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(The Register)   RIAA plans big changes to sound cards, motherboards, hard drives, ISP`s, privacy laws, etc to stop piracy   ( divider line
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2001-10-08 03:16:02 PM  
Quite frankly, I think I could get by with my SB Live 5.1 (or any other current high quality) sound card for as long as PCI slots are put in PC's. Unless you are a musician,etc. you really don't need anything better.

Consequently, I would have no problem boycotting any manufacturer who adds this bullshiat to their cards. Of course my boycott would only be needed for the 48 hrs it would take a hacker to crack yet another anti-piracy technology.

Record companies will eventually go the way of my last bathroom deposit anyway.
2001-10-08 03:21:46 PM  
What the fark. These assholes need to realize you can't protect music anymore in this age. It's too easy to turn audio into whatever data format you want. So, you have a hard drive that seeks out and destroys mp3s? Oh no. I'll just record it in some other format with an abnormal file extension and have a reader/player so I can listen to it anyway.

Give the consumer what they want instead of trying to force the consumer to eat your shiat. People are going to get free music no matter what silly copy protection you put on PC technology.

This hopeless war on music piracy is just plain laughable. You can't stop music from being converted to any form of data that someone wants and you can't stop software from being made to read it. It's *just* *not* *possible*.

2001-10-08 03:32:31 PM  
First off, Hilary can lick my (o)(o) boobies. NOT.

Secondly... if a sizable ISP starts getting complaints on a regular basis to block this IP or that IP or this user or that, they will comply. But... when it gets to the point that the RIAA are tying up the resources of too many people to be police for them, the ISP is going to say "Fark You, RIAA... do your own damned police work."
2001-10-08 03:36:07 PM  
BTopenworld (adsl) has been recently throttling the transfer rates on ports used by P2P programs.

Has it begun?
2001-10-08 03:40:11 PM  
My favorite quote: "privacy laws are our biggest impediment to us obtaining our objectives".

damn privacy laws! always getting in the way of what America stands for!

Anyway, the really scary thing here is the SSSCA - it seems incredible that such a thing might go through (well hey, DMCA did), but if it does... well the stuff in this article won't really be relevant anymore.
2001-10-08 03:44:22 PM  
Not that any of this has anything to do with the millions(?) of songs already archived in MP3 format. We've already got all the good ones. Let them fuxor all the new stupid shiat released today.
2001-10-08 03:45:41 PM  
If they ever did force computer companies to implement such changes in hardware, all you would have to do is buy that sheot from another country and have it shipped to you. The American companies would be farked and go out of busines. Whenever money is envolved people listen;so, dont think harware companies would jeopadize their profits because people aren't buy as many cds as the RIAA and the reocrd companies want.
2001-10-08 03:45:54 PM  
I can't agree with you who say there is no good music out there... have you never heard of Bjork for example? Faithless? There have been lots of good CDs released recently, I just shop around and pay only $10-$12 each, a reasonable price for all the wonder that is Bjork...

However, most of my purchases (~ a dozen or so per week) are used CDs. I love used cd stores, hooray for the music others overlook!
2001-10-08 03:52:30 PM  
When you buy a used CD, are you paying for the media, the cover-art, the license to hear the music, or some/all of the above? What about the rights of the original owner, who has ripped a copy already? Does he retain his original right to the license to listen, although he has sold the media?
2001-10-08 03:54:04 PM  
I'm glad I live in a capitalist society and people will supply whatever I demand as long as there are enough people that demand it too. I just hope that others have the wisdom to make the right decisions when purchasing computer hardware.

It's really too bad that people don't have that wisdom. Hopefully the RIAA's actions will show people that "Big Brother" type things CAN happen and that true free market economy works as well as communism...

Socialism, the wave of the future.
2001-10-08 04:08:07 PM  
Time for a boycott.
The consumer needs to flex its muscle, and prove we really have the power.
2001-10-08 04:08:47 PM  
Yeah the RIAA definately smells, I went to Tower to look at DVD's and went over the the CD section for kicks, I was surprised to see that a CD cost almost, in some cases more than a DVD.
2001-10-08 04:11:22 PM  
What I wonder is:
1.Would hardware prices go up with this "protection" in place?It can't be cheap to implement it and have the hardware remain compatible...
2.For things like optical media and hard drives,assuming copy protection in these devices came back in another form,would there be a performance hit,considering that the drive would be constantly scanning for infringing files?
3.Also,for above mentioned copy protection,wouldn't the drives have to have drivers for specific OSes,if they wanted to scan for infringing files?Win2K and Linux obviously manage files differently,and the internal BIOS(which handles hardware calls to a drive)in a computer is not designed for file management...
4.One last thing to note:IBM was at the meeting.The last time IBM tried to force its will on the computer marketplace(to regain control of the industry,no less)with it's PS/2 line of computers,they failed miserably,since the internal Microchannel(MCA) slots were proprietary,and peripheral manufacturers saw no reason to release MCA versions of their ISA components.A lesson both IBM and the RIAA should learn from.Bastards.

