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2010-07-20 11:35:39 AM
And that's the way it should be IMO.
 
2010-07-20 11:35:45 AM
Is there a special on green lights today?
 
2010-07-20 11:37:17 AM
Can someone tell me if SC is like that? Might explain Alvin Greene.
 
2010-07-20 11:37:20 AM
Wait, what the hell? The logic in TFA resembles that of a small child on crack and meth drinking Pepsi SUPERSUGARtm while trying to play with a ping pong ball.

FTFA: "Henry's article suggests that since Democrat Roy Barnes seems to be a shoo-in for his party's nomination, Democrats should cross over and vote for Oxendine, who theoretically would be easier for Barnes to beat in November."

Or a politician.
 
2010-07-20 11:37:24 AM
politics is a game. hardball.
 
2010-07-20 11:37:28 AM
When voting is supposed to be quite a confidential affair, I find it interesting that a person's party registration is often a matter of public knowledge. I just don't get it.
 
2010-07-20 11:37:33 AM
Don't see a problem with this.

As long as you're voting, you have the right to vote for whoever in the hell you want. Why should I not be able to help decide both sides of the November vote...as a Republican I should have been able to help make sure that Hillary wasn't on the ballot. Primaries are BS.
 
2010-07-20 11:37:52 AM
Approves...

www.cbsnews.com
 
2010-07-20 11:37:54 AM
WTF. Why do I get a mayo commercial on a mouse-over? Fark the internet
 
2010-07-20 11:38:46 AM
Hasn't it already been proven that this mythical behavior has a negligible effect, if any on the outcome of elections? I mean remember Rush Limbaugh and "Operation Chaos?" In that case you had a demagogue with literally millions of followers attempting to use the open primary system in certain states to get Hillary Clinton elected? How well did that work out?

My state has open primaries, it's the way it should be, IMHO.
 
2010-07-20 11:39:17 AM
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened in SC to make Alvin Greene the official Dem candidate. Unless somehow everyone who voted in that primary just had a huge crush on the guy who sang "let's stay together".
 
2010-07-20 11:39:39 AM
www.awesomemustache.com
 
2010-07-20 11:39:50 AM
Yeah, that's how we got rid of Cynthia McKinney. All of the Republicans just voted for her opponent in the primary since there's no way a Republican can win in this district.

I'm planning on voting for that tea bagger lady that's running for governor. I can't remember her name, but she's a Palin-American and is strongly opposed to Fartbongo's plan to gay marry us to turtles in FEMA camps by death panels. I agree.
 
2010-07-20 11:40:23 AM
I don't know.

You should be able to vote for whoever you want to, but to screw around with elections like that?

Man, I don't know.

/wow, this post sure helps the discussion
 
2010-07-20 11:40:27 AM
THX 1138: When voting is supposed to be quite a confidential affair, I find it interesting that a person's party registration is often a matter of public knowledge. I just don't get it.

State of Washington has a web site that you can see who you've voted for from the last like 10 years. It's a public website, if you know somebody's SSN you can see their entire voting history.
 
2010-07-20 11:41:27 AM
Well I, for one, am against this. When you outlaw party registration - only outlaws will have parties.Outlaw parties. Outlaw parties! Hey, that sounds like a lot of fun. The original meaning of the word Tory (as in Tory party) was Irish outlaw. That was because their original party platform was to reinstate a Catholic King to the throne of England, but they seem to have abandoned that bit. I had a point when I started this rant, but I seem to have lost it a bit. Whatever, I'm against this "just 'cause -- just 'cause we're outlaws, Yeah". Green Day. Green Party. Coincidence?

/Outlaw.
 
2010-07-20 11:42:01 AM
I don't think Missouri required a party affiliation when I registered about 14 years ago. I always thought it was retarded for someone to be forced to choose between 2 parties when there are more than that out there (they did when I lived in Arkansas, depending on the county you registered in).
 
2010-07-20 11:42:06 AM
I wasn't going to vote but then I heard the interviews on NPR with the candidates. All I know is that if Karen Handle wins the Republican primary I will be casting a vote against that crazy biatch come november.
 
