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(No Pym Particles for You)   The reason you're not getting Ant Man in the Avengers movie? Edgar Wright   (digitalspy.com) divider line 49
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2010-07-30 12:09:39 PM
Bastard.
 
2010-07-30 12:54:27 PM
Walker: Bastard.
 
2010-07-30 12:59:34 PM
The English Major: Walker: Bastard.
 
2010-07-30 01:00:22 PM
Walker: Bastard.

They wouldn't have done him and Wasp justice while trying to get the the team and Hawkeye introduced anyways. Just have him come in when the second movie has Ultron and the Vision as enemies.
 
2010-07-30 01:00:37 PM
Schrodinger's Petting Zoo: The English Major: Walker: Bastard.
 
2010-07-30 01:02:40 PM
WAUGH.
How hard is it to make a script for a mad scientist that tries to be a super hero and keeps failing at it but that would be a great super villain?!?

Just setup Doctor Pym as being part of the group formation, you dont have to put him fighting, just have him as one of the persons responsible for the group, fark sake.
 
2010-07-30 01:11:38 PM
I'd like for us to just get this Avengers thing over with so it can underwhelm people and we can move on with our lives.

As Hollywood has shown multiple times, more is not necessarily better. Having all these colorful characters onscreen is likely to be one of two things:

1) An overindulgent mess, like Iron Man 2 and Watchmen were
2) A movie that confuses anyone not familiar with the source material, because you can't take all these characters with complex backstories and effectively use them to tell a story without skipping some of the details.

The only way you can tell this sort of story is with the new guy / fish out of water angle (see: X-Men and Hellboy), but then, you wind up getting a bunch of paper-thin supporting characters whom no one really remembers or cares about.

If Ant-Man's not going to be in this thing, it's really for the best.
 
2010-07-30 01:12:21 PM
Oh, here I was thinking that Antman would just spend most of the movie in county lock-up for domestic battery.
 
2010-07-30 01:14:17 PM
Damn, there goes my hopes of seeing Pym date Jocasta who is essentially his granddaughter as she was created by his 'son' Ultron.
 
2010-07-30 01:15:03 PM
Hoboclown: Schrodinger's Petting Zoo: The English Major: Walker: Bastard.
 
2010-07-30 01:16:04 PM
secularsage:

A movie that confuses anyone not familiar with the source material, because you can't take all these characters with complex backstories and effectively use them to tell a story without skipping some of the details.


But if you think about it, by the time the Avengers movie is released, the Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, and Thor backstories will have already been told in their own movies.
 
2010-07-30 01:16:11 PM
secularsage: 2) A movie that confuses anyone not familiar with the source material, because you can't take all these characters with complex backstories and effectively use them to tell a story without skipping some of the details.

The reason this should be less of an issue is because they don't need to build up the characters. They've already been built up in the other movies. Sure, that means you have to see the other movies but I don't know who would be seeing Avengers and not seeing Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, or Hulk. On top of that, most people already know their basic back stories.
 
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2010-07-30 01:23:01 PM
Bondidude: Hoboclown: Schrodinger's Petting Zoo: The English Major: Walker: Bastard.
 
2010-07-30 01:24:41 PM
zz9: Bondidude: Hoboclown: Schrodinger's Petting Zoo: The English Major: Walker: Bastard.
 
2010-07-30 01:27:23 PM
Brentnsndr: zz9: Bondidude: Hoboclown: Schrodinger's Petting Zoo: The English Major: Walker: Bastard.

/don't really care. just wanted to join the quote orgy.
 
2010-07-30 01:36:00 PM
pd771: secularsage: 2) A movie that confuses anyone not familiar with the source material, because you can't take all these characters with complex backstories and effectively use them to tell a story without skipping some of the details.

The reason this should be less of an issue is because they don't need to build up the characters. They've already been built up in the other movies. Sure, that means you have to see the other movies but I don't know who would be seeing Avengers and not seeing Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, or Hulk. On top of that, most people already know their basic back stories.


