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2010-07-27 05:28:20 PM  
It's not a prison camp, they get a great education at the UN chartered school!

www.thejc.com

/Hot like white phosphorus
 
2010-07-27 05:31:41 PM  
slothMD: Philip Francis Queeg: Really get the facts before you call people dishonest.

Israeli helicopters attack Gaza police (new window)

Monday, 30 July, 2001, 21:00 GMT 22:00 UK

Oh, sorry, did I say 15 years ago? I guess it was only 9 years ago, back when Arafat was still alive, before the unilateral withdrawal of Israel from Gaza, and before the Palestinian-Authority-requested economic snubbing of Gaza.

Sorry, still not effing relevant to the situation today.

Philip Francis Queeg: The reporters also said a number of Hamas police stations were hit, killing some senior police commanders. (new window)

Not a reprisal like the ones when Arafat was around - that was part of the Gaza-Israeli war.

Philip Francis Queeg: Eight hours later, as daylight was peeking through the night sky above a Palestinian police checkpoint nine miles away, Israeli soldiers took their revenge. They opened fire without warning on a group of policemen, shooting one who fell nearby, while another took refuge in a tin hut and others fled. (new window)

West bank, 2002. Again, back before the withdrawal from Gaza, when Arafat was alive, on the other side of the country, and not the police headquarters, and not police responding to a crime. Not sure how that really supports your original assertion. Actually, not sure how that supports your original assertion AT ALL.


It supports that it is an ongoing Israeli policy as I said it was. The fact that it has been going on over a period of years doesn't make that less true, as you bizarrely claim.
 
2010-07-27 05:44:00 PM  
Philip Francis Queeg: It supports that it is an ongoing Israeli policy as I said it was. The fact that it has been going on over a period of years doesn't make that less true, as you bizarrely claim.

There is no current Israeli policy of "targeting the Palestinian police forces."

For one thing, the "Palestinian Police Forces" are in the West bank, and haven't been targeted since about the time Arafat died.

Secondly, the Gazan police forces - which are the ones that would be relevant to this discussion - were certainly hit during the shooting part of the Israel-Gaza war, but it's not like Israel just randomly shoots up the Gazan Police Force when there's not a shooting war on. So, no, the proper way to form your post would have been

Philip Francis Queeg: It's hard to arrest people when [you don't give a shiat].

The Israelis are *NOT*, emphatically *NOT* shooting up the heroic Gazan police forces who are valiantly trying to arrest the rocket launchers. Implying that this is so is a lie.
 
2010-07-27 05:46:39 PM  
Reverend J:



/Hot like white phosphorus


Oh, did that happen?
 
2010-07-27 05:52:40 PM  
Britain's really got a handle on how to win the hearts and minds of the Muslim ummah, after releasing the Lockerbie bomber, a hero to jihadist Muslims everywhere they then break out the good ole lies and hyperbole to appeal to the reactionary Turkish horde that has stopped even pretending to keep up the secular facade and reverted to their ancient, belligerent ways. Maybe that will buy the Brits some time, most likely these gestures will ultimately fall flat.
 
2010-07-27 05:55:53 PM  
slothMD: GodsTumor: Hell isn't so bad...



See they have hot women...

Do you have something in a redhead?


Fire-bush is their specialty...
 
2010-07-27 05:59:01 PM  
slothMD: Philip Francis Queeg: It supports that it is an ongoing Israeli policy as I said it was. The fact that it has been going on over a period of years doesn't make that less true, as you bizarrely claim.

There is no current Israeli policy of "targeting the Palestinian police forces."

For one thing, the "Palestinian Police Forces" are in the West bank, and haven't been targeted since about the time Arafat died.

Secondly, the Gazan police forces - which are the ones that would be relevant to this discussion - were certainly hit during the shooting part of the Israel-Gaza war, but it's not like Israel just randomly shoots up the Gazan Police Force when there's not a shooting war on. So, no, the proper way to form your post would have been

Philip Francis Queeg: It's hard to arrest people when [you don't give a shiat].

The Israelis are *NOT*, emphatically *NOT* shooting up the heroic Gazan police forces who are valiantly trying to arrest the rocket launchers. Implying that this is so is a lie.


I've provide links to show that you are the one lying. The facts speak for themselves, and I have provided documentation thereof. You really are rather shameless. Have you been training under Tatsuma?
 