And Hillary Rosen is a stupid shiat eating bulldyke who sucks dogs off.
2001-10-08 04:22:30 PM  
whatever copy protection they put in - it can be disabled by playing the music on one pc and recording it on another - if youve got a sb live 5.1 - you got optical outputs / no hum or noise... just cd quality copy... after its ripped once its loose on the file sharing networks and all those shiny cd's that cant be ripped are useless...

how stupid is the RIAA not to realize that all those millions of people currently sharing music now hate them. - the whole idea of a big music conglomerate needs to be re-written and a new way for artists to do buisness will be born.

down with big record companies 0- >Cap'n
2001-10-08 04:25:04 PM  
Lets send these fuuks over to Bin Laden, I'll actually be doing us a favor.
2001-10-08 04:29:02 PM  
shiat. i can play a cd in my drive, s/pdif/optical it out from my muto 828 to my tascam da40 and make a perfect digital copy.
major music can try, but it'll never work. besides there is soooo much good UG music out there in all genres.
hillary rosen can ass munch lars as much as she wants, but once it hits the streets, it's free...........
2001-10-08 04:43:55 PM  
all thats gonna happen is that mp3s are gonna die... someone is gonna make a new format called mp4s... then everyone will spend all their time complaining that there already is mp4s... it will be a big mess
2001-10-08 04:45:09 PM  
actually hacking hardware is just like hacking software.Have you ever heard of Hardware locks or Dongles? I have yet to see a piece of software that has used these hardware type locks not get cracked. including such big names as MAYA or Autocad. Thier heads are stuck so far up thier collective asses that they cant see that it is they that will have to change to make it in the new economy not the consumer. We make the rules!!
2001-10-08 04:55:14 PM  
Sony will fight this till the end, Along with tons of other companys that sell recorders and such.

By the way Sony is olny useing the encodeing on SINGLES, there regular cds will stay the same. GO SONY! (even though they are doing it to make more money)

Haha im glad i bought 1000 high quality Casetes, (cd quality audio) cost me 500 bucks (would have been 3000 if it were 5 years ago) All i gotta do is buy the cd on my credit card, record it useing a 400 doller (value before cds was 2000) recorder, and return the defective cd :). then bingo Pirated high quality music. BUY THEM WHILE YOU CAN all the companys are ditching the cassetes any that you see now are probly the last to be manufactured!
2001-10-08 05:14:33 PM  
Bubbajam : The new format is Ogg Vorbis. Totally free and uncontrolled.
2001-10-08 05:18:43 PM  
Hell-Bent- you are a little whacky. Cassettes? My lord, you've spent too much time on the Bin Laden photoshop page and caught a few second hand fumes from the bongz.

As many have pointed out, this could (I won't say will because I don't think it'll fly) happen, but it will be *so* underwhelming. My prediction:

(a) Hardware manufacturers will make maybe one or two models that support this crap (just to appease the RIAA).
(b) There will be a decent supply of "professional" model hardware kits (sound cards, etc.) for radio stations, studios and what-not that are exempt. They'll be more and more "mainstream" -- Evidence of this: in 1990, you could buy a "professional" dat tape recorder with no SCMS stuff on it, yet the "home" models had the SCMS in it.
(c) As others have said, keep your existing hardware. It works pretty well, and will continue to for years to come.
(d) long live vinyl!
2001-10-08 05:20:04 PM  
The only thing that matters is this. Music is sound, analog sound. If you can listen to a song, you can record it by using your line-in jack. And all it takes is one person to make the mp3 and then everyone can have it on the internet. There is no way around it that will work.

But it sure is funny to watch these idoiots try...

Eat Snacky S`mores.
2001-10-08 05:26:06 PM  
Actually the cassettes are pretty cool, a bit heavy(they have alot of metal components) but the quality is really nice. these are the kind the radio stations used before cds killed them. Still waiting for some to come though the last of em were being heald in a warehouse near the WTC before the attack so it got delayed by a month or so. the ups guy's think im crazy... too many huge boxes of heavy crap comeing to my house haha :)