2010-07-20 11:42:16 AM
Grass Hopper: Well I, for one, am against this. When you outlaw party registration - only outlaws will have parties.Outlaw parties. Outlaw parties! Hey, that sounds like a lot of fun. The original meaning of the word Tory (as in Tory party) was Irish outlaw. That was because their original party platform was to reinstate a Catholic King to the throne of England, but they seem to have abandoned that bit. I had a point when I started this rant, but I seem to have lost it a bit. Whatever, I'm against this "just 'cause -- just 'cause we're outlaws, Yeah". Green Day. Green Party. Coincidence?

/Outlaw.


Maverick? Ma ma, ver verick!

/feels like a farking pokemon
 
2010-07-20 11:43:12 AM
BrynnMacFlynn: Wait, what the hell? The logic in TFA resembles that of a small child on crack and meth drinking Pepsi SUPERSUGARtm while trying to play with a ping pong ball.

FTFA: "Henry's article suggests that since Democrat Roy Barnes seems to be a shoo-in for his party's nomination, Democrats should cross over and vote for Oxendine, who theoretically would be easier for Barnes to beat in November."

Or a politician.


This is a game the Bushiates used to play. Register as Democrat and vote for the guy you think Bush can beat. Nice to know that honour is dead in both parties...
 
2010-07-20 11:43:44 AM
Inibrius: Don't see a problem with this.

As long as you're voting, you have the right to vote for whoever in the hell you want. Why should I not be able to help decide both sides of the November vote...as a Republican I should have been able to help make sure that Hillary wasn't on the ballot. Primaries are BS.


i agree with that last bit, but in a different way. I think we should just run em all in the general election. it would also reduce mudslinging; with that many opponents no one has enough mud to win that fight or enough money to sling it even if they do.
 
2010-07-20 11:44:25 AM
Inibrius: THX 1138: When voting is supposed to be quite a confidential affair, I find it interesting that a person's party registration is often a matter of public knowledge. I just don't get it.

State of Washington has a web site that you can see who you've voted for from the last like 10 years. It's a public website, if you know somebody's SSN you can see their entire voting history.


That sounds impossible. So the state records your Social when they record your vote? How can this be?

I just show a little old lady my voter id which only has my name, address, county of residence and party affiliation (none). Nobody has any idea what I do with my ballot.
 
2010-07-20 11:44:44 AM
Grass Hopper: Nice to know that honour is dead in both parties...

DEATH BEFORE HONOR!

saw that on a tattoo one time
 
2010-07-20 11:45:09 AM
The only reason I registered Democrat was so I could vote for Obama in the Oregon Primary, and hopefully offset some Republican listening to Rush's call to Chaos.

//Voting Khorne next presidential primary. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD in 2012!
 
2010-07-20 11:45:56 AM
shiat and I thought I was being clever when I voted for Ron Paul in the republican presidential primary.
 
2010-07-20 11:46:03 AM
Greil: Inibrius: Don't see a problem with this.

As long as you're voting, you have the right to vote for whoever in the hell you want. Why should I not be able to help decide both sides of the November vote...as a Republican I should have been able to help make sure that Hillary wasn't on the ballot. Primaries are BS.

i agree with that last bit, but in a different way. I think we should just run em all in the general election. it would also reduce mudslinging; with that many opponents no one has enough mud to win that fight or enough money to sling it even if they do.


Yeah, but then we'll end up getting an Austrian action star for governator.
 
2010-07-20 11:46:45 AM
cfletch13: Can someone tell me if SC is like that? Might explain Alvin Greene.

It is, but even if the primary were closed the situation wouldn't be impossible. Just register to vote under the opposing party; it's not like Jim deMint is getting primaried.
 
2010-07-20 11:47:04 AM
colon_pow: Grass Hopper: Nice to know that honour is dead in both parties...

DEATH BEFORE HONOR!

saw that on a tattoo one time


That is either a very bad tattoo typo, or an exceedingly advanced, almost zen-like philosophical statement.
 
2010-07-20 11:47:10 AM
FTA: It's sort of like playing in a baseball game that's postponed by a rainout. You can't switch to the other team if that same game is continued later.
====================================

Not by choice, but if you get traded and it happens to be that team, you could in theory play for the other team after it's been postponed.

