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2010-07-23 11:11:03 AM
The ADA may have sped up that trend, but it wasn't necessary.
The stuff is ridiculous.


So say those with two good legs.
 
2010-07-23 11:11:15 AM
pdee: This is a very small example of the ADA bull shiat going around.

Near me a very small town I drive through often is tearing up about 10 miles of sidewalks for this shiat. The existing side walks have ramps at each intersection and driveway but they do not meet ADA specs. This is a vey busy highway and not much on it. I have never seen anyone walking this lonely stretch of road and no wheelchairs but they are spending millions to replace sidewalks that are only a few years old and will never be used.

\Feel good laws DO hurt everyone.


When we built our house they made us put in a wheelchair ramp 15 feet from our driveway. We were told that we had to provide access to the sidewalk. The fact our driveway 15 feet away provided access didn't matter.
i939.photobucket.com
 
2010-07-23 11:11:43 AM
/came for the pics of hot parapalegic lifeguards

//are disappoint
 
2010-07-23 11:15:16 AM
Thought experiment: If everyone suddenly couldn't walk, what would the world look like in 100 years?
 
2010-07-23 11:15:25 AM
Crosshair: The Americans with Disabilities Act has been a failure. The Handicapped are unemployed just as much as before. (Increased employment of the handicapped was one of the major goals.) Drive by lawsuits abusing the ADA are common, and you have wastes of money like this to solve non-existent problems. The ADA regulations themselves are a mind boggling array of micro-management stupidity.

Increased handicapped accessibility was already being more widely implemented before the law was put in place. The ADA may have sped up that trend, but it wasn't necessary.


You sound REPUBLICAN !!!
 
2010-07-23 11:15:51 AM
cryinoutloud: ....all of whom will be named "Bob."

LOL, Good one...

/Bob, as in bobbing in the water for the short bus Farkers
 
2010-07-23 11:15:59 AM
someguy945: Suppose the lifeguards require a repair or other service on an upper floor.

Suppose that the building, which is currently used by lifeguards, is used for something completely different in the winter.


I've never seen a plumber/electrician/carpenter in a wheelchair

it's FL, people go in the ocean year round
 
2010-07-23 11:16:02 AM
Crosshair: The Americans with Disabilities Act has been a failure.

Some of it I can see. Wheelchair access into public buildings? No problem. Wheelchair access for a public building that isn't accessible to the public? Save your money.

At my former job I had to deal with the ADA goons. Had a staffer who was blind and needed special software (Jaws) to read out documents to her. No problem. I bought a PC, installed, all was well. The ADA people came out to visit. Yes her PC has the software right and she's been using it for months but you didn't purchase it from the proper vendor. That's right...I didn't buy the same f*cking Gateway from the vendor that dealt with this stuff. 1200.00 box he wanted 2500.00 for....identical except he installed the software on it were on mine I installed it myself. They made a huge stink over it then they got their panties in a wad because one of our applications that the maintenance department used - web based - wasn't friendly to her PC, which didn't matter because only the 2 maintenance guys used it.

My thoughts now...those ADA people need a beating to put them into wheelchairs.
 
2010-07-23 11:17:20 AM
No no no... not quadriplegic "lifeguards".

Quadriplegic life preservers.

/got rope?
 
2010-07-23 11:19:47 AM
I was fired from a beach guarding job when the new boss hired her friend to be the head guard and I made a fuss because the cow couldn't swim for crap. Kinda hard to be a beach guard when your best stroke is the dog paddle.
 
2010-07-23 11:22:20 AM
FTA: "They said, 'What happens if the public comes in on a tour or something like that? You have to make it accessible.' "

i.e. avoid any possibility of a lawsuit.
 
2010-07-23 11:23:59 AM
NYRBill: someguy945: Suppose the lifeguards require a repair or other service on an upper floor.

Suppose that the building, which is currently used by lifeguards, is used for something completely different in the winter.

I've never seen a plumber/electrician/carpenter in a wheelchair

it's FL, people go in the ocean year round


So because you've never seen one they don't exist? I know several disabled carpenters.

And just because we use the ocean year round doesn't mean there are lifeguards year round. Indeed, we generally only have lifeguards for six months.
 
2010-07-23 11:25:30 AM
DigitalSorceress: carrion_luggage: Never send a buoy to do a man's job.



~GROAN~

/good one... ouch that one hurt my soul just a little bit


Seconded, although my soul is already spent/sold/bartered
 
2010-07-23 11:26:12 AM
ne2d: Maybe Rand Paul was on to something after all.