2010-07-27 06:04:25 PM  
Philip Francis Queeg: I've provide links to show that you are the one lying.

No, you haven't. You've provided two links to show that the Palestinian police used to be targeted for reprisals back when Arafat was still around, and one link showing that sometimes police stations get hit during a shooting war.

You haven't provided a single link to support your assertion that the reason the GAZAN police aren't arresting rocket launchers is because "It's hard to arrest people when the Israelis target the Palestinian police forces." And I understand - it's hard to provide support for facts that just aren't true.
 
2010-07-27 06:15:09 PM  
slothMD: Philip Francis Queeg: I've provide links to show that you are the one lying.

No, you haven't. You've provided two links to show that the Palestinian police used to be targeted for reprisals back when Arafat was still around, and one link showing that sometimes police stations get hit during a shooting war.

You haven't provided a single link to support your assertion that the reason the GAZAN police aren't arresting rocket launchers is because "It's hard to arrest people when the Israelis target the Palestinian police forces." And I understand - it's hard to provide support for facts that just aren't true.


Again., I said it's been a long time policy. Palestinian Police forces were targeted in Arafat's time, and they were targeted in 2008.You want to some how say "yeah, all those times they were targeted, those don't count." Sorry, I don't see it that way.

I understand that you are filled with anger at the Palestinians and filled with admiration for the Israelis, but try to be a tiny bit less biased as you look at the facts for just a second.
There is a long string of documented Israeli attacks against Palestinian Police forces both in Gaza and out. Do you think those attacks might affect the ability of Palestinian police forces to accomplish their job? I do, and that's what I said.

No need for your anger, It's just a discussion of an Israeli policy, not an attack on you or anyone else.
 
2010-07-27 06:22:58 PM  
Philip Francis Queeg: There is a long string of documented Israeli attacks against Palestinian Police forces both in Gaza and out.

Maybe you could cite one of those if they're so well-documented and oft-occuring.

You haven't cited one yet.

(hint: Gaza and the West Bank aren't the same place)

(next up: article about a Palestinian man who was hurt slipping on a wet floor in the police station in Albany, NY.)
 
2010-07-27 06:24:29 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend: Philip Francis Queeg: There is a long string of documented Israeli attacks against Palestinian Police forces both in Gaza and out.

Maybe you could cite one of those if they're so well-documented and oft-occuring.

You haven't cited one yet.

(hint: Gaza and the West Bank aren't the same place)

(next up: article about a Palestinian man who was hurt slipping on a wet floor in the police station in Albany, NY.)


I've already provide the links.
 
2010-07-27 06:27:41 PM  
Philip Francis Queeg: I've already provide the links.

No. As has already been stated, your links are old. the events they describe weren't in Gaza and the events aren't relevant to the statement that you made any more than Hassam slipping on the wet floor in Albany is.

"Long string of documented..." ".... so here's something similar but not exactly the same that happened in 2001. "

You'd think if there was a "long string of documented" attacks you'd be able to come up with...um...documentation on even one of these attacks? Or two, which would make your case that there's a pattern.
 
2010-07-27 06:32:43 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend: Philip Francis Queeg: I've already provide the links.

No. As has already been stated, your links are old. the events they describe weren't in Gaza and the events aren't relevant to the statement that you made any more than Hassam slipping on the wet floor in Albany is.

"Long string of documented..." ".... so here's something similar but not exactly the same that happened in 2001. "

You'd think if there was a "long string of documented" attacks you'd be able to come up with...um...documentation on even one of these attacks? Or two, which would make your case that there's a pattern.


Umm, to prove a "Long string of attacks" some of the links are going to be old. That's kind of the point. I also included a link about attacks on police facilities in Gaza in 2008. Considering that Gaza has only been politically separate from the rest of the occupied territories since 2007, the distinction you are trying to make between attacks there and in the west bank prior to that time are rather pointless.
 
2010-07-27 06:37:46 PM  
Philip Francis Queeg: I also included a link about attacks on police facilities in Gaza in 2008.

Right. During a war.

During "Operation Cast Lead" the police station was hit by rockets and gunfire. That's what you got. That's it.

Umm, to prove a "Long string of attacks" some of the links are going to be old.

...and some, by logical extension, would be new. You don't have any of the 'new' variety of links, I notice. I'm sure that's because of.....um....... evil Jewish-controlled media censorship?