Very rarely (usually 1 time a year) does it happen where it's postponed and played months later.
 
2010-07-20 11:47:16 AM
I believe we should keep the two concepts of party affiliation and voting rights separate.
 
2010-07-20 11:47:26 AM
Greil: i agree with that last bit, but in a different way. I think we should just run em all in the general election. it would also reduce mudslinging; with that many opponents no one has enough mud to win that fight or enough money to sling it even if they do.

If we are going to do that, at the same time get rid of winner take all, make it IRV until someone gets 51%.
 
2010-07-20 11:47:26 AM
Outlaw political parties; problem fixes itself, and many others are addressed simultaneously.
 
2010-07-20 11:47:26 AM
The Oxendine article referenced in TFA is effing hilarious btw

Linky Linky
 
2010-07-20 11:47:40 AM
This is why we should abandon the primary system, IMHO, and instead have all of the candidates on the main vote. Combine it with a preferential voting system, and you have something that might not suck.

The only issue I might see is that you might end up with a few hundred candidates like during the California governor recall, but I suspect that would be more the exception than the rule.
 
2010-07-20 11:47:46 AM
Grass Hopper: BrynnMacFlynn: Wait, what the hell? The logic in TFA resembles that of a small child on crack and meth drinking Pepsi SUPERSUGARtm while trying to play with a ping pong ball.

FTFA: "Henry's article suggests that since Democrat Roy Barnes seems to be a shoo-in for his party's nomination, Democrats should cross over and vote for Oxendine, who theoretically would be easier for Barnes to beat in November."

Or a politician.

This is a game the Bushiates used to play. Register as Democrat and vote for the guy you think Bush can beat. Nice to know that honour is dead in both parties...


Honor can't be dead because it was never alive.

Unless of course, honor is a zombie.
 
2010-07-20 11:47:53 AM
Inibrius: THX 1138: When voting is supposed to be quite a confidential affair, I find it interesting that a person's party registration is often a matter of public knowledge. I just don't get it.

State of Washington has a web site that you can see who you've voted for from the last like 10 years. It's a public website, if you know somebody's SSN you can see their entire voting history.


And surely employers or potential employers would never use something like that...
 
2010-07-20 11:48:11 AM
monkybunney: shiat and I thought I was being clever when I voted for Ron Paul in the republican presidential primary.

Pretty sure EVERYONE who voted for Ron Paul thought they were being clever. Thought.
 
2010-07-20 11:48:28 AM
Rapmaster2000: Yeah, that's how we got rid of Cynthia McKinney. All of the Republicans just voted for her opponent in the primary since there's no way a Republican can win in this district.

I'm planning on voting for that tea bagger lady that's running for governor. I can't remember her name, but she's a Palin-American and is strongly opposed to Fartbongo's plan to gay marry us to turtles in FEMA camps by death panels. I agree.


You think you can vote for someone crazier than Oxendine? Really?
 
2010-07-20 11:48:46 AM
I am trying to figure out a way to make my posts look longer than they actually are.

One of my friends suggested that I make each sentence its own paragraph.

Some of the sentences will be quite short.

Some will be shorter.

Even if the sentences are so closely related that they should be separated by a colon or a semicolon rather than a period, they will instead be separated by paragraph breaks.

Simple indentation would look bizarre with one sentence per paragraph, so I will separate paragraphs my blank lines instead.
 
2010-07-20 11:48:48 AM
Inibrius: State of Washington has a web site that you can see who you've voted for from the last like 10 years. It's a public website, if you know somebody's SSN you can see their entire voting history.

Wait, I can understand them having a record of whether or not you voted, based on the fact that you showed up and were cleared to cast a ballot (voter registration card or whatever they accepted), but to actually have monitored, recorded, and tracked who you voted for? They do that?
 
2010-07-20 11:50:00 AM
If we get John Oxendine as Governor, at least he'll have a driver so he won't wreck as many state owned cars.

Part of the problem is that a lot of districts are either Democratic or Republican. For instance, I'm in Phil Gingrey's district (Tom Price is in the same position). They are both running unopposed on the Republican ticket, and they have no opposition on the Democratic ticket (so much for kicking the incumbents out). If you want to vote for the Cobb County commissioner, you have to vote Republican because there are no Democrats running.
 