Bureaucracy can be inefficient?! How farking novel. You should follow this lead, you may only be a few steps behind Ric Romero.

stupid bureaucratic decision is stupid, Rand Paul is not the only one aware of this
 
2010-07-23 11:28:42 AM
I tend to trip on curbs (hell, I could trip on a shadow) so I quite like the general idea of sloping corners. But sometimes they take the bureaucratic hair-splitting too far.

Recently, a lot of work was done at a busy intersection near my job. Basically, they moved the crosswalks and ramps farther from the intersection. Now the crosswalks don't align with the sidewalks, and are less visible to drivers who are turning. It didn't benefit anyone!

The ramps are fractionally wider, which is what makes me suspect some narrow interpretation of the ADA regs. So a wheelchair user may be able to use the ramp more quickly (after they find the crosswalk), but it makes them more likely to get run over. Yay, progress!
 
2010-07-23 11:28:54 AM
mazzz: Thought experiment: If everyone suddenly couldn't walk, what would the world look like in 100 years?

surelyyourenotserious.com
 
2010-07-23 11:30:01 AM
Done in two.
 
2010-07-23 11:31:02 AM
They will just end up taking the lifeguard station down, and not having one.
 
2010-07-23 11:33:04 AM
castufari: Crosshair: The Americans with Disabilities Act has been a failure.

Some of it I can see. Wheelchair access into public buildings? No problem. Wheelchair access for a public building that isn't accessible to the public? Save your money.

At my former job I had to deal with the ADA goons. Had a staffer who was blind and needed special software (Jaws) to read out documents to her. No problem. I bought a PC, installed, all was well. The ADA people came out to visit. Yes her PC has the software right and she's been using it for months but you didn't purchase it from the proper vendor. That's right...I didn't buy the same f*cking Gateway from the vendor that dealt with this stuff. 1200.00 box he wanted 2500.00 for....identical except he installed the software on it were on mine I installed it myself. They made a huge stink over it then they got their panties in a wad because one of our applications that the maintenance department used - web based - wasn't friendly to her PC, which didn't matter because only the 2 maintenance guys used it.

My thoughts now...those ADA people need a beating to put them into wheelchairs.


Yeah, this is why you should never hire the handicapped, the ADA is too much of a pain in the ass to deal with.
 
2010-07-23 11:35:13 AM
The ADA contains exemptions for just this kind of thing... the fact that Floridians can't wrap their mind around it ought not be damning of the law itself.

/used the eeoc to sue under the ADA
//my employer said I could not sit on a stool because they "have an image to maintain"
 
2010-07-23 11:40:42 AM
mazzz: Yeah, this makes an easy target for all you anti-liberal, anti-govt. knee-jerkers, but if I stuck you in a wheel chair and transported your ass back before the ADA, suddenly it would all make sense.

Don't believe me? Borrow a wheel chair and try it out for a week. See what happens. And to make it even more fun, don't use anything that was installed as a result of the ADA.



You sound quadriplegicy.
 
2010-07-23 11:48:35 AM
Cajnik: Fat Tire is the worst beer New Belgium makes. There, I said it.
/1554 is damn good


THIS. And even though I really like 1554, I prefer Mothership Wit. And during the summer, I have to have a Skinny Dip.

/threadjack
//haha! bob
 
2010-07-23 11:49:46 AM
Common sense is always the first casualty when battling government.
 
2010-07-23 11:51:24 AM
castufari: Crosshair: The Americans with Disabilities Act has been a failure.

Some of it I can see. Wheelchair access into public buildings? No problem. Wheelchair access for a public building that isn't accessible to the public? Save your money.

At my former job I had to deal with the ADA goons. Had a staffer who was blind and needed special software (Jaws) to read out documents to her. No problem. I bought a PC, installed, all was well. The ADA people came out to visit. Yes her PC has the software right and she's been using it for months but you didn't purchase it from the proper vendor. That's right...I didn't buy the same f*cking Gateway from the vendor that dealt with this stuff. 1200.00 box he wanted 2500.00 for....identical except he installed the software on it were on mine I installed it myself. They made a huge stink over it then they got their panties in a wad because one of our applications that the maintenance department used - web based - wasn't friendly to her PC, which didn't matter because only the 2 maintenance guys used it.

My thoughts now...those ADA people need a beating to put them into wheelchairs.


Sounds like you would have been better off not hiring the blind lady.

Go ADA.
 
2010-07-23 11:52:59 AM
Slaves2Darkness: Yeah, this is why you should never hire the handicapped, the ADA is too much of a pain in the ass to deal with.

