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(ESPN)   Prince Fielder could be on the move by the trade deadline and the best way to fark with the Baseball Gods is trading him to Texas   (espn.go.com) divider line 70
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2010-07-20 06:14:05 AM
Who would the Brewers get in return for Fielder from the Rangers?

I don't see him going to the Yankees. They don't need someone to clog up the DH spot (they need to give quasi-days off to their aging players), and they already have Tex at first. Plus, the Yankees really need a middle of the rotation guy/long relief/bullpen help for the stretch, especially with Pettite out for a month and Burnett off his game, and no solid bridge to Mo.
 
2010-07-20 10:34:21 AM
RodneyToady: Who would the Brewers get in return for Fielder from the Rangers?

That is the key question. It sure as hell won't be money, and Texas has gotten very tight about dealing prospects. They already traded away a few for Lee. I don't see them doing this deal.
 
2010-07-20 02:31:48 PM
Who wants to bet the Red Sox will jump in if the Padres won't give up Gonzo? Mo Vaughn II
 
2010-07-20 02:38:25 PM
RodneyToady: Who would the Brewers get in return for Fielder from the Rangers?

The Brewers want pitching. The Rangers have two pitchers on Baseball America's list of top-25 prospects: Martin Perez, LHP, #8 and Tanner Scheppers, RHP, #25. Note that that list includes all positions, not just pitchers.

Figure those two, Rich Harden & Scott Feldman (to semi-equalize salary), and then another lower level prospect to make up for those two.

It's a lot, and they'd probably be stupid to do it, but it's certainly a possibility.
 
2010-07-20 02:42:49 PM
The Rangers have already made a mid-season fatass acquisition in Bengie Molina.
 
2010-07-20 02:45:16 PM
As a Rangers fan, the thought of adding Fielder to an already sick lineup makes my baseball pants go crazy. Vlad, Josh, Prince, and Nellie in the same lineup?!? Yes, please!!

With players like Elvis, Neftali, and Nellie up for contract next year (all making about $400k this year) and Cliff Lee certainly not resigning here, I for one say trade the prospects because this is our one chance!
 
2010-07-20 02:49:52 PM
The Rangers are not looking at Prince Fielder right now. They are looking for another lefty for the bullpen and a right handed bat to platoon with Chris Davis.

If they give up on Davis that quickly though, they might look his way. However, the Brewers won't get Perez/Scheppers out of it. Plus, the amount of salary that the Brewers would be required to take on, I just don't think the Rangers have the available prospects anymore to make another big deal like that.
 
2010-07-20 02:51:14 PM
He'd look real good in a White Sox uniform.

At least a hell of a lot better than Adam Dunn would.
 
2010-07-20 02:53:38 PM
It would be a shame to see Prince go, but the writing has been on the wall for a few years. When they gave Braun a 6-year extension and Fielder just 2 years (I think, maybe it was 3), you knew that if they didn't make a few playoff runs that he'd be gone. Plus now that the cupboard is bare when it comes to pitching prospects, the Brewers almost have to move him.
 
2010-07-20 02:55:17 PM
I always wondered what it would be like to see Elvis and Prince perform together.
 
2010-07-20 02:56:08 PM
milad32: As a Rangers fan, the thought of adding Fielder to an already sick lineup makes my baseball pants go crazy. Vlad, Josh, Prince, and Nellie in the same lineup?!? Yes, please!! With players like Elvis, Neftali, and Nellie up for contract next year (all making about $400k this year) and Cliff Lee certainly not resigning here, I for one say trade the prospects because this is our one chance!

To clarify, I'd be thrilled if we get Prince, at the right price. We really need to keep Scheppers, Perez, & Holland. I'm curious as to why you think we won't resign Elvis, Neftali, & Cruz though.
 
2010-07-20 02:57:05 PM
Minarets:
If they give up on Davis that quickly though, they might look his way.


They already gave up on Davis. The only reason he was called back up was because they had to give up Smoak to get Cliff Lee. Davis was 0-7 yesterday and the only starter not to get on base in a 14 inning game. Trust me, they are looking for a replacement...
 