I'm just saying, in terms of story structure, you've got 2, maybe 3 hours to say something, and it's hard to do that with a large cast of characters. Narratively, it's going to be hard to explain how characters like Iron Man, the Hulk, Nick Fury, Captain America and Thor all suddenly band together as buddies.

Also, many of the second-stringers (Hawkeye, Black Widow, and whomever else they decide to include) aren't going to have movies of their own to explain their own origins.

When it comes to superhero films, less is more. Consider the films that have been the best-- Spider-Man 1 and 2, The Dark Knight, and Iron Man: all films about solitary superheroes. I'll give X-Men 1 and 2 a pass for managing to focus on a group of heroes without overwhelming the audience, but in both, a lot of the X-Men (Colossus, Kitty Pryde, etc.) got relegated to being background characters, and some of the others (Iceman, Storm) had barely any character development because there just wasn't time.

The Avengers would make a killer HBO miniseries. I'm just skeptical it's going to be a good or fulfilling film.
 
2010-07-30 01:39:38 PM
Good. Edgar Wright is a great filmmaker, and he shouldn't have to sacrifice quality for fanservice. Ant-Man will be amazing and let's hope Simon Pegg is the star!
 
2010-07-30 01:46:49 PM
If the Ant Man movie is an origin movie, it's going to be shiatty. Let the Avengers movie take care of all of the origins so they can move on to real stories.
 
2010-07-30 01:47:43 PM
Lord_Dubu: Brentnsndr: zz9: Bondidude: Hoboclown: Schrodinger's Petting Zoo: The English Major: Walker: Bastard.

I do care.
 
2010-07-30 01:52:49 PM
Braindeath: Lord_Dubu: Brentnsndr: zz9: Bondidude: Hoboclown: Schrodinger's Petting Zoo: The English Major: Walker: Bastard.

I do care.


Nathan Fillion would have made the perfect Hank Pym.
 
2010-07-30 02:08:26 PM
Is there a holdup because Simon Pegg's involvement in other projects like Star Trek and possibly The Boys?
 
2010-07-30 02:08:52 PM
My bf interviewed Edgar Wright and Superman yesterday during the Scott Pilgrim press junket stop in San Francisco. He also added the two to his photo collection of interviewees as video game stock photo models:

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My bf still won't stop talking about how Anna Kendrick touched his controller:

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2010-07-30 02:22:51 PM
Brentnsndr: zz9: Bondidude: Hoboclown: Schrodinger's Petting Zoo: The English Major: Walker: Bastard.
 
2010-07-30 02:36:25 PM
secularsage: pd771: secularsage: 2) A movie that confuses anyone not familiar with the source material, because you can't take all these characters with complex backstories and effectively use them to tell a story without skipping some of the details.

The reason this should be less of an issue is because they don't need to build up the characters. They've already been built up in the other movies. Sure, that means you have to see the other movies but I don't know who would be seeing Avengers and not seeing Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, or Hulk. On top of that, most people already know their basic back stories.

I'm just saying, in terms of story structure, you've got 2, maybe 3 hours to say something, and it's hard to do that with a large cast of characters. Narratively, it's going to be hard to explain how characters like Iron Man, the Hulk, Nick Fury, Captain America and Thor all suddenly band together as buddies.

Also, many of the second-stringers (Hawkeye, Black Widow, and whomever else they decide to include) aren't going to have movies of their own to explain their own origins.

When it comes to superhero films, less is more. Consider the films that have been the best-- Spider-Man 1 and 2, The Dark Knight, and Iron Man: all films about solitary superheroes. I'll give X-Men 1 and 2 a pass for managing to focus on a group of heroes without overwhelming the audience, but in both, a lot of the X-Men (Colossus, Kitty Pryde, etc.) got relegated to being background characters, and some of the others (Iceman, Storm) had barely any character development because there just wasn't time.

The Avengers would make a killer HBO miniseries. I'm just skeptical it's going to be a good or fulfilling film.