The blind user was ok. The guy in the wheelchair was ok. They never complained about anything. The ADA person...that one needed a beating.
Cat F Cat F: I used to love hearing Adam Carolla biatch

Used to? You mean he quit? The last time I listened to his podcast it's all he did was complain. There is a time when you just need to STFU, Adam. You got money and (had) a job, enjoy it before you end up like Axl Rose, giving knobbers under the Jersey Boardwalk.
 
2010-07-23 11:53:05 AM
this is yet another example of the rise of the fourth branch of government, the regulative branch. it will become all powerful in the every day operations of life, fees and fines will be their authority. ordinary citizens will learn to fear any one who works for a governmental agency that has regulative powers. (EPA, ADA, OSHA, USDA-- any initials that end in A)

Get your checkbook out america!
 
2010-07-23 11:55:48 AM
at first i thought they were talking about those raised wooden structures the lifeguards sit in on the beach...but they're talking about an actual building. a public building. that they're planning a half-million dollar renovation to...so, what's the problem? build a freaking ramp.
 
2010-07-23 11:55:52 AM
castufari: My thoughts now...those ADA people need a beating to put them into wheelchairs.

I wouldn't even mind spending tax dollars for that one ;)
 
2010-07-23 11:59:42 AM
Bpjosep: at first i thought they were talking about those raised wooden structures the lifeguards sit in on the beach...but they're talking about an actual building. a public building. that they're planning a half-million dollar renovation to...so, what's the problem? build a freaking ramp.

I don't think you understand the term "public building." Just because it serves a need of the public does not mean that it's open house day every day ;)
 
2010-07-23 12:06:17 PM
Yet another CSB. A busybody arsewipe in my town got a parking ticket for parking in a handicapped spot with an invalid handicapped hang tag (the tag was a university handicapped tag to be used only at the university). He refused to pay the $100 ticket and went on a lunatic 3 year rampage wielding the ADA weapon. The end result is (among other things) I have to pay $12,000 to rip up and repave ONE existing handicapped accessible parking space that is not pitched 1:50.

Also we have a $600 ADA compliant picnic table :(
 
2010-07-23 12:06:33 PM
pdee: This is a very small example of the ADA bull shiat going around.

Near me a very small town I drive through often is tearing up about 10 miles of sidewalks for this shiat. The existing side walks have ramps at each intersection and driveway but they do not meet ADA specs. This is a vey busy highway and not much on it. I have never seen anyone walking this lonely stretch of road and no wheelchairs but they are spending millions to replace sidewalks that are only a few years old and will never be used.

\Feel good laws DO hurt everyone.


Maybe you'd see more wheelchairs if it were handicapped accessible?

A local strip mall and the surrounding streets did a bunch of construction a year or two ago to comply with the ADA guidelines, despite no one walking around there. All the people who weren't handicapped still drove there, as always, but now the elderly and mentally retarded people who can't drive take their motorized scooter-chairs there. As a result a tourist would probably assume no one lives there except fat old people, but hey, it works.
 
2010-07-23 12:12:00 PM
Welcome to government 101. Force regulations to theoretically make everyone feel "even" whether it is necessary or even possible. All semblances of common sense have been thrown out the window under the pretense of making us a just society. There are good and reasonable sides to ADA, Affirmative Action, FMLA, the OSH act, etc., but most of it is just bureaucratic mindsets with no imagination or common sense.

The concept makes me think of the mandatory sentences for drug use violations. Don't look at whether the sentence fits the crime or whether it is financially practical, just go by the book and you don't have to bother your little conscious about it at all.
 
2010-07-23 12:15:42 PM
OK, here's the situation. Wall-o-Text commencing...

This sucks but Chapter 11 of the Florida Building Code (the ADA chapter) is the law. During boom times, local building departments didn't exactly scrutinize designs during the plan review process like they probably should have. Now things, especially here in Florida, are damned slow in respect to the building industry. Building departments are counting building permits in the 10's per month (if that) instead of the hundreds that they were used to.

As building departments are financially supported by permit fees rather than tax dollars, this leads to serious, serious layoffs at the local government level. They've let go nearly everybody they can while still maintaining the bare-bones minimum staff, but they're still struggling to stay busy.

So what do the employees do? They stay the fark busy so that when the next round of layoffs happens, they can point at all the "work" they've been doing to show how indispensable they are. So they nit-pick every set of plans that come across their desk. They research every code, every statute, and find reasons to deny a building permit. They'll even deny you on made-up reasons if they have to. Why? Because then you'll have to make corrections and re-submit the plans to them for another review, thus keeping them "busy".

