How to play "Us and Them"

Decent tutorial on the song, which might add to your appreciation of it.

Would have been? Is he no longer among the living?

I have a 1995 solo album of his, some of it is pretty decent.

Alphax: Would have been? Is he no longer among the living?

Not for almost 2 years.

Alphax: Would have been? Is he no longer among the living?

He's still dead

czetie: Alphax: Would have been? Is he no longer among the living?

He's still dead

Still? Darn, I was hoping he would pull out of it.

Broken China was great. I had always held out hope for another solo album like it. I still hold out a little hope that somewhere there's material that will be released..

a band that I never could get into, guess I have to much taste and not enough drugs...

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: could get into, guess I have to much taste and not enough drugs...

I dont do the dope and I love them...you just have horrible taste inn music that's all.

20 bucks says you're a radiohead fan...or worse, a kings of leon fan...or both, but then I would want you and your family dead.

I'm currently reading "Comfortably Numb" - a great read; detailed, well-researched, full of information about Floyd I hadn't known. I recommend it.

/Waters, not surprisingly, comes off as a bit of a Wentz.
//Richard Wright comes off very well.

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: a band that I never could get into, guess I have to much taste and not enough drugs...


I've never done drugs and I can listen to and enjoy their music just fine. You don't need to get stoned to get into them. All you need is a good pair of headphones.


RIP, Rick. You're missed.

Coco LaFemme: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: a band that I never could get into, guess I have to much taste and not enough drugs...


I've never done drugs and I can listen to and enjoy their music just fine. You don't need to get stoned to get into them. All you need is a good pair of headphones.


RIP, Rick. You're missed.

more then likely you "like them" based on some social stereotype that you are trying to conform to. You are told that you should like pink floyd, so you do.

music isnt getting worse, music is changing. Our parents hated our music, their parents hated their music, it is the natural order of things. If you think modern music sucks because it isnt another pink floyd album, you are old and stuck in a rut. All things change or die. There is nothing wrong with only liking one type of music, or a group of bands, where there is a problem is assuming that everything else sucks because it isn't what you want to hear.

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: Coco LaFemme: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: a band that I never could get into, guess I have to much taste and not enough drugs...


I've never done drugs and I can listen to and enjoy their music just fine. You don't need to get stoned to get into them. All you need is a good pair of headphones.


RIP, Rick. You're missed.

more then likely you "like them" based on some social stereotype that you are trying to conform to. You are told that you should like pink floyd, so you do.


Not even close, Sparky. I'm too young to have gotten into them when they were still touring and making music, so my impetus to start collecting their albums (on vinyl) and then bootlegs and then DVDs came solely from myself, not because some stupid DJ on the radio or talking head on TV told me Pink Floyd is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Out of my circle of friends and acquaintances, I'm the only person who likes them. Even better, I don't listen to terrestrial radio, so I'm not getting beaten over the head with their music, as chosen by corporate drones in an office somewhere.

I like them because their music is absolutely fantastic and I enjoy listening to it. Furthermore, I don't think modern music sucks. I enjoy a lot of contemporary artists and a lot of older artists as well. I have a very eclectic musical taste.

So I have no idea what the hell you're talking about or what your problem is.

I don't see why people come into these threads looking to get defensive. Especially when no one provoked them in the first place. Insecurity is the only explanation.

This is one of my all-time favorite songs...it really digs deep into the psychology of war...the chaos and the fear of not knowing "which is which and who is who." Tragic and intimate and beautiful beyond words. If you can't get that, drugs ain't gonna do a damn thing for ya.

What I don't see so much in modern music is musicianship and music as art.

Is anyone making anything like progressive rock these days?

Buddha Belly: What I don't see so much in modern music is musicianship and music as art.

Is anyone making anything like progressive rock these days?

you're trolling, aren't you?

Dogfacedgod: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: could get into, guess I have to much taste and not enough drugs...

I dont do the dope and I love them...you just have horrible taste inn music that's all.

20 bucks says you're a radiohead fan...or worse, a kings of leon fan...or both, but then I would want you and your family dead.

