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(Guardian)   Let the North Koreas and Algerias of the world stay home and watch: Fifa should forget about money and reduce the World Cup draw to a more managable 16 teams   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 63
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2010-07-21 02:14:23 PM
i heard enough biatching before the tourney that there weren't enough teams and how there were good teams that didn't make it

32 is fine, leave it alone
 
2010-07-21 02:14:51 PM
Horseshiat. The round robin is the best part.
 
2010-07-21 02:15:32 PM
1. Cut the field down to two teams.
2. ???
3. Profit.
 
2010-07-21 02:17:05 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

A sports organization caring about more than just money?

Oh wait, you're serious...let me laugh even harder.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHA
 
2010-07-21 02:22:21 PM
Absolutely stupid. I'm not surprised this came from an UK site. Their definition of "negative" football is just not correct. The problem is the Suarez, Ronaldo, Robben, and Maicon of the world who are highly skilled but resort to acting when faced with adversity. Fans lose their moments of excitement when these players fall down when there's a possibility that they might lose possession of the ball. Dish out harsh punishments for offenders already, and force any player down longer than 30 seconds out of the game.
 
2010-07-21 02:32:12 PM
Brilliant! England wouldnt make it either
 
2010-07-21 02:39:34 PM
Subby: Let the North Koreas and Algerias of the world stay home and watch: Fifa should forget about money and reduce the World Cup draw to a more managable 16 teams

What world do you live in?
 
2010-07-21 02:45:05 PM
Let the North Koreas and Algerias of the world stay home and watch

North Korea gave us a pretty good game against Brazil. Switzerland beat Spain, New Zealand was robbed of a win against Italy in a great game, and I can go on an on.

The round robin is fun stuff because the powers always show up lacking a little extra juice in those first few games, and some serious upsets are always at play.
 
2010-07-21 02:46:43 PM
Yeah, what a dumbass. 16 teams means like one team each from Africa and Asia. way to cut out 4 billion people, dude.

plus more games equals more fun. the reason there's more money in 32 teams is because more people want to watch more games, and THAT'S THE POINT.
 
2010-07-21 02:48:05 PM
You lost them at "Fifa should forget about money".
 
2010-07-21 02:51:24 PM
Uruguay prob wouldn't have made a 16 team tourney, and watching Diego Forlan's awesomeness was one of the highlights of the tournament for me and many others.
 
2010-07-21 02:52:43 PM
SigmaAlgebra:

Heh heh, nice.
 
2010-07-21 03:06:29 PM
Funny, that sounds exactly like the cries of the fan of every big-time college athletics program.

Waah, we shouldn't have to play all these games against teams that could beat us before we can claim "sweet 16" or "elite 8." I mean, seriously, what if they win????

/This is the exact argument by fans against a football playoff
//32 is good to me
///13 Euro teams is too many
 
2010-07-21 03:06:37 PM
It's been quoted, but I came looking for Bender. Figured it was the obvious choice for this thread.
 
2010-07-21 03:08:45 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

Yeah, let's keep the crappy teams out!
 
2010-07-21 03:09:57 PM
It is a ~200 country tournament - let the last 32 play for the title.
 
2010-07-21 03:13:35 PM
There weren't as many big matchups because there were lots of upsets. You generally get upsets or big matches. Both are exciting.

I'd just as much want to see Best Korea beat Brazil, as I would like to see Brazil play an epic game against Spain.
 
2010-07-21 03:18:48 PM
The Guardian is assuming England would be in that 16.
 
2010-07-21 03:25:38 PM
Compared to the Euros, Fifa's global cash-cow keeps big teams apart and encourages negative football - it's time to make it a 16-team tournament again

Yes, unlike the Euros it encourages negative football. I too can't even remember as far back as 2004.
 
2010-07-21 03:34:12 PM
Rapmaster2000: The Guardian is assuming England would be in that 16.

This.
 
2010-07-21 03:40:09 PM
J.Garcia'sRightMiddleFinger: Uruguay prob wouldn't have made a 16 team tourney, and watching Diego Forlan's awesomeness was one of the highlights of the tournament for me and many others.