and ive been drunk all day. i got the guy liveing under the bridge near my house to buy me a 18 pack of budwiser :)
2001-10-08 05:40:24 PM  
Why dont they just slice our farkin ears off, and then sell them to us. Make them only compatible to their software and hardware, of course. Then they'll get exactly what they want. Bastards.
2001-10-08 05:44:00 PM  
I'll build my own farking A/D converter and write my own software if I have to.
2001-10-08 05:50:31 PM  
There was a time when music wasn't recorded. Artists used to play for the money they would make playing to an audience. At some point someone got the idea that they could record the music onto a medium. Furthermore that they could make money by selling that medium to other people. The artists wouldn't get a large cut because they were always doing what they would, making money playing for an audience.
Today it's much the same. The artists do not make the money from the sales, they make the money from the live audience. The recording industry makes the bulk of money from CD sales. It's disgusting that the leeches from the recording industry have gotten to the point where they have so much money that they can even begin to limit access to the recording artists. Even worse to drive an entire industry (computing) to sacrifice capability for their financial gain.
A better plan may be to bankrupt the recording industry by downloading all the music you listen to and not buy another CD. Let the technology take it's course. Do not try and force the computing industry to limit itself for the gain of an industry that is trying to protect it's leachourous practices.
2001-10-08 05:53:58 PM  
Yeah really. They could just put a monthly charge on the ability to hear. Failure to pay the bill would result in deafness.
Of course, then there would be a spew of commercials on Fox going "hearing been disconnected? 1-2-3 EZconnect can get you back in sound within 5 days for only 14.99!"
2001-10-08 05:55:44 PM  
If osama were to take out these RIAA farks I could forgive him for sept 11.
2001-10-08 05:59:59 PM  
i always buy music that i download ( if i like it)

sure there are some freeloaders, but ruin it for all? i know i have definitly bought more music thatnks to napster and others.

i have my entire music collection mp3'ed. i dont share either.
2001-10-08 06:03:19 PM  
man, i read that article after a farking bad day. I am one step away from not buying another cd.
farking greedy bunch of farking farks.
if i can't get it online, well, i think i'll live.
peace farking out
2001-10-08 06:07:01 PM  
no no no! keep buying cds, just don't support the major labels by buying their papum, instead of buying that crap, buy it's independent equivalent.

There are plenty of great sites out there like that can get you started in the right direction for suggestions.
2001-10-08 06:17:34 PM  
Pandora's box has been opened. Now that people have a taste for free music they will not easily surrender it. The more computer savvy individuals will find holes in the protections on the hardware or in the software. The rest will find other ways to get cheap, free music. Hell, if it means starting up CD swapping/sharing clubs, people will do it.

It is not the hardware and software the record labels should be worrying about, but the attitudes of the consumers. People are not going to quietly let this go.
2001-10-08 06:23:17 PM  
I guess this just goes to show you that no right or freedome is safe from corporations. Multinational corporations will be the biggest threat to our freedoms in the comming years. They will not be satisfied until every person on the face of the earth is forced to live their life in such a way as to maximize their profits.
2001-10-08 06:29:23 PM  
No matter what wizardry is going on inside your machine to verify music and whatnot, it's eventually got to go out of a soundcard and can be swiped from there. Even tho it's now an analog signal, the human ear can't tell the difference since thats all u hear anyway.
2001-10-08 06:31:39 PM  
Exactly Rebbic, I think its all going to hell when windows XP comes out. microsoft is forcing almost everyone to devlop for there newest operating systems leaving us high and dry if we like 98 or whatever. The next intel processers are XP olny. Software devlopers are devloping for Xp or microsoft will buy them out and force them. Pre built compers will come with xp or microsoft will quit selling the companys software (dell, gateway, etc..)

Hopefully we will get our shot at revenge and destroy the microcock empire and every one like it :)
2001-10-08 06:44:16 PM  
Grub - I agree! I've been thinking that for a while...I mean, I have a USB --> Analog/Optical thingy. Why shouldn't I just rip the stream from there? Compression is lossy anyway...hardly anyone would be able to distinguish that it's not digitally extracted from the CD. I'd be willing to forego the occasional artifact and somewhat constrained (~30hz to ~20khz) sonic range if necessary. Wouldn't you? It may not even be THAT bad...
2001-10-08 06:57:26 PM  
Hmm...CD sharing/swapping clubs...I have like 6-8 gigs of mp3's,like 20-40 gigs of anime,and a lot of other media files,plus gamez and appz.

Here comes the highsteppa if it ever comes to sharing/swapping in person...
2001-10-08 06:57:50 PM  
Can't forget porn...

2001-10-08 07:11:18 PM  
I'm with you,brother. RIAA-how dare you try to circumvent my access to legal hardware because your product might get lifted. If this comes to pass, look out. Any industry with the cake can strongarm their way into profits. Then again, microsoft has been doing it for a while.
2001-10-08 09:21:40 PM  
sooner or later the RIAA will have to realise that they can't keep treating their comsumers as The Enemy. this shiat makes me sick, it should be interesting to see which artists come down in favour of these measures. we'll soon see who are the real artists and who, to paraphrase St Bill Hicks, are sucking satan's cock.
2001-10-08 09:39:42 PM  
I told you guys this was going to happen a few months back.... Watch my next prediction of them trying to ban the internet to protect "their" music come true.