2010-07-20 03:03:18 PM
I doubt a deal with Texas will happen. Both teams really need the same thing, solid pitching, and a lefty if they can get it. Melvin got burned too badly on the Suppan debacle to go with a known arm, he's looking for fresh talent. Personally, I'd hate to see Fielder leave, if they got pitching straightened out, they could make a serious run in 2011 before he goes FA, but he's also the biggest bargaining chip they hold & will be expensive to keep after arbitration.
 
2010-07-20 03:05:41 PM
Minarets: To clarify, I'd be thrilled if we get Prince, at the right price. We really need to keep Scheppers, Perez, & Holland. I'm curious as to why you think we won't resign Elvis, Neftali, & Cruz though.

I agree with you on keeping Scheppers, Perez, and Holland, but you have to give something up to get something. I just think this is the perfect storm, this is the year to make the push.

I'm not saying we won't resign them for sure, but that is 3 all-stars making $400k this year who will be looking to get paid next year. Can we afford to keep them all? What about Vlad and Josh? Do we want to keep them too? It would be amazing to sign all those guys to long-term deals, but the fact of the matter is we probably can't afford to pay them all what they deserve.

Unless, of course, if Mark Cuban joins in on the Greenberg/Nolan Ryan Party ;)
 
2010-07-20 03:12:46 PM
The guy I feel worst for is Braun. He's already having an off year (by his standards). Losing Fielder won't help anything.

Except for his commercial^ with Marissa Miller. That was awesome.

/I'd do anything to be within 500 feet of her
 
2010-07-20 03:18:50 PM
The Rangers better upgrade their field's drainage system. With Fielder playing his home games outdoors in Texas, he's going to lose approximately 50 gallons of sweat for every game he plays.
 
2010-07-20 03:20:40 PM
milad32: Minarets: To clarify, I'd be thrilled if we get Prince, at the right price. We really need to keep Scheppers, Perez, & Holland. I'm curious as to why you think we won't resign Elvis, Neftali, & Cruz though.

I agree with you on keeping Scheppers, Perez, and Holland, but you have to give something up to get something. I just think this is the perfect storm, this is the year to make the push.

I'm not saying we won't resign them for sure, but that is 3 all-stars making $400k this year who will be looking to get paid next year. Can we afford to keep them all? What about Vlad and Josh? Do we want to keep them too? It would be amazing to sign all those guys to long-term deals, but the fact of the matter is we probably can't afford to pay them all what they deserve.

Unless, of course, if Mark Cuban joins in on the Greenberg/Nolan Ryan Party ;)


I'm banking on the ownership situation getting squared away over the winter *crosses fingers*
 
2010-07-20 03:32:56 PM
By the looks of him, I think this may be the first time Prince will be on the move in quite some time, amirite?
 
2010-07-20 03:43:11 PM
homarjr: The guy I feel worst for is Braun. He's already having an off year (by his standards). Losing Fielder won't help anything.

He made the All-Star starting lineup and got signed to a healthy long-term deal. Sure he's not having his best year, but all in all, he doesn't have much to complain about. The farm system has produced some solid hitting for several years now and still has good prospects in the pipeline, they can afford to give up Hart or Fielder for a good arm.
 
2010-07-20 03:50:57 PM
Shrugging Atlas: By the looks of him, I think this may be the first time Prince will be on the move in quite some time, amirite?

He has to start now to get to the ballpark by opening day.
 
2010-07-20 03:52:33 PM
Looks like mods pulled down both Jennie Finch articles for being duplicates of one another....awesome!
 
2010-07-20 03:57:37 PM
milad32: Minarets:
If they give up on Davis that quickly though, they might look his way.

They already gave up on Davis. The only reason he was called back up was because they had to give up Smoak to get Cliff Lee. Davis was 0-7 yesterday and the only starter not to get on base in a 14 inning game. Trust me, they are looking for a replacement...


He was embarrassingly bad, no doubt.

I doubt this deal happens, though. The bankruptcy is getting messier by the day and the Rangers have already moved some big prospects out.
 