/unimpressed
 
2010-07-27 07:05:43 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend: During "Operation Cast Lead" the police station was hit by rockets and gunfire. That's what you got. That's it.

Of the 343 police officers killed during the war, 286 were confirmed Hamas members.

Independent investigations got that number around 300 total.
 
2010-07-27 07:14:06 PM  
Tatsuma: Life is stressful in prison camps, this is why Gazans should go and spend some time at one of Gaza's asian massage therapy bath houses

In the steamy depths of a centuries-old bathhouse beneath Gaza's crowded streets, Murad Awad channels positive energy by prying toxins from tired flesh.

The bathhouse, known as Hamam al-Samra, has survived centuries of conflict, and these days Awad uses Asian massage therapy to ease the more recent pain of war and isolation in the beleaguered Palestinian enclave.

As he smears rosewater on fingers and squeezes lemon juice over toes, he speaks of a symbiosis of mind, body and universe and discusses forces that transcend the toxic political disputes gripping the territory.



"This place has nothing to do with the outside world. It's for people who love beauty," the heavy-set 33-year-old says as he applies sharp pressure to the feet of a young man laid out on a stone bench, who moans from the pain.

A stone plaque on the wall says the bathhouse was last renovated in the 13th century during the Mameluke empire that ruled from Cairo. Its owner, Selim al-Wazir, claims it has stood for 1,000 years.

On the main wall hangs a huge portrait of the iconic Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and his one-time deputy Khalil al-Wazir, better known as Abu Jihad, one of the owner's famous relatives who was assassinated in Tunis in 1988.

Al-Wazir family mostly supports the late Arafat's secular Fatah movement, but the hamam welcomes Palestinians of all political persuasions, including the Islamist Hamas which has ruled Gaza since 2007.

"Hamas comes here all the time. Their men and their women come here," says Wazir, a jovial man who enjoys good relations with everyone.

Since conditions are so tough, it's a good idea to change your mind by watching a speedboat race off the coast.



Still, it might just not be enough to change your mind. Going to one of Gaza's many museums can help.



After walking inside, you can sit and look at how wretched the camp is from outside



or eat a meager refugee's ration inside



and finish the night by walking in the devastated gardens and remember how much better it used to be before the wretched zionists turned the place into ruins


Tats...

You remember how you lead the way on the Iran protest threads during the failed Green Revolution? You could just as easily find pictures of rich people in Tehran and say "Oh, the West is lying about Iran being an oppressive regime. Look at how much FUN these people are having!"

I think we can all recognize that those pictures are not representative of the lifestyle of the average Gaza resident.

Which is not to say that you're necessarily wrong about Gaza not being as bad as many make it out to be... but your message gets lost in hyperbole. A few photos and anecdotes do not evidence make.
 
2010-07-27 07:28:23 PM  
Prison camp? No, absolutely not. More like a ghetto...

/zing!
 
2010-07-27 07:58:29 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend
Maybe you could cite one of those if they're so well-documented and oft-occuring.

So, I take it that you never read the Goldstone report?
 
2010-07-27 07:59:07 PM  
Tough choice. Prison or be set free to go to TransJordan (also part of what used to be their land) and get mowed down in mass by Jordanian troops. It's more likely than you think.

Muslim Jordanians put a serious number of holes in the bodies of Palestinians back in 1970. It was called Black September. Look it up. Muslim Jordanians killed 20,000 Palis if you listened to Arafat's version or 2,000 if you listened to King Hussein of Jordan's.

Arafat, there was a funny guy. Changed his name to the famous Mountain after it became apparent his given name was too closely associated with Nazi Germany and their alliance with his uncle during WW2. The more you know.
 
2010-07-27 08:05:06 PM  
Softens_hands_while_you_do_the_dishes
Prison or be set free to go to TransJordan

There's no such place, you know. There is the Kingdom of Jordan, where tens of thousands of Palestinian refugees already reside after Israel ran them off, but that's different.

By all means though, continue your anti-Palestinian revisionist history threadjack.
 
2010-07-27 08:06:43 PM  
mrexcess: So, I take it that you never read the Goldstone report?

You mean where he cites Hamas telling their police in Gaza to "face the Israeli enemy"?

That doesn't exactly bolster the argument that the poor Gaza police have their hands tied and are unable to enforce the law due to constant Israeli aggression. If anything, it indicates that Hamas has control over their internal police forces and that the police in Gaza should be considered just another wing of armed combatants.

