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(The New York Times)   Man arrested for taking pictures at an Amtrak station. Fark: for an Amtrak-sponsored contest called Picture Our Train   (nytimes.com) divider line 97
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2010-07-28 12:56:50 PM
What an Amtrak train looks like is one of the most heavily guarded secrets in the entire world and it is utterly vital to our national security, so I fully support them in this asinine breach of civil rights.
 
2010-07-28 01:16:56 PM
Nailed 'Em.
 
2010-07-28 01:35:19 PM
I thought the NYTimes wasn't doing registration anymore.


/F*ck it, mandatory registration? Not even worth bugmenot. They don't need the traffic.
 
2010-07-28 01:45:33 PM
I can't picture this happening.
 
2010-07-28 02:40:40 PM
Here I was thinking this happened again, when it's just a rehash of the old story.

TwistedIvory: I thought the NYTimes wasn't doing registration anymore.

They're not, at least to me. I didn't see a registration wall.
 
2010-07-28 02:41:00 PM
I think me and my camera will go to NYC this weekend and get paid five figures for a few hours work.

Sounds awesome.
 
2010-07-28 02:41:52 PM
Good god. These police officers who are arresting people for taking pictures are beyond farking retarded. What the fark? I can't even wrap my head around how they can be so farking stupid. I'm not trying to generalize all police officers, because I think they are necessary and provide a great public service, but nonetheless, the few of these asshats who are on power trips seem to make a bad name for the rest of them. Arresting someone for taking pictures? As if the officer will go back to the station and receive a farking medal? Oh, no, wait, they get farking sued. Dumbasses.

I think at that point, they should just turn in their badges and give up trying to be an officer. If all you can do is arrest people for taking pictures on public property, then you've failed at your job.
 
2010-07-28 02:49:36 PM
Was he arrested FOR taking pictures, or arrested for trespassing?
 
2010-07-28 03:02:02 PM
Barakku: What an Amtrak train looks like is one of the most heavily guarded secrets in the entire world and it is utterly vital to our national security, so I fully support them in this asinine breach of civil rights.

Most people have this idea that they are vaguely train-shaped, but they are actually quite indescribable. Maybe if Escher and Dali got together with Frank Gehry and dropped acid, they might have designed something a tenth as bizarre.
 
2010-07-28 03:03:16 PM
nekom: Was he arrested FOR taking pictures, or arrested for trespassing?

I highly doubt he was trespassing, seeing as how the officer would have, presumably, let him go, had he deleted the pictures. According to the article, it was only when he refused to delete the images that the officer arrested him for trespassing. Seems to me then that the officer knew he couldn't force the guy to delete the images, so he'd come up with something else.
 
2010-07-28 03:30:41 PM
Please tell me the cop got fired.
 
2010-07-28 03:44:13 PM
Marcus Aurelius: I think me and my camera will go to NYC this weekend and get paid five figures for a few hours work.

Sounds awesome.


Careful taking pictures of the NYC bridges. A lot of them are privately owned, considered private property, and the police will arrest you. There's no crime against taking pictures of the bridges, so they arrest you for not listening to a sign saying not to take pictures of the bridge. Apparently not listening to the sign is a crime.
 
2010-07-28 03:56:23 PM
Here's the citation given:

Photography on MTA Bridges and Tunnels:
Photography is not addressed directly in the regulations, however signs were posted that prohibit photography. The applicable regulation requires compliance with all signs:

1020.8 Compliance with posted signs. Every motorist and pedestrian using any facility under the jurisdiction and control of the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority shall obey and comply with the provisions of any posted sign on any of its facilities.

This rule applies to the Bridges and Tunnels owned by New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA Bridges and Tunnels), formerly the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority. They include the Triborough Bridge, Verazzano Bridge, Queens-Midtown Tunnel, Whitestone Bridge and Throgs Neck Bridge.

http://www.nycphotorights.com/laws/
 
2010-07-28 03:57:21 PM
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/217341/february-02-2009/n ailed--em---amtrak-photographer
 
2010-07-28 04:15:31 PM
A terrorist blowing up bridges and buildings is similar to vampires entering your home.

A vampire has to get permission to come in, and a terrorist has to take a picture of it first.

Otherwise it just won't work.
 
2010-07-28 05:02:41 PM
Arresting people for photographing national infrastructure is a common occurrence.

IN BURMA AND NORTH KOR-FARKING-EA
 
2010-07-28 05:04:49 PM
Walker: 1020.8 Compliance with posted signs. Every motorist and pedestrian using any facility under the jurisdiction and control of the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority shall obey and comply with the provisions of any posted sign on any of its facilities.

You don't have to follow the signs when you're not on the property.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2010-07-28 05:04:55 PM
Our policy has been and continues to be that 'Amtrak does not comment on civil case settlements'

It should be illegal for public agencies and quasi-public agencies like Amtrak to keep settlements secret. They don't need to comment, but they should be forced to reveal every last detail of the settlement.
 