YES. That dude was awesome! His play is one of the reasons I'm looking forward to league play. Also, two of the boys from Ghana too.. very impressive.
 
2010-07-21 03:50:23 PM
How about doing away with the current qualification process and, regardless of federation, take the top 32 teams in the FIFA rankings? And figure out some sort of incentive for teams that are virtual locks to qualify--Brazil, Germany, etc.--to take on teams that would want to move up in the rankings. Since we've concluded money talks, FIFA could pay the higher-ranked side a chunk of the revenues from the match. Otherwise, the top 32 teams could in theory conspire to only play one another to 0-0 draws, and rankings would/should technically remain stagnant.
 
2010-07-21 04:01:46 PM
Dr.Knockboots: boys from Ghana

That's racist!! Were they uppity too?

/I'm just joking-came from the race card thread.
 
2010-07-21 04:05:41 PM
Newsflash: People who don't live in Brazil, Argentina and Western Europe like to watch soccer too, and it's more interesting if they have a chance to root for a local team while they're at it.

Or maybe they should stop calling it the 'World Cup' and instead call it the 'Countries That Have The Best Professional Leagues Cup'

/article writer is an asshole
//and he would be whining about the unfairness of it all if England managed to get itself excluded
///I was really hoping for a Uruguay/N. Korea final, or something similar...alas
 
j68
2010-07-21 04:14:38 PM
The only thing wrong with the World Cup is how they limit how many teams from each continent qualify. Some damn good European teams were left out while teams like Best Korea made the cut.
 
2010-07-21 04:16:45 PM
We already had enough issue playing in South Africa. Does Real really want to spring Ronaldo for a qualifying tour through Abuja, Yaounde, Quito, Manila, and Tegucigalpa?

The leagues are where the big money is, as the international game is distracting enough for them as it is.
 
2010-07-21 04:20:00 PM
Dr.Knockboots: J.Garcia'sRightMiddleFinger: Uruguay prob wouldn't have made a 16 team tourney, and watching Diego Forlan's awesomeness was one of the highlights of the tournament for me and many others.

YES. That dude was awesome! His play is one of the reasons I'm looking forward to league play. Also, two of the boys from Ghana too.. very impressive.


Definitely going to go check out some Atletico Madrid play thanks to him.
 
2010-07-21 04:35:07 PM
J.Garcia'sRightMiddleFinger: Uruguay prob wouldn't have made a 16 team tourney, and watching Diego Forlan's awesomeness was one of the highlights of the tournament for me and many others.

Agreed! He was great (and allowed me to make Michael Bolton jokes during every Uruguay game). Also, the Uruguayan national anthem is excellent.

/Seriously, I love that the World Cup is a full month of football almost every day. Why would you want to have fewer games?
 
2010-07-21 04:43:54 PM
Hell naw. Group play is the best part of the world cup.
 
2010-07-21 04:46:34 PM
FTA: It's hard even to isolate one great game: Germany's victories over England and Argentina were impressive, but too comfortable to be thrilling.

Germany vs Argentina was the most highly anticipated game of the round but Germany won to comfortably so this is an example of what is wrong with the World Cup?
My head hurts.
 
2010-07-21 04:46:43 PM
Yea, and stop calling it the World Cup. It's the Europe plus Argentina and Brazil Cup.
 
2010-07-21 04:51:56 PM
Did the author watch Spain play in the knockout stages? They are quite talented, but not exactly the most interesting soccer played.

What about Italy? Wouldn't they have been likely to be one of the final 16 teams. Never mind the fact that FIFA isn't going back to 24 or 16 teams and throwing away money but the argument really isn't that logical to me to begin with.
 
2010-07-21 04:55:02 PM
pearls before swine: Yea, and stop calling it the World Cup. It's the Europe plus Argentina and Brazil Cup.

Before 2010, only 3 teams from Europe have won the cup. That's as many as South America.
 
2010-07-21 04:55:19 PM
because if North Korea and Algeria are known for anything, it is the massive quantities of wealth they throw around.
 
2010-07-21 04:56:21 PM
farm1.static.flickr.com

/Hot as Rooney wasn't.
 