2010-07-20 04:03:07 PM
The thought of this guy ending up in Boston is enough to keep me awake at night.
 
2010-07-20 04:04:11 PM
I was going to submit this with some joke about John Kruk thinking Fielder's weight is okay, but I'm lazy and not very clever so I didn't.
 
2010-07-20 04:10:21 PM
That tub of goo definitely needs to be on the Junior Circuit.
 
2010-07-20 04:21:15 PM
ihatedumbpeople: Looks like mods pulled down both Jennie Finch articles for being duplicates of one another....awesome!

Prince Fielder can hit the ball farther and also has bigger knockers.
 
2010-07-20 04:30:42 PM
Lundah: homarjr: The guy I feel worst for is Braun. He's already having an off year (by his standards). Losing Fielder won't help anything.

He made the All-Star starting lineup and got signed to a healthy long-term deal. Sure he's not having his best year, but all in all, he doesn't have much to complain about. The farm system has produced some solid hitting for several years now and still has good prospects in the pipeline, they can afford to give up Hart or Fielder for a good arm.


He's on my non-keeper fantasy team this year, so, I'm a little biased.
 
2010-07-20 04:58:27 PM
Somehow I'm not seeing another left-handed bat being that high up on the Rangers' priority list. I'm a little tired of seeing prospects stream out of the Rangers' system for rental bats when they already have one of the top offenses in baseball. Get a lefty reliever or another starter so they can send Failedman to the bullpen.
 
2010-07-20 05:03:31 PM
Zombie Hitler: The thought of this guy ending up in Boston is enough to keep me awake at night.

the team's insurance policy would never cover both him and Papi on the same plane
 
2010-07-20 05:11:46 PM
milad32: Minarets: To clarify, I'd be thrilled if we get Prince, at the right price. We really need to keep Scheppers, Perez, & Holland. I'm curious as to why you think we won't resign Elvis, Neftali, & Cruz though.

I agree with you on keeping Scheppers, Perez, and Holland, but you have to give something up to get something. I just think this is the perfect storm, this is the year to make the push.

I'm not saying we won't resign them for sure, but that is 3 all-stars making $400k this year who will be looking to get paid next year. Can we afford to keep them all? What about Vlad and Josh? Do we want to keep them too? It would be amazing to sign all those guys to long-term deals, but the fact of the matter is we probably can't afford to pay them all what they deserve.

Unless, of course, if Mark Cuban joins in on the Greenberg/Nolan Ryan Party ;)


i'm not sure you understand how baseball contracts work.

Andrus and Feliz both are still not eligible for arbitration. Therefore, they will get a minimal bump in salary, not much, maybe an extra $30k total. Cruz, I believe, is arbitration eligible. He will not be a free agent. He may get a bump of about 10%. Those three will be resigned and it will not break the bank at all.

Hamilton is also still arbitration elgible, but his situation is a little screwy due to his path to the majors.

Vlad has a mutual option for '11 for $9M. I don't see him saying no to that, the Rangers may decline it though.

The Rangers can easily keep all those guys and not be hurt too much. Also, about $7m comes off the books for Millwood, Catalanotto, and Padilla.
 
2010-07-20 05:19:18 PM
DeWayne Mann: The Brewers want pitching.

I wonder if the Reds would do a three way trade. Reds don't need 1B, but Brewers need pitching. The Reds could use a Gant/Mitchell type of offensive spur who doesn't hinder in the outfield. Maybe a replacement for Bruce or a CF type with some pop.
 
2010-07-20 05:25:49 PM
filth: RodneyToady: Who would the Brewers get in return for Fielder from the Rangers?

That is the key question. It sure as hell won't be money


Yup, that's the Brewers for ya. I grew up in Milwaukee so I'm stuck being a fan knowing Milwaukee is pretty much just the farm team for the rest of the MLB. Once any of our players gets any good we can't afford them anymore so we trade them for a bunch of prospects and hope to luck out with one of them.
 
2010-07-20 05:28:08 PM
lennavan: filth: RodneyToady: Who would the Brewers get in return for Fielder from the Rangers?