The problem with comic book movies is the same problem comic books have been having in general for the past decade - decompression. When was the last time you read a comic by DC or Marvel that took ONE issue to tell a whole story? For me, its at least been three or four years when Batman and Superman #666 came out. They presume, because of their source material, that in order to have a fulfilling media experience we need to be totally apprised of all the previous information and all its interconnected bits. That's why they keep retooling the origin stories. Did we really need to see how Batman became Batman in Batman Begins? Nope, everybody already knows what Batman is about and they really just pissed away an hour and a half and cut Michael Caine a pay check.

Why can't we have a movie where the main character is already a superhero? The only movie that comes to mind that was like this is Buckaroo Banzai...World Renowned Rock Star/Neurosurgeon/Adventurer
 
2010-07-30 02:44:55 PM
I remember attending a screening of Hot Fuzz where Edgar Wright hemmed and hawed about the Ant Man movie. How long does Marvel let him sit on the rights to Ant Man when they have Avengers movies to pimp out? Do they finally take it away from him if he decides to finish up his trilogy first?

Besides, Aaron Eckhart should be playing Hank Pym.
 
2010-07-30 03:02:02 PM
Well at least we won't be seeing Nathan Fillion as Henry Pym. There are positives to every negative.
 
2010-07-30 03:04:05 PM
Oh yes, that's just what this production needs... another male lead. Just choose one please, AT LEAST: Scarlet Witch, Tigra, She-Hulk, Wasp, Jocasta, Captain Marvel/Photon/Pulsar, Ms. Marvel, Spider Girl/Woman, Crystal, Moondragon, Mockingbird, Mantis, Firestar... heck, even Jewel from Bendis' Alias series. It's a fanboy's wet dream to have Scarlett J. onscreen as Black Widow, but c'mon, it'd be nice to gaze upon at least one more set o' mammaries in the line-up.
 
2010-07-30 03:09:41 PM
strangveyn: Well at least we won't be seeing Nathan Fillion as Henry Pym. There are positives to every negative.

Awww... it's OK, sport. Even though I'm sure he must have scarred you deeply with his acting, the bad man can't hurt you if you don't let him. Be strong and buck up, little camper.
 
2010-07-30 03:13:01 PM
Doc Batarang: Did we really need to see how Batman became Batman in Batman Begins? Nope, everybody already knows what Batman is about and they really just pissed away an hour and a half and cut Michael Caine a pay check.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I thought Batman Begins was awesome. It wasn't as good as Dark Knight, but was definitely well-done.
 
2010-07-30 03:19:11 PM
Batman Begins deserves at least partial credit for integrating both the hero's and villain's origins and motives into a single plot line so the first hour wasn't wasted at all.
 
2010-07-30 03:19:35 PM
brashhulk: Oh yes, that's just what this production needs... another male lead. Just choose one please, AT LEAST: Scarlet Witch, Tigra, She-Hulk, Wasp, Jocasta, Captain Marvel/Photon/Pulsar, Ms. Marvel, Spider Girl/Woman, Crystal, Moondragon, Mockingbird, Mantis, Firestar... heck, even Jewel from Bendis' Alias series. It's a fanboy's wet dream to have Scarlett J. onscreen as Black Widow, but c'mon, it'd be nice to gaze upon at least one more set o' mammaries in the line-up.

Wasp can't really be in the movie without Ant Man (since her power are all based on his tech), Scarlett Witch can't because she originated in XMen and therefore Fox has the rights. Spiderwoman would piss off Sony because of Spider-man (even though they have totally different powers), Spider-girl falls under Sony's rights, Mockingbird wouldn't make sense until after Hawkeye, and none of the rest are well known or compelling characters. Miss Marvel would be the best choice out of them, but she doesn't scream "A lister". Maybe for a sequel.
 
2010-07-30 03:21:27 PM
NotEric: Batman Begins deserves at least partial credit for integrating both the hero's and villain's origins and motives into a single plot line so the first hour wasn't wasted at all.

True. It meant we didn't have to watch another 20 minutes tacked on for the villain's origin.
 