2010-07-21 04:58:18 PM
I like that they let the minnow countries in. We get to see great upsets like Mexico vs. France.
 
2010-07-21 05:00:41 PM
luken8r: Brilliant! England wouldnt make it either

Yeah. They're just jealous
 
2010-07-21 05:02:15 PM
pearls before swine: Yea, and stop calling it the World Cup. It's the Europe plus Argentina and Brazil Cup.

Two-hundred-and-three national teams competed to qualify for the 2010 World Cup. The European and South American teams happen to be the best, but that doesn't mean it's not a truly global tournament.
 
2010-07-21 05:14:19 PM
InMysteriousWays: pearls before swine: Yea, and stop calling it the World Cup. It's the Europe plus Argentina and Brazil Cup.

Before 2010, only 3 teams from Europe have won the cup. That's as many as South America.


England, Germany, France and Italy = Three countries?
 
2010-07-21 05:17:22 PM
InMysteriousWays: pearls before swine: Yea, and stop calling it the World Cup. It's the Europe plus Argentina and Brazil Cup.

Before 2010, only 3 teams from Europe have won the cup. That's as many as South America.


That's disingenuous, to say the least. There have been 19 world cups, won by 10 different countries, but only 3 of those countries weren't from Europe, and all of those were from South America.

Or, to put it another way, European teams have won 10 of 19 world cups, and South American teams have won 9 of 19. Asian, African, North American, and Oceanian teams have won 0. Hell, there's never even been a non-European, non-South American team in the final. Only two teams outside of that category have ever won 3rd place (and then only if you count Turkey as non-European). And Worst Korea's fourth in 2002 represents the only "outside" 4th as well.

In other words...of 76 teams that finished in the top 4 of all World Cups combined, a mere 3 were not from Europe or South America. A whopping 54 of those have been from Europe, and just 19 have been from South America.

To sum up: it's a European sport and a European cup, with a minority contribution from South America and virtually none from the rest of the world.
 
2010-07-21 05:37:04 PM
ciderczar: InMysteriousWays: pearls before swine: Yea, and stop calling it the World Cup. It's the Europe plus Argentina and Brazil Cup.

Before 2010, only 3 teams from Europe have won the cup. That's as many as South America.

England, Germany, France and Italy = Three countries?


Damn, you're right. I forgot England.
 
2010-07-21 05:48:02 PM
whistleridge: InMysteriousWays: pearls before swine: Yea, and stop calling it the World Cup. It's the Europe plus Argentina and Brazil Cup.

Before 2010, only 3 teams from Europe have won the cup. That's as many as South America.

That's disingenuous, to say the least. There have been 19 world cups, won by 10 different countries, but only 3 of those countries weren't from Europe, and all of those were from South America.

Or, to put it another way, European teams have won 10 of 19 world cups, and South American teams have won 9 of 19. Asian, African, North American, and Oceanian teams have won 0. Hell, there's never even been a non-European, non-South American team in the final. Only two teams outside of that category have ever won 3rd place (and then only if you count Turkey as non-European). And Worst Korea's fourth in 2002 represents the only "outside" 4th as well.

In other words...of 76 teams that finished in the top 4 of all World Cups combined, a mere 3 were not from Europe or South America. A whopping 54 of those have been from Europe, and just 19 have been from South America.

To sum up: it's a European sport and a European cup, with a minority contribution from South America and virtually none from the rest of the world.



You must suffer from the same counting syndrome I have. I was just defending my home continent. 3 out of 10 nations have won the whole thing. Whereas 5 out of ~450 European countries (approximately) have. I believe calling it a minority contribution is a bit unfair.
 
2010-07-21 05:59:20 PM
I'm pretty sure a team from Antarctica made it to at least the semis in Mexico 86.
 
2010-07-21 06:04:42 PM
This whole thing smacks of American anti-soccer conspiracy to avoid even fielding a US team.

/trolling a little too hard.
 
2010-07-21 06:10:18 PM
I miss the World Cup.
16 teams is a bad idea.
 
2010-07-21 06:16:09 PM
InMysteriousWays: whistleridge: InMysteriousWays: pearls before swine: Yea, and stop calling it the World Cup. It's the Europe plus Argentina and Brazil Cup.