This is what I see everyday around me (Charlotte and Lee counties, mostly). It may not be the same throughout the entire state but I'd be surprised if it was really much different. The problem is, from the standpoint of the owners, designers, and contractors, there's really very little recourse to the stupidity. You have to address and respond to any code-related comments of questions by the plan reviewer and do so according to the laws of the land. Since ADA is the law, even if it's stupid, they have every legal right to demand that you follow it to the letter.
 
2010-07-23 12:18:44 PM
NYRBill: someguy945: Suppose the lifeguards require a repair or other service on an upper floor.

Suppose that the building, which is currently used by lifeguards, is used for something completely different in the winter.

I've never seen a plumber/electrician/carpenter in a wheelchair

it's FL, people Northerners go in the ocean year round
.

FTFY

/Floridians won't go in the water until it's above 80 degrees
 
2010-07-23 12:20:38 PM
simusid: Yet another CSB. A busybody arsewipe in my town got a parking ticket for parking in a handicapped spot with an invalid handicapped hang tag (the tag was a university handicapped tag to be used only at the university). He refused to pay the $100 ticket and went on a lunatic 3 year rampage wielding the ADA weapon. The end result is (among other things) I have to pay $12,000 to rip up and repave ONE existing handicapped accessible parking space that is not pitched 1:50.

Also we have a $600 ADA compliant picnic table :(


Funny - the only person that I know that has ever gotten a ticket for parking in a handicapped parking spot is my sister... who is in a wheelchair. The one day that she got a ride from someone else (instead of her husbands car with the handicapped plates) and forgot her hanging tag. it turned into a big deal going downtown, scheduling a time with the judge, etc.

Handicapped parking spaces are a joke. 50% of the people who use them, leave the handicapped person in the car while the able-bodied person runs inside to shop! 25% are people who got their temporary handicapped parking tags while they heal from such issues as shoulder surgery or hair implants. 20% are just a**holes who park there and give you "what chew gonna do bout it" looks when you look at them. The other 5% are probably legit.
 
2010-07-23 12:29:56 PM
simusid: Yet another CSB. A busybody arsewipe in my town got a parking ticket for parking in a handicapped spot with an invalid handicapped hang tag (the tag was a university handicapped tag to be used only at the university). He refused to pay the $100 ticket and went on a lunatic 3 year rampage wielding the ADA weapon. The end result is (among other things) I have to pay $12,000 to rip up and repave ONE existing handicapped accessible parking space that is not pitched 1:50.

Also we have a $600 ADA compliant picnic table :(


I used to be plant manager of a small food manufacturing company. We did a company expansion and needed to add onto our parking lot. The city stated that due to the size of our plant, we needed to have 40 parking spaces with 4 being handicapped. That was ridiculous as we only had 15 employees with none being handicapped - and we were not a retail store. Even though 90% of our square footage was either storage or dock space (un-occupied), the entire square footage went into the calculation for the number of parking spaces - including handicapped - required. We fought, but the city is very closed-minded to reality. "This is what it states in the book that you need for a building that size, so that is what you need to put in or you don't get your certificate of occupancy".

Stupid mindless robots.
 
2010-07-23 12:32:28 PM
Tonka Truck: Welcome to government 101. Force regulations to theoretically make everyone feel "even" whether it is necessary or even possible. All semblances of common sense have been thrown out the window under the pretense of making us a just society. There are good and reasonable sides to ADA, Affirmative Action, FMLA, the OSH act, etc.

Two of those things in your list are not like the others...
 
2010-07-23 12:45:15 PM
HalEmmerich: cryinoutloud: ....all of whom will be named "Bob."

"Who's Robbie?"

/Hoping I caught the right reference, I can't imagine many other Quadraplegics(or people otherwise lacking limbs) named Bob who were lifeguards at some point


I think the reference was:
"What do you call a man with no arms and no legs in a swimming pool?"
"Bob!"
 
2010-07-23 12:52:35 PM
Came for the "Bob" jokes, left happy...
 
2010-07-23 12:53:34 PM
i29.photobucket.com
 
2010-07-23 01:06:53 PM
"Who's the new lifeguard?"

"He can't talk, he's paralyzed. We've just been calling him Buoy.."
 
2010-07-23 01:34:15 PM
The outhouse just shy of the summit of Mt. Rainier is wheelchair accessible as well. One parapeligic has ever climbed to the mountain's peak. I don't think a narrow toilet stall would have hindered him.
 
2010-07-23 01:48:05 PM
Just what batshiat-crazy Florida needs: To act more like the UK.
 
