.

More important, perhaps, is that if you want your children to be Americans - that is, to speak American English without a heavy foreign accent - you can't speak your native language to them at home.

To speak of culture in general: the excellent thing about American culture is that it assimilates all the best of every other culture without any of the drawbacks. That is to say: if your 'cultural activities' are the sorts of things ordinary Americans find disgusting, they probably *should* be given up (ie, female circumcision, the hijab, Jew-bashing, tacos made of salivary glands).
 
2010-07-30 02:24:49 PM  
Illegal Gimmigrants who are a drain on our local and federal governments via free health care, free schooling for the kids, free social services and no tax burden beyond OPTIONAL sales taxes?

What, are we green lighting all the TROLL-TASTIC headlines now?

Guess we have a bunch of out-of-work produce farmers flaming up the internet today...

/i can do it too, see?
 
2010-07-30 02:25:14 PM  
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Even if your an American citizen, they can put you in an internment camp. Just ask the 110,000 Japanese AMERICANS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
 
2010-07-30 02:25:29 PM  
Driedsponge: What I don't understand is why we don't capitalize on the illegal alien problem. Let them work, tax their pay, and set up massive factories down south pumping out all the crap we currently outsource to China. We could have our very own foxconn right here in America. Set up rules where anyone can work their, but you can't get promoted past "assembly line worker" without a green card or natural US citizenship.

How about not ignoring the US citizens out of work? You do that, they'll make it worse for US citizens.
 
2010-07-30 02:26:20 PM  
Di Atribe: I don't understand why you have to give up part of your culture to blend in.

yeah, I for one think Americans need to embrace some of the ideas that foreign cultures embrace. I'm speaking specifically of women driving. The Saudis got it right. Women shouldn't be allowed to drive. Also the Pakistani cultural tradition of dodging taxes might be a good one to look into too.

/nuthin
 
2010-07-30 02:26:28 PM  
Kali-Yuga: Di Atribe: I don't understand why you have to give up part of your culture to blend in. Are these 2 things mutually exclusive? You don't have to give up speaking your native language in order to learn English.

When your "culture" is extremely primitive, and you want to move somewhere that is actually civilized, why shouldn't you assimilate?

European immigrants actually had something to offer our society and were willing to assimilate to the American way of life, not make the areas they live in resemble the third world shiat hole they may have came from.


How can a person in the 21st century be so bigoted and backward and...
*checks Kali-Yuga's profile*

Oh, from Arizona. Makes sense.
 
2010-07-30 02:27:01 PM  
My girlfriend worked as a waitress in a sushi restaurant. They kept hiring Guatemalans for the kitchen with *very* few English skills. The owner, a Japanese woman, had a tenuous grasp of English to begin with, and her husband, the chef, had barely any English at all. Neither knew a word of Spanish.
It was odd to watch the multiple language barrier as both of these groups tried to use English to get the point across and a statement traveled through four different people.
My girlfriend is fluent in Spanish, and though that would be a boon. She was wrong. The owner treated it like an usurpation of power and the Guatemalans were saying some nasty shiat about how much they hated the owner. Hard to cover it up when the owner asked what they were saying, the owner thought the gf was keeping secrets and holding out for more money. Fired the gf to bring in a Japanese nephew.
As far as I know, there's still a bunch of Japanese people trying to figure out how to communicate with the Guatemalans with "Where's the bathroom?" level English.

/cool story bro
 
2010-07-30 02:27:09 PM  
america, land of the fear, home of the bravado.
 
2010-07-30 02:27:11 PM  
It's Funny, I've been around Hispanics most of my life, they were my friends growing up and I've worked with hundreds in the Construction and Food service industries that I'm in, and I would have to say more that 90% of them spoke a little to fluent English but would never admit it, or just keep it to themselves. They sure do got a sense of humor, I'll give them that.


/If a mexican ever asks you if you like "Chorizo", Just Say No!! Trust me.
 
2010-07-30 02:27:20 PM  
Di Atribe: FTR, I don't become annoyed by people speaking other languages just out and about. But if you expect to do business & participate in government programs, at least know enough to have a conversation. I'm not asking for fluency. Just give it a shot.

How about when I order a sandwich?

"Ham on wheat please."
She goes for the white sub roll.
"No. Wheat bread." (makes pointing gester towards the wheat bread)
She grabs the rye bread and looks at me
"NO, THE WHEAT BREAD. WHEAT. WHEAT BREAD!"
She looks confused then turns to co-worker who holds up all the types of bread they have and the process of elimination starts. Meanwhile, everyone behind me is pissed that I'm taking so long.

Really, WTF?
 
2010-07-30 02:27:41 PM  
I've got mine. The rest of you GET OUT
 
2010-07-30 02:27:46 PM  
Anybody who thinks that the poll shows what subby wrote in the headline fails at:
1. Reading Comprehension
2. Understanding Statistics
3. Understanding Polls
4. Understanding MSM attention whoring.
 
2010-07-30 02:27:53 PM  
No culture/ race is more superior to another! I say this is BS. Nobody in America is really American at least after they're great granparents. Borders are invisible made up lines to control people and keep them seperated from thy brother and sister. If you ask me this is all just racist, and another barrier people are putting up for themselves to block themselves from the truth, THAT WE ARE ALL ONE!
 
2010-07-30 02:28:10 PM  
Driedsponge: Let them work, tax their pay, and set up massive factories down south pumping out all the crap we currently outsource to China.

Tax what pay? Do you know how low salaries would have to be to compete with China?
 
2010-07-30 02:28:27 PM  
HarrisonBergeron: most of the time it's the menial or drone-like positions that get filled by cheaper labor. you, as an apparently "entitled" american, should be in a supervisory position or something. if you didn't get an education, don't have the work ethic, whatever it is, means you won't get paid $15/hr. for that job that an equally capable immigrant will do for $7.50.

I would like to add that most of the people I know who fit this description of entitlement to higher pay also shop at Wal-Mart, Dollar General, Dollar Tree, Merchandise Outlet and any of the other places that sell the cheapest of cheap shiat from China. They don't realize that they're actually supporting the global business model that makes their jobs less and less valuable.
 
2010-07-30 02:28:37 PM  
Everybody back in the pile!
 
2010-07-30 02:28:40 PM  
Hooray for Mexican culture!!

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lh4.ggpht.com
 
2010-07-30 02:28:45 PM  
Yeah you should give up your culture to be a part of the one that was cobbled together from other cultures.
 
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