Also the report is specifically dealing with events during Cast Lead. The argument made was that there is an ongoing assault by Israel on Gazan police and police stations which make the Gazan police unable to enforce the laws against lobbing rockets into Israel. [citation STILL needed]
 
2010-07-27 08:09:50 PM  
You haven't provided a single link to support your assertion that the reason the GAZAN police aren't arresting rocket launchers is because "It's hard to arrest people when the Israelis target the Palestinian police forces." And I understand - it's hard to provide support for facts that just aren't true.

Philip Francis Queeg:

Again., I said it's been a long time policy.


There is not and never has been a policy of targeting the Gazan police as they try to respond and arrest the rocket launchers. Partly because there has never been a policy of the Gazan police attempting to arrest the rocket launchers. The Gazan police force was militarized after the Hamas takeover, and has been used to enforce morality laws, but not no-firing-rockets edicts, except for a brief period during the ceasefire.

Philip Francis Queeg: I understand that you are filled with anger at the Palestinians and filled with admiration for the Israelis, but try to be a tiny bit less biased as you look at the facts for just a second.

I have no anger toward the Palestinians - not the Jordanians, nor the West Bankians, nor the Israelis, nor the Gazans. I'm just irritated that someone would try to pass off such a bullshiat reason for why the Gazan police don't arrest the rocket launchers. No, it has nothing to do with being targeted by the Israelis. And note that this mythical being targeted by the Israelis hasn't stopped the Gazan police from enforcing moral codes, or robbing banks, or doing any number of other things. And it's not stopping them from arresting the rocket launchers. The only thing stopping that is indifference.
 
2010-07-27 08:13:56 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend: No. As has already been stated, your links are old. the events they describe weren't in Gaza and the events aren't relevant to the statement that you made any more than Hassam slipping on the wet floor in Albany is.

One of them was an attack on Arafat's bunker, which happened to be attached to a police station in Gaza.
 
2010-07-27 08:16:26 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend
You mean where he cites Hamas telling their police in Gaza to "face the Israeli enemy"?

No, that's not what I mean. But you knew that.

The argument made was that there is an ongoing assault by Israel on Gazan police and police stations which make the Gazan police unable to enforce the laws against lobbing rockets into Israel.

No, that wasn't the argument. Here's what Philip Francis Queeg said:

There is a long string of documented Israeli attacks against Palestinian Police forces both in Gaza and out. Do you think those attacks might affect the ability of Palestinian police forces to accomplish their job? I do, and that's what I said.

Do you dispute that there is a long string of documented Israeli attacks against Palestinian police forces?
 
2010-07-27 08:17:33 PM  
slothMD
One of them was an attack on Arafat's bunker, which happened to be attached to a police station in Gaza.

Do you have a citation on there having been a police station attached to Arafat's compound?
 
2010-07-27 08:33:53 PM  
Thank's god for Tatsuma!
 
2010-07-27 08:40:28 PM  
mrexcess: Do you dispute that there is a long string of documented Israeli attacks against Palestinian police forces?

Yeah. I do.

So far every time someone has asked for a citation they've been given links from 8 years ago or links to events in which the "police" status of the participants is nominally significant, at best. You'd think that if there was such a "long string of documented attacks" someone could show...oh...i dunno...documentation of a long string of attacks and not a couple of incidents from 8 years ago and something that happened during an actual war. How about something from this year? Last year? Something from 2008 but not during Cast Lead? 2007? 2006?! How far back must I go before this "long string" becomes apparent, cuz right now I'm just not seeing the pattern.

As far as the rockets being Israel's fault because Israel has hamstrung the Gazan police's ability to stop the rocket makers and the guys lobbing Kassams into Israel? Laughable. There's never been any attempt by Gazan authorities to stop those rockets. They're part of the mandate. Might as well blame their inaction on sun spots or astrological signs.

No, that's not what I mean. But you knew that.


It's certainly relevant, though. The Gaza police are militarized and are essentially a part of the Gazan militia, ordered by their bosses to confront the IDF. Why should this armed faction be given more leeway than Tanzim or the Al Aqsa Martyrs or the Muslim Brotherhood or Al Qaeda of Palistine or any other armed faction tacitly (or, in this case, openly) endorsed by Hamas?
 
2010-07-27 09:02:02 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend: There's never been any attempt by Gazan authorities to stop those rockets.