2010-07-20 11:50:37 AM
Speedbts alt: Inibrius: THX 1138: When voting is supposed to be quite a confidential affair, I find it interesting that a person's party registration is often a matter of public knowledge. I just don't get it.

State of Washington has a web site that you can see who you've voted for from the last like 10 years. It's a public website, if you know somebody's SSN you can see their entire voting history.

That sounds impossible. So the state records your Social when they record your vote? How can this be?

I just show a little old lady my voter id which only has my name, address, county of residence and party affiliation (none). Nobody has any idea what I do with my ballot.


Voting records are public everywhere...How else could we check for fraud? And your registered party affiliation is also public.

Who you voted for, however, is seeecret.
 
2010-07-20 11:50:54 AM
Satanicpuppy: Rapmaster2000: Yeah, that's how we got rid of Cynthia McKinney. All of the Republicans just voted for her opponent in the primary since there's no way a Republican can win in this district.

I'm planning on voting for that tea bagger lady that's running for governor. I can't remember her name, but she's a Palin-American and is strongly opposed to Fartbongo's plan to gay marry us to turtles in FEMA camps by death panels. I agree.

You think you can vote for someone crazier than Oxendine? Really?


I can't vote for someone more corrupt than Oxendine, but I can find someone crazier. These are Georgia Republicans we're talking about. If you want to get the Habersham County vote, you've got to take it to 11.
 
2010-07-20 11:53:16 AM
cfletch13: Can someone tell me if SC is like that? Might explain Alvin Greene.

Yep, SC is open primary.
 
2010-07-20 11:53:42 AM
Dinjiin: This is why we should abandon the primary system, IMHO, and instead have all of the candidates on the main vote. Combine it with a preferential voting system, and you have something that might not suck.

The only issue I might see is that you might end up with a few hundred candidates like during the California governor recall, but I suspect that would be more the exception than the rule.


what with the write in option i'm fairly sure we already do get that many candidates. micky mouse makes a great showing every year considering his lack of existence, for instance.
 
2010-07-20 11:53:54 AM
Uhhh, this is news?

I also know people who register under the other party so they can vote in their primaries in some states. Maybe they can do a followup. Could win them the Pulitzer.
 
2010-07-20 11:54:54 AM
meat0918: //Voting Khorne next presidential primary. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD in 2012!

Meh. R'lyeh Party is where it's at. Vote Cthulhu in 2012! True believers get eaten first!
 
2010-07-20 11:54:56 AM
We're talking about getting rid of declaring your party registration in Illinois; now, you have to declare what party you want for the primary, you get the ballot and vote normally. Problem is, that means your political patron (if you have a patronage job) can keep track of your party preference. The new system would have you getting Democratic, Republican and Green ballots (as well as the player character sheet for whichever Libertarian managed to get on the ballot) and you fill out one of them in the secrecy of the voting booth so no one knows which one you filled out.
 
2010-07-20 11:55:21 AM
Greil: Inibrius: Don't see a problem with this.

As long as you're voting, you have the right to vote for whoever in the hell you want. Why should I not be able to help decide both sides of the November vote...as a Republican I should have been able to help make sure that Hillary wasn't on the ballot. Primaries are BS.

i agree with that last bit, but in a different way. I think we should just run em all in the general election. it would also reduce mudslinging; with that many opponents no one has enough mud to win that fight or enough money to sling it even if they do.


The problem with that is you can run into a problem where it is possible there are many popular candidates that split the vote. You could end up having someone winning with only a small percentage of people actually voting for that person. So while technically winning because they got the most votes, it seems a bit disingenuous to have someone win with only 25% of the vote.
 
2010-07-20 11:56:00 AM
Grass Hopper: colon_pow: Grass Hopper: Nice to know that honour is dead in both parties...

DEATH BEFORE HONOR!

saw that on a tattoo one time

That is either a very bad tattoo typo, or an exceedingly advanced, almost zen-like philosophical statement.


it was in the joint. also saw

born to louse - my personal favorite, and

weekend worrier
 
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