2010-07-23 01:55:04 PM
Someone in the wheelchair lift business has mob connections.

Goddamn I hate this state sometimes.
 
2010-07-23 01:56:50 PM
Tonka Truck
Handicapped parking spaces are a joke. 50% of the people who use them, leave the handicapped person in the car while the able-bodied person runs inside to shop! 25% are people who got their temporary handicapped parking tags while they heal from such issues as shoulder surgery or hair implants. 20% are just a**holes who park there and give you "what chew gonna do bout it" looks when you look at them. The other 5% are probably legit.

One lady I saw proceeded to go into the department store from the handicapped spot and drive their motorized wheelchair as if she was drunk.

Cool story, bro!
 
2010-07-23 02:05:11 PM
Slaves2Darkness: castufari: Crosshair: The Americans with Disabilities Act has been a failure.

Some of it I can see. Wheelchair access into public buildings? No problem. Wheelchair access for a public building that isn't accessible to the public? Save your money.

At my former job I had to deal with the ADA goons. Had a staffer who was blind and needed special software (Jaws) to read out documents to her. No problem. I bought a PC, installed, all was well. The ADA people came out to visit. Yes her PC has the software right and she's been using it for months but you didn't purchase it from the proper vendor. That's right...I didn't buy the same f*cking Gateway from the vendor that dealt with this stuff. 1200.00 box he wanted 2500.00 for....identical except he installed the software on it were on mine I installed it myself. They made a huge stink over it then they got their panties in a wad because one of our applications that the maintenance department used - web based - wasn't friendly to her PC, which didn't matter because only the 2 maintenance guys used it.

My thoughts now...those ADA people need a beating to put them into wheelchairs.

Yeah, this is why you should never hire the handicapped, the ADA is too much of a pain in the ass to deal with.


Amen.

You can't say that when you round-file their application, but here's how the dialogue goes:

"This person's a great fit. And we'll get tax breaks for hiring a disabled person!"
"I didn't like their attitude."
"But it was a perfect interview, and they are almost overqualified."
"I DIDN'T LIKE THEIR ATTITUDE!!!"

/That's why so many office job postings have "must be able to lift 50 pounds" in them
 
2010-07-23 02:11:06 PM
mazzz: Yeah, this makes an easy target for all you anti-liberal, anti-govt. knee-jerkers, but if I stuck you in a wheel chair and transported your ass back before the ADA, suddenly it would all make sense.

Don't believe me? Borrow a wheel chair and try it out for a week. See what happens. And to make it even more fun, don't use anything that was installed as a result of the ADA.


um like the BEACH?
 
2010-07-23 02:12:02 PM
Lots43: Someone in the wheelchair lift business has mob connections.

Goddamn I hate this state sometimes.


My brother owns an elevator company and alternates between loving the ADA and feeling guilty about it. In his state, you used to be able to install elevettes, small little elevators with non-powered doors (they used regular hinged doors and the car tripped the lock when it arrived at the floor). It was a pretty good design, it could fit 3 people or 2 people if one was in the wheel chair. The idea was one person in the wheel chair and an attendant to work the doors.

Very popular for churches and other historic buildings that didn't really get a lot of traffic and didn't have the space/money to throw on a full sized shaft and stick in a car with a one ton capacity. Also popular in the homes of disabled people or rich senior citizens.

Then the ADA changed and said "powered doors for all". My brother got a massive amount of business ripping out the elevettes, installing full sized shaft ways and sticking in full sized elevators. He says these days 90% of his maintenance isn't repairing things due to use, but repairing things due to lack of use. Stuff dry rots or binds up because it's not being moved and lubed.

Really sucks for the small churches that had to come up with 50k for the larger elevator and now have to eat the repair bills for the expensive equipment.
 
2010-07-23 02:51:15 PM
It REALLY grinds my gears to cruise down the road and see them ripping out the sidewalk ramps only to install those truncated domes (the bumps for blind people). Not only is it really stupid because I wasn't aware of the epidemic of blind people getting hit by cars, but also because of the economies of scale. NOt only are they doing UNNECESSARY WORK, but they are PAYING THROUGH THE NOSE because you can't get a good price on coming out to do a 4x8 section of concrete like you can when you do 4,000 ft of sidewalk.

I can understand them using these types of things on new contruction, but the amount of money WASTED on fixing existing stuff is RIDICULOUS and a perfect example of GOVERNMENTAL WASTE.


/rant off.
//too much text, no one will read this.
 
2010-07-23 03:22:11 PM
In other news, some 2 story life guard stations don't have a ramp
 
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