2010-07-30 04:18:55 PM
pd771: Scarlett Witch can't because she originated in XMen and therefore Fox has the rights

Not sure that's true. While Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch first appeared in X-Men, they are traditionally mostly considered Avengers. The contract would either have to be pretty freakin' broad or specifically mention them to necessarily include her.
 
2010-07-30 04:24:58 PM
Neeek: pd771: Scarlett Witch can't because she originated in XMen and therefore Fox has the rights

Not sure that's true. While Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch first appeared in X-Men, they are traditionally mostly considered Avengers. The contract would either have to be pretty freakin' broad or specifically mention them to necessarily include her.


From what I understand, the Fox contract gives them the right to any character who first appears in an X-Men comic, plus some that are heavily associated with it (like Wolverine, who first appeared as a Hulk antagonist.)
 
2010-07-30 04:25:01 PM
Doc Batarang: Why can't we have a movie where the main character is already a superhero? The only movie that comes to mind that was like this is Buckaroo Banzai...World Renowned Rock Star/Neurosurgeon/Adventurer

Didn't all of the X-Men except Wolverine and Iceman start the movie as X-Men?
 
2010-07-30 04:56:16 PM
Neeek: Doc Batarang: Why can't we have a movie where the main character is already a superhero? The only movie that comes to mind that was like this is Buckaroo Banzai...World Renowned Rock Star/Neurosurgeon/Adventurer

Didn't all of the X-Men except Wolverine and Iceman start the movie as X-Men?


Also pretty sure Daredevil did that. He mentions his origin in a 2-3 minute flashback and that's it.
 
2010-07-30 05:04:49 PM
Who gives a rats ass about Antman? Wife beater. Controls ants. ANTS PEOPLE, HE CONTROLS ANTS!
 
2010-07-30 07:35:10 PM
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I've got to be in that movie! It's the only way to redeem myself!
 
2010-07-30 07:40:54 PM
NotEric: Batman Begins deserves at least partial credit for integrating both the hero's and villain's origins and motives into a single plot line so the first hour wasn't wasted at all.

Actually I typically dislike when they pull the twofer. UNless it's one that actually existed - like Magneto, Professor X. I hated that Joker took the Joe Chill role in the first Batman.

And Hulk's enemy in Ang Lee's movie, being his dad.
 
2010-07-30 07:58:45 PM
Hoboclown: Neeek: Doc Batarang: Why can't we have a movie where the main character is already a superhero? The only movie that comes to mind that was like this is Buckaroo Banzai...World Renowned Rock Star/Neurosurgeon/Adventurer

Didn't all of the X-Men except Wolverine and Iceman start the movie as X-Men?

Also pretty sure Daredevil did that. He mentions his origin in a 2-3 minute flashback and that's it.


I keep saying this in these sorts of threads: quit with the origin stuff! You realize that Hollywood is straight up saying that movie goers are dumber than semiliterate man-boys that read comic books?

Virtually nobody in this thread started reading the major DC/Marvel comics from issue one. Every comic has a two sentence blurb on the first page to give a general idea of the origin and powers. And many times, the very first page is a splash page with some sort of action happening.

I don't know if they think they have to follow the formula from the very first Superman movie, but you don't have to start at the goddamn beginning. I sure didn't see Young Indiana Jones first. Star Wars starts with a title crawl and then a giant ship chasing and shooting at another one. Hook everyone from the start, and then we'll establish who the characters are.

Maybe I'm overestimating the audience, but if a Superman movie opened with Superman flying to save people falling from a burning building, or catching a plane in midair, the audience wouldn't start murmuring "how does he fly? how could he be so strong?"

I've read comics for years and I'll be honest, I have no farking idea where Ant-man got his powers. I think he invented all the doo-dads for the Ant-man stuff, but maybe he touched an enchanted meteor. I don't really care.

Save the origin for your sequels, so that you have a decent prequel built in. Or move the exposition fast - like I suppose Daredevil did. Here is a mediocre film that summed up like 1500 pages in two minutes damn right (new window)
 
2010-07-30 11:37:48 PM
Also, ant man is farking retarded. Sure classic character blah blah.