2010-07-28 05:30:28 PM
Welcome to Blastocyst Holocaust OingoBoingo's America, in full effect.
 
zz9
2010-07-28 05:40:50 PM
The aftermath of this incident had a news crew interviewing the PR Director of the company saying there was indeed no law against photography and people could take photographs without any problem. As he was saying that a security guard stopped them filming and told them they cannot film there...
 
2010-07-28 05:45:09 PM
Sucker.
 
2010-07-28 05:47:01 PM
LAST year, a man named Robert Taylor was arrested on a nearly empty subway platform in the Bronx, accused of illegally taking pictures. For good measure, the officer threw in a disorderly conduct charge, on the grounds that Mr. Taylor was blocking people's movement, even though it was the middle of the afternoon, the platform was about 10,000 square feet and there was hardly anyone around. The charges were dismissed, and the city paid Mr. Taylor $30,000 for his trouble. The city had already paid $31,501 to a medical student who was arrested while he was shooting pictures of every train station in the city.

Whoa damn. I've got some money to make this weekend.
 
2010-07-28 05:47:27 PM
zz9: The aftermath of this incident had a news crew interviewing the PR Director of the company saying there was indeed no law against photography and people could take photographs without any problem. As he was saying that a security guard stopped them filming and told them they cannot film there...

Sadly this just happened again. The incident you're talking about was a year or two ago in DC.
 
2010-07-28 05:49:44 PM
Walker: Here's the citation given:

Photography on MTA Bridges and Tunnels:
Photography is not addressed directly in the regulations, however signs were posted that prohibit photography. The applicable regulation requires compliance with all signs:

1020.8 Compliance with posted signs. Every motorist and pedestrian using any facility under the jurisdiction and control of the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority shall obey and comply with the provisions of any posted sign on any of its facilities.

This rule applies to the Bridges and Tunnels owned by New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA Bridges and Tunnels), formerly the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority. They include the Triborough Bridge, Verazzano Bridge, Queens-Midtown Tunnel, Whitestone Bridge and Throgs Neck Bridge.

http://www.nycphotorights.com/laws/


I will talk to you folks later. I am on my way to post some signs.
 
2010-07-28 05:51:54 PM
There is some more info here (new window) about the incident.
 
2010-07-28 05:56:26 PM
FTA:"What qualifications does Amtrak have to function as a censor?"

They are the one writing the check.
 
2010-07-28 05:56:47 PM
Can anyone give a single example, of any occurrence, where a terrorist went out and took pictures of their target beforehand, and it was found that those pictures aided in their attack?
 
2010-07-28 05:59:08 PM
Walker: 1020.8 Compliance with posted signs. Every motorist and pedestrian using any facility under the jurisdiction and control of the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority shall obey and comply with the provisions of any posted sign on any of its facilities.

Hmmm... it doesn't put any qualifications whatsoever on the signs. So if I were to make a sign that says, "Tits or GTFO," every motorist and pedestrian would be obliged to doff their tops and bras.
 
2010-07-28 05:59:54 PM
ZAZ: Our policy has been and continues to be that 'Amtrak does not comment on civil case settlements'

It should be illegal for public agencies and quasi-public agencies like Amtrak to keep settlements secret. They don't need to comment, but they should be forced to reveal every last detail of the settlement.


Never will happen. It would tend to have a chilling effect on settlements - since the primary reason in cases like this for the defendant to enter a settlement is to make the bad publicity go away.

The actual damages the guy suffered are nowhere near 5 figures unless he gets beated or ass-raped while in detention. If you force the details of the settlement to be public record, not only would settlements never occur, but the final judgment you would receive would be $2500.
 
2010-07-28 06:00:07 PM
Barakku: What an Amtrak train looks like is one of the most heavily guarded secrets in the entire world

No, everybody knows they look much like other trains, except accordioned up, rolled on their sides, and with their front ends smashed in.
 
2010-07-28 06:01:20 PM
gilgigamesh: unless he gets beated

Wow. That's it.

No more lead chip flavoring on my breakfast cornflakes for me.
 
2010-07-28 06:02:14 PM
farm3.static.flickr.com
what a train station may look like in Spain
 
2010-07-28 06:02:26 PM
If he's a semipro photographer he should have known that as long as he reformats the memory to erase the images, he can probably recover the pictures before he takes any more on that memory.

Always have a few memory cards with you just in case you get hassled by the man.
 
2010-07-28 06:04:19 PM
Google is a terrorist. (new window)

Cops need to lose their jobs over this. No paid vacation. No slap on the wrist. They're law enforcement officers. It's their job to know the laws. They have to. Otherwise, how would they enforce the law? This is retarded.
 
2010-07-28 06:04:39 PM
$30,000 payday for an afternoon sitting in handcuffs? Where do I sign up? With a digital camera, you don't even have to pay for film!

/Ka-ching!
 
2010-07-28 06:09:29 PM
Rainbowtyedye: Always have a few memory cards with you just in case you get hassled by the man.