That is the key question. It sure as hell won't be money

Yup, that's the Brewers for ya. I grew up in Milwaukee so I'm stuck being a fan knowing Milwaukee is pretty much just the farm team for the rest of the MLB. Once any of our players gets any good we can't afford them anymore so we trade them for a bunch of prospects and hope to luck out with one of them.


Well, they would be dealing with the Rangers, who farm so many players out that some people call them the rAAAngers.
 
2010-07-20 05:38:17 PM
How would the Rangers be able to afford his contract? I thought they had all sorts of financial issues right now.
 
2010-07-20 05:44:32 PM
Come to the White Sox, Fielder. I know you can hear me when I post this to FARK.
 
2010-07-20 05:55:24 PM
Hyaku-Shiki: Come to the White Sox, Fielder. I know you can hear me when I post this to FARK.

Black is a slimming color.
 
2010-07-20 06:06:22 PM
Chris Davis is a decent 1st baseman but he was 0-7 last night and stranded something like 8 or 9 runners on base. That's not acceptable. We need a better bat.

That said I really hope we're not looking at Fielder. Sure he's a great bat but he doesn't have the defense. He's also a Scott Boris client which means he's going to get shopped around next year. So you take on all that salary for someone that doesn't really give you everything you need. Would I love another guy hitting .300 and a bunch of home-runs? Sure but we have lots of that. Someone who's great on defense, can hit .250, and bring home runners with singles all for less money is far more valuable right now.
 
2010-07-20 06:06:33 PM
bacongood:i'm not sure you understand how baseball contracts work.

Ok, I apologize for spreading wrong information earlier and thanks for explaining a little bit. I tried looking up info on their salaries and all I can find is simple player pages saying "Contract: 1 year $418,000" with no note of arbitration or anything.
 
2010-07-20 06:17:52 PM
milad32: bacongood:i'm not sure you understand how baseball contracts work.

Ok, I apologize for spreading wrong information earlier and thanks for explaining a little bit. I tried looking up info on their salaries and all I can find is simple player pages saying "Contract: 1 year $418,000" with no note of arbitration or anything.


All players with between 3 & 6 years of service time are arbitration eligible. Only a small fraction of players with between 2 & 3 years are arb-eligible. All other players with less than 3 are subject to the whims of the team. Note that a year is defined as 172 days on the major league roster. Cot's has service time listed for players (as of the beginning of this season).
 
2010-07-20 06:25:12 PM
Id like to see him on the rays but only if they take Pat Burrell.

Also, The indians will give you travis hafner and some beans. Sounds like a good trade.

In all seriousness, I could see the indians saying "take hafner and we'll give you our relievers with expiring contracts and toss in an austin kearns"

That actually makes sense though, so dont count on it happening.
 
2010-07-20 06:25:50 PM
DeWayne Mann: All players with between 3 & 6 years of service time are arbitration eligible. Only a small fraction of players with between 2 & 3 years are arb-eligible. All other players with less than 3 are subject to the whims of the team. Note that a year is defined as 172 days on the major league roster. Cot's has service time listed for players (as of the beginning of this season).

Beautiful, thanks for clearing that up.

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2010-07-20 06:27:05 PM
milad32: DeWayne Mann: All players with between 3 & 6 years of service time are arbitration eligible. Only a small fraction of players with between 2 & 3 years are arb-eligible. All other players with less than 3 are subject to the whims of the team. Note that a year is defined as 172 days on the major league roster. Cot's has service time listed for players (as of the beginning of this season).

Beautiful, thanks for clearing that up.


No problem. You might also want to click on "Transaction Glossary" at Cots, which explains pretty much everything very in-depth.
 
2010-07-20 06:36:08 PM
JOHN MCENROE MY CHILDHOOD NEMESIS: Id like to see him on the rays but only if they take Pat Burrell.

Also, The indians will give you travis hafner and some beans. Sounds like a good trade.

In all seriousness, I could see the indians saying "take hafner and we'll give you our relievers with expiring contracts and toss in an austin kearns"

That actually makes sense though, so dont count on it happening.