CD sales didn't drop with the advent of file swapping programs. They didn't grow either (or that much). Now the sales are hurting because people are finally starting to see what you stand for.

The RIAA is scared, folks. They know the internet can and will destroy them since the artists will have a way to distribute their music for virtually no cost, and keep ALL the money that music makes, if swapping programs eventually are pay2use.

Quick poll: who would pay for songs on an individual basis if they were *gasp* CHEAP, high quality, and non restrictive (i.e., you can play it an unlimited number of times, can transfer it to mp3 players more than 3 times, etc.)? Cheap isn't really 3 bucks a song, since you'd still end of paying the same price for a CD, and that's why the RIAA's online music sector is going to fail (more restrictive than cds, and the same price... what would you choose).

The DMCA is one of the worst bills to be put into effect, recently. For those that don't know, it basically means all those crappy 80's movies about a future where the giant corps rule the world, and have their own police, is an ancurate picture of where we are headed. The whole copyright thing has gone way too far. Did you hear about those researchers that copyrighted over 1 billion phone numbers (that you and I may use, as they were randomly generated by computers)? They now have the legal right to charge you when you dial that number, since they own the copyright. Of course they aren't charging, as they wanted to demonstrate how stupid this whole copyrighting of everything and anything is getting. Must I bring up the copyright attempt from the guy that tried to copyright transfering data on the internet?
2001-10-08 09:47:35 PM  
There is always a way round the RIAA!!!!

First Napster then we had about 30 other programs.

I doesn't matter!!!!!
2001-10-08 09:59:35 PM  
Since the recording industry is 'loosing' so much money because of pirating.. maybe they should just ask the gov't to bail em out.. hell it worked for the savings and loans, and more recently, the airline industry.
2001-10-08 10:32:05 PM  
We should still stop this, and kill this before it starts more crap. I for one, WILL NOT, have any copyright protection embedded into MY hardware. We must stop this before it gets any worse!!! SSSCA is another thing, do you really want the government putting their software into YOUR PRIVATE computer? That really scares me!! If that passes they could do whatever they want to your computer, see exactly what you do, and be ready to prosecute you just for listening to some MP3 that maybe a friend sent you over the internet? Think of, $500,000 fine, and 5 years of prison. Just for listening to music. That sounds just like what the Taliban is doing to their people as we speak. Having a TV could land you in jail, or worse.

It just seems so interesting to see us fighting overseas for the freedoms that big buisiness wants to take away from us.
2001-10-08 10:43:12 PM  
...and in related news, all new keyboards will come without f, u, c, k, r, i, and a keys
2001-10-08 11:08:31 PM  
I wonder if one could copy right the letters RIAA?
2001-10-08 11:12:06 PM  
Probably already done.
2001-10-08 11:36:20 PM  
You know, I've been told many times that the Register isn't as good of a newssource as one would think. Lets hope it's true in this instance. I honestly think, though, that this wouldn't sit well in front of the Supreme Court for a mere second.
2001-10-09 12:02:43 AM  
Glad for the FARK admin for highlighting this truly despicable proposed lesislation brought to you by the happiest legal department on Earth (Walt Disney + Co). Did any of you notice the senator sponsors are from Alaska and South Carolina. When was the last time any entertainment content or anything related to technology came from AK or SC?
The DMCA was snuck in to copyright law with a lot of fat contributions from the RIAA, MPAA and SILA. Since then it has caused a singularly remarkable outcry and demand for public attention for copyright law. The war over the SSSCA is just warming up. If the American people are too stupid and apathetic to fight this law, than they deserve it.
2001-10-09 12:19:06 AM  
Ya'll gotta remember that, legally, under the DCMA, and the possible new law, the SSSCA, that reverse engineering would be illegal. Felony? I dont remember, but still... After SSSCA gets put into law, we're all farked. think about it. everything digital would have to have copy protection. and that means bye bye linux. These people have their heads so up their arse, that it isn't funny.

and you know what? Fair use? That'll dissappear faster than this legislation crap came into play? Why? $$$$$$. They can buy out anyone. Its sad to say, but sometimes, i feel like i'm in a dictatorship, now more than ever... why? because, anyone with a big pocketbook can make laws. and see to get them passed. Yes, it's a free country. Yes, these people worked "hard" to get their money. but they don't have any more farking say than me about what laws should be put into place. Lobbyists should be banned. Take away the lobbyists, and then you realize that the government cant be bought out then. Ban the lobbyists, allow companys to submit proposals to make new laws. and that's it. propose it, and they will decide if it's valid. Unfortunatly, being in GOV means you've got money. It's sad. it really is.
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