Alternatively:

ecx.images-amazon.com

+

www.gizmodo.de

=

Oh, so sorry officer! I'll delete those right away...

(Idiot pig..)
 
2010-07-28 06:10:57 PM
Walker: Careful taking pictures of the NYC bridges. A lot of them are privately owned, considered private property, and the police will arrest you. There's no crime against taking pictures of the bridges, so they arrest you for not listening to a sign saying not to take pictures of the bridge. Apparently not listening to the sign is a crime.

Huh? Since when is taking a photo of private property a crime (assuming you don't tresspass to get access to said private property)?

I understand that selling said photos may fall under copyright violation.
 
2010-07-28 06:12:58 PM
eastiowa: what a train station may look like in Spain

Meh. We've got better.

images35.fotki.com
 
2010-07-28 06:13:41 PM
TsukasaK: Oh, so sorry officer! I'll delete those right away...

You don't even need to do that. Just remove the card after you delete the photos, then undelete them when you get home. The cards just have a FAT filesystem; the software has existed for about 25 years.
 
2010-07-28 06:14:37 PM
Of course, the real travesty is that they tore down the original Penn Station, and replaced it with that dank, vile subterranean hole.

www.infrastructurist.com
 
2010-07-28 06:15:17 PM
What qualifications does Amtrak have to function as a censor?

OMG, my eyes rolled back so far, one of my contacts popped out.

They're not censoring anyone. They CANNOT censor anyone. They reached a settlement agreement. They pay him $$,$$$ and he never talks about Amtrak again and promises not to sue them. That's not censorship. It's called "a deal".

He certainly could have sued them and probably would have won but may not have ended up with as much (or any) money. Or he might have been awarded millions. Tens of thousands and STFU or being able to talk about the mystery door. 5 figures in the hand is worth more than 7 in the bush.
 
B A [TotalFark]
2010-07-28 06:15:19 PM
Walker: Here's the citation given:

Photography on MTA Bridges and Tunnels:
Photography is not addressed directly in the regulations, however signs were posted that prohibit photography. The applicable regulation requires compliance with all signs:

1020.8 Compliance with posted signs. Every motorist and pedestrian using any facility under the jurisdiction and control of the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority shall obey and comply with the provisions of any posted sign on any of its facilities.

This rule applies to the Bridges and Tunnels owned by New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA Bridges and Tunnels), formerly the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority. They include the Triborough Bridge, Verazzano Bridge, Queens-Midtown Tunnel, Whitestone Bridge and Throgs Neck Bridge.

http://www.nycphotorights.com/laws/


So let's post a sign:
All women under 150lbs must be nude!
 
2010-07-28 06:16:10 PM
So it's official. New York has turned into a police state.
 
2010-07-28 06:16:32 PM
eastiowa what a train station may look like in Spain Barrockstadt.

I have fixed it for you, Kate Walker.
 
2010-07-28 06:19:27 PM
Stories like this abound. Cops have long wished they could forbid most photography. Now, by mumbling some crap about 9/11 and the Patriot Act, they can. Also relevant is the story of the guy who shot this video, and is now facing sixteen years in prison for his trouble. (Although, in that case, the audio track of the recording was the issue, since it constituted, believe it or not, wiretapping.)
 
2010-07-28 06:23:12 PM
We have a winner
 
2010-07-28 06:23:45 PM
Doc Daneeka: Of course, the real travesty is that they tore down the original Penn Station, and replaced it with that dank, vile subterranean hole.

Eh, they're just fighting progress. Everyone knows humanity's future lies underground.
 
B A [TotalFark]
2010-07-28 06:29:59 PM
Captain Horatio Mindblower: Stories like this abound. Cops have long wished they could forbid most photography. Now, by mumbling some crap about 9/11 and the Patriot Act, they can. Also relevant is the story of the guy who shot this video, and is now facing sixteen years in prison for his trouble. (Although, in that case, the audio track of the recording was the issue, since it constituted, believe it or not, wiretapping.)

Yeah, I haven't quite figured out how taping a conversation, that didn't involve any electronic transmission of the conversation, could be classified as wiretapping.
 
2010-07-28 06:39:56 PM
B A: Captain Horatio Mindblower: Stories like this abound. Cops have long wished they could forbid most photography. Now, by mumbling some crap about 9/11 and the Patriot Act, they can. Also relevant is the story of the guy who shot this video, and is now facing sixteen years in prison for his trouble. (Although, in that case, the audio track of the recording was the issue, since it constituted, believe it or not, wiretapping.)

Yeah, I haven't quite figured out how taping a conversation, that didn't involve any electronic transmission of the conversation, could be classified as wiretapping.


I wonder why the police aren't being charged with wiretapping if their dashboard cams record sound.
 
2010-07-28 06:45:04 PM
There was a recent article posted about this: Link (new window)

Personally I'm not taking any chances, I'm going to get one of these: Eye-Fi card (new window)
 
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