Because the Indians need to spend more money on a 70-win ballclub?
 
2010-07-20 06:36:21 PM
DeWayne Mann: milad32: DeWayne Mann: All players with between 3 & 6 years of service time are arbitration eligible. Only a small fraction of players with between 2 & 3 years are arb-eligible. All other players with less than 3 are subject to the whims of the team. Note that a year is defined as 172 days on the major league roster. Cot's has service time listed for players (as of the beginning of this season).

Beautiful, thanks for clearing that up.

No problem. You might also want to click on "Transaction Glossary" at Cots, which explains pretty much everything very in-depth.


One question about the site, is the data on the agents just incomplete or do that many Rangers not have representation?
 
2010-07-20 06:38:41 PM
JOHN MCENROE MY CHILDHOOD NEMESIS: Id like to see him on the rays but only if they take Pat Burrell.

Uh, the Rays released Burrell two months ago. He's gone on to hit .283/.374/.465, 5HR for the Giants.
 
2010-07-20 06:40:06 PM
Young Rory Calhoun: One question about the site, is the data on the agents just incomplete or do that many Rangers not have representation?

Incomplete. Baseball-reference.com suffers from the same problem (in fact, I think B-r mostly just uses Cot's for their agent data.)
 
2010-07-20 06:47:46 PM
cfreak:
That said I really hope we're not looking at Fielder. Sure he's a great bat but he doesn't have the defense. He's also a Scott Boris client which means he's going to get shopped around next year. So you take on all that salary for someone that doesn't really give you everything you need. Would I love another guy hitting .300 and a bunch of home-runs? Sure but we have lots of that. Someone who's great on defense, can hit .250, and bring home runners with singles all for less money is far more valuable right now.


It's firstbase... you don't need to really worry about defense. Fielder is more than adequate at defense. There is a reason there are no 1B hitting .250 who keep their jobs for long.

A .300 hitter with power is always more valuable than a .250 singles hitter. A .250 hitter just won't bring in the runs, unless you expect him to sync up the quarter of at-bats he gets a hit with those at-bats with RISP... It just makes no sense.
 
2010-07-20 06:55:16 PM
bacongood: It's firstbase... you don't need to really worry about defense. Fielder is more than adequate at defense. There is a reason there are no 1B hitting .250 who keep their jobs for long.

A .300 hitter with power is always more valuable than a .250 singles hitter. A .250 hitter just won't bring in the runs, unless you expect him to sync up the quarter of at-bats he gets a hit with those at-bats with RISP... It just makes no sense.


To follow up, let's compare Prince Fielder & a .250 hitting first baseman who plays excellent defense: Casey Kotchman. Using fangraph's version of WAR, which takes defense into account, Prince Fielder has been worth 19 WAR since 2005. Kotchman has been worth 5.1. This season, Fielder has been worth 2.8. Kotchman has been worth -.1.

I know who I'd rather have!
 
2010-07-20 06:59:45 PM
DeWayne Mann: bacongood: It's firstbase... you don't need to really worry about defense. Fielder is more than adequate at defense. There is a reason there are no 1B hitting .250 who keep their jobs for long.

A .300 hitter with power is always more valuable than a .250 singles hitter. A .250 hitter just won't bring in the runs, unless you expect him to sync up the quarter of at-bats he gets a hit with those at-bats with RISP... It just makes no sense.

To follow up, let's compare Prince Fielder & a .250 hitting first baseman who plays excellent defense: Casey Kotchman. Using fangraph's version of WAR, which takes defense into account, Prince Fielder has been worth 19 WAR since 2005. Kotchman has been worth 5.1. This season, Fielder has been worth 2.8. Kotchman has been worth -.1.

I know who I'd rather have!


I know I hope the Cubs target him when he becomes a FA. The Chicago Diner is vegan and only a couple blocks from the park.
 
2010-07-20 07:04:00 PM
does anyone else have mlb radio?
my question is what radio options they have for tonite's angel-yank game?
i just have the yankees, not klaa
 
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