ANT MAN.

Come on people. What's next, the adventures of dogwelder and the monky from the wonder twins?
 
2010-07-30 11:39:31 PM
/Monkey

/overcome with anger at stupid comic characters like ant man.

/You want to make a classic comic book character with an awesome plot?

ROM.

/fark you, ant man.
 
2010-07-31 02:32:55 AM
people are up in arms about ant man? seriously? get a farking life. let woody allen take a shot.
 
2010-07-31 09:25:01 AM
Fano: I've got to be in that movie! It's the only way to redeem myself!

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2010-08-01 03:27:01 AM
Wendy's Chili: Brentnsndr: zz9: Bondidude: Hoboclown: Schrodinger's Petting Zoo: The English Major: Walker: Bastard.
 
2010-08-01 11:20:25 AM
I don't give a toss, Edgar Wright could steal my car and piss in my bed if he thought it would help make his next film better.
 
2010-08-02 12:11:56 PM
pd771: brashhulk: Oh yes, that's just what this production needs... another male lead. Just choose one please, AT LEAST: Scarlet Witch, Tigra, She-Hulk, Wasp, Jocasta, Captain Marvel/Photon/Pulsar, Ms. Marvel, Spider Girl/Woman, Crystal, Moondragon, Mockingbird, Mantis, Firestar... heck, even Jewel from Bendis' Alias series. It's a fanboy's wet dream to have Scarlett J. onscreen as Black Widow, but c'mon, it'd be nice to gaze upon at least one more set o' mammaries in the line-up.

Wasp can't really be in the movie without Ant Man (since her power are all based on his tech), Scarlett Witch can't because she originated in XMen and therefore Fox has the rights. Spiderwoman would piss off Sony because of Spider-man (even though they have totally different powers), Spider-girl falls under Sony's rights, Mockingbird wouldn't make sense until after Hawkeye, and none of the rest are well known or compelling characters. Miss Marvel would be the best choice out of them, but she doesn't scream "A lister". Maybe for a sequel.


And Hawkeye screams "A-lister"? Let's take an informal poll, shall we? Everyone who would prefer to see Jeremy Renner play Hawkdouche, raise their hands. Everyone who would like to see someone like, say, Carla Gugino (skewing older) or Amanda Seyfried (skewing younger) play Ms. Marvel, raise any various body part you wish.
 
2010-08-02 01:45:12 PM
Gridlock: Fano: I've got to be in that movie! It's the only way to redeem myself!



// Somebody call Aunt Slappy.


That is fantastic
 
2010-08-02 03:01:11 PM
shivashakti: Doc Batarang: Did we really need to see how Batman became Batman in Batman Begins? Nope, everybody already knows what Batman is about and they really just pissed away an hour and a half and cut Michael Caine a pay check.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I thought Batman Begins was awesome. It wasn't as good as Dark Knight, but was definitely well-done.


A lot of good things happened with "Batman Begins", but I have an issue with several choices they made with it. Deciding to switch Ducard into Ra's Al Ghul was a huge mistake, de-mystifing Ra's as a villain by turning him into an effete, snobby anarchist in charge of a bunch of ninja hooligans. He simply wasn't menacing in any way. Ken Watanabe had more charisma and impact in three minutes of silent, still screen-time than Neeson generated throughout the entire movie. Some of Neeson's stilted line readings were on par with his leaden Qui-Gon Jinn performance.

And that leads directly into the other miscastings: Katie Holmes was a complete blank onscreen and it's painful watching her zombie-shuffle through the film; Tom Wilkinson was out of his element as a Chicago-style mob boss and was obviously very uncomfortable wrangling with an American accent; Cillian Murphy looked every bit the fresh-faced 28-year-old he was when the movie was filmed, and didn't possess the gravitas to pull off a complex, creepy character like Dr. Jonathon Crane; and even though it was a minor role, Mark Boone Jr. was so bad as the crooked cop Flass as to cause considerable annoyance and distraction.
 
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