Wow. Is this thread full of this much propaganda?

farking google, how does it work?


Hamas arrests Gaza rocket squad after two Qassams hit Negev - Haaretz...

Hamas arrests first rocket squads since truce | Reuters


News - Asia: Hamas arrest 120 Fatah men after explosion

Reuters AlertNet - ISRAEL-OPT: Hamas enforces ceasefire in Gaza

What the holy fark? I thought we've all ben through how Hamas tried to enforce the ceasefire, arrested people from antagonistic groups like Islamic Jihad, and didnt, as Israel said, Hamas didnt launch rockets during the ceasefire.

Bill, whats different about days like today, is that it takes 3 minutes to debunk blatant Hasbara like this. it makes you look really bad.
 
2010-07-27 09:03:33 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend
So far every time someone has asked for a citation they've been given links from 8 years ago

Isn't that a pretty reasonable part of demonstrating "a long string"?

or links to events in which the "police" status of the participants is nominally significant, at best.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Bombing police stations and killing police is more than nominally significant to the question of whether Israel has a history of attacking Palestinian police forces.

How about something from this year? Last year?

2007: Israeli army attack Palestinian police officers in Hebron and kidnap one civilian
2007: Israeli naval forces kill two Palestinian Police Officers in southern Gaza
2008: Israeli shells kill 7 Palestinian policemen in Khan Younis

As far as the rockets being Israel's fault because Israel has hamstrung the Gazan police's ability to stop the rocket makers and the guys lobbing Kassams into Israel? Laughable.

It is. The blame for the rocket fire falls squarely on the shoulders of those firing the rockets. However, blaming the Palestinian police forces for failing to stop them is also laughable. Civil infrastructure in the occupied territories is a well-documented joke. Hamas promises to improve that situation was a big part of their 2006 campaign and a big part of convincing Gazans to vote for them.

It's certainly relevant, though.

It may or may not be, though it's worth discussing. As an answer to the question that I asked you, though, it was a disingenuous way to talk past me rather than addressing the point I was trying to make.

There's never been any attempt by Gazan authorities to stop those rockets.

Actually that's not true. The source, a member of the Strip's Islamic Jihad militant group, told AFP that members of Hamas' security force arrested four Islamic Jihad militants, forcing them to sign a document stating that they pledged not to fire Qassam missiles or mortar bombs at Israel. The official added that the Hamas men also confiscated the weapons found on the Islamic Jihad militants.

Might as well blame their inaction on sun spots or astrological signs.

Israel is already using those excuses for why it continues building new settlements in the occupied territories, aren't they?

The Gaza police are militarized and are essentially a part of the Gazan militia, ordered by their bosses to confront the IDF.

You're speaking in more absolute terms than I think you'd accept from the other side. There is evidence of some Gaza police cooperating or coordinating with Hamas, and more of Hamas trying to get them to do that. That's a far cry, though, from saying that they're "essentially a part of the Gazan militia".
 
2010-07-27 09:06:45 PM  
IT ISN'T ETHNIC CLEANSING WHEN *WE* DO IT!!!!1
 
2010-07-27 09:16:10 PM  
mrexcess: .

So. I just looked at the nauseating Boobiess or so.

So how bad is this thread?
 
2010-07-27 09:17:18 PM  
mrexcess: Do you have a citation on there having been a police station attached to Arafat's compound?

It was in the link he posted.
 
2010-07-27 09:19:52 PM  
mrexcess: No, that wasn't the argument. Here's what Philip Francis Queeg said:

------------
Philip Francis Queeg: It's hard to arrest people when the Israelis target the Palestinian police forces.

f00f: is that the reason why palestinians are not prosecuted when they launch rockets?


Philip Francis Queeg:
In part, yes.
 
2010-07-27 09:21:07 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend: There's never been any attempt by Gazan authorities to stop those rockets.

Actually, they did a pretty good job of stopping them during the ceasefire.
 
2010-07-27 09:22:46 PM  
Party Boy: Hmmm, dunno how to gauge it really. There's the lack of serious, impersonal exploration of the topic, but by 2010 Fark Israel-thread standards it's not that bad. I've seen better and I've seen worse I guess. There are some posts worth reading though.
 
2010-07-27 09:23:31 PM  
slothMD: In what link who posted?
 