I'm a huge Radiohead fan, and I love Floyd, always have. When I got my first CD player for Christmas in 1984, "Wish you were here" was the first CD I had to have. Sat in my room with the lights off, the speakers on either side of my head and I listened the whole thing.

I listened to quite a bit of electronic and ambient music and I really liked the quirkyness of Radiohead, they were influenced a bit by those generes and in reality, it's that same aspect of Floyd that made me appreciate electronic/ambient in the first place.

Still mad at Gilmour for nixing the reunion tour.

A Floyd reunion wouldn't be the same without Wright on the keys.

I know he didn't sing the lead on "Time" but it's another highlight for Wright.


Something about the lyric "hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way."

Gangway Fathead: I know he didn't sing the lead on "Time" but it's another highlight for Wright.


Something about the lyric "hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way."


Actually, both Rick and David sang lead on Time -- David on the verses and Rick on the bridges. I do agree though, his vocals on that track are a definite highlight.

I am a huge Waters fan, I have a hard time listening to Post Final Cut PF cause without Waters in the band it's just not PF.

/run on much?
//was caught in the backseat trying to pick her locks

Scottybobotty: I am a huge Waters fan, I have a hard time listening to Post Final Cut PF cause without Waters in the band it's just not PF.

/run on much?
//was caught in the backseat trying to pick her locks


So then when Roger blackmailed Rick out of the band, The Final Cut was still Pink Floyd.....but AMLoR and The Division Bell aren't?

Interesting logic. I wasn't aware that Roger Waters was the whole of the band.

Sorry to say but pink floyd sucks. Just like the beatles.

Coco LaFemme: Scottybobotty: I am a huge Waters fan, I have a hard time listening to Post Final Cut PF cause without Waters in the band it's just not PF.

/run on much?
//was caught in the backseat trying to pick her locks


So then when Roger blackmailed Rick out of the band, The Final Cut was still Pink Floyd.....but AMLoR and The Division Bell aren't?

Interesting logic. I wasn't aware that Roger Waters was the whole of the band.

Ok, let me clarify.

I like PF when Waters was in the band.

Better?

Scottybobotty: Coco LaFemme: Scottybobotty: I am a huge Waters fan, I have a hard time listening to Post Final Cut PF cause without Waters in the band it's just not PF.

/run on much?
//was caught in the backseat trying to pick her locks


So then when Roger blackmailed Rick out of the band, The Final Cut was still Pink Floyd.....but AMLoR and The Division Bell aren't?

Interesting logic. I wasn't aware that Roger Waters was the whole of the band.

Ok, let me clarify.

I like PF when Waters was in the band.

Better?


Absolutely.

Coco LaFemme:

Ok, let me clarify.

I like PF when Waters was in the band.

Better?


Absolutely.

Thank Ya'.

/thinks The Final Cut is brilliant

I really like Wright's early stuff... "painbox", "remember a day", "see-saw", etc.

however, "wet dream" is mostly 'meh' and depressing, IMHO.

"wearing the inside out" is ok though.

also, I prefer this version of "us and them"
[something about its stripped-down minimalisticness]

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Rokoh: Sorry to say but pink floyd sucks. Just like the beatles.

Favorited. I couldn't agree more.

Musicology101: So then when Roger blackmailed Rick out of the band, The Final Cut was still Pink Floyd.....but AMLoR and The Division Bell aren't?

Anyone who believes this is the whole truth knows little of what was going on at the time. The fact is Rick had stymied The Wall project from the word "go". Most of this is due to him being a coke head at the time and instead of working, he preferred hanging out on his yacht off the coast of Greece.

When they weren't going to hit their deadline for the album because some more keyboards needed to be recorded, Roger called Rick and was told to "fark off".

It was at this point that Kamen had to do the keyboards and Roger wanted Rick out.

It wasn't all just a power play by Roger. At the time, Rick was a non contributor to the band. No music, no input and didn't even want to be around for the recording. Could Rog have handled it better? Perhaps, but he didn't. It certainly doesn't leave Rick blameless.