Before 2010, only 3 teams from Europe have won the cup. That's as many as South America.

That's disingenuous, to say the least. There have been 19 world cups, won by 10 different countries, but only 3 of those countries weren't from Europe, and all of those were from South America.

Or, to put it another way, European teams have won 10 of 19 world cups, and South American teams have won 9 of 19. Asian, African, North American, and Oceanian teams have won 0. Hell, there's never even been a non-European, non-South American team in the final. Only two teams outside of that category have ever won 3rd place (and then only if you count Turkey as non-European). And Worst Korea's fourth in 2002 represents the only "outside" 4th as well.

In other words...of 76 teams that finished in the top 4 of all World Cups combined, a mere 3 were not from Europe or South America. A whopping 54 of those have been from Europe, and just 19 have been from South America.

To sum up: it's a European sport and a European cup, with a minority contribution from South America and virtually none from the rest of the world.


You must suffer from the same counting syndrome I have. I was just defending my home continent. 3 out of 10 nations have won the whole thing. Whereas 5 out of ~450 European countries (approximately) have. I believe calling it a minority contribution is a bit unfair.


19:76 vs 54:76 = a minority. Not a vanishing minority, a laughable minority, or a risable minority, but definitely a minority.

However, it IS fair to say that they have been disproportionately successful in the finals, given that have won nearly as many cups with far fewer chances.
 
2010-07-21 07:07:48 PM
whistleridge: InMysteriousWays: whistleridge: InMysteriousWays: pearls before swine: Yea, and stop calling it the World Cup. It's the Europe plus Argentina and Brazil Cup.

Before 2010, only 3 teams from Europe have won the cup. That's as many as South America.

That's disingenuous, to say the least. There have been 19 world cups, won by 10 different countries, but only 3 of those countries weren't from Europe, and all of those were from South America.

Or, to put it another way, European teams have won 10 of 19 world cups, and South American teams have won 9 of 19. Asian, African, North American, and Oceanian teams have won 0. Hell, there's never even been a non-European, non-South American team in the final. Only two teams outside of that category have ever won 3rd place (and then only if you count Turkey as non-European). And Worst Korea's fourth in 2002 represents the only "outside" 4th as well.

In other words...of 76 teams that finished in the top 4 of all World Cups combined, a mere 3 were not from Europe or South America. A whopping 54 of those have been from Europe, and just 19 have been from South America.

To sum up: it's a European sport and a European cup, with a minority contribution from South America and virtually none from the rest of the world.


You must suffer from the same counting syndrome I have. I was just defending my home continent. 3 out of 10 nations have won the whole thing. Whereas 5 out of ~450 European countries (approximately) have. I believe calling it a minority contribution is a bit unfair.

19:76 vs 54:76 = a minority. Not a vanishing minority, a laughable minority, or a risable minority, but definitely a minority.

However, it IS fair to say that they have been disproportionately successful in the finals, given that have won nearly as many cups with far fewer chances.


I don't think we're really in disagreement on anything. I just found all the pre tournament eurocentricism annoying as hell. It really shouldn't have come as a surprise that Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile all advanced. So yes, a minority is technically correct, but somewhat dismissive of South America's accomplishments.

Like, I said, we're not really in disagreement. What has become of Fark?
 
2010-07-21 07:25:56 PM
The Divine Ponytail: It is a ~200 country tournament - let the last 32 play for the title.

This.

Actually, I'd love to see the ESPNs of the world treat qualification as such.

"The preliminary rounds of the World Cup."

"The four year long, 200 team tournament."
 
2010-07-21 07:42:21 PM
macadamnut: Horseshiat. The round robin is the best part.

came here to say that
when will silly espn-infested nfl amaricans stop dicking with this sport?
and im happy because i have 4 more years of peace and quiet watching many more matches publicly without explaining this sport..... ahhhhh!
 
2010-07-21 07:43:47 PM
j68: The only thing wrong with the World Cup is how they limit how many teams from each continent qualify. Some damn good European teams were left out while teams like Best Korea made the cut.

i hear yeeeeee
russia had the best players, team and kit!
 
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