2010-07-27 09:27:00 PM  
mrexcess: Party Boy: Hmmm, dunno how to gauge it really. There's the lack of serious, impersonal exploration of the topic, but by 2010 Fark Israel-thread standards it's not that bad. I've seen better and I've seen worse I guess. There are some posts worth reading though.

Maybe the beginning and the end aren't representative? Ill bookmark it for later.
 
2010-07-27 09:30:55 PM  
mrexcess: In what link who posted?

Philip Francis Queeg: Israeli helicopters attack Gaza police (new window)
 
2010-07-27 09:31:58 PM  
Party Boy: So. I just looked at the nauseating Boobiess or so.

So how bad is this thread?


A little better than the norm - mild versions of the normal bullshiat, one novel piece of bullshiat.
 
2010-07-27 09:33:31 PM  
mrexcess: You're speaking in more absolute terms than I think you'd accept from the other side. There is evidence of some Gaza police cooperating or coordinating with Hamas, and more of Hamas trying to get them to do that. That's a far cry, though, from saying that they're "essentially a part of the Gazan militia".

Wait, are we talking about the first part ofthe Gaza assault, where "Israeli strikes killed scores of policemen on the first day of the war" because "Israel classes Gaza's police as combatants, although some lawyers say they should be regarded as civilians."
Then the complain on how the attacked police had trouble keeping order in a war zone

I must have missed something. There is no way were talking about that instance.
 
2010-07-27 09:34:36 PM  
slothMD: one novel piece of bullshiat.

Youll have to excuse me. I jumped into something weird at the end.

At any rate, thats funny.
 
2010-07-27 09:39:39 PM  
Party Boy: Youll have to excuse me. I jumped into something weird at the end.

Wipe your shoes before you come in here.

And how you doing, man? Long time no chat.
 
2010-07-27 09:41:28 PM  
slothMD: And how you doing, man? Long time no chat.

pretty good, really. Getting more surfing in than usual. Im really, really, really busy, but I've developed a "fark it" attitude, and a "Ill be dead before I want to admit, so lets have fun" mantra.
 
2010-07-27 09:42:08 PM  
slothMD: Hrm? That article refers to the police station in question as "close to" Arafats compound, not connected to it.

Party Boy
Maybe the beginning and the end aren't representative? Ill bookmark it for later.

Don't get me wrong, I might have lower or different standards of interest, and there's a hell of a lot more personal attacking/defending than talking about the subject. In terms of new information there isn't much here.

I must have missed something. There is no way were talking about that instance.

I think that's more or less it, although Bill_Wick's_Friend maintains that nothing that happened in 2008 could be relevant to Palestinian police capabilities today.
 
2010-07-27 09:43:55 PM  
mrexcess: .

Ill send you a relevant e-mail on that. It will put your conversation with that dude in context.
 
2010-07-27 09:44:59 PM  
Im not talking about slothdc. Hes generally been pretty mellow.
 
2010-07-27 09:56:52 PM  
Party Boy: mrexcess: You're speaking in more absolute terms than I think you'd accept from the other side. There is evidence of some Gaza police cooperating or coordinating with Hamas, and more of Hamas trying to get them to do that. That's a far cry, though, from saying that they're "essentially a part of the Gazan militia".

Wait, are we talking about the first part ofthe Gaza assault, where "Israeli strikes killed scores of policemen on the first day of the war" because "Israel classes Gaza's police as combatants, although some lawyers say they should be regarded as civilians."
Then the complain on how the attacked police had trouble keeping order in a war zone

I must have missed something. There is no way were talking about that instance.


It's fair to say that the degree to which the Gaza police have been miltarized within Hamas is a point of considerable debate.
 
2010-07-27 10:01:10 PM  
slothMD: It's fair to say that the degree to which the Gaza police have been miltarized within Hamas is a point of considerable debate.

I think the discussion is turning to the debate over the assault itself.
 
2010-07-27 10:18:56 PM  
Party Boy: Will be interested to read it. Tangentally, I wonder if there would be any success for some kind of Google Group or something for the (more responsible) Fark I/P regulars on both sides to sit down and discuss this stuff.
 
2010-07-27 10:22:48 PM  
mrexcess: Party Boy: Will be interested to read it. Tangentally, I wonder if there would be any success for some kind of Google Group or something for the (more responsible) Fark I/P regulars on both sides to sit down and discuss this stuff.

The cool thing is idea sharing. I've watched the changes and thats what seems cool. Jon Snow and I keep in contact. Sharp guy.
 
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