Not true. While I agree Rick is not totally blameless and even in later interviews he and other guys admitted that he had his share in what happened, if you think for one bleedin' second Roger didn't blackmail him out, you're crazy.

Their record label offered them a better financial deal if they finished the album ahead of schedule. Rick was not happy with that and didn't want to cut his vacation short. Selfish? Maybe. The problem is, Roger threatened to pull the master tapes of everything they worked on and leave the band with ZERO money if he didn't leave. After they had been swindled out of money a couple years earlier, all of them were hurting financially and getting a bit more cash for finishing the album earlier than planned was a sweet deal. Rick essentially had no choice but to leave, if he intended to keep a roof over his head and food on the table. By agreeing to leave, he'd be paid for having done some work on the album and he was the only member of the band who made any money off the tour as he was a salaried musician, no different than Snowy White.

As for Rick's alleged cocaine problem, I've only ever heard that was a rumor.

I attended a wedding in London in 1998, and was seated with the Vicar.

He told a great story of taking his children to play with those of one of his parishoners, one Mr. Wright. He was asked to wait in one of the rooms of Mr. Wright's large domicile while he collected his children; the room happened to include numerous Grammy awards.

When the Vicar asked about the Grammies, Mr. Wright was very dimissive; "Oh, just some stuff accumulated during my career..." The Vicar previously had no idea that "Mr. Wright" was actually Richard Wright of Pink Floyd, and that's just the way Mr. Wright wanted it.

Loved Pink Floyd since the 1970s. Didn't realize Wright had passed. RIP.

/Waters is a douche.

Certainly You Jest




seriously though, cool story bro.

I always gathered from interviews that the man was a nice, humble guy.

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: a band that I never could get into, guess I have to much taste and not enough drugs...

Someone told me once that you can't really appreciate Pink Floyd until you spend sometime in England, in the cold, rainy, dreary part of the year.

I have to agree.

Certainly You Jest: I attended a wedding in London in 1998, and was seated with the Vicar.

He told a great story of taking his children to play with those of one of his parishoners, one Mr. Wright. He was asked to wait in one of the rooms of Mr. Wright's large domicile while he collected his children; the room happened to include numerous Grammy awards.

When the Vicar asked about the Grammies, Mr. Wright was very dimissive; "Oh, just some stuff accumulated during my career..." The Vicar previously had no idea that "Mr. Wright" was actually Richard Wright of Pink Floyd, and that's just the way Mr. Wright wanted it.


Hate to break this to you, but that's a lie. Pink Floyd won only one Grammy award, and it was for Marooned. In 1995. So Rick wouldn't have had multiple Grammys in his home for someone to notice.

Coco LaFemme: Certainly You Jest: I attended a wedding in London in 1998, and was seated with the Vicar.

He told a great story of taking his children to play with those of one of his parishoners, one Mr. Wright. He was asked to wait in one of the rooms of Mr. Wright's large domicile while he collected his children; the room happened to include numerous Grammy awards.

When the Vicar asked about the Grammies, Mr. Wright was very dimissive; "Oh, just some stuff accumulated during my career..." The Vicar previously had no idea that "Mr. Wright" was actually Richard Wright of Pink Floyd, and that's just the way Mr. Wright wanted it.


Hate to break this to you, but that's a lie. Pink Floyd won only one Grammy award, and it was for Marooned. In 1995. So Rick wouldn't have had multiple Grammys in his home for someone to notice.

Indeed this is fact.

jj325 2010-07-28 09:50:12 PM

Third_Uncle_Eno: I really like Wright's early stuff... "painbox", "remember a day", "see-saw", etc.

Agreed. I think Rick was the most Syd-like of the early Floyd members, and also the most talented. If any of those songs had hit like Arnold Layne or See Emily Play the band might have gone in a different direction, or possibly hit their stride sooner with Wright as more of a leader than Roger.

that is very interesting.

I hadn't thought of that possible tangent before.

thanks!

My favorite band sucks.

'Us and Them' is the same arrangement at different tempo as The Beatles 'Octopus's Garden'.

Discuss.